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Any predictions on how many pages this thread will reach. Time to head for home.

I believe things happen every so often and Ross will beat Mayo in three weeks time.

We needed to freshen it up at least, we didn't and one positive out of a middlin league campaign was gibbons who is now injured with a broken ankle I'm told.

Roscommon have a far better forward line than ours and they will be fired up for this one like 2001, this is there chance to prove "the best is yet to come" and I have a horrible feeling they will.

Our line out is still the crux of what Horan started out with ,it's stale now at this stage . I will not forget the times this set up has given us the last three years , never in my wildest notions did I think we'd have a run like we have had coming out of Pearse park in 2010, yes we didn't win Sam but sure that's nothing new in these eras we have had since 88/89.

Roscommon by 4 points in an intense game is my prediction and for our boys to give it their all like they have done for three years now.

So onto the next game Mayo arguably the 2nd best team in Ireland will be expected to win and win this game well. Competitive is the key word for us & if we are we'll see where it takes us.

Quote from: ross4life on May 18, 2014, 06:52:57 PM
So onto the next game Mayo arguably the 2nd best team in Ireland will be expected to win and win this game well. Competitive is the key word for us & if we are we'll see where it takes us.

Mayo are no longer second best team in the country, the Derry game proved that beyond doubt. We have ran our course and most people are starting to realise that,as said in previous ,they owe us nothing and have punched well above their weight as a team.

Where will Ross/ Galway final be held? Castlebar maybe?

Quote from: larryin89 on May 18, 2014, 06:57:22 PM

Quote from: ross4life on May 18, 2014, 06:52:57 PM
So onto the next game Mayo arguably the 2nd best team in Ireland will be expected to win and win this game well. Competitive is the key word for us & if we are we'll see where it takes us.

Mayo are no longer second best team in the country, the Derry game proved that beyond doubt. We have ran our course and most people are starting to realise that,as said in previous ,they owe us nothing and have punched well above their weight as a team.

Where will Ross/ Galway final be held? Castlebar maybe?

There's still time for the big P to swing this one for McHale too.

Would be fantastic if we got to the final and got a neutral venue, it's Galway's turn for a home game.

Larry, as i read your posts, i could almost hear the violins in the background...Mayo beat Ros by 12 points a year ago. To reduce that deficit by half would probably be as good as we can hope for. Most people inside and outside the 2 counties expect nothing but a Mayo win.. The hope would be to avoid a collapse like last year, and have the team's spirits still up going into the qualifiers.

Mayo will be vulnerable in this game. I think that the training this year will be geared towards peaking later in the summer and this is a true test that they might not be ready for. Evans will have his troops raring to go before a packed Hyde and that might be just enough to lower our colours.

Chimley, i don't know about a packed Hyde. I expected a bigger crowd at the game today, considering the rivalry between the two counties.

Quote from: larryin89 on May 18, 2014, 06:31:28 PM
I believe things happen every so often and Ross will beat Mayo in three weeks time.

We needed to freshen it up at least, we didn't and one positive out of a middlin league campaign was gibbons who is now injured with a broken ankle I'm told.

Roscommon have a far better forward line than ours and they will be fired up for this one like 2001, this is there chance to prove "the best is yet to come" and I have a horrible feeling they will.

Our line out is still the crux of what Horan started out with ,it's stale now at this stage . I will not forget the times this set up has given us the last three years , never in my wildest notions did I think we'd have a run like we have had coming out of Pearse park in 2010, yes we didn't win Sam but sure that's nothing new in these eras we have had since 88/89.

Roscommon by 4 points in an intense game is my prediction and for our boys to give it their all like they have done for three years now.

This is precisely the level of profundity I expected in this thread.

Mayo to win this game by eight or more points. Are Galway good enough to challenge Mayo this year or will they have another stroll to the quarter finals this summer?

Mayo to swat Ros away by half time. Then bate Sligo in the final.
But there'll be no comfort in drink or sleep if they don't win the all Ireland.
It is such a cruel business.     

Maybe Atleti can inspire them. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CWQEcs5R7g

no es facil de explicar

Quote from: Shrewdness on May 18, 2014, 07:10:51 PM
Larry, as i read your posts, i could almost hear the violins in the background...Mayo beat Ros by 12 points a year ago. To reduce that deficit by half would probably be as good as we can hope for. Most people inside and outside the 2 counties expect nothing but a Mayo win.. The hope would be to avoid a collapse like last year, and have the team's spirits still up going into the qualifiers.

Roscommon had a much better League campaign this year, plus ye are at home this year unlike last year, must count for something..

Would Mayo be better off if they lost this game?

Quote from: Jinxy on May 19, 2014, 10:05:20 AM
Would Mayo be better off if they lost this game?

Yes

Quote from: Jinxy on May 19, 2014, 10:05:20 AM
Would Mayo be better off if they lost this game?

No. Last year we came flying out of the traps and swatted everyone aside all the way up to the semi-final where we struggled against Tyrone and then capitulated against Dublin. The curve certainly went south after the QF rout of Donegal even though injuries played a part.
Dublin on the other hand were not overly impressive against Meath in the Leinster final or Cork in the QF but hit their peak against Kerry.
What would be ideal is to get past Roscommon without impressing and building momentum afterwards. This is not easy to do as Roscommon are building into a very fine side and if we're undercooked, we could come a cropper very fast.

After poor game against Derry in the league, Mayo will want to re-establish their championship credentials and wrap up Connacht fairly easily. Expect them to blast out of the traps against Ross and have a match-winning lead built up by half-time. Still 2 divisions between these teams despite our progress and that shows on a championship day. Mayo stronger in most positions and will take a serious team to the Hyde. Rossies will look to be competitive as long as possible, and try to keep the game alive.

We scored 6 points in the 2nd half yesterday against a Division 4 team.We will not beat Mayo and will be happy enough to keep within 6.

Mayo will be a big step in class from anything we have faced so far in 2014. We all know, that barring a sensation, Mayo will win this game. What Ros need to do is put in a good performance to keep up morale etc heading to the qualifiers, where we could prove a handful for a lot of teams travelling the same route.

The Rossies are only itching to get to the qualifiers so they can take the bus on tour.

In all honesty, this is a game Mayo should win by 3-5 points. The Rossies are improving and being at home will be worth a couple of points but on paper Mayo look to be too good for them.

However, if Mayo are as lethargic as they were in second half of the league semi-final against Derry, then Roscommon will beat us pulling up - this is the fourth year on the go for this team and it will catch up with them at some point. At some stage in the second half, the game will be there to be won and if the Mayo lads don't want it enough then we'll have the Rossies on here crowing for weeks about thwarting our four-in-a-row.  >:(

We wouldn't be ''crowing for weeks''. It would be years!!

Quote from: Shrewdness on May 19, 2014, 12:49:33 PM
We wouldn't be ''crowing for weeks''. It would be years!!

Even if it was only weeks, it'd probably seem like years!!

Quote from: Shrewdness on May 19, 2014, 12:49:33 PM
We wouldn't be ''crowing for weeks''. It would be years*!!

*Decades in the case of Syfin

Absolutely not worth the hassle of getting beaten by Ros who turn out to be subsequent cannon fodder for some other midlands mediocrity   

We are in group b of the qualifiers which is a lot tougher than group a.
If we fall through that trapdoor we could end up meeting our friends from Tyrone again.A nightmare scenario.

Quote from: seafoid on May 19, 2014, 02:14:13 PM

Quote from: Shrewdness on May 19, 2014, 12:49:33 PM
We wouldn't be ''crowing for weeks''. It would be years*!!

*Decades in the case of Syfin

Absolutely not worth the hassle of getting beaten by Ros who turn out to be subsequent cannon fodder for some other midlands mediocrity   

It twill not be long now until u boys are familiarising urselves with mediocrity.

Quote from: Collie Brolly on May 19, 2014, 06:16:22 PM

Quote from: seafoid on May 19, 2014, 02:14:13 PM

Quote from: Shrewdness on May 19, 2014, 12:49:33 PM
We wouldn't be ''crowing for weeks''. It would be years*!!

*Decades in the case of Syfin

Absolutely not worth the hassle of getting beaten by Ros who turn out to be subsequent cannon fodder for some other midlands mediocrity   

It twill not be long now until u boys are familiarising urselves with mediocrity.

It's worth waiting for la decima

Quote from: macdanger2 on May 19, 2014, 12:18:41 PM
Rossies on here crowing for weeks about thwarting our four-in-a-row.  >:(

four-in-a-row you say? we have been there done that and unfortunately we couldn't bring home Sam back then. The main question is are Mayo going to do likewise when ye win four-in-a-row this summer?

Mayo need a Champions league style format with regular matches against the top teams and none of this playing Ros in "The Hyde ™ ".
Ros is a great bunch of lads and everything with a fine bus etc but they are not going to be around in August. 

Hang on now , if you think I'm trying to do the aul play down our chances thing , you're mistaken,I genuinely believe we will be beat, my gawd I hope we are not , that goes without saying.

The last time we played in the Hyde, we were lucky, Cillian converted his frees and Donie shine didn't ,there was only a couple of points in it , if my memory serves me right. Sligo came very close in 12 to beating us in the Hyde too and we got the rub of the green there too , awarded a point that was wide.

Of course Mayo will be odds on but what odds would you of got in 1952 in McHale park for the Ross to beat the back to back all Ireland champions?

Quote from: larryin89 on May 19, 2014, 07:36:32 PM
Hang on now , if you think I'm trying to do the aul play down our chances thing , you're mistaken,I genuinely believe we will be beat, my gawd I hope we are not , that goes without saying.

The last time we played in the Hyde, we were lucky, Cillian converted his frees and Donie shine didn't ,there was only a couple of points in it , if my memory serves me right. Sligo came very close in 12 to beating us in the Hyde too and we got the rub of the green there too , awarded a point that was wide.

Of course Mayo will be odds on but what odds would you of got in 1952 in McHale park for the Ross to beat the back to back all Ireland champions?

I think ur doin exactly that Larry,playin down ur chances.

Quote from: seafoid on May 19, 2014, 07:19:44 PM
Mayo need a Champions league style format with regular matches against the top teams and none of this playing Ros in "The Hyde ™ ".
Ros is a great bunch of lads and everything with a fine bus etc but they are not going to be around in August.

Hon the fishies!

Ros need to keep it within 2-3 points or they will play div 3 again in 2016
Mayo need to win playing within themselves or they may not even see Sept this year.

If we can get within 5 or 6 points of the hoors we'll be doing well  :-\
Still it will be a day out and might help Johneen to see what some of the newer bucks are made out of before we start our run in the Qualifiers.

Surely Diarmuid Murtagh is worth a starting place against Mayo..

Gibbons having a scan tomorrow on the ankle.

Quote from: Shrewdness on May 19, 2014, 09:08:38 PM
Surely Diarmuid Murtagh is worth a starting place against Mayo..

So is his brother and despite Senan's sub out for Diarmuid it's probably a straight race between the two brothers for one spot.

Crazy that we have a selection headache between two quality young inside forwards after all the trouble we've had up front.

We can more than match Mayo on the front foot. If the middle catches fire we have a shot at putting the final nail in Horan's era. Huge respect for what he has done in the last few years but few things would be as sweet as a win on June 8th.

Quote from: moysider on May 19, 2014, 09:15:36 PM

Gibbons having a scan tomorrow on the ankle.

Would be a blow for the lad if hes out for a while however with the two O'Sheas,Parsons and Barry Moran its not that Mayo are lacking options in the midfield department.

Quote from: Shrewdness on May 19, 2014, 09:08:38 PM
Surely Diarmuid Murtagh is worth a starting place against Mayo..

Would it be wise to start a teenager against physical and experienced defenders like Tom Cunniffe,Ger Cafferkey? I think Roscommon should play Cregg at 11 and D Shine 14.

Quote from: Syferus on May 19, 2014, 09:24:48 PM

Quote from: Shrewdness on May 19, 2014, 09:08:38 PM
Surely Diarmuid Murtagh is worth a starting place against Mayo..

So is his brother and despite Senan's sub out for Diarmuid it's probably a straight race between the two brothers for one spot.

Crazy that we have a selection headache between two quality young inside forwards after all the trouble we've had up front.

We can more than match Mayo on the front foot. If the middle catches fire we have a shot at putting the final nail in Horan's era. Huge respect for what he has done in the last few years but few things would be as sweet as a win on June 8th.

You are not an estate agent by any chance ?

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Quote from: Syferus on May 19, 2014, 09:24:48 PM

Quote from: Shrewdness on May 19, 2014, 09:08:38 PM
Surely Diarmuid Murtagh is worth a starting place against Mayo..

So is his brother and despite Senan's sub out for Diarmuid it's probably a straight race between the two brothers for one spot.

Crazy that we have a selection headache between two quality young inside forwards after all the trouble we've had up front.

We can more than match Mayo on the front foot. If the middle catches fire we have a shot at putting the final nail in Horan's era. Huge respect for what he has done in the last few years but few things would be as sweet as a win on June 8th.

You are not an estate agent by any chance ?

Ming #1.

Quote from: Syferus on May 19, 2014, 09:44:08 PM

Quote from: seafoid on May 19, 2014, 09:43:03 PM

Quote from: Syferus on May 19, 2014, 09:24:48 PM

Quote from: Shrewdness on May 19, 2014, 09:08:38 PM
Surely Diarmuid Murtagh is worth a starting place against Mayo..

