Tyrone County Football and Hurling

[LeoMc]

Dooher and Logan will go down as legends in Tyrone as players and for winning Sam as managers in 2021. But there's no doubt about it they just aren't good enough for Tyrone.I know from talking to some county players over the last few years (keeping their names confidential) have all said dooher in particular was hard to work with. One of the best coaches in Ireland (paddy Tally) is getting paid big bucks to coach Kerry. Surely Tyrone should be bringing him in. I remember in mugsy's book he mentioned how important paddy was in 2003. And if we can get a manager, whether it's paul devlin or go for the likes of oroarke. The talent is there in Tyrone but it's just getting the right men to make it work.

You are no Joe Brolly.

[NotedObserver]

A mess of a season. The injuries at start of year were ridiculous and surely they should have reached out and got some experience in. The injuries continued had an impact but no sign of real improvement throughout year.

Jury's out on a lot of players if they are upto the level. Some players playing yesterday miles off top level inter county. Some are young and can improve if they work hard but others have lost the quality and not sure some really had it. Massive work required

[square_ball]

The most alarming thing yesterday was after 11 minutes, Roscommon had a turnover and Aaron Kernan made a point of saying how many Tyrone defenders were jogging or in no panic at all to get back and defend.

For what it's worth I thought McElholm done well when he came on. O'Hare should have also been given longer rather than come on after 64 minutes.

[Truthsayer]

Dooher reminds me of Roy Keane in a way. A fantastic player who set, and demanded, very high standards.

Maybe as a coach/manager, he has them high standards but the players aren't at that level. Maybe that's unfair?

Logan I though would bring a calmness and logical thinking to the group and that the two would work well together.

In regards to their AI win a few years ago, great as it was etc. it's not regarded as a 'proper' AI win. So the management don't get the full credit for that win. It'll always be held against them.  Performances/wins since that seem to justify that analysis.

The thing is, Tyrone as a huge nationalist county, will always have the players an will always be in the running for Ulster minor, U20 and senior championships.  They'll always have the talent coming through to senior level.

One player who I admire hugely is Mattie Donnelly. A legend to Trillick and Tyrone football. Serious injuries and to still come back, year after year, just shows the drive in the man. A serious operator and a great leader. 

 

Who made the decision it wasn't a proper All Ireland win? Is a line used by begrudgers usually from Derry and Kerry. I was at that final, I can assure you it was very real and proper. 43,000 people there a fantastic occasion and a great game. The homecoming too was fantastic. Strangly when Dublin won the All Ireland the previous year to complete an unprecedented 6-in-a-row in an empty stadium at Christmas time no-one suggests it wasn't proper or Limerick hurlers in the same circumstances. Was Dromores county title in 2021 'not proper' either.
Don't be a begrudger.

[Easttyrone23]

Dooher reminds me of Roy Keane in a way. A fantastic player who set, and demanded, very high standards.

Maybe as a coach/manager, he has them high standards but the players aren't at that level. Maybe that's unfair?

Logan I though would bring a calmness and logical thinking to the group and that the two would work well together.

In regards to their AI win a few years ago, great as it was etc. it's not regarded as a 'proper' AI win. So the management don't get the full credit for that win. It'll always be held against them.  Performances/wins since that seem to justify that analysis.

The thing is, Tyrone as a huge nationalist county, will always have the players an will always be in the running for Ulster minor, U20 and senior championships.  They'll always have the talent coming through to senior level.

One player who I admire hugely is Mattie Donnelly. A legend to Trillick and Tyrone football. Serious injuries and to still come back, year after year, just shows the drive in the man. A serious operator and a great leader. 

 

30 of the 32 counties in Ireland are majority nationalist so that's a very strange take. I'm assuming by your comment on Tyrone's last all Ireland you aren't a Tyrone man. That's what I love most about being from Tyrone, whether we win or lose we are still in the heads of our beloved neighbours. As bad as Tyrone have been this season they will still win an all Ireland before any other Ulster county, and they all know it which drives them mad.

[easty88]

was excited for the journey to Omagh and couldn't believe what I was watching. Serious changes needed in Tyrone at all levels. Logan and Dooher are long past their sell by date and should do the right thing and step aside. They wouldn't even cut it at top club level. Have they even managed at club level? We are miles off the big teams in terms of structure. It's become embarrassing.

Do we have 4 or 5 candidates who first of all 'want' to manage us and secondly then are 'capable' of the job with some kind of track record. We need to be approaching the right people and then making it a competitive process so we get the right men to take us forward. Surely it's an honour to work at this level?

[cjx]

What about Tally coach McGinley manager and get a better strength and conditioning setup?

[RedHand88]

Left a potential semi final behind us this year.

Fantastic.

[tiempo]

Left a potential semi final behind us this year.

Fantastic.

Tyrone got a true read on their position at the weekend, ranked somewhere in the top 8-12, definitely not top 4 and as you are alluding to a kind draw would have been required to reach the semi final

Might as well be out given the malaise it became, better to reset from Omagh than a complete wipeout in Croke against Dublin or Kerry

At the end of the day staying in D1 with so many young lads brought through was an achievement of sorts

Injuries were a killer all year

The players will benefit from 6 months away and can come back refreshed, possibly under new management

Would favour Malachy O'Rourke with Paddy Tally ticket personally but if Brian gets another year thats OK too

[MC]

The most alarming thing yesterday was after 11 minutes, Roscommon had a turnover and Aaron Kernan made a point of saying how many Tyrone defenders were jogging or in no panic at all to get back and defend.

For what it's worth I thought McElholm done well when he came on. O'Hare should have also been given longer rather than come on after 64 minutes.

That, and with 11 minutes left and a 1-point game Tyrone couldn't find another score in a knockout game.
Management could point to number of wides and missed opportunities over the course of the game - but when a team is less than rather than more than the sum of its parts it says something amiss - whether that's management or elsewhere.
I think the management have often been slow to react on the sideline to what is happening on the pitch - Tyrone didn't need to wait and go in 6 points down at half time before seeing a reaction.
That said, what was the expectation for Tyrone this year - particularly with a few injuries to key players?

[Quarterbackk]

What about Tally coach McGinley manager and get a better strength and conditioning setup?

Enda Mc Ginley  - You having a laugh

[Truthsayer]

They're as well out of the competition, go again next year. I hope Brian and Feargal step away. They've give great service to Tyrone as players and managers winning a couple All Irelands along the way. Harte tried to take ownership of Tyrone football forever till he had to be pushed. Hard to leave the stage.
O'Rourke the target with his own man Porter. Has a great record. Still bit to go I'd say in the rebuild with new blood. Petie and Mattie could go too, albeit Mattie was very good this year but the years are there.

[bogball88]

O'Rourke
Tally
Paul Devlin
McGinley
Jody Gormley
Ricey

Is that the extent of who would possibly be available/elegible?

[NotedObserver]

Jody Gormley seemed to have Trillick well set up last year with a tight gameplan. Though with the nature of the Tyrone championship things could be v different this year.

[An Watcher]

Did someone say if Brian stays on then that's OK?  Please god no.  I dontcwant two more years of this.

As for a potential new manager, I'd love to see Malachy O'Rourke but understand this could be difficult with his Glen involvement.
Paddy Tally would be a great appointment but maybe with someone else  eg Canavan although not sure he'd be interested with his sons playing