Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification

[Saffron_sam20]

Yeah, stuff like that is a no brainer. Same for clamping down on dissent and being more punitive about tactical fouling. However, that's all largely run of the mill stuff that you might see year to year at Congress. What is much more interesting/potentially impactful is what the FRC are calling the 7 Core Enhancements, where, to my mind anyway, they're really actively trying to change gameplay to, as they see it, improve the spectacle.

1) 1v1 throw ins - don't think this is the issue it's made out to be

2) Kickouts - as above

3) Goalkeeper backpass

4) 2 point arc and scoring system

5) 3v3 structure

6) Solo and go

7 Advanced mark. I'd prefer they simply got rid of it altogether. Don't like fact that there's essentially unlimited advantage at the referee's discretion and that reward for executing a skill is so heavily weighted towards attacking players.

You're 100% right, the small things are easy, but these 7 core changes are radical and really will change the game and not really for the better.



1) 1v1 throw ins - i have literally never heard anyone complain about this and i mean ever, just change for change sake. It's something that happens twice in a game.

2) Kickouts - this one annoys me when i think about other sports. All other team games when conceding a score you get the ball and get to reset as you see fit. We are telling a team they then have to play ball out and make it contested, that's mental to me, it'll be great for the spectacle when smaller counties are constantly firing long kickouts after conceding goals and not getting a chance to get hands on the ball and settle.

3) Goalkeeper backpass - its something that has crept into the game, might just stop some keepers coming out then fair enough, id be more inclined to stop keepers coming up to take frees to waste a load of time

4) 2 point arc and scoring system- in Antrim at some levels were lucky to have sidelines marked for some games lol. But more importantly again favours bigger counties, wont stop a blanket defence its just going to change where they engage. But 4pts for a goal 100% favours bigger teams, will widen scores rather than close them.

5) 3v3 structure- think it be hard to police in club, hate anything that changes the game from club to county

6) Solo and go- very much in favour as it nullifies the tactical drag backs as players break outta defence

7 Advanced mark.- basically giving a massive advantage to forwards, you catch a ball clean you've basically a score, ruins the art of 1 on 1 defending

[AustinPowers]

Must say I like the bit of argybargy for the 4 man throw in, about the only time a bit of physicality is still allowed.

Instead of a 2 v 2  throw in argybargy, the second midfielder will drop back to his 50 yard line , where  he'll help his CHB wrestle  with the  opposition's CHF. Same on the  other 50.

So it's just  moving the problem. I say problem, a bit of pushing and shoving at the throw in  hardly the worst thing  in the game.

It  just  sounds like new rules  for new rules sake

[tiempo]

Must say I like the bit of argybargy for the 4 man throw in, about the only time a bit of physicality is still allowed.

Tyrone did a video session with their midfielders a couple of years ago on the throw in, based on analysis of the ref in question, their technique and how high the ball usually went.

The game is fvcking couped lads.

[Cavan19]

Must say I like the bit of argybargy for the 4 man throw in, about the only time a bit of physicality is still allowed.

Instead of a 2 v 2  throw in argybargy, the second midfielder will drop back to his 50 yard line , where  he'll help his CHB wrestle  with the  opposition's CHF. Same on the  other 50.

So it's just  moving the problem. I say prob, a bit of pushing and shoving at the throw in  hardly the worst thing  in the game.

It  just  sounds like new rules  for new rules sake

The 2nd midfielders actually start the game off the field at either side of the pitch strangely enough.

[AustinPowers]

Must say I like the bit of argybargy for the 4 man throw in, about the only time a bit of physicality is still allowed.

Instead of a 2 v 2  throw in argybargy, the second midfielder will drop back to his 50 yard line , where  he'll help his CHB wrestle  with the  opposition's CHF. Same on the  other 50.

So it's just  moving the problem. I say prob, a bit of pushing and shoving at the throw in  hardly the worst thing  in the game.

It  just  sounds like new rules  for new rules sake

The 2nd midfielders actually start the game off the field at either side of the pitch strangely enough.

Ah ffs. This just  gets worse

These FRC boys needs chasing

[GTP]

The 1 v 1 throw in may be one of the sacrificial lambs in this set of rule changes - oh we looked at some changes and dropped them but here is a bunch we are keeping. No one seems to have thought it was broken so why fix it and with something that appears totally artificial with one player on each side not being involved in the game at all.
If they looked at the throw up during the match that might be useful – 4 in for it with the rest clearing the area might make it cleaner. The current two standing in the middle of a bunch of players does not represent a good way of re-starting the game.

[gallsman]

In fairness, if you don't even bother your hoop reading the proposals, you can't really whine about them.