So is his brother and despite Senan's sub out for Diarmuid it's probably a straight race between the two brothers for one spot.

Crazy that we have a selection headache between two quality young inside forwards after all the trouble we've had up front.

We can more than match Mayo on the front foot. If the middle catches fire we have a shot at putting the final nail in Horan's era. Huge respect for what he has done in the last few years but few things would be as sweet as a win on June 8th.

You are not an estate agent by any chance ?

Ming #1.

Minging

Quote from: seafoid on May 19, 2014, 09:48:51 PM

Quote from: Syferus on May 19, 2014, 09:44:08 PM

Quote from: seafoid on May 19, 2014, 09:43:03 PM

Quote from: Syferus on May 19, 2014, 09:24:48 PM

Quote from: Shrewdness on May 19, 2014, 09:08:38 PM
Surely Diarmuid Murtagh is worth a starting place against Mayo..

So is his brother and despite Senan's sub out for Diarmuid it's probably a straight race between the two brothers for one spot.

Crazy that we have a selection headache between two quality young inside forwards after all the trouble we've had up front.

We can more than match Mayo on the front foot. If the middle catches fire we have a shot at putting the final nail in Horan's era. Huge respect for what he has done in the last few years but few things would be as sweet as a win on June 8th.

You are not an estate agent by any chance ?

Ming #1.

Minging

I hear he's pro Palestinian too like. G'wan Sea, you know you want to support the West Ros man.

Quote from: seafoid on May 19, 2014, 09:43:03 PM

Quote from: Syferus on May 19, 2014, 09:24:48 PM

Quote from: Shrewdness on May 19, 2014, 09:08:38 PM
Surely Diarmuid Murtagh is worth a starting place against Mayo..

So is his brother and despite Senan's sub out for Diarmuid it's probably a straight race between the two brothers for one spot.

Crazy that we have a selection headache between two quality young inside forwards after all the trouble we've had up front.

We can more than match Mayo on the front foot. If the middle catches fire we have a shot at putting the final nail in Horan's era. Huge respect for what he has done in the last few years but few things would be as sweet as a win on June 8th.

You are not an estate agent by any chance ?

More like Alice in Wonderlannd and the mad hatter ... words mean whatever I say they mean or something like that as long as you don't get your middle burnt in the fire or sit on Horan's nail.

Quote from: Syferus on May 19, 2014, 09:51:08 PM

Quote from: seafoid on May 19, 2014, 09:48:51 PM

Quote from: Syferus on May 19, 2014, 09:44:08 PM

Quote from: seafoid on May 19, 2014, 09:43:03 PM

Quote from: Syferus on May 19, 2014, 09:24:48 PM

Quote from: Shrewdness on May 19, 2014, 09:08:38 PM
Surely Diarmuid Murtagh is worth a starting place against Mayo..

So is his brother and despite Senan's sub out for Diarmuid it's probably a straight race between the two brothers for one spot.

Crazy that we have a selection headache between two quality young inside forwards after all the trouble we've had up front.

We can more than match Mayo on the front foot. If the middle catches fire we have a shot at putting the final nail in Horan's era. Huge respect for what he has done in the last few years but few things would be as sweet as a win on June 8th.

You are not an estate agent by any chance ?

Ming #1.

Minging

I hear he's pro Palestinian too like. G'wan Sea, you know you want to support the West Ros man.

Ming isn't too bad. He stands up for the people who elected him. Why would he want to get out now though? Surely he's needed at home.
The European Parliament is a very big pond with virtually no influence on the economic decision making that counts.   

I'm sure John Evans will select Ciaran Murtagh for the Mayo game. When Ros beat Mayo in the FBD League last January, Murtagh scored 1-4.. Just feel that his brother should be let off the leash.

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Quote from: Syferus on May 19, 2014, 09:51:08 PM

Quote from: seafoid on May 19, 2014, 09:48:51 PM

Quote from: Syferus on May 19, 2014, 09:44:08 PM

Quote from: seafoid on May 19, 2014, 09:43:03 PM

Quote from: Syferus on May 19, 2014, 09:24:48 PM

Quote from: Shrewdness on May 19, 2014, 09:08:38 PM
Surely Diarmuid Murtagh is worth a starting place against Mayo..

So is his brother and despite Senan's sub out for Diarmuid it's probably a straight race between the two brothers for one spot.

Crazy that we have a selection headache between two quality young inside forwards after all the trouble we've had up front.

We can more than match Mayo on the front foot. If the middle catches fire we have a shot at putting the final nail in Horan's era. Huge respect for what he has done in the last few years but few things would be as sweet as a win on June 8th.

You are not an estate agent by any chance ?

Ming #1.

Minging

I hear he's pro Palestinian too like. G'wan Sea, you know you want to support the West Ros man.

Ming isn't too bad. He stands up for the people who elected him. Why would he want to get out now though? Surely he's needed at home.
The European Parliament is a very big pond with virtually no influence on the economic decision making that counts.

Fine Gael looking to put lane duck Feighan in the speaker seat. Ming jumping before he's pushed.

Quote from: Syferus on May 19, 2014, 09:24:48 PM

Quote from: Shrewdness on May 19, 2014, 09:08:38 PM
Surely Diarmuid Murtagh is worth a starting place against Mayo..

So is his brother and despite Senan's sub out for Diarmuid it's probably a straight race between the two brothers for one spot.

Crazy that we have a selection headache between two quality young inside forwards after all the trouble we've had up front.

We can more than match Mayo on the front foot. If the middle catches fire we have a shot at putting the final nail in Horan's era. Huge respect for what he has done in the last few years but few things would be as sweet as a win on June 8th.

Mayo should not lose this but it is no gimmie either.

In a way I m glad now about the no-show v Derry and the capitulation v Dublin14men. If we had a lovely league we would be soft for this. After Derry there was a lot of  finger pointing and that is no bad thing. Mayo cannot peak for this but they realise now that they have to raise their game from the league mediocrity and you d expect them to bring a high tempo game to the Hyde. Roscommon will have to set up to deal with that and if they do and are close after 60 mins they can win. Unfortunately Mayo s bench unlikely to win a game.

Weeks to go yet and God know s what injuries will clear up and new ones may happen. Our midfield warchest badly dented with Seamie, Gibbons and Big Barry all cracked to some degree. Shane McHale also injured and Chris Barrett hasn t played since September. Just as well we got Gavin Duffy ;)

It looks like Roscommon fans consider their forwards better than ours. Fair enough but Mayo forwards are judged on how they go in September. Some of them have done jobs in Connacht before. On the other hand Roscommon forwards will find themselves against a Div.1 defence. And before people start pointing out the amount of goals we conceded during the league, I can t see us being as slack in championship. If Mayo can dominate midfield those Ros forwards will hopefully be starved of ball. If Roscommon do well at midfield maybe we ve learned to drop off and clog things up.

If Roscommon win good luck to them and it will be the end of another glorious failure era for Mayo. Some Mayo supporters are suggesting that Mayo would be better off losing to Roscommon because Horan would then have a liscence to cull some players and revitalise the team with different players. This is flawed imo. Horan has already had weaknesses in this team showed up but has always ended up going back to the same players. As a result of his conservatism Horan has painted himself into a corner with this team. If we lose there is no way of changing things. There s nobody new. Oh wait..... there s Gavin Duffy. He might be very badly needed.

Quote from: Shrewdness on May 19, 2014, 09:08:38 PM
Surely Diarmuid Murtagh is worth a starting place against Mayo..

Barring injury it will line out the same as the team that started yesterday imo.

Quote from: Collie Brolly on May 19, 2014, 11:31:16 PM

Quote from: Shrewdness on May 19, 2014, 09:08:38 PM
Surely Diarmuid Murtagh is worth a starting place against Mayo..

Barring injury it will line out the same as the team that started yesterday imo.

If Conoreen is fit he'll push any HB or WF.

Moysider you are the same poster that said back in September that Mayos 2nd string side would win Connacht yet now Mayo don't have the bench and are concerned with a few injury niggles?
Mayo are very unlikely to lose this game or lose their Connacht crown however if they did it might be a blessing in disguise it was for Tyrone 08,Kerry 09 and Galway 01 when they took the scenic routes.

Agree with you Moysider when you say that Ros forwards will be up against a Div 1 defence..That will sort the men from the boys in the Ros forwards. Some of those forwards didn't play well against Mayo in 2011 or last year. Mayo have been operating at a higher level in recent years and would be a more streetwise team..One thing for sure is that this game will tell us how much progress John Evans has really made in 12 months.

Quote from: Blowitupref on May 19, 2014, 11:35:31 PM
Moysider you are the same poster that said back in September that Mayos 2nd string side would win Connacht yet now Mayo don't have the bench and are concerned with a few injury niggles?
Mayo are very unlikely to lose this game or lose their Connacht crown however if they did it might be a blessing in disguise it was for Tyrone 08,Kerry 09 and Galway 01 when they took the scenic routes.

I don t remember saying that but if ye can quote me on that I ll plead guilty as charged. I doubt I disrespected ny neighbours like that but if I did give me the quote and I ll hand in my gun and badge.

The other thing is though is that Mayo dont really have a second string. It s just a very long first string.

I don t think Mayo are anyway suitable for a scenic route. The teams you mentioned above were winners. This Mayo team will digest themselves from inside out with another loss. Not concerned by injuries as such but it s eyeballs out for us now until it ends. First loss it s all over. Lose this and its deckchairs on the Titanic. No complaints. Horan has been loyal to this group of players and he s either going to sink or swim with them. There is going to be no second act here if the first one fails.

Quote from: Syferus on May 19, 2014, 11:33:26 PM

Quote from: Collie Brolly on May 19, 2014, 11:31:16 PM

Quote from: Shrewdness on May 19, 2014, 09:08:38 PM
Surely Diarmuid Murtagh is worth a starting place against Mayo..

Barring injury it will line out the same as the team that started yesterday imo.

If Conoreen is fit he'll push any HB or WF.

If he wasn't fit to make the bench on Sunday,no way he will be fit for the rhubarbs in 3 wks.

I'd expect Enda and Diarmuid to be pushing for a place although he may opt to keep the pressure off them by not starting them.
We'll need lively forwards when we face the Rhus Div 1 defence. You couldn't accuse Donie Shine or Senan of being lively unfortunately.

Rossies not trying to derail the thread but I thought shine was quiet yday from play and his frees not as clinical as usual, what's he been like all year? Murtagh looks a serious talent if Ros can get the ball into him, ive always rated senan Kilbride as Roscommon best forward and he showed glimpses why against Leitrim, what a beauty of a left foot. . Roscommons defence gives up to much space and Leitrim were wasteful, so many unseen runs or passes which would damaged Ros,  Ye really need to tighten up or filter men back quicker. Having said it time for this Roscommon team to deliver at senior and I think ye'll up it another few levels the next day in terms of intensity. Roscommon should really rattle mayo IMO, I just can't see this one being one sided and I'm looking forward to it, I think really it's the Connacht final tbh especially with Ros at home. Hope it's a good game.

Quote from: Rossfan on May 20, 2014, 12:37:57 PM
I'd expect Enda and Diarmuid to be pushing for a place although he may opt to keep the pressure off them by not starting them.
We'll need lively forwards when we face the Rhus Div 1 defence. You couldn't accuse Donie Shine or Senan of being lively unfortunately.

You could accuse them of being quality players though.

Mayo will be a lot more worried about the lads who can score with a lad on top of them than any amount of 'lively' (whatever that is) buckaroos.

Quote from: moysider on May 20, 2014, 12:47:02 AM

Quote from: Blowitupref on May 19, 2014, 11:35:31 PM
Moysider you are the same poster that said back in September that Mayos 2nd string side would win Connacht yet now Mayo don't have the bench and are concerned with a few injury niggles?
Mayo are very unlikely to lose this game or lose their Connacht crown however if they did it might be a blessing in disguise it was for Tyrone 08,Kerry 09 and Galway 01 when they took the scenic routes.

I don t remember saying that but if ye can quote me on that I ll plead guilty as charged. I doubt I disrespected ny neighbours like that but if I did give me the quote and I ll hand in my gun and badge.

The other thing is though is that Mayo dont really have a second string. It s just a very long first string.

I don t think Mayo are anyway suitable for a scenic route. The teams you mentioned above were winners. This Mayo team will digest themselves from inside out with another loss. Not concerned by injuries as such but it s eyeballs out for us now until it ends. First loss it s all over. Lose this and its deckchairs on the Titanic. No complaints. Horan has been loyal to this group of players and he s either going to sink or swim with them. There is going to be no second act here if the first one fails.

Galway lost the previous year's AIF and in 98 they beat Kildare which is less mentally taxing than beating other teams , it would appear.
I don't think they were classed as winners then, any more than Mayo would not be.  It's down to dynamics on the day and over the season.
Meath were unbackable for the final as well. 

Sligonian, you're correct in saying that Shine didn't play well last Sunday. Cregg didn't either..The Ros defence only conceded 0-4 from open play, with Leitrim getting the rest from frees. Several of those were harsh/soft with a few even moved in closer. The ref was Leitrim's best performer in the first half.. Thankfully, none of Sunday's injuries are serious. Of more concern is an upcoming round of league games in Ros where hopefully the panel will emerge unscathed.

