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Re: Westminster Election 12th December 2019
« Reply #1020 on: December 02, 2019, 09:51:08 AM »
Anyone saw the videos doing the rounds of the dead terrorist coming back to life?

Im not really a big man for conspiracy but its a bit mad!!!!

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Re: Westminster Election 12th December 2019
« Reply #1021 on: December 02, 2019, 10:26:01 AM »
Link man. Can't keep us hanging like that  :o



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Re: Westminster Election 12th December 2019
« Reply #1024 on: December 04, 2019, 03:56:27 PM »
Is this the first time ever the New Statesman has refused to back Labour in a GE ?

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Re: Westminster Election 12th December 2019
« Reply #1025 on: December 04, 2019, 10:32:27 PM »
I see Finucane has moved to slight favourite since pissing on the street.

Heard Emma Little Pengalllllllly is Planning a shit in public tomorrow outside the Hatfield. Wahhh

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Re: Westminster Election 12th December 2019
« Reply #1026 on: December 05, 2019, 06:57:02 AM »
https://www.ft.com/content/9413c96c-153a-11ea-9ee4-11f260415385

A Protestant who described himself as a political “neutralist”, Mr Fleming added that some Protestants might vote for Mr Eastwood in the December 12 poll. “It wouldn’t be so much to keep Elisha [McCallion] out. It would be more that Colum [Eastwood] might do something,” he said. “Whether you like or don’t like what he does, at least he’ll do something. He’ll go and he’ll have the voice be heard.”
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Re: Westminster Election 12th December 2019
« Reply #1027 on: December 05, 2019, 07:16:54 AM »
Labour's most recent jump in the polls was driven by Remainers leaving the LibDems. 
This is worrying for the Tories who are depending on strong Lib Dem showings in seats to keep Labour out.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/12/04/hypocrisy-liberal-remainer-fanatics-flocking-corbyn-jaw-dropping/
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Re: Westminster Election 12th December 2019
« Reply #1028 on: December 05, 2019, 08:16:29 PM »
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Re: Westminster Election 12th December 2019
« Reply #1029 on: December 05, 2019, 09:14:29 PM »
So the Jewish Labour Movement EHRC report published today, just to be clear these are all statemenst from 75 past and present Labour members, not the right wing neo liberal press as Magpie Seanie and Seafoid would have you believe -



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I've read the Jewish Labour Movement EHRC report, so you don't have to.  I'm going to list some of the most shocking points raised by the report below.

I will not be including details of Jeremy Corbyn's personal antisemitism, as this has already been done elsewhere. Thread.

One Jewish Labour member listed 22 examples of antisemitic abuse directed at him at CLP meetings.  These included the phrases “Hitler was right”, “child killer” and “shut the f**k up Jew”. (page 4)

One Jewish member shared a breakfast table at party conference with delegates who agreed that Jews were “subhuman” and should “be grateful we don’t make them eat bacon..every day.” (page 5)

One Jewish Labour member alleged an article arguing Jews were overrepresented in the capitalist class was defended on official Labour Party mailing lists. (page 7)

A Jewish sixth-former was forced to leave the Labour Party Forum on Facebook after members sifted through his account for links to Jewish organisations. (page 7)

A Jewish Labour member had made a comment online condemning holocaust denial.  The administrator of the Labour Party Forum group responded by calling him a “frothing Hasbara Troll.” (page 8)

One Jewish member faced death threats after she was filmed being upset watching a debate about antisemitism at the Labour Party Conference. (page 8)

One Jewish was the subject of a 30-minute film made by an antisemitic member, who abused him as a “f**king Jew” and threatened to punch him in the face. (page 8)

The membership secretary in South Tottenham CLP allegedly objected to 25 applications from the Jewish community, and required home visits to their houses.  This was not a requirement for other members. (page 9)

Three branches in Stockton CLP refused to vote for a motion condemning the Pittsburgh attack in 2018.  The opponents felt the word “antisemitism” should be removed from the motion, despite it being the deadliest attack on the Jewish community in the history of the US. (page 14)


