Tyrone County Football and Hurling

[LeoMc]

Any truth that Benny Gallen has left the squad now too?

Yes - he played for Aghyaran last night.

Errigal keeper McAnenley called up to replace him for now.

He wouldn't be getting called up only for where he is from.

[TwoUpTwoDown]

Mickey has always had a soft spot for the Errigal lads

[GlenMan]

Any truth that Benny Gallen has left the squad now too?

Yes - he played for Aghyaran last night.

Errigal keeper McAnenley called up to replace him for now.

He wouldn't be getting called up only for where he is from.

No doubt he's not first choice but none of the better Keepers will give up Club football at this point in the season just to sit on the bench!

[Goals_Will_Come]

Lads what way is the Friday night matches going down?
I know it's new in Tyrone.
Better or prefer Sunday?

Tight going on the reserve player travelling for 6:45 but generally a success. Players much much happier with the format.

[skeog]

Darragh Mc Anenly is a good keeper has nothing to do what club he is from.He should be praised for joining the panel midway through the season.

[Redhand Santa]

Darragh Mc Anenly is a good keeper has nothing to do what club he is from.He should be praised for joining the panel midway through the season.

I don't think anyone was criticising him. The point was that if Harte had called him up the usual suspects on the board would have described it as Harte bias to Errigal.

Similarly if the Clonoe lads walked away with Harte as manager it would have been billed as bias against East Tyrone players.

A rule has to be brought in around these starred fixtures if you want to keep a strong panel in the future. Clonoe are benefiting from being treated as having 3 county players in the fixtures (by playing the other teams with most county players) but have 0. Other club players who are fringe on the panel will be under the pressure to pull out. There should be a cut off point that if players pull out after then they still can't play the starred games.

[tiempo]

Players who haven't played at least a game and a half in minutes of Tyrones first 3 games should be free to play club. Where is McShane better to hone the shooting, competitive club game or county training? It's really unfair on bench/fringe County players to get no football. Few Omagh lads as an example but I'm sure it can be compared with other clubs too

Meyler, 3 County games
Grugan, 2 club games
O'Neill, no games in either

For what everyone has gone through over covid it's an absolute disgrace lads are being actively prevented from playing yet are expected to maintain a monk like existence to bulk out a county matchday squad and training sessions

[Redhand Santa]

Players who haven't played at least a game and a half in minutes of Tyrones first 3 games should be free to play club. Where is McShane better to hone the shooting, competitive club game or county training? It's really unfair on bench/fringe County players to get no football. Few Omagh lads as an example but I'm sure it can be compared with other clubs too

Meyler, 3 County games
Grugan, 2 club games
O'Neill, no games in either

For what everyone has gone through over covid it's an absolute disgrace lads are being actively prevented from playing yet are expected to maintain a monk like existence to bulk out a county matchday squad and training sessions

If Harte was the manager there would be a lot of complaints about this. All county players could have played on Friday night - it's only a league game next week at the end of the day. Anyone not in the 26 should be playing next week (even though it's hard to plan starred games around that - better than players playing nothing though). There is no reason the players couldn't then play for their clubs on the 18th and 25th June - last year under Harte they would have been allowed to as it was outside 13 days before a championship game. People always complained he didn't let players play but they are being wrapped up far more this year.

[tiempo]

Fast forward 3 or 4 months and into the business end of the club season. You could have county subs/fringe squad players with 3 or 4 games played in 4 months at club level going in against lads with 10-12 games behind them in the same spell. I'm sure there's plenty of lads outside the county panel itching to get a crack at the county men to show they're at the level and worth consideration for county, but it's a bit harsh on those subs to sit there only training and then expect them to deliver anything for club or county going in against lads with game time under their belt at both levels. The life of a fringe County player is worse than reserve players at this stage, second class citizens in the same respect

[southtyronegael]

I see Tyrone are 3/1 shots this weekend. Could be a nice price if Kerry don't go full pelt.

[trailer]

Fast forward 3 or 4 months and into the business end of the club season. You could have county subs/fringe squad players with 3 or 4 games played in 4 months at club level going in against lads with 10-12 games behind them in the same spell. I'm sure there's plenty of lads outside the county panel itching to get a crack at the county men to show they're at the level and worth consideration for county, but it's a bit harsh on those subs to sit there only training and then expect them to deliver anything for club or county going in against lads with game time under their belt at both levels. The life of a fringe County player is worse than reserve players at this stage, second class citizens in the same respect

I think it has been clear from the outset. County panel don't play in starred games. It's shite if you have county players but that's the way it is. Some hybrid fringe subs nonsense won't work and will only lead to more upset.