Quote from: Shrewdness on May 20, 2014, 02:25:54 PM
Sligonian, you're correct in saying that Shine didn't play well last Sunday. Cregg didn't either..The Ros defence only conceded 0-4 from open play, with Leitrim getting the rest from frees. Several of those were harsh/soft with a few even moved in closer. The ref was Leitrim's best performer in the first half.. Thankfully, none of Sunday's injuries are serious. Of more concern is an upcoming round of league games in Ros where hopefully the panel will emerge unscathed.

Full round of championship matches in Mayo next weekend. Hopefully everybody will get through it ok.

Quote from: Syferus on May 20, 2014, 12:52:32 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on May 20, 2014, 12:37:57 PM
I'd expect Enda and Diarmuid to be pushing for a place although he may opt to keep the pressure off them by not starting them.
We'll need lively forwards when we face the Rhus Div 1 defence. You couldn't accuse Donie Shine or Senan of being lively unfortunately.

You could accuse them of being quality players though.

Mayo will be a lot more worried about the lads who can score with a lad on top of them than any amount of 'lively' (whatever that is) buckaroos.

Mayo's D1 Defence will have no problem with slow lads like Donie and Senan. It's the flyers like the Murts( copyright Syfín), Smithy and Cregg that they won't like.
Anyway my main worry is that we can keep the ball kicked out to them.

Quote from: Rossfan on May 20, 2014, 04:14:10 PM

Quote from: Syferus on May 20, 2014, 12:52:32 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on May 20, 2014, 12:37:57 PM
I'd expect Enda and Diarmuid to be pushing for a place although he may opt to keep the pressure off them by not starting them.
We'll need lively forwards when we face the Rhus Div 1 defence. You couldn't accuse Donie Shine or Senan of being lively unfortunately.

You could accuse them of being quality players though.

Mayo will be a lot more worried about the lads who can score with a lad on top of them than any amount of 'lively' (whatever that is) buckaroos.

Mayo's D1 Defence will have no problem with slow lads like Donie and Senan. It's the flyers like the Murts( copyright Syfín), Smithy and Cregg that they won't like.
Anyway my main worry is that we can keep the ball kicked out to them.

Senan is nothing if not mobile for a big lad. He can turn inside defenders as good as any man. Only a few FFs in the country with as much craft as Kilbride.

Donie's never been quick but I've see plenty of big CFs that have done it at the highest level. His ability in the air and vision with the ball in hand is essential to us challenging D2 and D1 teams in the future. It was very telling how much better we've been in attack this year with a fit Shine as opposed to last year. No one provides as much good, incisive ball to the two up front.

Both Senan and Donie enable the play of the rest of the forwards in their own ways, they don't need to be Eammon Wallace to be effective.

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 20, 2014, 12:49:24 PM
I thought shine was quiet yday from play and his frees not as clinical as usual, what's he been like all year?

Our top scorer and one of our leaders during the league. Didn't score against Wexford but won us loads of possession in the midfield area that day. He was quiet against Cavan in Breffni Park however he got MOTM against Cavan in the league final.

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 20, 2014, 12:49:24 PM
Roscommons defence gives up to much space and Leitrim were wasteful, so many unseen runs or passes which would damaged Ros,  Ye really need to tighten up or filter men back quicker.

Years of div 3 football & a year down in div 4 hasn't help. We have some decent footballers in defence for example a few sigerson cup winners however we still aren't defending as one solid unit maybe a few years in div 2 will improve us.

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The Mayo defensive stats in the Connacht championship since the London game in 2011 speaks for itself.

2011

V Galway 1-6
V Roscommon 0-11


2012

V Leitrim 0-10
V Sligo 0-10

2013

V Galway 0-11
V Roscommon 0-9
V London 0-10

2014

V New York 0-8

Going on that we'll only score around 0-10  :(

Quote from: Rossfan on May 20, 2014, 04:14:10 PM

Quote from: Syferus on May 20, 2014, 12:52:32 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on May 20, 2014, 12:37:57 PM
I'd expect Enda and Diarmuid to be pushing for a place although he may opt to keep the pressure off them by not starting them.
We'll need lively forwards when we face the Rhus Div 1 defence. You couldn't accuse Donie Shine or Senan of being lively unfortunately.

You could accuse them of being quality players though.

Mayo will be a lot more worried about the lads who can score with a lad on top of them than any amount of 'lively' (whatever that is) buckaroos.

Mayo's D1 Defence will have no problem with slow lads like Donie and Senan. It's the flyers like the Murts( copyright Syfín), Smithy and Cregg that they won't like.
Anyway my main worry is that we can keep the ball kicked out to them.

I hope mr.Evans thinks like you sir.

Ross4life..u said that we'll probably only score 0-10. That would be close to the 0-9 that we scored in Castlebar a year ago..Would be easy to see Mayo with 0-10 by half time.

Syfín will have us scoring 10 points in the first 10 minutes never mind the whole game ;D

I can seriously see Johneen goin very defensive in the early part of the game.Not too unlike the Tyrone
game last year.Mayo have improved every year under Horan in the Championship and also from each league campaign into the Championship.The longer we stay in the game the better chance we have of asking serious
questions.

Johneen has pulled County men from club Leagues at the weekend.
A lot NOT HAPPY.

Quote from: Rossfan on May 21, 2014, 05:19:29 PM
Johneen has pulled County men from club Leagues at the weekend.
A lot NOT HAPPY.

Our lads will be out playing club championship.

Obviously ye're treating the game as just another routine step on the way to September while we on the other hand.....

Quote from: Rossfan on May 21, 2014, 05:27:33 PM
Obviously ye're treating the game as just another routine step on the way to September while we on the other hand.....

are in damage limitation mode already.

Quote from: Shrewdness on May 20, 2014, 07:35:39 PM
Ross4life..u said that we'll probably only score 0-10. That would be close to the 0-9 that we scored in Castlebar a year ago..Would be easy to see Mayo with 0-10 by half time.

Yes if this game goes along the lines of the previous 8 Mayo Connacht championship games then unfortunately thats all we are likely to score. The game last year was over at half time hopefully we are a bit more competitive this year.

Quote from: Rossfan on May 21, 2014, 05:19:29 PM
Johneen has pulled County men from club Leagues at the weekend.
A lot NOT HAPPY.

Club games on tonight and county players playing. Evans and co have a challenge game lined up for this weekend most club league games will be called off.

Who against and where is the challenge match?

Quote from: larryin89 on May 21, 2014, 06:34:14 PM
Who against and where is the challenge match?

Put a sneaky GPS tracker on the bus.

Quote from: muppet on May 21, 2014, 08:01:09 PM

Quote from: larryin89 on May 21, 2014, 06:34:14 PM
Who against and where is the challenge match?

Put a sneaky GPS tracker on the bus.

Banned from setting foot in  tibohine to tarmonbarry with the exception of Roscommon town on matchday.

Quote from: muppet on May 21, 2014, 08:01:09 PM

Quote from: larryin89 on May 21, 2014, 06:34:14 PM
Who against and where is the challenge match?

Put a sneaky GPS tracker on the bus.

Sure Evans has one on Kevin Higgins if ye can get the login details.

Quote from: larryin89 on May 21, 2014, 06:34:14 PM
Who against and where is the challenge match?

Have Mayo any challenge anywhere?

Be nice to see this Duffy ladeen to see what he can do.

Quote from: moysider on May 21, 2014, 10:29:44 PM

Quote from: larryin89 on May 21, 2014, 06:34:14 PM
Who against and where is the challenge match?

Have Mayo any challenge anywhere?

Be nice to see this Duffy ladeen to see what he can do.

I'd prefer to be facing Gavin than Marty, anyways.

Quote from: Syferus on May 21, 2014, 10:44:17 PM

Quote from: moysider on May 21, 2014, 10:29:44 PM

Quote from: larryin89 on May 21, 2014, 06:34:14 PM
Who against and where is the challenge match?

Have Mayo any challenge anywhere?

Be nice to see this Duffy ladeen to see what he can do.

I'd prefer to be facing Gavin than Marty, anyways.

Hmmmmm. Be careful what ye wish for. Well you re goin to get it anyway.

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I don t remember saying that but if ye can quote me on that I ll plead guilty as charged. I doubt I disrespected ny neighbours like that but if I did give me the quote and I ll hand in my gun and badge.

This?

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As for D1 I reckon you could stand down the Mayo starting 15 the last day and still have a good cut at staying in D1.

Mayo XV league 2014

              Clarkie/O Malley

Michael Walsh Shane McHale Kevin Keane

Brendan Harrison Danny Geraghty James Burke

        Barry Moran Jason Gibbons

Richie Feeney Darren Coen Conor O Shea

Evan Regan Jason Doherty Michael Conroy

The above could even win a Connacht championship at the present time and I bet I ve overlooked a couple.

You will now continue to claim "Mayo dont really have a second string. It s just a very long first string" whatever that means i don't know.

Quote from: moysider on May 20, 2014, 12:47:02 AM
I don t think Mayo are anyway suitable for a scenic route. The teams you mentioned above were winners. This Mayo team will digest themselves from inside out with another loss. Not concerned by injuries as such but it s eyeballs out for us now until it ends. First loss it s all over. Lose this and its deckchairs on the Titanic. No complaints. Horan has been loyal to this group of players and he s either going to sink or swim with them. There is going to be no second act here if the first one fails.

Horan has stayed loyal because this group of players have reached back to back All Ireland finals for him. The scenic route is to try something new to freshen things up, how do you know it wouldn't be suitable? you don't have much faith in this panel of players if you think Mayo will sink after one defeat.

Quote from: Blowitupref on May 22, 2014, 01:27:27 AM

In fairness to Moy, a good few of that team are unavailable at the moment.
Clarkie - not on panel yet.
Michael Walsh - London
Shane McHale - Injured
Danny Geraghty - not on panel
James Burke - not on panel
Jason Gibbons - 6-8 weeks injury
Evan Regan - not on panel

Quote from: Blowitupref on May 22, 2014, 01:27:27 AM

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I don t remember saying that but if ye can quote me on that I ll plead guilty as charged. I doubt I disrespected ny neighbours like that but if I did give me the quote and I ll hand in my gun and badge.

This?

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As for D1 I reckon you could stand down the Mayo starting 15 the last day and still have a good cut at staying in D1.

Mayo XV league 2014

              Clarkie/O Malley

Michael Walsh Shane McHale Kevin Keane

Brendan Harrison Danny Geraghty James Burke

        Barry Moran Jason Gibbons

Richie Feeney Darren Coen Conor O Shea

Evan Regan Jason Doherty Michael Conroy

The above could even win a Connacht championship at the present time and I bet I ve overlooked a couple.

You will now continue to claim "Mayo dont really have a second string. It s just a very long first string" whatever that means i don't know.

Quote from: moysider on May 20, 2014, 12:47:02 AM
I don t think Mayo are anyway suitable for a scenic route. The teams you mentioned above were winners. This Mayo team will digest themselves from inside out with another loss. Not concerned by injuries as such but it s eyeballs out for us now until it ends. First loss it s all over. Lose this and its deckchairs on the Titanic. No complaints. Horan has been loyal to this group of players and he s either going to sink or swim with them. There is going to be no second act here if the first one fails.

Horan has stayed loyal because this group of players have reached back to back All Ireland finals for him. The scenic route is to try something new to freshen things up, how do you know it wouldn't be suitable? you don't have much faith in this panel of players if you think Mayo will sink after one defeat.

He has indeed and to give him his due, he has worked wonders since he took on the manager's job. The present Mayo side bears no resemblance to the disorganised; disorientated; despairing bunch of clueless laitchekoes he took on at the beginning of 2011.
There have been remarkably few changes to the panel he started out with four seasons ago. One reason I suppose is that all of the panel gives 100% effort to the cause but the reality is that they are as good as can be found. He has tried to find new players during the FBD and the league every year but has had very little success in finding anyone who could make it onto the first fifteen.
The problem is particularly acute up front. Mayo have a number of fairly handy forwards but I think only two of them could have the little bit extra needed to win an AI and they are Cillian O'Connor and Andy Moran. Unfortunately, both have injury issues and we won't know until the championship gets underway if they've recovered fully or not. My guess is that, whatever about COC, Andy's best days are behind him.
So Horan can't take the scenic route because it leads nowhere. It seems he's stuck with what he had last year and the year before that –unless he can come up with new players and fresh ideas - or preferably both.
We'll have to wait for the Roscommon game to see if Mayo are going to be in with a chance this year.

Quote from: Blowitupref on May 22, 2014, 01:27:27 AM

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I don t remember saying that but if ye can quote me on that I ll plead guilty as charged. I doubt I disrespected ny neighbours like that but if I did give me the quote and I ll hand in my gun and badge.

This?

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As for D1 I reckon you could stand down the Mayo starting 15 the last day and still have a good cut at staying in D1.

Mayo XV league 2014

              Clarkie/O Malley

Michael Walsh Shane McHale Kevin Keane

Brendan Harrison Danny Geraghty James Burke

        Barry Moran Jason Gibbons

Richie Feeney Darren Coen Conor O Shea

Evan Regan Jason Doherty Michael Conroy

The above could even win a Connacht championship at the present time and I bet I ve overlooked a couple.

You will now continue to claim "Mayo dont really have a second string. It s just a very long first string" whatever that means i don't know.

