Tyrone County Football and Hurling

[Dire Ear]

Fair point blewup

[deadman]

seen a photo on twitter earlier of mickey harte holding a banner which read 'no politics in sport'. laughable

Good aul Mickey loves a photo! People say he's at his brilliant best when getting his photo into the newspapers or social media but I always think he's at his best when the TV camera is on him out on the pitch and he's shouting and pointing in random directions.with players around him, it's  got a great look about it and says ' look at me I'm so brilliant and people are gonna say what a great manager I am when watching the telly. What a bunch of gullible sheep they are!'

Is Harte not normally very passive on the sideline? The arms folded standing position is pretty much his trademark.

Was sitting quite close to Harte in MacHale Park against Mayo in the league this year. Was very vocal that day, barking orders and admonishing referee Maurice Deegan, especially after Hugh Pat McGeary's injury.

[Fuzzman]

He knows he's under pressure lads so of course he's gonna be more animated.
Even if he wins another Ulster this year but loses to Kerry or Mayo or worse then he's under the microscope again.

I think last year, even so many "neutrals" wanted to see him call it a day.
Here in Dublin most true gaels asked me that and said who would be next?
Surely we can play better brand of football than that.

I think he will do this year but thats as much to do with other teams moving on too and not just Donegal or Monaghan.

[Thebigdog]

Great to see mugsy sticking the knife into the rubbish we've had to endure this last five years...let's actually make it ten years. Harte can't even sort free taking duties out in that time, people can forget about it til the P45 is handed over.

[trileacman]

I'd rather let Brennan hit the right-sided frees that suit a left boot and Morgan the inverse.

There is no doubt they are the same person, best ignored.

I see Mulligan said in the Irish News today that Morgan shouldn't be taking free kicks and that Lee Brennan would put the long range one's over with his eyes closed. He clearly wasn't at the last few league games were Brennan missed 5/6 longer range frees. I do think Brennan deserves a go at them but to me it's very easy to say whoever is not taking them would slot them over easily. I actually have no problem with Morgan hitting the one's outside the 45 as he is the best striker of a ball in Tyrone of the ground.

I don't think it's fair former players singling out current players for criticism either.

He clearly wasn't at the last few league games were Brennan missed 5/6 longer range frees.

Still a reason to change though as Morgan usually hits 7/8 wide before he scores one

I dread him coming up the pitch to be honest. Is he likely to score? No.  Rory Beggan more consistent with his strikes.

Should anyone be taking on a shot that is maybe a 1 in 4 or 5 conversion rate?
Maybe the problem is these 50-60m frees arent really scoreable and we should be moving them on quickly?
Id say if we got up and got the play moving quickly from those frees we are likely to work a score more often than 1 in every 5?

Nail on head.

[GetOverTheBar]

There is no doubt they are the same person, best ignored.

I see Mulligan said in the Irish News today that Morgan shouldn't be taking free kicks and that Lee Brennan would put the long range one's over with his eyes closed. He clearly wasn't at the last few league games were Brennan missed 5/6 longer range frees. I do think Brennan deserves a go at them but to me it's very easy to say whoever is not taking them would slot them over easily. I actually have no problem with Morgan hitting the one's outside the 45 as he is the best striker of a ball in Tyrone of the ground.

I don't think it's fair former players singling out current players for criticism either.

He clearly wasn't at the last few league games were Brennan missed 5/6 longer range frees.

Still a reason to change though as Morgan usually hits 7/8 wide before he scores one

I dread him coming up the pitch to be honest. Is he likely to score? No.  Rory Beggan more consistent with his strikes.

Should anyone be taking on a shot that is maybe a 1 in 4 or 5 conversion rate?
Maybe the problem is these 50-60m frees arent really scoreable and we should be moving them on quickly?
Id say if we got up and got the play moving quickly from those frees we are likely to work a score more often than 1 in every 5?

Managers are loathe at any level now to have any players put in a position where they have to run into a tackle. Seems taking a 20% punt on a long range free is a better alternative than maybe a 10% chance of a player beating a man.

Not exactly my own thoughts but that's how they look at the stats at the highest level. That said, the best teams know how to hold onto the ball, get over the ball or slow it down so quick frees are rarely able to be taken advantage of.

[bigpackiechestout]

I was disappointed to see Mugsy in the papers trying to stir up controversy in return for a few quid from Paddy power. I think he was particularly harsh on Morgan and don't think that a fellow Tyrone man, and former team mate of Nialls, should be sticking the knife in like this. He said that Brennan would kick the longer range frees blindfolded, if Mugsy was watching Tyrone in the league this year at all he would know this is not the case. Lee racked up a big tally from frees throughout the league but it has to be said that a number of these were handy ones from close in and that he was guilty of missing a few longer range ones. It's also very easy to say that Lee should hit, and would score, all of our frees but the fact remains that he hasn't been tested in the white heat of a championship match that is in the balance so the jury should remain out until this happens.