Margaret Hodge was subject to abuse after expressing her feelings on Labour antisemitism.  One example includes the phrase “your smear campaign…would make Goebbels proud.” (page 17)

A staff member was appointed despite allegedly having a history of antisemitism.  The appointment was signed off personally by Katie Murphy and Jennie Formby. (page 19)

The Leader’s office allegedly interfered directly in the disciplinary process. An advisor allegedly stated that “JC [is] interested in this one, while discussing action on a specific case. (page 22)

Staff in the complaints team were allegedly told that they were not to provide updates or responses in respect of antisemitism complaints. (page 24)

Staff allege that after the 2017 GE, the Leader’s Office expected staff to disregard antisemitic incidents from a long time ago. (page 25)

In early 2019, the decision was taken that Laura Murray would head the complaints team.  This means the Leader’s office could control the team directly. (page 26)

Pete Willsman and Claudia Webbe (both alleged to have a history of antisemitism, separately to this report) were said to defend alleged antisemites to the complaints team. (page 27)

One example of a person permitted to remain linked to the party despite suspension was the vice-chair of Woking Labour, who tweeted that Hitler was the “Zionist God”. (page 28)

Some antisemitism cases that go word for word against the Labour Party rule book were subject to blanket exceptions.  No suspension issued. (page 32)

Alex Scott-Samuel, who has promoted Rothschild conspiracy theories on a David Icke show, chaired the meeting to discuss Luciana Berger’s replacement.  He was never sanctioned. (page 42)

Elleanne Green, a close friend fo Jeremy Corbyn, shared a post blaming “scriptwriters in Tel Aviv” for the Christchurch massacre. The report implies her case is ongoing or she has never been sanctioned. (page 42)

Tom Watson had allegedly forwarded 50 complaints to Corbyn, and no action was taken.  Examples of complaints included tweets linking Hitler & the Rothschilds, and questioning whether Jewish MPs had “human blood”. (page 43)

For those who have asked, I have also not included the sections on (Labour Councillor and pro-Corbyn activist) Thomas Gardiner's role in the antisemitism disciplinary process.  That is because Panorama covered this better than anyone.  It's worth a watch

















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Re: Westminster Election 12th December 2019
« Reply #1030 on: December 05, 2019, 11:01:42 PM »
Car crash interview for Arlene on The View at present.

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Re: Westminster Election 12th December 2019
« Reply #1031 on: December 05, 2019, 11:09:01 PM »
So the Jewish Labour Movement EHRC report published today, just to be clear these are all statemenst from 75 past and present Labour members, not the right wing neo liberal press as Magpie Seanie and Seafoid would have you believe -



@francesweetman

I've read the Jewish Labour Movement EHRC report, so you don't have to.  I'm going to list some of the most shocking points raised by the report below.

I will not be including details of Jeremy Corbyn's personal antisemitism, as this has already been done elsewhere. Thread.

One Jewish Labour member listed 22 examples of antisemitic abuse directed at him at CLP meetings.  These included the phrases “Hitler was right”, “child killer” and “shut the f**k up Jew”. (page 4)

One Jewish member shared a breakfast table at party conference with delegates who agreed that Jews were “subhuman” and should “be grateful we don’t make them eat bacon..every day.” (page 5)

One Jewish Labour member alleged an article arguing Jews were overrepresented in the capitalist class was defended on official Labour Party mailing lists. (page 7)

A Jewish sixth-former was forced to leave the Labour Party Forum on Facebook after members sifted through his account for links to Jewish organisations. (page 7)

A Jewish Labour member had made a comment online condemning holocaust denial.  The administrator of the Labour Party Forum group responded by calling him a “frothing Hasbara Troll.” (page 8)

One Jewish member faced death threats after she was filmed being upset watching a debate about antisemitism at the Labour Party Conference. (page 8)