Quote from: moysider on May 20, 2014, 12:47:02 AM
I don t think Mayo are anyway suitable for a scenic route. The teams you mentioned above were winners. This Mayo team will digest themselves from inside out with another loss. Not concerned by injuries as such but it s eyeballs out for us now until it ends. First loss it s all over. Lose this and its deckchairs on the Titanic. No complaints. Horan has been loyal to this group of players and he s either going to sink or swim with them. There is going to be no second act here if the first one fails.

Horan has stayed loyal because this group of players have reached back to back All Ireland finals for him. The scenic route is to try something new to freshen things up, how do you know it wouldn't be suitable? you don't have much faith in this panel of players if you think Mayo will sink after one defeat.

As regards the first part I ll have to throw myself before the mercy of the court and plead guilty as charged ;D. Although as ballinaman pointed out in my defence the panel is now missing players I would have expected to be there.

As regards the scenic route. The bit I highlighted there is the crucial bit I think. There is little new there to freshen things up with imo. This team has been defeated before and has come back more or less set up the same again. I don t believe a loss to Roscommon would see much change either.

Leaving all slagging, rivalry, talking up the opposition and bullshit aside, are there really any Mayo people on here who really do believe that Mayo could lose to Roscommon? If so, please explain why, because i just can't see it... Yes, Ros are improving, but they lack consistency of performance. They were poor enough for the first 20 mins v Cavan in Croke Park before waking up..Last Sunday we saw the same problem in reverse.. Very good first half, poor second half. In reality, very few people in Roscommon expect them to beat Mayo, not this year anyway. The feeling in Mayo is surely the same.

Quote from: Shrewdness on May 22, 2014, 02:37:39 PM
Leaving all slagging, rivalry, talking up the opposition and bullshit aside, are there really any Mayo people on here who really do believe that Mayo could lose to Roscommon? If so, please explain why, because i just can't see it... Yes, Ros are improving, but they lack consistency of performance. They were poor enough for the first 20 mins v Cavan in Croke Park before waking up..Last Sunday we saw the same problem in reverse.. Very good first half, poor second half. In reality, very few people in Roscommon expect them to beat Mayo, not this year anyway. The feeling in Mayo is surely the same.

Sure that's the best time to do the job. We'd be complaining about the pressure of expectation if people thought we could beat them.

Quote from: Blowitupref on May 22, 2014, 01:27:27 AM

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I don t remember saying that but if ye can quote me on that I ll plead guilty as charged. I doubt I disrespected ny neighbours like that but if I did give me the quote and I ll hand in my gun and badge.

This?

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As for D1 I reckon you could stand down the Mayo starting 15 the last day and still have a good cut at staying in D1.

Mayo XV league 2014

              Clarkie/O Malley

Michael Walsh Shane McHale Kevin Keane

Brendan Harrison Danny Geraghty James Burke

        Barry Moran Jason Gibbons

Richie Feeney Darren Coen Conor O Shea

Evan Regan Jason Doherty Michael Conroy

The above could even win a Connacht championship at the present time and I bet I ve overlooked a couple.

You will now continue to claim "Mayo dont really have a second string. It s just a very long first string" whatever that means i don't know.

Quote from: moysider on May 20, 2014, 12:47:02 AM
I don t think Mayo are anyway suitable for a scenic route. The teams you mentioned above were winners. This Mayo team will digest themselves from inside out with another loss. Not concerned by injuries as such but it s eyeballs out for us now until it ends. First loss it s all over. Lose this and its deckchairs on the Titanic. No complaints. Horan has been loyal to this group of players and he s either going to sink or swim with them. There is going to be no second act here if the first one fails.

Horan has stayed loyal because this group of players have reached back to back All Ireland finals for him. The scenic route is to try something new to freshen things up, how do you know it wouldn't be suitable? you don't have much faith in this panel of players if you think Mayo will sink after one defeat.

The only real problem now with the Mayo 2nd XV suggestion is that the context has changed somewhat with Roscommon's league performances. That gap has closed considerably and no one in Mayo would be taking it for granted. 

on what basis are you saying the 'gap has closed considerably ' mayo did well in Div 1 and Ross did well in DIV 3 which is where they are at now a yo yo DiV 2 to 3 team
The last time they played mayo with a sucessfull underage team they probaably got their worst beating in years .
it would be a serious blask mark Against mayo if they did not win this one well

We need everything to go right for us and Mayowestrosbitofsligo to have an off day or be gone over the hill for us to have any chance here.
Jasus even Syfín is staying low key on this one  :-[

Quote from: rosnarun on May 22, 2014, 03:22:12 PM
on what basis are you saying the 'gap has closed considerably ' mayo did well in Div 1 and Ross did well in DIV 3 which is where they are at now a yo yo DiV 2 to 3 team
The last time they played mayo with a sucessfull underage team they probaably got their worst beating in years .
it would be a serious blask mark Against mayo if they did not win this one well

If I was playing for a 'yoyo team' I would rather be playing for one on the way up.

The gap has closed considerably from last year's massacre to where Ros are now. It is highly unlikely to be another massacre. But we are obviously favourites.

BTW having successful underage teams frequently means nothing at senior level. Look at Galway.

Quote from: muppet on May 22, 2014, 03:31:25 PM

Quote from: rosnarun on May 22, 2014, 03:22:12 PM
on what basis are you saying the 'gap has closed considerably ' mayo did well in Div 1 and Ross did well in DIV 3 which is where they are at now a yo yo DiV 2 to 3 team
The last time they played mayo with a sucessfull underage team they probaably got their worst beating in years .
it would be a serious blask mark Against mayo if they did not win this one well

BTW having successful underage teams frequently means nothing at senior level. Look at Galway.

I'd give them a bit more time yet in fairness. The lads from 11 and 13 and only coming onto the team now and don't exactly have a moderately successful group of veterans already there to make the transition easier for them.

The 02 and 05 lads you could argue weren't successful alright but at least they won a few Connacht titles if nothing else.

Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 22, 2014, 03:41:22 PM

Quote from: muppet on May 22, 2014, 03:31:25 PM

Quote from: rosnarun on May 22, 2014, 03:22:12 PM
on what basis are you saying the 'gap has closed considerably ' mayo did well in Div 1 and Ross did well in DIV 3 which is where they are at now a yo yo DiV 2 to 3 team
The last time they played mayo with a sucessfull underage team they probaably got their worst beating in years .
it would be a serious blask mark Against mayo if they did not win this one well

BTW having successful underage teams frequently means nothing at senior level. Look at Galway.

I'd give them a bit more time yet in fairness. The lads from 11 and 13 and only coming onto the team now and don't exactly have a moderately successful group of veterans already there to make the transition easier for them.

The 02 and 05 lads you could argue weren't successful alright but at least they won a few Connacht titles if nothing else.

I should have mentioned that I was thinking more of the hurling.

Limerick another country that had great U-21 teams for a while.

Quote from: muppet on May 22, 2014, 03:31:25 PM

Quote from: rosnarun on May 22, 2014, 03:22:12 PM
on what basis are you saying the 'gap has closed considerably ' mayo did well in Div 1 and Ross did well in DIV 3 which is where they are at now a yo yo DiV 2 to 3 team
The last time they played mayo with a sucessfull underage team they probaably got their worst beating in years .
it would be a serious blask mark Against mayo if they did not win this one well

If I was playing for a 'yoyo team' I would rather be playing for one on the way up.

The gap has closed considerably from last year's massacre to where Ros are now. It is highly unlikely to be another massacre. But we are obviously favourites.

BTW having successful underage teams frequently means nothing at senior level. Look at Galway.

It depends how you define success, Muppet. If beating the shite out of the neighbours in the county championship is the ultimate goal then senior intercounty success is, frankly, irrelevant

Quote from: rosnarun on May 22, 2014, 03:22:12 PM
on what basis are you saying the 'gap has closed considerably ' mayo did well in Div 1 and Ross did well in DIV 3 which is where they are at now a yo yo DiV 2 to 3 team
The last time they played mayo with a sucessfull underage team they probaably got their worst beating in years .
it would be a serious blask mark Against mayo if they did not win this one well

You do realise our promotion to div 2 is our first since 2007 & back then we were out of our in depth in the higher level. Remains to be seen if we are to become a yo yo div 2 to 3 team if so it will be improvement on what i had to watch for the last decade.

I presume you are talking about 2009? from our point of view the worst part of that defeat was getting hammered by such average Mayo side. At least now Mayo are arguably the 2nd best side around and on your day you can even hammer the defending AI champions as shown last August however we are very much responsible for allowing this current Mayo team develop in to to what they are today. In other words the 2011 Connacht final was very much a what if situation.

Going back to 2009 we started with five of the 2006 minors three of those lads are no longer on the panel also that panel of players hadn't even won U-21 Connacht title compared with today we have won three in five years should have been four. Regardless of the result in this game on June 8th we are without a doubt a side on the rise with plenty of potential on our panel and a lot more coming through. The future looks a lot brighter now for us than it did say five years ago.

Quote from: seafoid on May 22, 2014, 04:33:55 PM

Quote from: muppet on May 22, 2014, 03:31:25 PM

Quote from: rosnarun on May 22, 2014, 03:22:12 PM
on what basis are you saying the 'gap has closed considerably ' mayo did well in Div 1 and Ross did well in DIV 3 which is where they are at now a yo yo DiV 2 to 3 team
The last time they played mayo with a sucessfull underage team they probaably got their worst beating in years .
it would be a serious blask mark Against mayo if they did not win this one well

If I was playing for a 'yoyo team' I would rather be playing for one on the way up.

The gap has closed considerably from last year's massacre to where Ros are now. It is highly unlikely to be another massacre. But we are obviously favourites.

BTW having successful underage teams frequently means nothing at senior level. Look at Galway.

It depends how you define success, Muppet. If beating the shite out of the neighbours in the county championship is the ultimate goal then senior intercounty success is, frankly, irrelevant

I love this.

In 3 posts we go from Ros and whether they have improved or not, to the Galway club hurling championship.

Quote from: muppet on May 22, 2014, 05:39:57 PM

Quote from: seafoid on May 22, 2014, 04:33:55 PM

Quote from: muppet on May 22, 2014, 03:31:25 PM

Quote from: rosnarun on May 22, 2014, 03:22:12 PM
on what basis are you saying the 'gap has closed considerably ' mayo did well in Div 1 and Ross did well in DIV 3 which is where they are at now a yo yo DiV 2 to 3 team
The last time they played mayo with a sucessfull underage team they probaably got their worst beating in years .
it would be a serious blask mark Against mayo if they did not win this one well

If I was playing for a 'yoyo team' I would rather be playing for one on the way up.

The gap has closed considerably from last year's massacre to where Ros are now. It is highly unlikely to be another massacre. But we are obviously favourites.

BTW having successful underage teams frequently means nothing at senior level. Look at Galway.

It depends how you define success, Muppet. If beating the shite out of the neighbours in the county championship is the ultimate goal then senior intercounty success is, frankly, irrelevant

I love this.

In 3 posts we go from Ros and whether they have improved or not, to the Galway club hurling championship.

Still, I bet Galway hurling will get its shit together well before Ros do.

10 posts by Galway man seafoid on this thread now compared to just 1 post on the London v Galway thread hmm.....

Quote from: ross4life on May 22, 2014, 08:10:36 PM
10 posts by Galway man seafoid on this thread now compared to just 1 post on the London v Galway thread hmm.....

Sure there is far more craic on this thread. I remember the excitement in 2001 when Ros beat Galway and unfortunately got them again later in the championship.

Can dr Hyde park accommodate for 5k Mayo season ticket holders in the way they are supposed to?

Quote from: larryin89 on May 22, 2014, 11:34:04 PM
Can dr Hyde park accommodate for 5k Mayo season ticket holders in the way they are supposed to?

If by accommodate you mean stick them in Port-A-Potties and rolling them down the county home road, yeah.

Quote from: larryin89 on May 22, 2014, 11:34:04 PM
Can dr Hyde park accommodate for 5k Mayo season ticket holders in the way they are supposed to?

Behind the graveyard end goal

Well it's time to get the ball rolling on change of venue , the shithole that is the Hyde is not fit to hold a game involving Mayo .

Quote from: larryin89 on May 22, 2014, 11:51:26 PM
Well it's time to get the ball rolling on change of venue , the shithole that is the Hyde is not fit to hold a game involving Mayo .

I'd say a shithole is the natural venue for a game involving Mayo.

Quote from: neilthemac on May 22, 2014, 11:39:21 PM

Quote from: larryin89 on May 22, 2014, 11:34:04 PM
Can dr Hyde park accommodate for 5k Mayo season ticket holders in the way they are supposed to?

Behind the graveyard end goal

It could be the graveyard for Roscommon hopes for the future , imagine what a sixteen point plus hiding would do for this sudden burst of enthusiasm in the land of the shiny bus.


( personally I think we will lose, this is just something I had a wet dream over)

Quote from: larryin89 on May 23, 2014, 12:03:26 AM

Quote from: neilthemac on May 22, 2014, 11:39:21 PM

Quote from: larryin89 on May 22, 2014, 11:34:04 PM
Can dr Hyde park accommodate for 5k Mayo season ticket holders in the way they are supposed to?

