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I read in the paper today that Milltown Row started the riot.

That was me running on with my computer smashing it over the kids head, while headbutting the 'parent' who didn't jump the fence and smack the 15/16 year old. I tell ya, that's some going. I also punched all the kids I'm teaching, ignoring the responsibilities that a teacher has. Phewww all in the days work of a mad man.

Oh I'll probably never referee again........... No wait, I'm out this weekend. It's tough being an internet warrior who hides behind.... Oh that's right I don't hide and call myself Parent 

Belfast referee? Meaning he lives in Belfast, referees, and couldn't give a shite who wins. Maybe with you country ones it's different but most clubs in Belfast dont get on. Are you saying had he been from north Antrim he'd have sent them off and not bottled it?

Not you Gizzy.

Earlier I was told that my eye witness account wasn't credible because I didn't see eveything.

I'm getting caught up in the "Someone is wrong on the Internet" thing.

Sure I'm now in the Antrim Post, seems I'm worse that the lads that were doing the smacking kicking and striking!!! lol

I condemned the actions spoke out against them also, had a debate with someone on the bases that if someone came on to the pitch and struck a 16 year old that it would escalate the situation, that it was wrong and this was given a space in the paper, talk about not checking your facts or even taking the 5 mins to check the actual post/thread, Journo's have a life of it I tell ya

The sc**bag thug comment related to that and not the incident as we weren't even there ffs laughable if it weren't so serious.

[Glentaisie, this is a forum for debating, on most occasions people will debate on things they were not witness to, like the things going on in other countries, or the troubles or....... you get my point. Yes there was a report on it by someone who heard from someone, Chinese whispers, apparently I caused it all and have been at the centre of all things bad in Antrim as some parent said on the OFFICIAL ANTRIM BOARD. Again this person heard a story from one guy and so on.]

To Milltown Row

Glentaisie, this is a forum for debating, on most occasions people will debate on things they were not witness to, like the things going on in other countries, or the troubles or....... you get my point. Yes there was a report on it by someone who heard from someone, Chinese whispers, apparently I caused it all and have been at the centre of all things bad in Antrim as some parent said on the OFFICIAL ANTRIM BOARD. Again this person heard a story from one guy and so on.

I understand this.  I have been reading this forum for a couple of years now.  But having been there and having witnessed what I did  and then reading what I thought was ill-informed debate was what prompted me to register and post.  You caused it all?  I thought it was Loughgiel's fault.

You said you were there and I 'll take that at face value, why would I think any different? It's a terrible scene you have described, and not once has it been said by any posters on here to be anything other than atrocious. The wee debate with NAH was whether someone should jump the fence, it could have been about this incident  or anyother one (which it seems was the case) but NAH's stands by his reasoning and I'll stand by mine on it. it doesn't relate to what went on.... Phewwwww

I was there. Why would you think any different?  I have no connection to either the Carey club or the Armoy club and have no axe to grind against either St Paul's or Sarsfields. 
Maybe it's a North Antrim thing, but I would tend to sympathise with NAH's view.
One other thing.  The parent who allegedly jumped the fence (apparently that is certainly untrue) and assaulted the Gael's player (which apparently he denies) is someone that I have never heard referred to as a thug or bully boy.  Neither, as far as I know, is he some numpty who would be giving abuse from the wrong side of the fence each Sunday.  In fact his level of education might match your own, so no numpty surely?

Read my posts again, NAH said that he'd find it difficult to not jump the fence, I said that that would be daft as it would only escalate the problem. you agree with that? I think we can all say that if a parent (not relating this incident as it never happened)  come on to the pitch and hits a 15/16 year old will find himself in a bad light. I agreed with you saying you were there. I didn't call anyone a numpty, it was a general term for someone who would jump the fence and hit child, and I called a numpty a person who would give abuse to a referee. I didn't call the person who jumped the fence this as he apparently didn't jump the fence or hit anyone. What you have failed to say is nowhere in any of my posts have I tried to defend the actions of anyone involved in this and have said that the officials there will have seen everything and hopefully get everyone involved.

[Would it be unfair to say here that poorly prepared juvenile teams in Belfast might have teenagers who would be more susceptible to collectively cutting up rough when they don't posses the right skills to play the game hard and fair.]

The 2 incidents I can remember of blatant aggressive pulls to the head (have never seen a woman getting a Glasgow kiss or a player being kicked in the head) from the past we both done by NA hurlers. Both near misses thank god as both victims weren't wearing a lid. Both isolated incidents over 20 years ago now. 