[tiempo]

Fast forward 3 or 4 months and into the business end of the club season. You could have county subs/fringe squad players with 3 or 4 games played in 4 months at club level going in against lads with 10-12 games behind them in the same spell. I'm sure there's plenty of lads outside the county panel itching to get a crack at the county men to show they're at the level and worth consideration for county, but it's a bit harsh on those subs to sit there only training and then expect them to deliver anything for club or county going in against lads with game time under their belt at both levels. The life of a fringe County player is worse than reserve players at this stage, second class citizens in the same respect

I think it has been clear from the outset. County panel don't play in starred games. It's shite if you have county players but that's the way it is. Some hybrid fringe subs nonsense won't work and will only lead to more upset.

Upshot, at least the meat suits know where they stand.

Out: football
In: protein shakes and star handpass drill

[trailer]

Fast forward 3 or 4 months and into the business end of the club season. You could have county subs/fringe squad players with 3 or 4 games played in 4 months at club level going in against lads with 10-12 games behind them in the same spell. I'm sure there's plenty of lads outside the county panel itching to get a crack at the county men to show they're at the level and worth consideration for county, but it's a bit harsh on those subs to sit there only training and then expect them to deliver anything for club or county going in against lads with game time under their belt at both levels. The life of a fringe County player is worse than reserve players at this stage, second class citizens in the same respect

I think it has been clear from the outset. County panel don't play in starred games. It's shite if you have county players but that's the way it is. Some hybrid fringe subs nonsense won't work and will only lead to more upset.

Upshot, at least the meat suits know where they stand.

Out: football
In: protein shakes and star handpass drill

Difficult to keep everyone happy. The other option they tried whn I played was to train like a dog Mar - Apr. Pause entire football ad hoc from May to Oct but importantly not give players any notice so continue to train like a dog. Cram entire league and championship into 8 weeks before Christmas. Pitches getting worse every week.
Upshot you had county players, downside everyone was completely fucked off and club player dropouts was huge.

[tiempo]

I agree Trailer, it's not possible to keep everyone happy, but there's clearly one group of stakeholder here being treated as second class, first and foremost in this situation keeping them happy should priority. We are treating gifted County standard players worse than reserve footballers, there is a cohort who haven't kicked a ball yet this year, its June, while their club and county team mates have games and minutes under their belt.

The whold world has gone through a shit show of a pandemic, we're potentially coming out the other side of it and we're still preventing lads from playing, treating them as mere collateral to keep other people happy.

The walkouts speak for themselves (McClure aside), lads not starting for the county care deeply for their clubs and want some sort of football to get up to speed, endless training is no use to any manager when down the line their player is burnt out training with no competitive match practice and potentially confidence shot to bits.

And the biggest blowback this will have is when McShane returns, is jettisoned straight into county 15 or immediate subs ahead of these other lads who have toiled away. That fucks the whole thing up as a) Cathal has nothing behind him at the lower level to get up to speed and test himself following a long layoff and b) the rest of the county fringe players get further disenfranchised.

Its not that hard to square the circle, let the lads who played less than 1.5 of the 3 NFL to date play club football.

[trailer]

I agree Trailer, it's not possible to keep everyone happy, but there's clearly one group of stakeholder here being treated as second class, first and foremost in this situation keeping them happy should priority. We are treating gifted County standard players worse than reserve footballers, there is a cohort who haven't kicked a ball yet this year, its June, while their club and county team mates have games and minutes under their belt.

The whold world has gone through a shit show of a pandemic, we're potentially coming out the other side of it and we're still preventing lads from playing, treating them as mere collateral to keep other people happy.

The walkouts speak for themselves (McClure aside), lads not starting for the county care deeply for their clubs and want some sort of football to get up to speed, endless training is no use to any manager when down the line their player is burnt out training with no competitive match practice and potentially confidence shot to bits.

And the biggest blowback this will have is when McShane returns, is jettisoned straight into county 15 or immediate subs ahead of these other lads who have toiled away. That fucks the whole thing up as a) Cathal has nothing behind him at the lower level to get up to speed and test himself following a long layoff and b) the rest of the county fringe players get further disenfranchised.

Its not that hard to square the circle, let the lads who played less than 1.5 of the 3 NFL to date play club football.

Agree with a lot of that. A split season solves all these issues. Hopefully the GAA see that as well.