Behind the graveyard end goal

It could be the graveyard for Roscommon hopes for the future , imagine what a sixteen point plus hiding would do for this sudden burst of enthusiasm in the land of the shiny bus.


( personally I think we will lose, this is just something I had a wet dream over)

Ros could get the losers of Derry/Donegal in Round 1 of the QFs . Go bhfoire Dia orthu

Quote from: larryin89 on May 22, 2014, 11:34:04 PM
Can dr Hyde park accommodate for 5k Mayo season ticket holders in the way they are supposed to?

Rumours that Prenty has allocated ALL the Stand Seats in the Hyde to Rhubarbs and putting the Ros ST holders in the open seats. >:( >:( >:( >:(

Quote from: Rossfan on May 23, 2014, 08:13:15 PM

Quote from: larryin89 on May 22, 2014, 11:34:04 PM
Can dr Hyde park accommodate for 5k Mayo season ticket holders in the way they are supposed to?

Rumours that Prenty has allocated ALL the Stand Seats in the Hyde to Rhubarbs and putting the Ros ST holders in the open seats. >:( >:( >:( >:(

Prenty is my hero and i told him so in the city west last year , I also told him to have a gander in here to see the way the Rossie posters spoke of him.

Quote from: larryin89 on May 23, 2014, 09:23:26 PM
Prenty is my hero and i told him so in the city west last year , I also told him to have a gander in here to see the way the Rossie posters spoke of him.

Prenty reads Stolen Sheep and I have that as a direct in-person fact. He has good taste in forums.

Quote from: Rossfan on May 23, 2014, 08:13:15 PM

Quote from: larryin89 on May 22, 2014, 11:34:04 PM
Can dr Hyde park accommodate for 5k Mayo season ticket holders in the way they are supposed to?

Rumours that Prenty has allocated ALL the Stand Seats in the Hyde to Rhubarbs and putting the Ros ST holders in the open seats. >:( >:( >:( >:(

Sure you couldn't have the posh folk left out in the rain.

Is it true the Mayo season tickets (and all the other not direct from HQ season tickets) only entitle holders to a ticket to the game, not a stand ticket to the game? Given it's no given all season ticket holders will even take what is an option to get a ticket not having it first come first serve is a little dodgy.

Don't want to get into the stand to find it swarming with the enemy.

Any injuries picked up by any Mayo player today/yesterday while on club duty? It would help to have a clean bill of health this time out. (Obviously Shane McHale and Jason Gibbons won't be there)

Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 25, 2014, 11:25:49 PM
Any injuries picked up by any Mayo player today/yesterday while on club duty? It would help to have a clean bill of health this time out. (Obviously Shane McHale and Jason Gibbons won't be there)

No but Heard there was an incident at agahamore v breaffy though.

Injuries piling up for the Rossies ahead of this game.Only likely to be one winner for definite now.Keeping the score down will be an achievement.

Quote from: Collie Brolly on May 27, 2014, 11:11:34 AM
Injuries piling up for the Rossies ahead of this game.Only likely to be one winner for definite now.Keeping the score down will be an achievement.

Bit of an oxymoron there Collie.

Fact is we have depth everywhere but HB (where we had depth but about five are/have recently been injured). Who on top of Keenan is on the walking wounded now?

Even with a full pick we have serious problems from 2 to 9. Who exactly is the "depth2 at FB or MF I wonder??
We have to keep the Rhus pinned in their own half to have any chance here as any ball crossing half way will spell disaster for us as we're so loose in defence.
We conceded 13 points to a one man Laythrum forward line FFS.

Quote from: Rossfan on May 27, 2014, 11:28:47 AM
Even with a full pick we have serious problems from 2 to 9. Who exactly is the "depth2 at FB or MF I wonder??
We have to keep the Rhus pinned in their own half to have any chance here as any ball crossing half way will spell disaster for us as we're so loose in defence.
We conceded 13 points to a one man Laythrum forward line FFS.

We're ok at FB, Stack is a corner back (as was Caffreky until his turn at HB this year) no matter where Evans is set on playing him. Collins is the back-up No.3. All are fit, though maybe Caff still has a niggle from the Leitrim game.

Midfield isn't going to be materially effected by the injury of anyone but Higgins or Cathal Shine (obviously picked up an injury in the Leitrim game) because our options are so raw there you'll be gerry-rigging a midfield outside of them either way, hell until a month ago Higgins didn't even look like a midfielder.

You're slippin up Syfín - took 18 minutes to respond. ;D
Higgins was good against D4 Laythrum but against the Bear O'Sheas .... I'm fearful.
If we could get our forwards to tackle ( impossibility for Donie and Senan I know  :-\) and harrass the Rhu backs we might just upset the hoors long enough to make a game of it.
However anything less thana 6 point defeat will be progress and hopefully avoid effin Tyrone in the qualifiers so we might get the experience of a few Championship games to bring along our young lads with potential.

Conor Daly,Cathal and Donie Shine,Keenan,Ian Kilbride,Cafferkey and Cregger have all picked picked up knocks or have been carrying injuries before or since the Leitrim game.While it's fair to say that some of these lads will start,it's not ideal to be heading into a game against the 2 nd best team in the country having not had the correct training and preparation.I would suggest these injuries had a part to play in the weekend club league games were called off at the same time our coastal friends were knee deep in championship action with their clubs.
I don't believe we have the strength in depth that people think we have.Maybe with a full hand to pick but not right now.

Genuine question, are Mayo the second best team in the country (at the mo) as all the Ros posters are bandying on about? I mean last year was last year and all that... Or are there a number of teams on joint second behind the Dubs?

Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 27, 2014, 08:17:47 PM
Genuine question, are Mayo the second best team in the country (at the mo) as all the Ros posters are bandying on about? I mean last year was last year and all that... Or are there a number of teams on joint second behind the Dubs?

Ros must be up there, at least on planet Syf.

I'd rate Cork on a par with Mayo at the moment, the two beaten League semi finalists..It's only as the year progresses that we'll discover the true value of the Mayo team of 2014..After all, it's not that long since they were soundly beaten by 14 man Derry. Yet nobody would rate Derry near the top six, let alone the top two..

Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 27, 2014, 08:17:47 PM
Genuine question, are Mayo the second best team in the country (at the mo) as all the Ros posters are bandying on about? I mean last year was last year and all that... Or are there a number of teams on joint second behind the Dubs?

Everyone knows it's murky for #2, anything else is poor mouthing. I think only Cork and Mayo have a snowball's chance of beating Dublin this year, though. Maybe if Donegal can re-bottle the magic of 2011-12 they've a chance but without McHugh that's unlikely.

Kerry are in transition, indeed so are Cork. Mayo are the only one of the above that are settled and are not missing major parts of their jigsaw.

Quote from: Shrewdness on May 27, 2014, 08:37:13 PM
I'd rate Cork on a par with Mayo at the moment, the two beaten League semi finalists..It's only as the year progresses that we'll discover the true value of the Mayo team of 2014..After all, it's not that long since they were soundly beaten by 14 man Derry. Yet nobody would rate Derry near the top six, let alone the top two..

Don't read too much into that result. No more than Mayo hockeying Cork in the league in Castlebar.

I agree with you Bunker. Mayo are a better team than they looked that day, whilst Derry are not as good as they looked that day.. I suppose the big question is,, what will it take to get Mayo over the line this year, compared to 2012 and 13?

Quote from: Shrewdness on May 27, 2014, 09:53:59 PM
I agree with you Bunker. Mayo are a better team than they looked that day, whilst Derry are not as good as they looked that day.. I suppose the big question is,, what will it take to get Mayo over the line this year, compared to 2012 and 13?

James H set the winning of the league as one of his main objectives and so apparently did Jim Gavin and probably the managers of all top sides wanted to win it too.
It was obvious- to me at any rate - that James was one unhappy bunny as the league progressed
At press conferences after every game, he criticised his own team's performance. I felt it was most uncharacteristic of the man who generally keeps his thoughts to himself but it showed the level of his frustration.  I can't blaame him for being pissed off but I thought it was very indiscreet of him to do his bollacking in puibilic.
It hardly did his team's morale and self-confidence any good.
Furthermore, he didn't discover any major new talent during the league campaign. Adam Gallagher looked promising okay but he is no longer on the panel and the only member of last years panle to show a significent increase i form as Jason Gibbons and now the poor hoor is banjaxed and going to miss the early championship games.
Bejaysus, our tales of woe has no end in sight.
However, all is not lost yet and I wouldn't dwell on the fact that many regard Mayo as the #2 team in the land. For one thing, last year's peformances have no bearing on this year's form. For another, even considering the notion is a tacit acceptance that we are not #1 and won't be either for the coming season.
Mayo arre nothing if not battle-hardened and experienced and if the lads have it in them to forget the failures of recent years and can repeat the level of intensity they possessed last year, they will be in with a chance of getting over the proverbial line.

For them to do that, Cillian O'Connor and Andy Moran need to be at their very best and surely to God, James will come up with some change of tactics upfront to offset the defiencies of the last two years. 
If all the cards drop into place Mayo will be up there with the best of the rest but forget any acceptance that we're only #2, it's a case of shit or burst. ;D

Is Adam Gallagher gone off the panel completely??

If the game was this Sunday, I reckon it would look like...
Hennelly
Cunniffe,Caff,Higgins
Vaughan,Boyle,Keegan
Parsons,SOS
DOC,AOS,Jason Doc
COC,Andy,Kevin Mc

Quote from: ballinaman on May 28, 2014, 08:54:06 AM
If the game was this Sunday, I reckon it would look like...
Hennelly
Cunniffe,Caff,Higgins
Vaughan,Boyle,Keegan
Parsons,SOS
DOC,AOS,Jason Doc
COC,Andy,Kevin Mc

I'd swap AOS and SOS, and Kevin Mc and Jason Doc but otherwise I'd agree. Young Gallagher seems to have paid a heavy price for one substandard showing against Kerry. He looked far closer to being ready than Diarmuid O'Connor in the few early games.

I wouldn't bother with mcgloughlin in the corner, don't think he can have the same impact as when he's further out .

Not sure about parsons in midfield for this game, we need to throw our weight around and put in a few big hits at the start , just to get the measure of what this lot are made of and no better buck than AOS to do it.

Baffled by the Gallagher situation and is that a fact he's not a panel member? Outstanding against both Kildare and Tyrone. Did look a bit shook up when the Kerry boys wrapped him a few times. Surely that's to be expected whilst getting used of the tempo and should of featured in Dublin game to test him further.

Quote from: ballinaman on May 28, 2014, 08:54:06 AM
If the game was this Sunday, I reckon it would look like...
Hennelly
Cunniffe,Caff,Higgins
Vaughan,Boyle,Keegan
Parsons,SOS
DOC,AOS,Jason Doc
COC,Andy,Kevin Mc

No Barry? Easily Mayo's most complete midfielder.

FFS lads. Ballinaman is just picking what he thinks Horan will pick. That's how I read it anyway.

Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 28, 2014, 01:16:34 PM
FFS lads. Ballinaman is just picking what he thinks Horan will pick. That's how I read it anyway.

correct.

Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 28, 2014, 01:16:34 PM
FFS lads. Ballinaman is just picking what he thinks Horan will pick. That's how I read it anyway.

And I'm just adding my twopence worth to the team he thinks Horan will pick. Ffs Farr, will ya cool down man. Lol

Did someone not say on here that Barry Moran has an injury?

Quote from: Shrewdness on May 28, 2014, 01:39:57 PM
Did someone not say on here that Barry Moran has an injury?

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/james-horan-calls-for-referees-to-become-semi-professional-1.1811637

Latest on the injury front from the man himself.

Quote from: ballinaman on May 28, 2014, 01:18:48 PM

Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 28, 2014, 01:16:34 PM
FFS lads. Ballinaman is just picking what he thinks Horan will pick. That's how I read it anyway.

correct.

And that's what my question is based on too - why is Moran so low down on the totem pole with Horan? Was All-Star calibur in 2012 and hasn't got a look in since his injury last year.


Edit: I guess the injury explains why he's not going to get a shot now.

Quote from: Syferus on May 28, 2014, 01:14:33 PM

Quote from: ballinaman on May 28, 2014, 08:54:06 AM
If the game was this Sunday, I reckon it would look like...
Hennelly
Cunniffe,Caff,Higgins
Vaughan,Boyle,Keegan
Parsons,SOS
DOC,AOS,Jason Doc
COC,Andy,Kevin Mc

No Barry? Easily Mayo's most complete midfielder.

Dunno what the story is with Barry. But if he's fit, he's a better all-rounder then either of the Bears.
I honestly think that Seamus and Aidan would get a midfield place on any team in the land but not both on the same team. They are too similar in style and can be outfoxed by the likes of Macauley and O'Sullivan- a perfect combination of mobility and muscle.
It's one hellluva pity that Jason Gibbons is not available for he'd be the perfect foil for either. His improvement in form this year has been outstanding. I don't know how fit Parsons or Barry are right now but if they are playing well enough, one of them would give more options at midfield.
Pity the same can't be said about the forwards.
Horan is certainly not spoilt for choice in that department. I don't think we will be beaten in Connacht but thereafter, the shortcomings up front will be exposed once more unless Horan comes up with new tactics or players or preferably both. I wouldn't play  Kevin Mac in the corner. |This was tried and it didn't work. He needs space to manoeuvre as he's exclusively left-footed and can be closed down easily. Same goes for Varley- a very talented player but a total ciotóg.
Matter of fact, I  think that COC is the only two-footed player on the side.
That is hard to credit as it's something that can be rectified at an early stage with a bit of coaching.
BTW, any news on Chris Barrett? I think the backs Horan selected for the AI last year are the best to be found anywhere. Keith Higgins? He's needed upfront- I wouldn't move him back because of one poor performance.