Mugsy also claimed that our style is too defensive and that he would like to see Lee, Bradley, Skeet and Harte all playing closer to goal. Again, has he not been watching Tyrone this year? This was exactly the forward line v Donegal and Mayo in our good run towards the end of the League and Niall Sludden was also playing further up the pitch.

[GaaFanatic123]

I was disappointed to see Mugsy in the papers trying to stir up controversy in return for a few quid from Paddy power. I think he was particularly harsh on Morgan and don't think that a fellow Tyrone man, and former team mate of Nialls, should be sticking the knife in like this. He said that Brennan would kick the longer range frees blindfolded, if Mugsy was watching Tyrone in the league this year at all he would know this is not the case. Lee racked up a big tally from frees throughout the league but it has to be said that a number of these were handy ones from close in and that he was guilty of missing a few longer range ones. It's also very easy to say that Lee should hit, and would score, all of our frees but the fact remains that he hasn't been tested in the white heat of a championship match that is in the balance so the jury should remain out until this happens.

Mugsy also claimed that our style is too defensive and that he would like to see Lee, Bradley, Skeet and Harte all playing closer to goal. Again, has he not been watching Tyrone this year? This was exactly the forward line v Donegal and Mayo in our good run towards the end of the League and Niall Sludden was also playing further up the pitch.

I didnt get reading it but did Mugsy state that none of the Tyrone forwards would have got on any of the Tyrone teams that won All Ireland.
Agree of Disagree? IMO its hard to disagree, Certainly not in the first 2 all Ireland wins anyway!!
Maybe Sludden would be the only one who would come close to it and even at that you'd have to throw him in at wing forward cause B.McGuigan certainly wouldnt be replaced

[GetOverTheBar]

I was disappointed to see Mugsy in the papers trying to stir up controversy in return for a few quid from Paddy power. I think he was particularly harsh on Morgan and don't think that a fellow Tyrone man, and former team mate of Nialls, should be sticking the knife in like this. He said that Brennan would kick the longer range frees blindfolded, if Mugsy was watching Tyrone in the league this year at all he would know this is not the case. Lee racked up a big tally from frees throughout the league but it has to be said that a number of these were handy ones from close in and that he was guilty of missing a few longer range ones. It's also very easy to say that Lee should hit, and would score, all of our frees but the fact remains that he hasn't been tested in the white heat of a championship match that is in the balance so the jury should remain out until this happens.

Mugsy also claimed that our style is too defensive and that he would like to see Lee, Bradley, Skeet and Harte all playing closer to goal. Again, has he not been watching Tyrone this year? This was exactly the forward line v Donegal and Mayo in our good run towards the end of the League and Niall Sludden was also playing further up the pitch.

I didnt get reading it but did Mugsy state that none of the Tyrone forwards would have got on any of the Tyrone teams that won All Ireland.
Agree of Disagree? IMO its hard to disagree, Certainly not in the first 2 all Ireland wins anyway!!
Maybe Sludden would be the only one who would come close to it and even at that you'd have to throw him in at wing forward cause B.McGuigan certainly wouldnt be replaced

He's absolutely correct. None of them would have got onto the teams of the 00s. That in itself is no insult, just reality.

[bigpackiechestout]

I was disappointed to see Mugsy in the papers trying to stir up controversy in return for a few quid from Paddy power. I think he was particularly harsh on Morgan and don't think that a fellow Tyrone man, and former team mate of Nialls, should be sticking the knife in like this. He said that Brennan would kick the longer range frees blindfolded, if Mugsy was watching Tyrone in the league this year at all he would know this is not the case. Lee racked up a big tally from frees throughout the league but it has to be said that a number of these were handy ones from close in and that he was guilty of missing a few longer range ones. It's also very easy to say that Lee should hit, and would score, all of our frees but the fact remains that he hasn't been tested in the white heat of a championship match that is in the balance so the jury should remain out until this happens.

Mugsy also claimed that our style is too defensive and that he would like to see Lee, Bradley, Skeet and Harte all playing closer to goal. Again, has he not been watching Tyrone this year? This was exactly the forward line v Donegal and Mayo in our good run towards the end of the League and Niall Sludden was also playing further up the pitch.

I didnt get reading it but did Mugsy state that none of the Tyrone forwards would have got on any of the Tyrone teams that won All Ireland.
Agree of Disagree? IMO its hard to disagree, Certainly not in the first 2 all Ireland wins anyway!!
Maybe Sludden would be the only one who would come close to it and even at that you'd have to throw him in at wing forward cause B.McGuigan certainly wouldnt be replaced

He's absolutely correct. None of them would have got onto the teams of the 00s. That in itself is no insult, just reality.

Are we not classing Matty Donnelly or Petey Harte as forwards? Because either of them would have made those teams. In case you have all forgotten, Ryan Mellon, Marty Penrose and Tommy McGuigan all started in All Ireland finals in the 00s.

