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Re: Paddy Jackson apology
« Reply #630 on: December 16, 2018, 08:03:52 PM »
The lads are making good money Iíd say now, but the ones that arenít with professional teams will be well out of pocket
PJ is playing with Perpignan who are on a long losing run
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« Reply #631 on: December 16, 2018, 08:08:32 PM »
Is it the case that if the accused had applied for legal aid then they would have nothing to pay towards their legal costs in the event of a not proven verdict?

Legal aid is means tested, so not necessarily.
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« Reply #632 on: December 16, 2018, 08:14:26 PM »
The lads are making good money Iíd say now, but the ones that arenít with professional teams will be well out of pocket
PJ is playing with Perpignan who are on a long losing run

So heís not being paid?
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Re: Paddy Jackson apology
« Reply #633 on: December 16, 2018, 08:15:27 PM »
The lads are making good money Iíd say now, but the ones that arenít with professional teams will be well out of pocket
PJ is playing with Perpignan who are on a long losing run

So heís not being paid?
He calls it expenses as well.


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Re: Paddy Jackson apology
« Reply #634 on: December 16, 2018, 09:11:44 PM »
The lads are making good money Iíd say now, but the ones that arenít with professional teams will be well out of pocket
PJ is playing with Perpignan who are on a long losing run

So heís not being paid?
He calls it expenses as well.

Wish I got his expenses
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« Reply #635 on: December 16, 2018, 09:18:37 PM »
Is it the case that if the accused had applied for legal aid then they would have nothing to pay towards their legal costs in the event of a not proven verdict?

Iím not sure I understand the question. Criminal Legal aid has two components.  A means test and a merits test. The means test has no absolute rules as to limits and well generally depend on the charge (and to some extent the judge). The merits test is then based on the Widgery criteria. Interestingly unlike civil legal aid, there is no contribution with criminal legal aid. If you receive it then Legal Aid covers all legal fees and plenty of experts fees without you paying anything. If you donít get then you have to pay for everything.

Also thereís no test if you are charged with Murder you are automatically entitled to legal aid.

Thereís no such thing as not proven in Northern Ireland.

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« Reply #636 on: December 16, 2018, 11:11:40 PM »
Is it the case that if the accused had applied for legal aid then they would have nothing to pay towards their legal costs in the event of a not proven verdict?

Iím not sure I understand the question. Criminal Legal aid has two components.  A means test and a merits test. The means test has no absolute rules as to limits and well generally depend on the charge (and to some extent the judge). The merits test is then based on the Widgery criteria. Interestingly unlike civil legal aid, there is no contribution with criminal legal aid. If you receive it then Legal Aid covers all legal fees and plenty of experts fees without you paying anything. If you donít get then you have to pay for everything.

Also thereís no test if you are charged with Murder you are automatically entitled to legal aid.

Thereís no such thing as not proven in Northern Ireland.
Unless the prosecution case falls apart totally, it's unlikely that a middle incomed citizen (over the means threshold) would get legal expenses paid for, even in the event of a not guilty verdict? That if the crown believe they have enough to prosecute, there is a minimum penalty, an imposed punishment in the form of a financial penalty that the accused has to  endure unless they prove the prosecution's case to be very weak.
There appears to be an implied % of guilt once the crown decides to prosecute.

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« Reply #637 on: Today at 02:46:01 AM »
The lads are making good money Iíd say now, but the ones that arenít with professional teams will be well out of pocket
PJ is playing with Perpignan who are on a long losing run

So heís not being paid?

Nah. They are not as good as any of the Irish provinces. All the power in France now is with the big city teams. PJ was expelled from the garden of Eden and isnít operating at the same level.

I would say that the IRFU would be happy to have him back after a suitable time has elapsed but that it might have to be under a different name because MnŠ nŠ h…ireann havenít forgiven and havenít forgotten and would love an ould Twitter mob .
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« Reply #638 on: Today at 04:49:07 AM »
Is it the case that if the accused had applied for legal aid then they would have nothing to pay towards their legal costs in the event of a not proven verdict?

Iím not sure I understand the question. Criminal Legal aid has two components.  A means test and a merits test. The means test has no absolute rules as to limits and well generally depend on the charge (and to some extent the judge). The merits test is then based on the Widgery criteria. Interestingly unlike civil legal aid, there is no contribution with criminal legal aid. If you receive it then Legal Aid covers all legal fees and plenty of experts fees without you paying anything. If you donít get then you have to pay for everything.

Also thereís no test if you are charged with Murder you are automatically entitled to legal aid.

Thereís no such thing as not proven in Northern Ireland.
Unless the prosecution case falls apart totally, it's unlikely that a middle incomed citizen (over the means threshold) would get legal expenses paid for, even in the event of a not guilty verdict? That if the crown believe they have enough to prosecute, there is a minimum penalty, an imposed punishment in the form of a financial penalty that the accused has to  endure unless they prove the prosecution's case to be very weak.
There appears to be an implied % of guilt once the crown decides to prosecute.

To an extent thatís true. I think thereís a balancing exercise to be had between protecting against that and ensuring the PPS arenít put off the idea of prosecuting by costs implications. Iíd love to see the statistics for private paying cases in NI and how many of them result in acquittal before making a decision how well that balance is struck. They certainly wouldnít be unheard of but legally aided cases are the overwhelming majority of cases in NI.

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« Reply #639 on: Today at 12:04:00 PM »
Is it the case that if the accused had applied for legal aid then they would have nothing to pay towards their legal costs in the event of a not proven verdict?

Iím not sure I understand the question. Criminal Legal aid has two components.  A means test and a merits test. The means test has no absolute rules as to limits and well generally depend on the charge (and to some extent the judge). The merits test is then based on the Widgery criteria. Interestingly unlike civil legal aid, there is no contribution with criminal legal aid. If you receive it then Legal Aid covers all legal fees and plenty of experts fees without you paying anything. If you donít get then you have to pay for everything.

Also thereís no test if you are charged with Murder you are automatically entitled to legal aid.

Thereís no such thing as not proven in Northern Ireland.
Unless the prosecution case falls apart totally, it's unlikely that a middle incomed citizen (over the means threshold) would get legal expenses paid for, even in the event of a not guilty verdict? That if the crown believe they have enough to prosecute, there is a minimum penalty, an imposed punishment in the form of a financial penalty that the accused has to  endure unless they prove the prosecution's case to be very weak.
There appears to be an implied % of guilt once the crown decides to prosecute.

To an extent thatís true. I think thereís a balancing exercise to be had between protecting against that and ensuring the PPS arenít put off the idea of prosecuting by costs implications. Iíd love to see the statistics for private paying cases in NI and how many of them result in acquittal before making a decision how well that balance is struck. They certainly wouldnít be unheard of but legally aided cases are the overwhelming majority of cases in NI.
Thanks for the explanations.