The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread - #DankeJürgen

Started by Gabriel_Hurl, February 05, 2009, 03:47:16 PM

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Hound

Yep, agreed Liverpool were super.  Plenty of weaknesses in the team, but every player gives 100% in every game.
We will not win every game, and over the course of the season, we won more games than we should have. We even had an young Irish goalkeeper scoring the winning goal in the league cup final! Amazing!

Win, lose or draw, you just can't help being happy that these lads are your team.


manfromdelmonte

Genuinely sorry for all the true decent fans who had tickets but couldn't get into stadium
Seeing fans in wheelchair stuck at security gates is disgraceful

But they can srart to blame their fellow 'supporters' who travelled to Paris with no tickets then rocked up to the ground with fake tickets and tried to scale fences and force way past security. This has happened in the past as well. 

laoislad

When you think you're fucked you're only about 40% fucked.

Milltown Row2

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 30, 2022, 07:55:25 AM
Genuinely sorry for all the true decent fans who had tickets but couldn't get into stadium
Seeing fans in wheelchair stuck at security gates is disgraceful

But they can srart to blame their fellow 'supporters' who travelled to Paris with no tickets then rocked up to the ground with fake tickets and tried to scale fences and force way past security. This has happened in the past as well.

I think that a lot of the videos I saw were local youths in the area taking advantage of the situation and getting into the ground, the problem the police did it seems was fearing what happened at the Euros final at Wembley with the England fans, maybe thinking the same was going to happen here.

Their actual planning of this was very poor it seems. Of course there was always going to be fans travelling to the game without tickets, and there will always be ones with counterfeit tickets, thankfully there was no deaths at the game, few muggings though which wouldn't be nice..

I just find it strange how the same amount of supporters would have been at the semi final games even the quarter final games and they all went off with no issues of note but this one has been run differently, and with another final run smoothly in the south of the country the same day you'd wonder how it had no issues, you'd imagine the same protocol's were used
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

imtommygunn

There are a lot of different stories doing the rounds on this. I think a few things that I can gauge - they shut gates and funneled loads of fans into smaller areas than need be, there were more layers of ticket checking by police inside and definitely there was indiscriminate tear gassing on people young and old which were out of order.

The reports of who was jumping fences were seemed mixed. Some put it as clear cut that it was Liverpool fans and some countered this showing Madrid fans. I don't think it's a clear cut Liverpool fans were wrong and I think some authorities have a lot to answer for here.

One thing I suspect is the number of fraudulent tickets were off the chart. 

Kidder81

Quote from: imtommygunn on May 30, 2022, 08:59:08 AM
There are a lot of different stories doing the rounds on this. I think a few things that I can gauge - they shut gates and funneled loads of fans into smaller areas than need be, there were more layers of ticket checking by police inside and definitely there was indiscriminate tear gassing on people young and old which were out of order.

The reports of who was jumping fences were seemed mixed. Some put it as clear cut that it was Liverpool fans and some countered this showing Madrid fans. I don't think it's a clear cut Liverpool fans were wrong and I think some authorities have a lot to answer for here.

One thing I suspect is the number of fraudulent tickets were off the chart.

I had read that it was no higher than previous finals, hard to know I suppose.

The local French youths seemed like right low lifes. Saw videos of loads of them trying to force their way in. That area around the stadium supposed to be a proper shithole. Saw a few videos (later deleted) of Liverpool fans "climbing fences" to force their way in, that turned out to be them climbing off a ramp to avoid being crushed.


quit yo jibbajabba

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 30, 2022, 07:55:25 AM
Genuinely sorry for all the true decent fans who had tickets but couldn't get into stadium
Seeing fans in wheelchair stuck at security gates is disgraceful

But they can srart to blame their fellow 'supporters' who travelled to Paris with no tickets then rocked up to the ground with fake tickets and tried to scale fences and force way past security. This has happened in the past as well.

Aint nothin genuine about you chap when it comes to Liverpool. Other than your hatred which comes out fairly regular for all to see. But sure keep chirpin about Heysel as long as it makes you happy

imtommygunn

I was reading from a dub journalist (bit Ireland match news guy)  on twitter that the police basically evacuated after and there were gangs of these youths on the streets waiting for people and it seemed more or less impossible not to get robbed. It probably depended the specific area but it doesn't sound like the French police have covered themselves in glory here.

Armamike

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 30, 2022, 07:55:25 AM
Genuinely sorry for all the true decent fans who had tickets but couldn't get into stadium
Seeing fans in wheelchair stuck at security gates is disgraceful

But they can srart to blame their fellow 'supporters' who travelled to Paris with no tickets then rocked up to the ground with fake tickets and tried to scale fences and force way past security. This has happened in the past as well.

