Antrim Football Thread

[whatwillbwillb]

What has happened to the major investment that we went into Gealfast ? What have been the Outcomes to date, any reports, stats, progress to date etc available and made public to the Clubs. Surely Questions need to asked?

[Níl a fhios agam]

Have to agree with Marty34, them 3 clubs he just mentioned are leading the way in terms of culture. Casements model though i wouldnt be a fan of. over the years they have taken players not wanted by their clubs and put them in ahead of their own breed. And to be frank, its never worked for them. Maybe Lynn and Co. can change that now, but theres alot to be said for a club who brings through their youth and achieves success

[Milltown Row2]

What has happened to the major investment that we went into Gealfast ? What have been the Outcomes to date, any reports, stats, progress to date etc available and made public to the Clubs. Surely Questions need to asked?

How much of a major investment was given and what were your expectations?

[Caesar]

Have to agree with Marty34, them 3 clubs he just mentioned are leading the way in terms of culture. Casements model though i wouldnt be a fan of. over the years they have taken players not wanted by their clubs and put them in ahead of their own breed. And to be frank, its never worked for them. Maybe Lynn and Co. can change that now, but theres alot to be said for a club who brings through their youth and achieves success

Every club in the county have accepted a few blow-ins over the years. I highly doubt it's part of any club's planned development model.

[Caesar]

What has happened to the major investment that we went into Gealfast ? What have been the Outcomes to date, any reports, stats, progress to date etc available and made public to the Clubs. Surely Questions need to asked?

How much of a major investment was given and what were your expectations?

It's a fair question to ask. All initiatives whether successful or otherwise should be open to evaluation

[NorthAntrim]

Have to agree with Marty34, them 3 clubs he just mentioned are leading the way in terms of culture. Casements model though i wouldnt be a fan of. over the years they have taken players not wanted by their clubs and put them in ahead of their own breed. And to be frank, its never worked for them. Maybe Lynn and Co. can change that now, but theres alot to be said for a club who brings through their youth and achieves success

this is a personal reasons v casements it seems. Ive never heard before this year of casements taking these players. Every other club has also taken players so whats the problem against portglenone?? and yes even the mighty cargin have won championships with the help of 'blow ins'

[Níl a fhios agam]

100%, every club has, by default inherited people integrating into the community by way of marriage, work related transfers etc... Cargin have had joy with the transfers of 1 or 2 almost a decade ago now, as had Creggan with the exodus of TNN men a while back, and thats their business. As for Casements, i know theyve had joy going back to their last county final in aquiring the service of a few bellaghy men and have been informed they now have currently 3 men on their senior team who have played for South Derry Clubs in the last 3 years. My own club however focus more on trying to retain what we have, and thats to the detriment of success.

[Milltown Row2]

What has happened to the major investment that we went into Gealfast ? What have been the Outcomes to date, any reports, stats, progress to date etc available and made public to the Clubs. Surely Questions need to asked?

How much of a major investment was given and what were your expectations?

It's a fair question to ask. All initiatives whether successful or otherwise should be open to evaluation

I didn't disagree, I'm just asking what are your expectations for the money that was provided

[NorthAntrim]

100%, every club has, by default inherited people integrating into the community by way of marriage, work related transfers etc... Cargin have had joy with the transfers of 1 or 2 almost a decade ago now, as had Creggan with the exodus of TNN men a while back, and thats their business. As for Casements, i know theyve had joy going back to their last county final in aquiring the service of a few bellaghy men and have been informed they now have currently 3 men on their senior team who have played for South Derry Clubs in the last 3 years. My own club however focus more on trying to retain what we have, and thats to the detriment of success.

so you've squashed the cargin factor as it was 10+ years ago but mentioned portglenones last county senior final which was how long ago?

[Níl a fhios agam]

My post was regarding Portglenone as it was topic of recent discussion that other contributors posted about. I didnt quash anything, if Cargin proactively went and sought players as Portglenone have done then thats wrong, no matter when it happened Why on this discussion board does everything come back round to the Toome men. Theres more to Antrim county than the people from the Lough.

[Níl a fhios agam]

100%, every club has, by default inherited people integrating into the community by way of marriage, work related transfers etc... Cargin have had joy with the transfers of 1 or 2 almost a decade ago now, as had Creggan with the exodus of TNN men a while back, and thats their business. As for Casements, i know theyve had joy going back to their last county final in aquiring the service of a few bellaghy men and have been informed they now have currently 3 men on their senior team who have played for South Derry Clubs in the last 3 years. My own club however focus more on trying to retain what we have, and thats to the detriment of success.

Regarding Portglenones Model and

100%, every club has, by default inherited people integrating into the community by way of marriage, work related transfers etc... Cargin have had joy with the transfers of 1 or 2 almost a decade ago now, as had Creggan with the exodus of TNN men a while back, and thats their business. As for Casements, i know theyve had joy going back to their last county final in aquiring the service of a few bellaghy men and have been informed they now have currently 3 men on their senior team who have played for South Derry Clubs in the last 3 years. My own club however focus more on trying to retain what we have, and thats to the detriment of success.

so you've squashed the cargin factor as it was 10+ years ago but mentioned portglenones last county senior final which was how long ago?

Not to ignore your comment about Portglenones last finals which you reached two of in the 'Noughties', its seems like if you were to kick on and reach the Final this year, it would be History repeating itself, as the team photo would contain a number of men obtained by your south derry neighbouring clubs. Point being, is success a price worth paying if it involves shafting home grown players. If so what is it saying about your ability to develop your own players and turn that into success....

Just an observation

[NorthAntrim]

My post was regarding Portglenone as it was topic of recent discussion that other contributors posted about. I didnt quash anything, if Cargin proactively went and sought players as Portglenone have done then thats wrong, no matter when it happened Why on this discussion board does everything come back round to the Toome men. Theres more to Antrim county than the people from the Lough.

If these players have fell out with their south derry clubs as has been rumoured and have approached Portglenone to transfer then whats the problem? Do Portglenone say no thanks we'd like to try and do it with players born this side of the Bann. I would very much doubt that Portglenone secretary was phoning EL on transfer deadline day Harry Redknapp style

[Níl a fhios agam]

I would say you are right, i dont think their secretary would be at that at all, infact i heard the committee was opposed to the transfer, however JMK did approach E.L. as well as the young lad he coached at bellaghy, who played for him last year. if i was a Casements underage coach id be questioning the clubs ethos regarding development of young players at senior level.

This was common knowledge by the way...

[Caesar]

My post was regarding Portglenone as it was topic of recent discussion that other contributors posted about. I didnt quash anything, if Cargin proactively went and sought players as Portglenone have done then thats wrong, no matter when it happened Why on this discussion board does everything come back round to the Toome men. Theres more to Antrim county than the people from the Lough.

Is this actually what happened here? That's a significant allegation so please share the facts!

My understanding is that it is usually a player who approaches a club, who then decide if they can accept the player.
 
In this case, it's two local players who fell out with their home club in a different county several years ago and haven't been able to play club football in Ireland ever since. Very different scenario from the picture you are trying to paint!

[bannside]

Massive difference Caesar, but never worry about the facts, it's all about the spin. I'm not even going to try to explain defend or justify, or give this any more oxygen. Yes a player who came up through the ranks may lose out on game time, but that's life, it will still go on.