Not that this should be the be all and end all, but in terms of the 40m arc and the 3v3 I'd be worried not just about the ability to police it, but the potential for uproar when someone gets it wrong. Rian O'Neill might kick a two point score in the final seconds to steal an all Ireland, but replays afterwards show his big toe was on the line! Things like that will lead to video replay down the line.

[AustinPowers]

This 3 players up  top is nonsense.

Let's say the ball is hoofed out of defence , and a forward  runs towards the ball , but stops  at the 50 yard line like he's   reached the edge of a cliff, and can't go any further because that would mean only two players are  within the  50

How are officials supposed to police that? And how are players supposed to suppress their natural  instincts  to go for a ball, then stop  going for the  ball?

[RedHand88]

This 3 players up  top is nonsense.

Let's say the ball is hoofed out of defence , and a forward  runs towards the ball , but stops  at the 50 yard line like he's   reached the edge of a cliff, and can't go any further because that would mean only two players are  within the  50

How are officials supposed to police that? And how are players supposed to suppress their natural  instincts  to go for a ball, then stop  going for the  ball?

Same way they stop for the sideline, end line etc etc??

[RedHand88]

All in all I like the sound of them. I wasn't planning to watch the provincial matches but likely will now out of curiosity. The solo and go and 2 points outside 40m I really like.

[The Trap]

They are really going to try and get these through so when watching these trial games think of how they would impact all games, positively and negatively.

Remember these games are between the best players, with the best officials, in the best stadium in a non competitive game.

How will they work in the vast majority of games that take place?

For me some are workable and some aren't but I will watch and listen with an open mind.

They need to look at the competition structures just as much. There is no point in division 1 teams meeting division 4, even division 3 teams. The only hope those teams have is to keep it tight. These rules would see teams being obliterated.

[Rossfan]

Some if not all the changes


One v one throw-in commencing each half.
Kick-outs to be allowed to be taken before all players are outside the 20-metre line.
The kick-out must travel beyond the new 40m arc.
In his own half, a goalkeeper can only receive the ball from a team-mate inside the large rectangle. In the opponents' half, they can receive it freely.
Each team must keep three outfield players in each half at all times.
The advanced mark to be reduced to a ball caught cleanly by an attacker or defender inside the 20m line from a kick from inside the 45m. The ball may be played immediately unless the referee deems no advantage has occurred.
Two points awarded for a kick from on or outside the 40m arc that splits the post.
The value of a goal to increase from three to four points.
A 50m penalty for a tactical foul delaying or interfering a free or sideline kick.
A player who commits a foul must hand the ball to a member of the other team in "a prompt and respectful manner";
The "solo and go" option for a player who is awarded a free. A team-mate of the fouled player may take it. A "solo and go" can only be taken within the 20m lines.
An attacking player to be able to enter the small rectangle (square) as soon as a free-kick is taken.
Holding up a player, either in possession of the ball is not, becomes a black card offence.
Head-on-head, shoulder-on-head and elbow-on-head all to become red card offences.
Contributing to a melee, a black card offence, is considered anything but a third or more player not removing a team-mate away from the incident.
Advantage rule's five-second time limit to be removed. Advantage will be applied at the referee's discretion.
A 50m penalty for showing dissent at a referee's decision.
At all levels up to U18, a black card for showing dissent at a referee's decision.
Stop clock/hooter, operated by fifth official on direction on referee, to be applied to games. The end of each half will be confirmed with the blow of the hooter with some exceptions.
Linesmen (line umpires) to be allowed to bring any foul play immediately to the attention of the referee.
Only captains or nominated deputies to be permitted to seek clarification about decisions taken by referees.

[J70]

In fairness, if you don't even bother your hoop reading the proposals, you can't really whine about them.

Not that this should be the be all and end all, but in terms of the 40m arc and the 3v3 I'd be worried not just about the ability to police it, but the potential for uproar when someone gets it wrong. Rian O'Neill might kick a two point score in the final seconds to steal an all Ireland, but replays afterwards show his big toe was on the line! Things like that will lead to video replay down the line.

Yep. Or he was a half inch outside the line, but the ref disallowed it.

Cue the wailing:

"But the ref shouldn't call it unless he's absolutely sure!!"

He gets one look. In real time. He has to call it either way. Right, wrong, false positive, false negative.

This will be a nightmare. I pity the poor refs given the ridiculous abuse they already get.

[Rossfan]

We'll need 2 "arc umpires" and 2 "count the players" umpires giving us 11 match officials per game... 

[tiempo]

Anything to be said for 20:20 vision?