Would it be unfair to say here that poorly prepared juvenile teams in Belfast might have teenagers who would be more susceptible to collectively cutting up rough when they don't posses the right skills to play the game hard and fair. We'd an U14 game abandoned a couple of years ago. There was a sinister pack mentality developed in the opposition after about 10-15 when decisions/the game wasn't running for them there was a string of treacherous wild pulls on our players. 4 players sent off in 5 mins. You could sense there was an understanding amongst the players that this was what had to be done for bragging rights. The lack of instruction from the line played a big part IMO.

Unfair? No just damn ridiculous!
This is true - but where the team is from is irrelevant!
Has there never been a juvenile team from the glens that was "poorly prepared, lacked skills, or didn't play hard but fair"
I can tell you there has been - and I have seen it.
I posted earlier that we shouldn't let geography cloud what happened - this is precisely what you have done!
Did it ever occur to you this is often how southerners view northern hurling? Glensmen included!
Sometimes people can be so blind they don't see their own prejudices. After all - read the posts and u will hear plenty about a grown adult pulling on heads and he is not from Belfast!
Take a step back and look in the mirror and be honest - that's a prejudiced comment.

As for glentaisie report - all shocking, none of it has any place in hurling or in life. I hope they are all dealt with as severely as possible.
But are you really reporting that not a single glenshesk person struck anyone or did anything in the wrong?
Your first post? Common sense tells me it's selective about what u saw or chose to report.

Poor innocent country boys assaulted by thugs from city while enjoying a friendly hurling game eh.
Nobody from the glens ever hit anyone, pulled a stick on someone, verbally abused anyone or jumped the wire.
Nobody. Ever.
All just pure hurling nice guys.

Look again we are getting into a them and us situation, pointless as said already we can point to loads of incidents from our own clubs were we have seen it first hand.

My view (If I'm allowed to have one without it being reported for being bad!!) is that this grade and minor is the worst to control, too bloody hyped up and think they are invincible, the mouthing back at the referee is to be heard to be believed, I don't stand for it myself and have sent lads off, slabbering will continue unless you do something about it. This match should have finished off handy enough with the lead they had, but something/someone sparked it of.

I'm surprised the referee didn't get the blame here for 'allowing it to happen'. Be a strange one legally to hit both clubs as it happened while the team is playing as amalgamation. minefield

Glentaisie, this is a forum for debating, on most occasions people will debate on things they were not witness to, like the things going on in other countries, or the troubles or....... you get my point. Yes there was a report on it by someone who heard from someone, Chinese whispers, apparently I caused it all and have been at the centre of all things bad in Antrim as some parent said on the OFFICIAL ANTRIM BOARD. Again this person heard a story from one guy and so on.

You said you were there and I 'll take that at face value, why would I think any different? It's a terrible scene you have described, and not once has it been said by any posters on here to be anything other than atrocious. The wee debate with NAH was whether someone should jump the fence, it could have been about this incident  or anyother one (which it seems was the case) but NAH's stands by his reasoning and I'll stand by mine on it. it doesn't relate to what went on.... Phewwwww

The 2 incidents I can remember of blatant aggressive pulls to the head (have never seen a woman getting a Glasgow kiss or a player being kicked in the head) from the past we both done by NA hurlers. Both near misses thank god as both victims weren't wearing a lid. Both isolated incidents over 20 years ago now. 

Would it be unfair to say here that poorly prepared juvenile teams in Belfast might have teenagers who would be more susceptible to collectively cutting up rough as they don't posses the right skills to play the game hard and fair. We'd an U14 game abandoned a couple of years ago. There was a sinister pack mentality developed in the opposition after about 10-15 when decisions/the game wasn't running for them there was a string of treacherous wild pulls on our players. 4 players sent off in 5 mins. You could sense there was an understanding amongst the players that this was what had to be done for bragging rights. The lack of instruction from the line played a big part IMO.

I wasn't at the game but heard about it Skull, involved my club. I personally haven't ever used that type of tactics and wouldn't be involved with a team that used them. While being a corner back for years I was never an angel but always went for the ball. Hard but fair

Been removed, strange that

The fact that they let that be posted suggests our county website admin has an axe to grind too.

Yeah, they have had it in for this site for years, I don't actually think they read any of the comments on here

Below are post realated to the craic in Glenariffe, for those who can't be arsed reading through pages to actually see what I posted on it it's here. He said she said can give people the wrong idea.

