Tyrone County Football and Hurling

[square_ball]

I hope so and the fact Tyrone have beaten them in recent history should also provide the drive to improve. Tho they have raised it a level this year with all their squad available. The conditioning, tactics and the belief they have is vastly ahead of Tyrone at the moment

Hats off to Armagh fully deserving of their All Ireland win. No one can convince me that Armagh man for man have significantly better players than us but the 3 things you mention above are true. I guess with no news about management moving on at this stage they are staying on for at least another year. Here's hoping Armaghs win will give everyone a kick up the backside. . .

[tyroneman]

I hope so and the fact Tyrone have beaten them in recent history should also provide the drive to improve. Tho they have raised it a level this year with all their squad available. The conditioning, tactics and the belief they have is vastly ahead of Tyrone at the moment

Hats off to Armagh fully deserving of their All Ireland win. No one can convince me that Armagh man for man have significantly better players than us but the 3 things you mention above are true. I guess with no news about management moving on at this stage they are staying on for at least another year. Here's hoping Armaghs win will give everyone a kick up the backside. . .

Hopefully...but unfortunately a change in S&C and tactics (and the associated increase in belief that would hopefully bring)  take time to embed and get to the point where you are challenging for AIs.

Tyrone seem to have been be folloing the law of diminishing returns by keeping L&D in the job, culminating in that embarrasing first half against Roscommon.

The current players are every bit as good as what Armagh, Galway etc have and there is a a conveyor of talent waiting to be brought through.

[Truthsayer]

This didn't come overnight for Armagh... far from it. Two years ago beat on penalties by Galway in an AI quarter-final and a few Ulster finals same. Tyrone have lost so many players since '21 and a raft of championship debuts this year. Seems to be very spiritless though and id like to see Malachy O'Rourke in with his coach yer man Porter. Mightnt deliver Sam in a year but will take them forward as it's been awful this year.

[scout]

It's not just been this year that's been awful. Made 1 QF since winning the AI and it was a trouncing by Kerry.

[tyrone08]

I suspect the county board are happy to keep Dooher and co. They arent getting paid for it and tyrones county board seem to be miserable gits when it comes to money. Was only a few years ago they tried getting the tyrone players to pay for equipment.

[Christmas Lights]

Would Devlin not be a good addition back in the the management team?

Yep, get him and Mickey back in ASAP

[tyrone08]

I suspect the county board are happy to keep Dooher and co. They arent getting paid for it and tyrones county board seem to be miserable gits when it comes to money. Was only a few years ago they tried getting the tyrone players to pay for equipment.

Not sure that stands up to scrutiny. Outside of Dublin and Kerry, have delivered the most All Ireland senior titles in the last 30 years. Very good underage record too. How many outside managers have won Sam Maguires? Two maybe...
And I'm sure Michael McShane wasn't taking Tyrone hurlers for the good of his health.
Look at that sh*t show in Derry and all the money they splashed out...
Is plenty good men here..
Who would you suggest we entice with money?

I could be wrong. But I remember a few players complaining 5-6 years ago about the county board and their unwillingness to pay fuel expenses on time and trying to get players to buy their own foam rollers wtc. Why else would they keep on dooher given that 2022,2023 and 2024 have been horror shows from a tyrone point of view.

https://m.sundayworld.com/sport/gaa/how-gaa-counties-managed-cost-of-covid/40001516.html

Would like to see some combination of peter donnelly, Steve oneill, paddy tally in backroom team at least

[sam03/05]

One thing the Armagh win shows is how listening to supporters calling for managers to get sacked doesn't really work out too well . McGeeney stuck it out despite all the drama from so called experts for him to go, was same in Kildare and look how they have gone since he went.
Maybe Dooher / Logan should do the same, at the end of the day they won an AI and it's been a rebuild job in the last couple of years, 13 players made their championship debut this year - not many teams can say that in Ireland.
Maybe Dooher should ignore all the critics and stick to his path, despite all the criticism he's a man that has been involved in every single Tyrone AI win at senior level, one as player, two as captain, one as manager, but armchair supporters know more.

[TyroneOnlooker]

I suspect the county board are happy to keep Dooher and co. They arent getting paid for it and tyrones county board seem to be miserable gits when it comes to money. Was only a few years ago they tried getting the tyrone players to pay for equipment.