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Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 28, 2014, 01:16:34 PM
FFS lads. Ballinaman is just picking what he thinks Horan will pick. That's how I read it anyway.

correct.

And that's what my question is based on too - why is Moran so low down on the totem pole with Horan? Was All-Star calibur in 2012 and hasn't got a look in since his injury last year.


Edit: I guess the injury explains why he's not going to get a shot now.

You pretty much answered it there yourself Sy , injuries curtailed his involvement last year and the club run with Mitchels along with a couple of niggly injuries have kept him out so far this year. Throw in the form of Jason Gibbons along with the reemergence of Tom Parsons and this more than anything has him a bit down the pecking order more so than Horan not rating him.

We are truly blessed at the moment around the middle in terms of options. The forwards ? Well the writing is on the wall at the moment :'(.

Chris Barret made a second half appearance for Belmullet at the weekend as far as I know Lar.

I think Barrett has rejoined the panel, but won't be considered for the Roscommon game.

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Quote from: Syferus on May 28, 2014, 01:57:20 PM

Quote from: ballinaman on May 28, 2014, 01:18:48 PM

Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 28, 2014, 01:16:34 PM
FFS lads. Ballinaman is just picking what he thinks Horan will pick. That's how I read it anyway.

correct.

And that's what my question is based on too - why is Moran so low down on the totem pole with Horan? Was All-Star calibur in 2012 and hasn't got a look in since his injury last year.


Edit: I guess the injury explains why he's not going to get a shot now.

You pretty much answered it there yourself Sy , injuries curtailed his involvement last year and the club run with Mitchels along with a couple of niggly injuries have kept him out so far this year. Throw in the form of Jason Gibbons along with the reemergence of Tom Parsons and this more than anything has him a bit down the pecking order more so than Horan not rating him.

We are truly blessed at the moment around the middle in terms of options. The forwards ? Well the writing is on the wall at the moment :'(.

Chris Barret made a second half appearance for Belmullet at the weekend as far as I know Lar.

Absolutely delighted to hear this.
Bedad, all isn't lost yet!
AS a unit, Chris,-Ger and Tom are as good as I've seen.
There are better individual players knocking about but those lads seem to be able to read each others' minds. Keith could slip in there if need without weakening the line in any way but he's badly needed upfront.
I hope the hb line remains unchanged also. These boyos are playing together for  long time now and they complement each other very well. The main reason why the backs get overwhelmed at time is because them hoors iin the forwards have turned losing possession into an art form and allow the opposition to mount counterattacks from anywhere at any time.
Maybe Horan will manage to bate some sort of sense into them yet! ;D

Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 28, 2014, 01:16:34 PM
FFS lads. Ballinaman is just picking what he thinks Horan will pick. That's how I read it anyway.

If so doesn't Horan always start Alan Dillon and Alan Freeman when fit?

Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 28, 2014, 05:51:25 PM

Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 28, 2014, 01:16:34 PM
FFS lads. Ballinaman is just picking what he thinks Horan will pick. That's how I read it anyway.

If so doesn't Horan always start Alan Dillon and Alan Freeman when fit?

You're slackin this year, Cap.

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Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 28, 2014, 01:16:34 PM
FFS lads. Ballinaman is just picking what he thinks Horan will pick. That's how I read it anyway.

If so doesn't Horan always start Alan Dillon and Alan Freeman when fit?

You're slackin this year, Cap.

How so? and another reason for Freeman to be given a start.

Top scorers in Division 1

Mark Lynch, Derry 2-44 (50)
James O'Donoghue, Kerry 5-24 (39)
Alan Freeman, Mayo 4-22 (34)
Brian Hurley, Cork 1-30 (33)
Darroch Mulhall, Kildare 1-27 (30)
Darren McCurry, Tyrone 3-21 (30)
Kevin McLoughlin, Mayo 1-24 (27)
Kevin McManamon, Dublin 3-17 (26)

Would be interested to hear the views of the Mayo lads on here about Roscommon. Where are their strengths and weaknesses? If Mayo could take one Ros player to play for them, who would you choose, although i'm sure ye think that none of the Ros players would get on the Mayo team?

Quote from: Shrewdness on May 28, 2014, 07:04:15 PM
Would be interested to hear the views of the Mayo lads on here about Roscommon. Where are their strengths and weaknesses? If Mayo could take one Ros player to play for them, who would you choose, although i'm sure ye think that none of the Ros players would get on the Mayo team?

Why ask the question and then answer it yourself?

I would take Kilbride and put him in 13. Room would have to be made for Donie Shine in the forwards. The 3rd member of Syf's 'best 3 forwards in Connacht' would have to be looked at as well. I'd keep our backs and midfield, but then there aren't many in any county that I'd swap for in those departments.

Quote from: muppet on May 28, 2014, 07:08:52 PM

Quote from: Shrewdness on May 28, 2014, 07:04:15 PM
Would be interested to hear the views of the Mayo lads on here about Roscommon. Where are their strengths and weaknesses? If Mayo could take one Ros player to play for them, who would you choose, although i'm sure ye think that none of the Ros players would get on the Mayo team?

Why ask the question and then answer it yourself?

I would take Kilbride and put him in 13. Room would have to be made for Donie Shine in the forwards. The 3rd member of Syf's 'best 3 forwards in Connacht' would have to be looked at as well. I'd keep our backs and midfield, but then there aren't many in any county that I'd swap for in those departments.

With Enda Smith and Diarmuid Murtagh it's up to 5 of 6 now.

Quote from: muppet on May 28, 2014, 07:08:52 PM

Quote from: Shrewdness on May 28, 2014, 07:04:15 PM
Would be interested to hear the views of the Mayo lads on here about Roscommon. Where are their strengths and weaknesses? If Mayo could take one Ros player to play for them, who would you choose, although i'm sure ye think that none of the Ros players would get on the Mayo team?

Why ask the question and then answer it yourself?

I would take Kilbride and put him in 13. Room would have to be made for Donie Shine in the forwards. The 3rd member of Syf's 'best 3 forwards in Connacht' would have to be looked at as well. I'd keep our backs and midfield, but then there aren't many in any county that I'd swap for in those departments.

I would take Shine and Kilbride without a bother but I wouldn't dream of swapping anyone from 1-9.

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Quote from: Shrewdness on May 28, 2014, 07:04:15 PM
Would be interested to hear the views of the Mayo lads on here about Roscommon. Where are their strengths and weaknesses? If Mayo could take one Ros player to play for them, who would you choose, although i'm sure ye think that none of the Ros players would get on the Mayo team?

Why ask the question and then answer it yourself?

I would take Kilbride and put him in 13. Room would have to be made for Donie Shine in the forwards. The 3rd member of Syf's 'best 3 forwards in Connacht' would have to be looked at as well. I'd keep our backs and midfield, but then there aren't many in any county that I'd swap for in those departments.

I would take Shine and Kilbride without a bother but I wouldn't dream of swapping anyone from 1-9.

In fairness lads, I'd agree almost entirely but you're both over-looking Seanie Mac. He's exactly the corner that you fellas look like you need this year and no matter how good Christ Barrett or Turbo Tom were last year Seanie has been cutting a lone shadow of excellence at the back for us for an entire decade.

What a stupid conversation by Ros posters asking Mayo posters what Ros players they'd like to have. Isn't it bad enough that they are already taking their pick of Ballagh.

Quote from: weareros on May 28, 2014, 11:41:40 PM
What a stupid conversation by Ros posters asking Mayo posters what Ros players they'd like to have. Isn't it bad enough that they are already taking their pick of Ballagh.

Well, apart from Seanie and Cregger.

Quote from: Shrewdness on May 28, 2014, 07:04:15 PM
Would be interested to hear the views of the Mayo lads on here about Roscommon. Where are their strengths and weaknesses? If Mayo could take one Ros player to play for them, who would you choose, although i'm sure ye think that none of the Ros players would get on the Mayo team?

Honestly out of the current Ros squad I would take Seanie Mac , N Daly , D Shine and Murtagh and just to be greedy I would take Harney and Corcoran for a future beast of a midfield pairing ;). 

Maybe harshly I am leaving Senan Kilbride out but at the moment I think Freeman is as good as him with Liam Irwin a good understudy. ( Bet you Senan will shove this comment down my throat in style probably on Sunday week :'( ).

Good management plays a huge part in certain players reaching their potential. D Vaughan, G Cafferkey, K Higgins,T Cunniffe,C Barrett,S O'Shea,A O'Shea were all part of the Mayo panel in 2010 and since then Colm Boyle off the back of good club form was called into the panel, Lee Keegan has since replaced Trevor Mortimer at wing back add in K McLoughlin,A Moran, A Freeman then you have a group of players that have all improved greatly under the current system and game plans in place by Mayo management.  A 19 year old Cillian O'Connor was a big addition to the Mayo team three years ago and in time he will break the Mayo scoring record currently held by Conor Mortimer (remember him)

Quote from: weareros on May 28, 2014, 11:41:40 PM
What a stupid conversation by Ros posters asking Mayo posters what Ros players they'd like to have.

Well said.
We don't want any of our players goin near them hoors - I'd allow Cregg go to Smellyhaunis to collect his pay but that's all.
Syfín - could you ease up on the SeanieMac eulogies. Good footballer but like most Ros players can't defend for nuts.
It seems the Prentyfia are not releasing any stand seats for sale so the rumour that they are all reserved for Rhubarb Club season ticket holders must be true.
When will the delegates from the other 4 Connacht Counties grow some balls and let them know that the Connacht Council is for FIVE Counties not ONE. >:( >:( >:(

Quote from: Rossfan on May 29, 2014, 10:28:34 AM

Quote from: weareros on May 28, 2014, 11:41:40 PM
What a stupid conversation by Ros posters asking Mayo posters what Ros players they'd like to have.

Well said.
We don't want any of our players goin near them hoors
It seems the Prentyfia are not releasing any stand seats for sale so the rumour that they are all reserved for Rhubarb Club season ticket holders must be true.
When will the delegates from the other 4 Connacht Counties grow some balls and let them know that the Connacht Council is for FIVE Counties not ONE. >:( >:( >:(

Ya, nice few lads coming up too...Seami Cunniffe will proudly wear the Green and Red for years to come too...How do you like those apples Rossfan? ;D

How many fit into the stand by the way?  Rossie arse dimensions are known to be bigger than average but a ball park figure will do.

Only County Season ticket holders are entitled to have seats reserved. I'm on to the season ticket office in Croker in a few minutes.
However the Prenty Council people seem to have some funny ideas - a rhubarb accented guy with a  "Connaught(sic) GAA" high vis wouldn't let me in to the debacle v Galway in 2012 as " Them Seashon tiiickets aaaare only forrrr Leeeeague gaaames".
Had to find a more Senior one of them to tell that buck the facts. >:(

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Quote from: Shrewdness on May 28, 2014, 07:04:15 PM
Would be interested to hear the views of the Mayo lads on here about Roscommon. Where are their strengths and weaknesses? If Mayo could take one Ros player to play for them, who would you choose, although i'm sure ye think that none of the Ros players would get on the Mayo team?

Why ask the question and then answer it yourself?

I would take Kilbride and put him in 13. Room would have to be made for Donie Shine in the forwards. The 3rd member of Syf's 'best 3 forwards in Connacht' would have to be looked at as well. I'd keep our backs and midfield, but then there aren't many in any county that I'd swap for in those departments.

With Enda Smith and Diarmuid Murtagh it's up to 5 of 6 now.

It's probably a year too soon for the Murt at Senior and Enda Smith went missing when it mattered most at u21 level nothwithstanding he is easily the most comfortable Roscommon football on the ball since maybe John Hanley.
All in good time for these lads.

Quote from: Rossfan on May 29, 2014, 10:51:41 AM
Only County Season ticket holders are entitled to have seats reserved. I'm on to the season ticket office in Croker in a few minutes.
However the Prenty Council people seem to have some funny ideas - a rhubarb accented guy with a  "Connaught(sic) GAA" high vis wouldn't let me in to the debacle v Galway in 2012 as " Them Seashon tiiickets aaaare only forrrr Leeeeague gaaames".
Had to find a more Senior one of them to tell that buck the facts. >:(

He probably thought you'd take up two seats with the size of the chip on your shoulder!  ;D

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Quote from: Rossfan on May 29, 2014, 10:51:41 AM
Only County Season ticket holders are entitled to have seats reserved. I'm on to the season ticket office in Croker in a few minutes.
However the Prenty Council people seem to have some funny ideas - a rhubarb accented guy with a  "Connaught(sic) GAA" high vis wouldn't let me in to the debacle v Galway in 2012 as " Them Seashon tiiickets aaaare only forrrr Leeeeague gaaames".
Had to find a more Senior one of them to tell that buck the facts. >:(

He probably thought you'd take up two seats with the size of the chip on your shoulder!  ;D

Or his friggin' swelled head! ;D

Wll ladeens and lasheens I've stopped the cunning plan to only house rhus in the Stand. ;)
It's now first come first served for everyone incl Season ticket holders and when the Stand is full it's on to the open seats.
Now if only Johneen and the lads could stymie part 2 of the cunning plan for Rhubarb domination......