Bad craic, ya can't go headbutting people ffs, must have been some nut job ffs

Quote from: Minder on October 05, 2013, 07:42:21 PM
Was talking to someone at it and he said it was the worst he has seen on a pitch, players supporters and mentors all fighting on the pitch. As for the young Belfast Gaels player that head butted the female photographer........

A f**king joke

Under 16's ffs, too many e numbers, the amount of games where the lads at that age get carried away is nuts. It just takes one thing to kick off. Ya need to blow for every challenge to ensure there is no niggles going on

They are the ones usually egging them on ffs, head da balls, I canny wait to hear who's involved and whats done about it

In my day ya really didn't see too many parents turning up for the games, the obvious ones were of course club men who's sons played, outside of that there wasn't many there, now ffs ya can't get them off the line, and in most cases never played the game but are telling the manager what to do!!! Telling their kids to 'get him son'!!

My dad turned up for a few games, wasn't a Gaa man at all, got him to go to a football semi final once, a fight broke out, I'm in the middle of it, as I got in the car to go home my dad hit me a clip round the ear for fighting!! That's the way it was

All clubs have a code of conduct for supporters at games, nothing is ever done to these parents when they break those rules, through maybe fear of that parent taking Johnny away to another club!! 

If Some animal pulled across the head of my kid I would struggle to contain myself to. That's one time where emotion overriding logic and rules could be forgiven

That's exactly why there's so much of this crap year after year in Antrim. U-16 grade was by far the worst for it, in my experience.
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Yes that's a ridiculous statement north antrim hound ffs. The parents coming on to the pitch will only make a bad situation worse. No f**king need


No one is saying that, jumping over the fence is wrong, it's been done (lad getting hit) and jumping the fence won't make any difference. 2 wrongs don't make a right. And if the referee didn't see it doesn't mean the person walks, I'd imagine there was umpires and lines men there along with wee Joe on the line. The parent running on and slapping a 16 year old is as big a sc**bag as the thug who hit the lad with the stick

Yes we all have it and we all have selected memories of our own players pulling on players from behind, what happens on the pitch should be between those players. People coming on from the sidelines is wrong every time, an adult coming on to the pitch could do serious harm also NAH could even kill someone!!


That's a lot of guess work NAH, I could guess that this clampit does this every week I could also guess he is gives abuse every week to other team players referees ffs, I can guess that as like you I don't know him nor do I know HS's report is accurate.

A lot of 'jumping' to conclusions. Protecting your son after he was hit is impossible retaliating and smacking a 16 or younger lad is also GBH you can see that? Tell me you know it's wrong on every level please


I have condemned it, I called him a thug, which thug is the worst?

So you didn't see it also?

The topic went off on a tangent about people running on to the pitch and was it the right thing to do or not? and how (I feel) it would only escalate the problem. No one said they were there, no one was adding 2 and 2 together.

There were plenty of officials there to make the right calls and hopefully get all involved


I said he was a thug, seriously? Are they adults now? In any occasion be it this or the any other incident the person who comes in and retaliates is always going to escalate it. I remember a match at casement were a player stepped back and drew on a player across the knee, that player was out for a year or so, nobody jumped the fence that day. Maybe his da wasn't there or his dad thought better of jumping the fence

I was at the two U16 games on Sunday as our own boys were involved after. The Belfast Geals player pulled him across the head twice and then another kicked him after running on.Almost Domino effect across the pitch as Belfast Geals players attacked Glenshesk ones.The parent in question then left the sideline and went to the aid of his son who was laying on the ground being stamped on.He pushed the Gaels players away as did other parents across the pitch it was at this stage cries went up from gaels parents about him "striking". Missed the reporter being headbutted and hit but heard them shouting at her to get her tits out etc.Disgraceful behaviour from gaels.Also mr2 catch yourself on.Defending your buddies from the city when they are clearly in the wrong.If rumours are to be believed Owen Elliot collecting photos of injuries to Glenshesk players and finding out about their trips to A+E. Also worth noting that St Johns players were at similar carry on off the ball in our own game although not quite to the same extent.

Hurler, like this parent guy, read through my posts and highight were I have defended anyone in this. Again full of shite

[I am extremely disappointed to read the postings of Milltown Row on the GAA Discussion Board Antrim Hurling thread.What I glean is that he is a referee, maybe a teacher but the nature and content of his postings reflects poorly on both those positions of responsibility.I would suggest that his contributions with regard to this incident and the derogatory way he refers to fellow GAA members be noted by the appropriate authority within Antrim GAA.]

