Boxing Thread

[Atticus_Finch]

Crolla's definitely hard done by there.  Thought the points deductions would have seen him through.

Who do you see as being one of these fighters that would be looking for Frampton and which would make for a big fight in the states Syferus ?

Milltown expecting a post from you. Not meaning to come across as negative towards Carl here, I'm a fan as you know.  Just think tonight has an impact on what his next steps are.

[ONeill]

Frampton was shown up tonight as an OK fighter. Same as McCloskey - he looks good against hand-picked warm-ups but as soon as you go looking for genuine fighters they'll struggle.

[Syferus]

Frampton was shown up tonight as an OK fighter. Same as McCloskey - he looks good against hand-picked warm-ups but as soon as you go looking for genuine fighters they'll struggle.

Frampton is leagues beyond someone like McCloskey. He's already proven to be in the top bracket in the world in his weight. I can't believe you'd even type that with a straight face ONiell.

[ONeill]

Maybe. But I know I'm correct. He didn't do it tonight against someone ranked 13th in his own country's rankings for that weight.

Explain how he proved he's in the top bracket?

[Syferus]

Maybe. But I know I'm correct. He didn't do it tonight against someone ranked 13th in his own country's rankings for that weight.

Explain how he proved he's in the top bracket?

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/ratings/jr-featherweight

He is literally in the top two in the world in the most respected world rankings in boxing. He's been ranked in the top ten in the world for almost three years straight to boot. You've compared him to someone who never looked at comfort outside of European level. It's a mad comparison to make ONeill.

[ONeill]

Which fight made you realise he's in the top bracket?

[Syferus]

Which fight made you realise he's in the top bracket?

Since I first saw Frampton he's looked classy. He's progressively got better and better over the last few years. A tough fight in America changes féck all. Indeed tough might be pushing what happened - after the first round Frampton controlled that fight bar maybe the 9th and 10th rounds. Trying to use that performance as a stick to beat him in the face of his body of work is a little OTT to say the least.

[ONeill]

Which fight made you realise he's in the top bracket?

[Milltown Row2]

Crolla's definitely hard done by there.  Thought the points deductions would have seen him through.

Who do you see as being one of these fighters that would be looking for Frampton and which would make for a big fight in the states Syferus ?

Milltown expecting a post from you. Not meaning to come across as negative towards Carl here, I'm a fan as you know.  Just think tonight has an impact on what his next steps are.

What can I say, he dodged a bullet tonight in my book, was happy about this fight from the very start, originally he'd a fight in New york/Boston then it was changed to El Paso... I thought then and there he was being hijacked... My father inlaw (who's carls uncle) also thought this was a lot tighter than people predicted... I thought that his tactics were wrong probably down to not respecting the opponent and going for a knockout Carl looked heavy footed and had no fire in his belly... While the knockdowns were good hits I don't think they were punishing hits.. As for going up a weight that's silly, Carl is very small and he's been fighting at that weight easily for a lot of years and there has never been weight issues... The canvas was the same for both fighters.

I think on reflection he'll be glad to get home with the belt and rest up and reassess his options he's still the champion of a real belt. Quigg has done really well didn't expect it to be that easy but Carl is still the main event between the two of them....

Carl gave the Mexican great plaudits after the fight in fairness but probably gave out too many excuses for his poorer than expected performance.... I'd 20 people in house shouting at the tv last night! Some very relieved relatives when the correct decision was given

[Atticus_Finch]

Moving up in weight doesn't make sense.  I could be wrong but I thought he had said in interview about a week before the fight he was making weight fairly easy.  He had a height and reach disadvantage last night, moving up in weight will make that a common occurrence.

Fighting outside of Belfast was always going to be a big step, he's returning with a victory and while he hasn't performed as he wanted to, he is still amongst the best of his division and beats Scott Quigg if they meet.