[GaaFanatic123]

I was disappointed to see Mugsy in the papers trying to stir up controversy in return for a few quid from Paddy power. I think he was particularly harsh on Morgan and don't think that a fellow Tyrone man, and former team mate of Nialls, should be sticking the knife in like this. He said that Brennan would kick the longer range frees blindfolded, if Mugsy was watching Tyrone in the league this year at all he would know this is not the case. Lee racked up a big tally from frees throughout the league but it has to be said that a number of these were handy ones from close in and that he was guilty of missing a few longer range ones. It's also very easy to say that Lee should hit, and would score, all of our frees but the fact remains that he hasn't been tested in the white heat of a championship match that is in the balance so the jury should remain out until this happens.

Mugsy also claimed that our style is too defensive and that he would like to see Lee, Bradley, Skeet and Harte all playing closer to goal. Again, has he not been watching Tyrone this year? This was exactly the forward line v Donegal and Mayo in our good run towards the end of the League and Niall Sludden was also playing further up the pitch.

I didnt get reading it but did Mugsy state that none of the Tyrone forwards would have got on any of the Tyrone teams that won All Ireland.
Agree of Disagree? IMO its hard to disagree, Certainly not in the first 2 all Ireland wins anyway!!
Maybe Sludden would be the only one who would come close to it and even at that you'd have to throw him in at wing forward cause B.McGuigan certainly wouldnt be replaced

He's absolutely correct. None of them would have got onto the teams of the 00s. That in itself is no insult, just reality.

Are we not classing Matty Donnelly or Petey Harte as forwards? Because either of them would have made those teams. In case you have all forgotten, Ryan Mellon, Marty Penrose and Tommy McGuigan all started in All Ireland finals in the 00s.

Did Penrose start All Ireland Final? I cant rememenber

Mellon was outstanding, that performance against the Dubs in the rain where he scored the goal, Man off the match in All Ireland final? He certainly would never have been droppped from that team!

Tommy McGuigan-  Goal in the All ireland final!!

Even at this, where would you put Matty and Harte then Corner forward? Because both Matty and Harte have shown they arent  half the player they are on the full forward line..
Dont get me wrong great players but as forwards on the 00's team, I dont think so.
Ill use an example..

Dooher McGuigan Mellon
Mugsey Canavan Oneil

Who do you drop?

[chieftain]

I was disappointed to see Mugsy in the papers trying to stir up controversy in return for a few quid from Paddy power. I think he was particularly harsh on Morgan and don't think that a fellow Tyrone man, and former team mate of Nialls, should be sticking the knife in like this. He said that Brennan would kick the longer range frees blindfolded, if Mugsy was watching Tyrone in the league this year at all he would know this is not the case. Lee racked up a big tally from frees throughout the league but it has to be said that a number of these were handy ones from close in and that he was guilty of missing a few longer range ones. It's also very easy to say that Lee should hit, and would score, all of our frees but the fact remains that he hasn't been tested in the white heat of a championship match that is in the balance so the jury should remain out until this happens.

Mugsy also claimed that our style is too defensive and that he would like to see Lee, Bradley, Skeet and Harte all playing closer to goal. Again, has he not been watching Tyrone this year? This was exactly the forward line v Donegal and Mayo in our good run towards the end of the League and Niall Sludden was also playing further up the pitch.

I didnt get reading it but did Mugsy state that none of the Tyrone forwards would have got on any of the Tyrone teams that won All Ireland.
Agree of Disagree? IMO its hard to disagree, Certainly not in the first 2 all Ireland wins anyway!!
Maybe Sludden would be the only one who would come close to it and even at that you'd have to throw him in at wing forward cause B.McGuigan certainly wouldnt be replaced

He's absolutely correct. None of them would have got onto the teams of the 00s. That in itself is no insult, just reality.

Are we not classing Matty Donnelly or Petey Harte as forwards? Because either of them would have made those teams. In case you have all forgotten, Ryan Mellon, Marty Penrose and Tommy McGuigan all started in All Ireland finals in the 00s.

Did Penrose start All Ireland Final? I cant rememenber

Mellon was outstanding, that performance against the Dubs in the rain where he scored the goal, Man off the match in All Ireland final? He certainly would never have been droppped from that team!

Tommy McGuigan-  Goal in the All ireland final!!

Even at this, where would you put Matty and Harte then Corner forward? Because both Matty and Harte have shown they arent  half the player they are on the full forward line..
Dont get me wrong great players but as forwards on the 00's team, I dont think so.
Ill use an example..

Dooher McGuigan Mellon
Mugsey Canavan Oneil

Who do you drop?

Did that forward line ever start together?

[southtyronegael]

I wouldn't be too worried about if our current forwards would have been good enough to win all Irelands in the past. I wanna see if they are good enough to win one THIS year!

[southtyronegael]

05 all Ireland I think chief.

[Christmas Lights]

Incredible article from Mugsy, loved it.  Top top slating. Had all the subtly of a car wreck.  Refreshing to see rather than the same boring nonsense you see people pedal in interviews week in and week out.

Also, is there a method to Mugsy's madness, it will surely spur on the slated ones to perform better.  Possibly the boot in the hole they needed?