Quote from: Rossfan on May 29, 2014, 08:05:55 PM
Wll ladeens and lasheens I've stopped the cunning plan to only house rhus in the Stand. ;)
It's now first come first served for everyone incl Season ticket holders and when the Stand is full it's on to the open seats.
Now if only Johneen and the lads could stymie part 2 of the cunning plan for Rhubarb domination......

That was fairly obvious from the outset, and it was all triggered by a rumour on stolensheep! You wouldn't want to take anything the Rossie hoors say for certain! ;)

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Quote from: Rossfan on May 29, 2014, 10:28:34 AM

Quote from: weareros on May 28, 2014, 11:41:40 PM
What a stupid conversation by Ros posters asking Mayo posters what Ros players they'd like to have.

Well said.
We don't want any of our players goin near them hoors
It seems the Prentyfia are not releasing any stand seats for sale so the rumour that they are all reserved for Rhubarb Club season ticket holders must be true.
When will the delegates from the other 4 Connacht Counties grow some balls and let them know that the Connacht Council is for FIVE Counties not ONE. >:( >:( >:(

Ya, nice few lads coming up too...Seami Cunniffe will proudly wear the Green and Red for years to come too...How do you like those apples Rossfan? ;D

How many fit into the stand by the way?  Rossie arse dimensions are known to be bigger than average but a ball park figure will do.
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Drink has him off the minor panel.

Quote from: Rossfan on May 29, 2014, 08:05:55 PM
Wll ladeens and lasheens I've stopped the cunning plan to only house rhus in the Stand. ;)
It's now first come first served for everyone incl Season ticket holders and when the Stand is full it's on to the open seats.
Now if only Johneen and the lads could stymie part 2 of the cunning plan for Rhubarb domination......

f**k the Stand in The Hyde! It s like watching a match from a different time zone anyway with all the rubble between the seats  and the pitch. Far better experience the other side with the bit of an awning to give a bit of cover if it s hot and you re red in the head ........ a species that getting fewer and fewer even in the last bastions of the west. I ve a stand ticket but wouldn t go near the stand. Last time in The Hyde I got a good soaking in the rain and gale on the terrace but I enjoyed the game. These games are a gift. I won t be troubling anybody for a stand seat.

Ye better hope he's kept on the bench, would be hard to watch the poor Rossies bouncing off this lad on their own pitch

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Quote from: Tubberman on May 30, 2014, 08:57:30 AM
Ye better hope he's kept on the bench, would be hard to watch the poor Rossies bouncing off this lad on their own pitch

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Let's see him bouncing a ball first.

Quote from: macdanger2 on May 28, 2014, 01:07:44 AM
Is Adam Gallagher gone off the panel completely??

Would be very disappointed if he was. Showed enough in the early league games that he could be developed into a viable option, but hasn't been seen since. Anyone know if he has completely fallen out of favour with management?

Quote from: bucko on May 30, 2014, 12:36:28 PM

Quote from: macdanger2 on May 28, 2014, 01:07:44 AM
Is Adam Gallagher gone off the panel completely??

Would be very disappointed if he was. Showed enough in the early league games that he could be developed into a viable option, but hasn't been seen since. Anyone know if he has completely fallen out of favour with management?

We're fairly good at keeping things very hush hush and it can be awful annoying at times. The way Horan doesn't name a bench when the team is named. I can see why it's done though.
Maybe a few more interview with AOS will reveal more!

The only way i can see Gavin Duffy playing against Ros, is if Mayo are winning by 10 -15 points with 10 mins remaining. He could come on then. But if Mayo are having any trouble putting Ros away, Horan will turn to the more regular subs.

Lads have any of yee seen Duffy playing at all? How would you rate him?

Good under a high ball, never really suited to the wing. Was in Murrayfield the day he scored a six nations try

Quote from: Mayo4Sam on May 30, 2014, 02:14:43 PM
Good under a high ball, never really suited to the wing. Was in Murrayfield the day he scored a six nations try

I suppose Prenty will appoint Sludden as Ref so  ;D >:(

Quote from: Shrewdness on May 30, 2014, 01:24:40 PM
The only way i can see Gavin Duffy playing against Ros, is if Mayo are winning by 10 -15 points with 10 mins remaining. He could come on then. But if Mayo are having any trouble putting Ros away, Horan will turn to the more regular subs.

Can take it we will definitely see him then.

Will there be a curtain raiser to this match or is it stand alone?

Curtain raiser is an Intermediate Hurling match, Ros v Mayo at 12pm.

What I can't understand is why they persist in this nonsense. As a stand alone fixture the hurling game would attract about 100 paying spectators, yet they risk cutting up the pitch for the main event that 20-30k will pay to attend

I think they're expecting about 15-20,000 at it. It's live on RTE2 for those staying at home.

I'd like to see feeney start this game.

Quote from: larryin89 on June 01, 2014, 08:37:07 PM
I'd like to see feeney start this game.

Kenny Feeney will start for the Hurlers.

Mayo by 10

Will ye bate Galway?
I think we will give Mayo a rattle but you cant argue with their recent pedigree and domination of us over the last thirteen years.Surely they should review their All Ireland winning plans this year and try losing to us and going the back door route like Galway did in 2001?

I've been informed Duffy can't start until he plays club? Can that be right?

Quote from: larryin89 on June 01, 2014, 11:33:15 PM
I've been informed Duffy can't start until he plays club? Can that be right?

I'd imagine so. A bit Seanie Johnsonesque. Not aure of the fine print though.

Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 01, 2014, 11:47:23 PM

Quote from: larryin89 on June 01, 2014, 11:33:15 PM
I've been informed Duffy can't start until he plays club? Can that be right?

I'd imagine so. A bit Seanie Johnsonesque. Not aure of the fine print though.

Time to root out a hurley.

Salthill play next Sunday, prenty to approach Galway county board to rearrange it for sat night.

Salthill seniors are playing Saturday.
Their intermediate team play on Sunday & their seniors have to play before that team (to rule out regraded players playing for both teams in championship).
Duffy played a league game for the Salthill intermediate team a few weeks ago.came off the bench

Quote from: larryin89 on June 01, 2014, 11:33:15 PM
I've been informed Duffy can't start until he plays club? Can that be right?

Why would that be?

He isn't looking to play for a different county.

Not that I think we will see him anyway.

I don't think that's the case as he is playing for his home county. He now plays club football in Galway so I don't think it matters at all.

That's what I thought but this fella is adamant that he has to feature for salthill till he can tog for county .

Quote from: larryin89 on June 02, 2014, 03:47:28 PM
That's what I thought but this fella is adamant that he has to feature for salthill till he can tog for county .

Who was telling you this?Syferus? ;)

Quote from: ballinaman on June 02, 2014, 03:49:56 PM

Quote from: larryin89 on June 02, 2014, 03:47:28 PM
That's what I thought but this fella is adamant that he has to feature for salthill till he can tog for county .

Who was telling you this?Syferus? ;)

Gavin Duffy.

Ye still have a bit to teach him about the rules.

Quote from: Syferus on June 02, 2014, 03:54:56 PM

Quote from: ballinaman on June 02, 2014, 03:49:56 PM

Quote from: larryin89 on June 02, 2014, 03:47:28 PM
That's what I thought but this fella is adamant that he has to feature for salthill till he can tog for county .

Who was telling you this?Syferus? ;)

Gavin Duffy.

Ye still have a bit to teach him about the rules.

What are you on about, you fell for it too, with your  sj Hurley reference . You are full of it , if you try to make out you were just takin the piss.

Look he s already played club. whether that was a necessary requirement or not ( I don t think it was) he s in.

I don t know if Duffy is going to have a role to play but if he has I expect we ll see him on the pitch sooner than later.

Quote from: larryin89 on June 02, 2014, 03:59:10 PM

Quote from: Syferus on June 02, 2014, 03:54:56 PM

Quote from: ballinaman on June 02, 2014, 03:49:56 PM

Quote from: larryin89 on June 02, 2014, 03:47:28 PM
That's what I thought but this fella is adamant that he has to feature for salthill till he can tog for county .

Who was telling you this?Syferus? ;)

Gavin Duffy.

Ye still have a bit to teach him about the rules.

What are you on about, you fell for it too, with your  sj Hurley reference . You are full of it , if you try to make out you were just takin the piss.

Both posts were fecking jokes so I don't know where this personal offense has come from.

You were the one lamenting people taking the board too seriously a few days ago and yet you come out with some of the most revved comments I see that aren't entirely wind-up attempts.

Quote from: ballinaman on May 28, 2014, 08:54:06 AM
If the game was this Sunday, I reckon it would look like...
Hennelly
Cunniffe,Caff,Higgins
Vaughan,Boyle,Keegan
Parsons,SOS
DOC,AOS,Jason Doc
COC,Andy,Kevin Mc

The locals are predicting a very tight selection by Horan for this with The Mayo News speculating that 13/15 of AI final team starting. Well that s Chris Barrett missing presumably and another. Indications are that Dillon will start so who else goes is intriguing. If Higgins goes back for Barrett and Doc starts that would leave 14/15 starting. But 13 starters makes it more akward - especially if Higgins was to start in the forwards.

Horan was bemoaning the fact that he has had so few players break through from U21 in his time, compared say to Roscommon. Presumably he did so with a straight face  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Quote from: moysider on June 02, 2014, 10:45:55 PM

Quote from: ballinaman on May 28, 2014, 08:54:06 AM
If the game was this Sunday, I reckon it would look like...
Hennelly
Cunniffe,Caff,Higgins
Vaughan,Boyle,Keegan
Parsons,SOS
DOC,AOS,Jason Doc
COC,Andy,Kevin Mc

The locals are predicting a very tight selection by Horan for this with The Mayo News speculating that 13/15 of AI final team starting. Well that s Chris Barrett missing presumably and another. Indications are that Dillon will start so who else goes is intriguing. If Higgins goes back for Barrett and Doc starts that would leave 14/15 starting. But 13 starters makes it more akward - especially if Higgins was to start in the forwards.

Horan was bemoaning the fact that he has had so few players break through from U21 in his time, compared say to Roscommon. Presumably he did so with a straight face  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Freeman?

Quote from: moysider on June 02, 2014, 10:45:55 PM

Quote from: ballinaman on May 28, 2014, 08:54:06 AM
If the game was this Sunday, I reckon it would look like...
Hennelly
Cunniffe,Caff,Higgins
Vaughan,Boyle,Keegan
Parsons,SOS
DOC,AOS,Jason Doc
COC,Andy,Kevin Mc

The locals are predicting a very tight selection by Horan for this with The Mayo News speculating that 13/15 of AI final team starting. Well that s Chris Barrett missing presumably and another. Indications are that Dillon will start so who else goes is intriguing. If Higgins goes back for Barrett and Doc starts that would leave 14/15 starting. But 13 starters makes it more akward - especially if Higgins was to start in the forwards.

Horan was bemoaning the fact that he has had so few players break through from U21 in his time, compared say to Roscommon. Presumably he did so with a straight face  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Do you think hell give feeney any gametime?

Quote from: muppet on June 02, 2014, 10:49:56 PM

Quote from: moysider on June 02, 2014, 10:45:55 PM

Quote from: ballinaman on May 28, 2014, 08:54:06 AM
If the game was this Sunday, I reckon it would look like...
Hennelly
Cunniffe,Caff,Higgins
Vaughan,Boyle,Keegan
Parsons,SOS
DOC,AOS,Jason Doc
COC,Andy,Kevin Mc

The locals are predicting a very tight selection by Horan for this with The Mayo News speculating that 13/15 of AI final team starting. Well that s Chris Barrett missing presumably and another. Indications are that Dillon will start so who else goes is intriguing. If Higgins goes back for Barrett and Doc starts that would leave 14/15 starting. But 13 starters makes it more akward - especially if Higgins was to start in the forwards.

Horan was bemoaning the fact that he has had so few players break through from U21 in his time, compared say to Roscommon. Presumably he did so with a straight face  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Freeman?

Well yes. Leaving out our League top scorer might not make sense to a lot of people but it does to us :'(
But Mayo News speculating Dillon and Freeman start?

Quote from: larryin89 on June 02, 2014, 10:52:54 PM

Quote from: moysider on June 02, 2014, 10:45:55 PM

Quote from: ballinaman on May 28, 2014, 08:54:06 AM
If the game was this Sunday, I reckon it would look like...
Hennelly
Cunniffe,Caff,Higgins
Vaughan,Boyle,Keegan
Parsons,SOS
DOC,AOS,Jason Doc
COC,Andy,Kevin Mc

The locals are predicting a very tight selection by Horan for this with The Mayo News speculating that 13/15 of AI final team starting. Well that s Chris Barrett missing presumably and another. Indications are that Dillon will start so who else goes is intriguing. If Higgins goes back for Barrett and Doc starts that would leave 14/15 starting. But 13 starters makes it more akward - especially if Higgins was to start in the forwards.

Horan was bemoaning the fact that he has had so few players break through from U21 in his time, compared say to Roscommon. Presumably he did so with a straight face  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Do you think hell give feeney any gametime?