Are you still trying to peddle this?  Get up to speed as UEFA have now come out and retracted their earlier disgraceful misinformation/lies and admitted it was the French authorities was the issue.  Any eye witness accounts and camera footage show a small number of people jump fences.  Locals by the looks of it -not one Liverpool jersey.  At every game there's a few people chancing their arm trying to get in with fake tickets. That wasn't the issue here - the organisation was chaotic and fcuk all do with people 'rocking up' with false tickets.  Access to the entry gates at the Liverpool end was blocked off for some bizarre reason, leaving 20000 supporters queuing for hours to pass through a narrow space.  Innocent supporters, families, kids, getting teargassed for no reason. By all accounts the Liverpool supporters showed amazing restraint and calm in the face of it, probably for many the horror of Hillsborough was in the back of their minds.    It now looks like the French police and organisers decided from before the match they would take a very heavy handed approach to Liverpool supporters compared to Madrid. 
That's just, like your opinion man.

Armamike

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 30, 2022, 08:54:16 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 30, 2022, 07:55:25 AM
Genuinely sorry for all the true decent fans who had tickets but couldn't get into stadium
Seeing fans in wheelchair stuck at security gates is disgraceful

But they can srart to blame their fellow 'supporters' who travelled to Paris with no tickets then rocked up to the ground with fake tickets and tried to scale fences and force way past security. This has happened in the past as well.

I think that a lot of the videos I saw were local youths in the area taking advantage of the situation and getting into the ground, the problem the police did it seems was fearing what happened at the Euros final at Wembley with the England fans, maybe thinking the same was going to happen here.

Their actual planning of this was very poor it seems. Of course there was always going to be fans travelling to the game without tickets, and there will always be ones with counterfeit tickets, thankfully there was no deaths at the game, few muggings though which wouldn't be nice..

I just find it strange how the same amount of supporters would have been at the semi final games even the quarter final games and they all went off with no issues of note but this one has been run differently, and with another final run smoothly in the south of the country the same day you'd wonder how it had no issues, you'd imagine the same protocol's were used

They were given the game fairly late on as a stand in for Petersburg but that's no excuse.  It looks like they had 2 days to prepare rather than 2 months.  One of the strangest things for me was why there was no security cordon around the stadium.  If they were really worried about ticketless fans storming the place why didn't they have the usual checks further out? Every other champions league final this is the case.  On AI final day you can't get down Jones Road without showing your ticket. It's not good enough.
That's just, like your opinion man.

laoislad

Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 30, 2022, 09:14:18 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 30, 2022, 07:55:25 AM
Genuinely sorry for all the true decent fans who had tickets but couldn't get into stadium
Seeing fans in wheelchair stuck at security gates is disgraceful

But they can srart to blame their fellow 'supporters' who travelled to Paris with no tickets then rocked up to the ground with fake tickets and tried to scale fences and force way past security. This has happened in the past as well.

Aint nothin genuine about you chap when it comes to Liverpool. Other than your hatred which comes out fairly regular for all to see. But sure keep chirpin about Heysel as long as it makes you happy
It's actually scary how common people like manfromdelmonte are. The stuff wrote on Twitter about this is just mind boggling. I know I shouldn't be surprised and should stop reading Twitter but the amount of fans that have such pure hatred is crazy. It goes above rivalry.
I saw either John Aldridge or Jason Mcateer retweet a message a head teacher from a school sent them about how just like Hillsborough what happened in Paris was Liverpool fans fault.
I get rivalry and all that and yeah slag Liverpool off for losing or whatever I don't care but do people really believe this stuff they write about Hillsborough and other things. Surely fans are aware of how media,governments,police and the likes of UEFA spin things. It's just utterly bizarre how people think. Maybe they don't believe the stuff they write are are trying to get people wound up I dunno.
When you think you're fucked you're only about 40% fucked.

Armamike

It's either plain stupidity or ignorance or a crass attempt to score cheap points.  Anyone with a brain should be worried about poor organisation at football stadia.
That's just, like your opinion man.

Armamike

Quote from: imtommygunn on May 30, 2022, 09:14:36 AM
I was reading from a dub journalist (bit Ireland match news guy)  on twitter that the police basically evacuated after and there were gangs of these youths on the streets waiting for people and it seemed more or less impossible not to get robbed. It probably depended the specific area but it doesn't sound like the French police have covered themselves in glory here.

Jim Beglin got caught up in it too - witnessed supporters getting ambushed and mugged leaving the ground by local gangs and not a cop in sight.  Liverpool supporters saying they were afraid to approach the police in any event.
That's just, like your opinion man.

NAG1

Are Liverpool fans worried about the lack of conversion in this period when they are so good?

TBF they have run up against a brilliant City side over the past number of years, but how long will Liverpool be able to keep this team together and keep their recruitment as good as it has been?