One Jewish was the subject of a 30-minute film made by an antisemitic member, who abused him as a “f**king Jew” and threatened to punch him in the face. (page 8)

The membership secretary in South Tottenham CLP allegedly objected to 25 applications from the Jewish community, and required home visits to their houses.  This was not a requirement for other members. (page 9)

Three branches in Stockton CLP refused to vote for a motion condemning the Pittsburgh attack in 2018.  The opponents felt the word “antisemitism” should be removed from the motion, despite it being the deadliest attack on the Jewish community in the history of the US. (page 14)


Margaret Hodge was subject to abuse after expressing her feelings on Labour antisemitism.  One example includes the phrase “your smear campaign…would make Goebbels proud.” (page 17)

A staff member was appointed despite allegedly having a history of antisemitism.  The appointment was signed off personally by Katie Murphy and Jennie Formby. (page 19)

The Leader’s office allegedly interfered directly in the disciplinary process. An advisor allegedly stated that “JC [is] interested in this one, while discussing action on a specific case. (page 22)

Staff in the complaints team were allegedly told that they were not to provide updates or responses in respect of antisemitism complaints. (page 24)

Staff allege that after the 2017 GE, the Leader’s Office expected staff to disregard antisemitic incidents from a long time ago. (page 25)

In early 2019, the decision was taken that Laura Murray would head the complaints team.  This means the Leader’s office could control the team directly. (page 26)

Pete Willsman and Claudia Webbe (both alleged to have a history of antisemitism, separately to this report) were said to defend alleged antisemites to the complaints team. (page 27)

One example of a person permitted to remain linked to the party despite suspension was the vice-chair of Woking Labour, who tweeted that Hitler was the “Zionist God”. (page 28)

Some antisemitism cases that go word for word against the Labour Party rule book were subject to blanket exceptions.  No suspension issued. (page 32)

Alex Scott-Samuel, who has promoted Rothschild conspiracy theories on a David Icke show, chaired the meeting to discuss Luciana Berger’s replacement.  He was never sanctioned. (page 42)

Elleanne Green, a close friend fo Jeremy Corbyn, shared a post blaming “scriptwriters in Tel Aviv” for the Christchurch massacre. The report implies her case is ongoing or she has never been sanctioned. (page 42)

Tom Watson had allegedly forwarded 50 complaints to Corbyn, and no action was taken.  Examples of complaints included tweets linking Hitler & the Rothschilds, and questioning whether Jewish MPs had “human blood”. (page 43)

For those who have asked, I have also not included the sections on (Labour Councillor and pro-Corbyn activist) Thomas Gardiner's role in the antisemitism disciplinary process.  That is because Panorama covered this better than anyone.  It's worth a watch

I guess we are going to have to wait and see the EHRC report and whatever evidence it has to support the allegations. I for one won’t hold back in condemnation of antisemitism or a failure to deal with it when I see the evidence. I don’t doubt that there will be evidence in some and possibly many instances

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Re: Westminster Election 12th December 2019
« Reply #1032 on: December 05, 2019, 11:55:52 PM »
Missed the Arlene Foster interview on the BBC tonight but I’d bet she again tried to steer away from talking about Brexit and shifted the focus onto anything but Brexit which seems to have been the DUP strategy from the start.

This has been a toxic election campaign as the DUP have allowed themselves to be led by UDA and loyalist unelected representatives in a blatant attempt to take the heat off themselves in relation to Brexit and in order to buy some extra votes. No vision or strategic plan shown yet again by political unionism. I hope they suffer at the ballot box but I wouldn’t bet on it.

Elsewhere, over the water Corbyn seems to be finally making some belated ground on the Tories as Johnson continues to get exposed for the charlatan that he is. Expect this gap to narrow over the last week of the campaign but Corbyn needs a high turnout particularly among the younger electorate to give himself a chance of entering into no. 10 in some form of coalition. Either way, I reckon that one of either Johnson or Corbyn will be toast in just over 1 weeks time.