Was surprised at the manner of the Quigg victory. i felt Martinez was going to be in with a real chance.  Need to watch the fight back but after the 1st round I thought Quigg had a tough night's work ahead of him.   Martinez could have been smarter and taken his time after the 1st knockdown rather than try get straight back up.  Flicked straight over to the Frampton fight and didn't see Martinez's post fight interview, not sure if he even did one but would be interested to hear his views on what happened.

[Milltown Row2]

Moving up in weight doesn't make sense.  I could be wrong but I thought he had said in interview about a week before the fight he was making weight fairly easy.  He had a height and reach disadvantage last night, moving up in weight will make that a common occurrence.

Fighting outside of Belfast was always going to be a big step, he's returning with a victory and while he hasn't performed as he wanted to, he is still amongst the best of his division and beats Scott Quigg if they meet.

Was surprised at the manner of the Quigg victory. i felt Martinez was going to be in with a real chance.  Need to watch the fight back but after the 1st round I thought Quigg had a tough night's work ahead of him.   Martinez could have been smarter and taken his time after the 1st knockdown rather than try get straight back up.  Flicked straight over to the Frampton fight and didn't see Martinez's post fight interview, not sure if he even did one but would be interested to hear his views on what happened.

He's always met the weight with no difficulty... Its just one of those fight seen him in Ulster Hall fighting a tall Scottish fighter which went the unexpected distance then also.... Lessons need to be learned when boxing these type of fighters, is this management?

[gallsman]

Moving up in weight doesn't make sense.  I could be wrong but I thought he had said in interview about a week before the fight he was making weight fairly easy.  He had a height and reach disadvantage last night, moving up in weight will make that a common occurrence.

Fighting outside of Belfast was always going to be a big step, he's returning with a victory and while he hasn't performed as he wanted to, he is still amongst the best of his division and beats Scott Quigg if they meet.

Was surprised at the manner of the Quigg victory. i felt Martinez was going to be in with a real chance.  Need to watch the fight back but after the 1st round I thought Quigg had a tough night's work ahead of him.   Martinez could have been smarter and taken his time after the 1st knockdown rather than try get straight back up.  Flicked straight over to the Frampton fight and didn't see Martinez's post fight interview, not sure if he even did one but would be interested to hear his views on what happened.

He's always met the weight with no difficulty... Its just one of those fight seen him in Ulster Hall fighting a tall Scottish fighter which went the unexpected distance then also.... Lessons need to be learned when boxing these type of fighters, is this management?

A lot of people wouldn't be convinced my McGuigan's style and tactics. There was a lot of "I made Carl" and "I brought Carl" in the interview shown before the fight. I'm not sure selling your soul to Al Haymon is the right answer either. If Frampton had been knocked out last night, I can't imagine rebuilding his career would have been high on Haymon's list of priorities.

[Christmas Lights]

Frampton was shown up tonight as an OK fighter. Same as McCloskey - he looks good against hand-picked warm-ups but as soon as you go looking for genuine fighters they'll struggle.

Its obviously a wind up comment from Oneill but I'll bite anyway.

Very unfair to say that Frampton is the same as McCloskey.  Number 1, McCloskey was only ever a good enough European level fighter and never held a world title which Frampton has. Number 2, McCloskey lacked the natural power at his weight to really trouble opponents, the same cannot be said of Frampton who has real clout when he plants his feet. 
I for one was glad to see Frampton being pushed to the pin of his collar, it maybe shows him now what level he needs to be at to compete at the very highest level and the knockdowns will show him that he is not invincible and has to be more aware of his defensive duties.  He also was very rash I felt in the pocket where he is normally so good.  Gonzalez could bang himself and sometimes Frampton got into a swinging match which at times you feared the worst on Saturday night if he got caught.  He will analyse the fight though, look at where he went wrong and improve upon it.  Thats how you progress at anything.  He is still undefeated and near enough dominated the rest of the fight after the first 2 rounds and several low blows.  Make no mistake about it, Gonzalez was one hardy boy who could take a punch and still keep coming.  Locals where apparently saying that this was going to be a lot closer fight than bookies and the general public thought.  Ill give credit to Frampton and think he can move onto bigger things from this.  He fought in El Paso, Texas at 4pm in the day and came away with the win.  There is a lot of positive to take from that.

