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« Reply #570 on: December 22, 2016, 03:02:44 PM »
I wonder what benny's views are at this stage...
I don't think any different than I did a few weeks ago. The real debate now is what is clean.

Happy that you value my opinion.

I wasn't being snarky or anything, just that you're the prominent sky defender on the board. Do you still reckon Froome is clean?
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« Reply #571 on: December 22, 2016, 04:21:28 PM »
Yes. I certainly don't think Sky or Froome cheat in the traditional way - EPO etc... Froome isn't abusing TUEs & has inadvertently been exonerated by the Fancy Bears leaks. Until there's proof of anything you have to give him the benefit of the doubt (I do anyway).


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« Reply #572 on: December 23, 2016, 12:20:56 AM »
Yes. I certainly don't think Sky or Froome cheat in the traditional way - EPO etc... Froome isn't abusing TUEs & has inadvertently been exonerated by the Fancy Bears leaks. Until there's proof of anything you have to give him the benefit of the doubt (I do anyway).

Benny I did the same thing for Armstrong, you have tremendous knowledge in the area of professional cycling, me? Not so much, do you really think Drop me is that good he could compete and beat the best of the best who were doping? I think not, what do you think?
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« Reply #573 on: December 23, 2016, 03:13:46 PM »
http://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/38413852

Among the other allegations made by Matheson are:

The World Class Performance Programme worked in a "bubble" with "little or no supervision" by British Cycling's management.

A "considerable amount of money" has been spent on financial settlements for staff who were "forced" to leave British Cycling.

Favoured athletes and staff tended to form "enclaves" and those on the outside were "often treated badly and fearful for their future".

Matheson's account of events is highly critical of Sir Dave Brailsford, who joined British Cycling in 1997 and worked under Keen before succeeding him in 2003.
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« Reply #574 on: January 04, 2017, 02:55:59 PM »
Great interview with Paul Kimmage on Eamon Dunphy's new podcast "The Stand" which imo has been brilliant so far. It's remarkable what happened to Kimmage a few years back for taking the opposite stance to David Walsh with regard to Team Sky.

Also, I never knew that Sean Kelly had actually tested positive twice for PEDs.

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« Reply #575 on: January 04, 2017, 06:22:20 PM »
Great interview with Paul Kimmage on Eamon Dunphy's new podcast "The Stand" which imo has been brilliant so far. It's remarkable what happened to Kimmage a few years back for taking the opposite stance to David Walsh with regard to Team Sky.

Also, I never knew that Sean Kelly had actually tested positive twice for PEDs.
What happened Kimmage for taking an opposing stance to Walsh?

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« Reply #576 on: January 04, 2017, 09:20:46 PM »
Despite winning several awards, more than the rest of the sports department put together, he was sacked by The Sunday Times, who are part of the same corporation as the backers of Team Sky, and spent 7 months signing on the dole in Dublin. Walsh sold out and gave Sky his full backing. He is still chief Sports Writer at the the ST and is now trying to paint himself as someone who is pursuing Brailsford and Wiggins. Kimmage and Walsh were once best friends but no longer speak to each other.
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« Reply #577 on: January 04, 2017, 09:41:30 PM »
You're a few years out there horse with the time lines & have got the wrong end of the stick somewhere along the line.

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« Reply #578 on: January 04, 2017, 09:51:23 PM »
You're a few years out there horse with the time lines & have got the wrong end of the stick somewhere along the line.
That's as Kimmage told it. Where exactly is it wrong?

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« Reply #579 on: January 04, 2017, 10:00:53 PM »
He got the road from the ST in the Lance Armstrong era.

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« Reply #580 on: January 04, 2017, 10:27:23 PM »
He got the road from the ST in the Lance Armstrong era.
You're right actually. My mistake. He said he was sacked over his refusal to let go on the Armstrong story, after the lawsuit and settlement when his editor started to get wary of printing anything about Lance.

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« Reply #581 on: January 25, 2017, 03:05:59 PM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/38744846

Usain Bolt loses one Olympic gold medal as Nesta Carter tests positive


Usain Bolt will have to hand back one of his nine Olympic gold medals after Jamaican team-mate Nesta Carter tested positive for a banned substance.

Carter was part of the Jamaican quartet that won the 4x100m in Beijing in 2008.

His was one of 454 selected doping samples retested by the International Olympic Committee (IOC) last year, and has been found to contain the banned stimulant methylhexaneamine.

Bolt, 30, completed an unprecedented 'triple triple' in Rio last summer.

He won gold in the 100m, 200m and 4x100m relay to add to his successes in the same events in 2008 and 2012.

Carter, 31, was also part of the squad that won the event in London five years ago and helped Jamaica win at the World Championships in 2011, 2013 and 2015.

He ran the first leg for Jamaica's 4x100m relay team in Beijing, which also included Michael Frater, Asafa Powell and Bolt.

The team won in a then world record of 37.10 seconds, ahead of Trinidad and Tobago and Japan, who will now have their medals upgraded. Brazil will receive bronze.

The test and what happened next?

Carter was tested on the evening of the Beijing final in 2008 but that was found at the time to contain no "adverse analytical finding".

More than 4,500 tests were carried out at those Games, but just nine athletes were caught cheating.

An anomaly was discovered in Carter's submission following the IOC's decision to retest 454 samples from Beijing using the latest scientific analysis methods.

Carter and the Jamaican National Olympic Committee were told of the adverse finding in May - before the Rio Games - and told his B sample would be tested.

It was reported by Reuters in June that Carter's A sample had been found to contain methylhexanamine, which has been on the World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada) prohibited list since 2004.

It was reclassified in 2011 as a "specified substance", meaning one that is more susceptible to a "credible, non-doping explanation".

Sold as a nasal decongestant in the United States until 1983, methylhexanamine has been used more recently as an ingredient in dietary supplements.


Reaction - 'It takes the shine off Bolt's achievement'

Britain's two-time Olympic silver medallist Roger Black on BBC Radio 5 live

It takes the shine off Bolt's achievement. Eight doesn't have the same ring - 'double treble, plus two'.

It will be really frustrating for him. You can only account for yourself, you cannot account for your team-mates.

We know it has nothing to do with Usain Bolt - it will not damage his reputation - but it will affect it, take shine off it and he won't be a happy man.

When I hear stories like this, a part of me does celebrate. If athletes think they have got away with, then with retrospective testing they can never sleep peacefully.

It has to be the strongest deterrent the sport now has. Even when athletes retire they can still have their medals taken away. That is a really good deterrent.

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« Reply #582 on: January 26, 2017, 12:49:43 PM »
With the above failed test of the Jamician, Carter. Bolt is now the only person to have ever ran under 9.79 and not failed a drug test....

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« Reply #583 on: February 18, 2017, 10:14:05 PM »

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« Reply #584 on: February 19, 2017, 12:01:03 AM »
Right now what is a supplement and what is a PED? Do all the sports drink advertise performance enhancement? It's been long known that fat burners here have been used for years in pre season for many sports including gaa. I know it's taboo but why not get the sports world together with the scientists and have a big boy conversation with amnisety to info and develop a system where certain enhancers deemed healthy can be taken and develop levels appropriate to  modern society.