Not sure that stands up to scrutiny. Outside of Dublin and Kerry, have delivered the most All Ireland senior titles in the last 30 years. Very good underage record too. How many outside managers have won Sam Maguires? Two maybe...
And I'm sure Michael McShane wasn't taking Tyrone hurlers for the good of his health.
Look at that sh*t show in Derry and all the money they splashed out...
Is plenty good men here..
Who would you suggest we entice with money?

I could be wrong. But I remember a few players complaining 5-6 years ago about the county board and their unwillingness to pay fuel expenses on time and trying to get players to buy their own foam rollers wtc. Why else would they keep on dooher given that 2022,2023 and 2024 have been horror shows from a tyrone point of view.

https://m.sundayworld.com/sport/gaa/how-gaa-counties-managed-cost-of-covid/40001516.html

Would like to see some combination of peter donnelly, Steve oneill, paddy tally in backroom team at least

Think hoping for Peter Donnelly to get back involved is wishful thinking. He's working for IRFU involved in the Ireland 7s team, was at olympics last week and wherever else in the world the 7s play. I would agree that fitness/S&C appears to have deteriorated since he left the set up.

[tyrone08]

One thing the Armagh win shows is how listening to supporters calling for managers to get sacked doesn't really work out too well . McGeeney stuck it out despite all the drama from so called experts for him to go, was same in Kildare and look how they have gone since he went.
Maybe Dooher / Logan should do the same, at the end of the day they won an AI and it's been a rebuild job in the last couple of years, 13 players made their championship debut this year - not many teams can say that in Ireland.
Maybe Dooher should ignore all the critics and stick to his path, despite all the criticism he's a man that has been involved in every single Tyrone AI win at senior level, one as player, two as captain, one as manager, but armchair supporters know more.

Going by that we should not have let mickey go.

Reality is that over the last 3 years armagh have improved and were only beaten each time in very tight games.

Tyrone have been well beaten evey year since 2021. Resulting in the worst tyrone performance i have seen in a long time against roscommon.

When you have Cavanagh and McCurry in your team you should be hitting quick counter attacks, not this slow passing back and forth on the 45.

[trueblue1234]

One thing the Armagh win shows is how listening to supporters calling for managers to get sacked doesn't really work out too well . McGeeney stuck it out despite all the drama from so called experts for him to go, was same in Kildare and look how they have gone since he went.
Maybe Dooher / Logan should do the same, at the end of the day they won an AI and it's been a rebuild job in the last couple of years, 13 players made their championship debut this year - not many teams can say that in Ireland.
Maybe Dooher should ignore all the critics and stick to his path, despite all the criticism he's a man that has been involved in every single Tyrone AI win at senior level, one as player, two as captain, one as manager, but armchair supporters know more.

Going by that we should not have let mickey go.

Reality is that over the last 3 years armagh have improved and were only beaten each time in very tight games.

Tyrone have been well beaten evey year since 2021. Resulting in the worst tyrone performance i have seen in a long time against roscommon.

When you have Cavanagh and McCurry in your team you should be hitting quick counter attacks, not this slow passing back and forth on the 45.

Couldn't agree more. It was a painful watch. And not only that, we looked like we had no plan A, let alone a plan b or c. Our play has slowly disintegrated over the lack 3 years. And with potentially a decent set of players now. Certainly a team that could compete with that Armagh squad.

[NotedObserver]

Have many heard people backing Dooher? anyone I spoke to will want a change. I'd love Dooher and Logan to get it going again but massive changes required

[tiempo]

Have many heard people backing Dooher? anyone I spoke to will want a change. I'd love Dooher and Logan to get it going again but massive changes required

Would like to see a coaching ticket with a sole focus on the county senior team and not double-triple jobbing in clubs and colleges too, that would surely claw a few % back in freshness and focus among mgmt

[God14]

Have many heard people backing Dooher? anyone I spoke to will want a change. I'd love Dooher and Logan to get it going again but massive changes required

Would like to see a coaching ticket with a sole focus on the county senior team and not double-triple jobbing in clubs and colleges too, that would surely claw a few % back in freshness and focus among mgmt

That was last year's ultimatum, and to be fair Holmes and McMahon stepped back from club commitments

[time ticking away]

Was the Edendork manager Conleth Gilligan part of the Armagh coaching set up ?