I still think he beats Quigg.  I watched the Martinez-Quigg fight and to me, Martinez is damaged goods who is now afraid to take a punch.  Martinez also looked a little out of shape to me on Saturday night, looked a bit soft around the mid section, usually he is in pretty good shape.  After bullying Quigg for the first round, he went down as soon as Quigg landed the first decent punch on him in the 2nd round.  After that he didn't want to know and was glad to get out of there.  He hasn't been the same since he got knocked out against Frampton.             

[Milltown Row2]

Frampton was shown up tonight as an OK fighter. Same as McCloskey - he looks good against hand-picked warm-ups but as soon as you go looking for genuine fighters they'll struggle.

Its obviously a wind up comment from Oneill but I'll bite anyway.

Very unfair to say that Frampton is the same as McCloskey.  Number 1, McCloskey was only ever a good enough European level fighter and never held a world title which Frampton has. Number 2, McCloskey lacked the natural power at his weight to really trouble opponents, the same cannot be said of Frampton who has real clout when he plants his feet. 
I for one was glad to see Frampton being pushed to the pin of his collar, it maybe shows him now what level he needs to be at to compete at the very highest level and the knockdowns will show him that he is not invincible and has to be more aware of his defensive duties.  He also was very rash I felt in the pocket where he is normally so good.  Gonzalez could bang himself and sometimes Frampton got into a swinging match which at times you feared the worst on Saturday night if he got caught.  He will analyse the fight though, look at where he went wrong and improve upon it.  Thats how you progress at anything.  He is still undefeated and near enough dominated the rest of the fight after the first 2 rounds and several low blows.  Make no mistake about it, Gonzalez was one hardy boy who could take a punch and still keep coming.  Locals where apparently saying that this was going to be a lot closer fight than bookies and the general public thought.  Ill give credit to Frampton and think he can move onto bigger things from this.  He fought in El Paso, Texas at 4pm in the day and came away with the win.  There is a lot of positive to take from that.

I still think he beats Quigg.  I watched the Martinez-Quigg fight and to me, Martinez is damaged goods who is now afraid to take a punch.  Martinez also looked a little out of shape to me on Saturday night, looked a bit soft around the mid section, usually he is in pretty good shape.  After bullying Quigg for the first round, he went down as soon as Quigg landed the first decent punch on him in the 2nd round.  After that he didn't want to know and was glad to get out of there.  He hasn't been the same since he got knocked out against Frampton.           

Can't argue with that, there was mistakes by both parties I'd say in the Frampton/McGuigan camp, I felt that he never seemed up for the fight, no fire in the belly or focus .. Carl walked into one punch and Gonzalez caught him with a cracker for the second knockdown... It happens, What Carl did next was not panic tried various different ways of trying to break down his opponent , you are right when it got to the wild exchanges, I thought for sure he was going to get caught but Gonzalez was starting to slow down and Carl started connecting with more punches....

so lessons need to be taken from this, there are no real easy fights, never take a boxer for granted, Carl struggles against taller fighters so moving up a weight will be stupid, fight Quigg and get that monkey off his back... then go for Cruz, by then he'll have had a few defences and more than enough money to retire and enjoy his family time.

As for the McCloskey references ask someone with a bitta knowledge on boxing like Atticus Finch and he'll also back up what you said about McCloskey, watched McCloskey 2 times and he laboured in each fight, that was a silly/poor wind up by your man

[Christmas Lights]

Is it just me or does anyone else think Barry McGuigan is insufferable to listen to.  I cant warm to the man at all.