Just saw this on Antrim website


Name : Parent 06 October 2013
I would understand that there will be a comprehensive investigation into what happened on Saturday in Glenariffe.
We should be grateful that this serious incident did not have a more serious outcome. Comment, opinion etc is one thing and needs to be measured so that we can learn to deal with this sub culture of violence. That behoves us all as adults and goes beyond the apportionment of blame , ridicule and sanctions. The duty of care for children in these situations is paramount and a gross breach of that was in evidence on Saturday.
Fortunately Joe Edwards was there to witness first hand the appalling scenes.
It is in that context that I hope the investigative process in some way helps to guide us towards respect and tolerance for one another. Sport and the GAA is a great medium and a learning process to inculcate values of honesty,integrity, tolerance - through wining and losing.
I am extremely disappointed to read the postings of Milltown Row on the GAA Discussion Board Antrim Hurling thread.
What I glean is that he is a referee, maybe a teacher but the nature and content of his postings reflects poorly on both those positions of responsibility.
I would suggest that his contributions with regard to this incident and the derogatory way he refers to fellow GAA members be noted by the appropriate authority within Antrim GAA.
I have the utmost respect for the work and the good work done by refeeres. They are not responsible for a culture where this violent behaviour seems to be an option .
Thank you

Like I give a shite what this 'parent' posts. I've posted nothing I wouldn't say to someones face, unlike this glipe, I'm unsure of what it is that reflects poorly on both these positions

Anyone doing the GR8 Dundrum Run at the weekend?

What distance is the Dundrum run and does it include those horrific sand dunes?!  I was supposed to run the Armagh 10 mile this Sunday coming but didn't get the entry form in on time.

8 miles, yeah part beach and other terain

we know the Ref didn't hit him MR2   But he let a player batter him 4/5 times without any action.  And the lad finally done what he has looked to have set out to do.    Pointless game.  Can't see the reason behind it.  Joey was only 1 of 4 lads from championship team to play.  And is now out of ulster championship because the ref couldn't keep up with play to actually see what was going on

It's a bummer, pointless game for yous, Ports needed a win to stay up, not pointless for them. 

The Lamhs player lost his finger in a match, accident but serious injury, a lad from Gorts lost his testical in a match this year from being struck by the ball, all accidents. Joey won't be the first to get a whack on the hand and have it broke and he won't be the last, had the referee booked him after the first couple of hits the lad would probably get him the next couple. 

Like I've said we could bring up players from all clubs that have 'done' someone during a game, lets not get into that eh?

Joey nearly had his hand removed yesterday. And no cultec involved. Just constant fouling/battering in which ref never picked up on.    Broke in shite. 8/10 weeks for the poor lad.      Nag I wasn't being smart.  Was just looking your take on it.

Apparently the ref was a disgrace as well as the perpetrators. Joey is disgusted by it.

The referee didn't strike him ffs, Hugh been refereeing for a while and is come across a a decent fella, would question his counting skills at times but woudn't favour a team over another, Ports generally not a dirty team

Their half time team talk was overheard and went along the lines of "pull whether they've the ball or not."

This was after they smashed Joey's hand to sh*te. The ref did nothing about it. Maybe he had an off day, let's hope so.

I've overheard plenty of 'pull on the ball whether they have it or not' over the years, your own club included ffs, stop with the whiter than white attitude. There is always a muppet on the line or a player that will say daft things like that, it's not done that much at senior level, but it happens, heard and seen it as a player, and the same as a referee, I've pulled a few managers over their behaviour during a game.

Playing ports there was only one lad that I'd would have said was intent on giving the lash, he was on his own though, ginger haired lad NAG? last game I done he was playing for the reserves at fb. Don't you be jumping the fence or encouraging someone to break his hand now when the visit next year

Joey should hopefully recover for the semi final

Joey nearly had his hand removed yesterday. And no cultec involved. Just constant fouling/battering in which ref never picked up on.    Broke in shite. 8/10 weeks for the poor lad.      Nag I wasn't being smart.  Was just looking your take on it.

Apparently the ref was a disgrace as well as the perpetrators. Joey is disgusted by it.

The referee didn't strike him ffs, Hugh been refereeing for a while and is come across a a decent fella, would question his counting skills at times but woudn't favour a team over another, Ports generally not a dirty team