Maybe, but incidental if any imo. I doubt he and maybe another would still be in the panel at all except that their removal would have drawn too much heat because they are well known. Last year s AI final tells us all we need to know about how Feeney is regarded by management.

Feeney would be a positive for me and although I'd be unpopular for saying this , I'd start him before Dillon .

At the end of the day though , Roscommon are not great at the back and I can't see how they have improved that much from 12 months ago in this department , I expect Cillian to run riot tbh.

Evans might attempt to go Mcguinness on this game and park 13 players in behind .

Quote from: larryin89 on June 02, 2014, 11:25:07 PM
Feeney would be a positive for me and although I'd be unpopular for saying this , I'd start him before Dillon .At the end of the day though , Roscommon are not great at the back and I can't see how they have improved that much from 12 months ago in this department , I expect Cillian to run riot tbh.

Evans might attempt to go Mcguinness on this game and park 13 players in behind .

Don t get me wrong. I personally rate Richie Feeney very highly. I m not sure Management does though and last year's final seems to suggest that they don t because that game was crying out for him. The last 20mins were made for him. If they didn t consider him there, where do they use him?

Quote from: moysider on June 02, 2014, 11:37:28 PM

Quote from: larryin89 on June 02, 2014, 11:25:07 PM
Feeney would be a positive for me and although I'd be unpopular for saying this , I'd start him before Dillon .At the end of the day though , Roscommon are not great at the back and I can't see how they have improved that much from 12 months ago in this department , I expect Cillian to run riot tbh.

Evans might attempt to go Mcguinness on this game and park 13 players in behind .

Don t get me wrong. I personally rate Richie Feeney very highly. I m not sure Management does though and last year's final seems to suggest that they don t because that game was crying out for him. The last 20mins were made for him. If they didn t consider him there, where do they use him?

To talk to the media, apparently.

Quote from: Syferus on June 02, 2014, 11:45:02 PM

Quote from: moysider on June 02, 2014, 11:37:28 PM

Quote from: larryin89 on June 02, 2014, 11:25:07 PM
Feeney would be a positive for me and although I'd be unpopular for saying this , I'd start him before Dillon .At the end of the day though , Roscommon are not great at the back and I can't see how they have improved that much from 12 months ago in this department , I expect Cillian to run riot tbh.

Evans might attempt to go Mcguinness on this game and park 13 players in behind .

Don t get me wrong. I personally rate Richie Feeney very highly. I m not sure Management does though and last year's final seems to suggest that they don t because that game was crying out for him. The last 20mins were made for him. If they didn t consider him there, where do they use him?

To talk to the media, apparently.

Apparently so. 

Quote from: larryin89 on June 02, 2014, 11:25:07 PM
Feeney would be a positive for me and although I'd be unpopular for saying this , I'd start him before Dillon .

At the end of the day though , Roscommon are not great at the back and I can't see how they have improved that much from 12 months ago in this department , I expect Cillian to run riot tbh.

Evans might attempt to go Mcguinness on this game and park 13 players in behind .

I doubt it but I dunno to be honest. I ve never been less familiar with a Roscommon team in all my life.
But a couple of things. People seem to have forgotten that Donegal have won an AI in '12 with a system that was refined to to as close to perfection as can be realistically achievable. It s very unlikely that Roscommon can relpicate that kind of game, from Div. 3,  because while they have quality players they don t have the players like Lacey that can make that game work. Evans is a Kerry man and I doubt that type of game is in his DNA.

Quote from: moysider on June 03, 2014, 12:41:49 AM

Quote from: larryin89 on June 02, 2014, 11:25:07 PM
Feeney would be a positive for me and although I'd be unpopular for saying this , I'd start him before Dillon .

At the end of the day though , Roscommon are not great at the back and I can't see how they have improved that much from 12 months ago in this department , I expect Cillian to run riot tbh.

Evans might attempt to go Mcguinness on this game and park 13 players in behind .

I doubt it but I dunno to be honest. I ve never been less familiar with a Roscommon team in all my life.
But a couple of things. People seem to have forgotten that Donegal have won an AI in '12 with a system that was refined to to as close to perfection as can be realistically achievable. It s very unlikely that Roscommon can relpicate that kind of game, from Div. 3,  because while they have quality players they don t have the players like Lacey that can make that game work. Evans is a Kerry man and I doubt that type of game is in his DNA.

Evans is no football purist. He employed those very tactics last year against Tyrone and had them reeling. Belief on our part was all that was needed to translate the performance into a victory. Evans is a very adaptable manager and I'm sure he's thought long and hard about what set-up gives us the best chance of beating Mayo.

Haven't a clue how he'll approach this game. Last year we actually competed well around the middle for the first 25 minutes - it was 0-07 to 0-04 around that point and we'd missed two frees and been on the end of Michael Duffy's usual antics - but it didn't make much difference. You could see all confidence ebb away from us when Mayo took control of the game. Tactics were out the window after that.

More than any blanket defense everyone knows Mayo's strength lies in 5-9. Crowding and contesting that area effectively would have a huge effect on Mayo's ability to score and play the game they want to. None of which means we can actually exploit Mayo there but if we make this game a game where possession is shared we'll always fancy our chances of our forwards making something happen with that much of the ball, we shouldn't be as mentally frail as we were last year.

Ironically the Kerryman did try a makeshift version of the blanket against Tyrone last year and I think he even made himself sick because he has not gone back to it in the league. Then again there was little need.

Seriously? Then ballinaman's team is correct with Diarmuid O'Connor replaced by Dillon. I don't rate Dillon anymore I'm afraid. There on name only. I might be wrong though. Someone wrote that he was no better than the man he replaced in NY.

Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 03, 2014, 07:24:59 AM
Seriously? Then ballinaman's team is correct with Diarmuid O'Connor replaced by Dillon. I don't rate Dillon anymore I'm afraid. There on name only. I might be wrong though. Someone wrote that he was no better than the man he replaced in NY.

Parsons unlikely to start from ballinaman's 15.

You might not rate Dillon but in his defence we haven t seen a fully fit Dillon in years and if he is back fully fit then that is a big + for us imo. Besides who else is there? O Connor the younger has not done enough to convince me he is able for it yet. Hopefully he ll get there in time.

Anyway it s just guesswork on our part and indeed the local media as well. We ll have to wait and see what team is announced. Indeed it is hard to see how exactly 6 forwards from Andy, Kevin Mac, Dillon, Doherty, COC and Freeman would shape up.
I expect the Bear Brothers will be the midfield with Parsons held in reserve and Duffy to come on as well of course ;)

Quote from: moysider on June 03, 2014, 12:11:25 PM

Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 03, 2014, 07:24:59 AM
Seriously? Then ballinaman's team is correct with Diarmuid O'Connor replaced by Dillon. I don't rate Dillon anymore I'm afraid. There on name only. I might be wrong though. Someone wrote that he was no better than the man he replaced in NY.

Parsons unlikely to start from ballinaman's 15.

You might not rate Dillon but in his defence we haven t seen a fully fit Dillon in years and if he is back fully fit then that is a big + for us imo. Besides who else is there? O Connor the younger has not done enough to convince me he is able for it yet. Hopefully he ll get there in time.

Anyway it s just guesswork on our part and indeed the local media as well. We ll have to wait and see what team is announced. Indeed it is hard to see how exactly 6 forwards from Andy, Kevin Mac, Dillon, Doherty, COC and Freeman would shape up.
I expect the Bear Brothers will be the midfield with Parsons held in reserve and Duffy to come on as well of course ;)

It would be easy to make a 6 out of that based roughly on the positions they made their inter-county names in.

10. Kevin 11. Andy. 12. Alan D.. 13 COC. 14. Alan F. 15 Doc

Pull COC out a bit behind the other 2 and I would be very happy with that 6.

Quote from: muppet on June 03, 2014, 12:14:56 PM

Quote from: moysider on June 03, 2014, 12:11:25 PM

Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 03, 2014, 07:24:59 AM
Seriously? Then ballinaman's team is correct with Diarmuid O'Connor replaced by Dillon. I don't rate Dillon anymore I'm afraid. There on name only. I might be wrong though. Someone wrote that he was no better than the man he replaced in NY.

Parsons unlikely to start from ballinaman's 15.

You might not rate Dillon but in his defence we haven t seen a fully fit Dillon in years and if he is back fully fit then that is a big + for us imo. Besides who else is there? O Connor the younger has not done enough to convince me he is able for it yet. Hopefully he ll get there in time.

Anyway it s just guesswork on our part and indeed the local media as well. We ll have to wait and see what team is announced. Indeed it is hard to see how exactly 6 forwards from Andy, Kevin Mac, Dillon, Doherty, COC and Freeman would shape up.
I expect the Bear Brothers will be the midfield with Parsons held in reserve and Duffy to come on as well of course ;)

It would be easy to make a 6 out of that based roughly on the positions they made their inter-county names in.

10. Kevin 11. Andy. 12. Alan D.. 13 COC. 14. Alan F. 15 Doc

Pull COC out a bit behind the other 2 and I would be very happy with that 6.

Agreed Muppet.

Mayo News said Parsons has a hamstring problem. I reckon he would have started otherwise.

Quote from: ballinaman on June 03, 2014, 12:30:51 PM

Quote from: muppet on June 03, 2014, 12:14:56 PM

Quote from: moysider on June 03, 2014, 12:11:25 PM

Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 03, 2014, 07:24:59 AM
Seriously? Then ballinaman's team is correct with Diarmuid O'Connor replaced by Dillon. I don't rate Dillon anymore I'm afraid. There on name only. I might be wrong though. Someone wrote that he was no better than the man he replaced in NY.

Parsons unlikely to start from ballinaman's 15.

You might not rate Dillon but in his defence we haven t seen a fully fit Dillon in years and if he is back fully fit then that is a big + for us imo. Besides who else is there? O Connor the younger has not done enough to convince me he is able for it yet. Hopefully he ll get there in time.

Anyway it s just guesswork on our part and indeed the local media as well. We ll have to wait and see what team is announced. Indeed it is hard to see how exactly 6 forwards from Andy, Kevin Mac, Dillon, Doherty, COC and Freeman would shape up.
I expect the Bear Brothers will be the midfield with Parsons held in reserve and Duffy to come on as well of course ;)

It would be easy to make a 6 out of that based roughly on the positions they made their inter-county names in.

10. Kevin 11. Andy. 12. Alan D.. 13 COC. 14. Alan F. 15 Doc

Pull COC out a bit behind the other 2 and I would be very happy with that 6.

Agreed Muppet.

Mayo News said Parsons has a hamstring problem. I reckon he would have started otherwise.

Instead of?

I agree about the 6 Muppet has chosen on paper but I can t see it work in reality. There is only one wing forward in it ( Kevin Mac). Even a fully fit again Dillon would not have the mobility needed to chase back if chosen there. We might get away with it for a few games but would eventually get caught again. I don t like Andy playing 11 either because he tries too many speculative kick passes that don t come off. I' d prefer 10. Kevin Mac 11. COC 12. Doherty 13. Dillon. 14. Andy 15 Freeman. But as I say I m not convinced about them as a unit.

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Quote from: muppet on June 03, 2014, 12:14:56 PM

Quote from: moysider on June 03, 2014, 12:11:25 PM

Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 03, 2014, 07:24:59 AM
Seriously? Then ballinaman's team is correct with Diarmuid O'Connor replaced by Dillon. I don't rate Dillon anymore I'm afraid. There on name only. I might be wrong though. Someone wrote that he was no better than the man he replaced in NY.

Parsons unlikely to start from ballinaman's 15.

You might not rate Dillon but in his defence we haven t seen a fully fit Dillon in years and if he is back fully fit then that is a big + for us imo. Besides who else is there? O Connor the younger has not done enough to convince me he is able for it yet. Hopefully he ll get there in time.

Anyway it s just guesswork on our part and indeed the local media as well. We ll have to wait and see what team is announced. Indeed it is hard to see how exactly 6 forwards from Andy, Kevin Mac, Dillon, Doherty, COC and Freeman would shape up.
I expect the Bear Brothers will be the midfield with Parsons held in reserve and Duffy to come on as well of course ;)

It would be easy to make a 6 out of that based roughly on the positions they made their inter-county names in.

10. Kevin 11. Andy. 12. Alan D.. 13 COC. 14. Alan F. 15 Doc

Pull COC out a bit behind the other 2 and I would be very happy with that 6.

Agreed Muppet.

Mayo News said Parsons has a hamstring problem. I reckon he would have started otherwise.

Instead of?

Dillon.
With SOS or AOS at centre forward. Heard Dillon wasn't too hectic vs Castlebar.

Quote from: ballinaman on June 03, 2014, 12:47:17 PM

Quote from: moysider on June 03, 2014, 12:41:08 PM

Quote from: ballinaman on June 03, 2014, 12:30:51 PM

Quote from: muppet on June 03, 2014, 12:14:56 PM

Quote from: moysider on June 03, 2014, 12:11:25 PM

Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 03, 2014, 07:24:59 AM
Seriously? Then ballinaman's team is correct with Diarmuid O'Connor replaced by Dillon. I don't rate Dillon anymore I'm afraid. There on name only. I might be wrong though. Someone wrote that he was no better than the man he replaced in NY.

Parsons unlikely to start from ballinaman's 15.

You might not rate Dillon but in his defence we haven t seen a fully fit Dillon in years and if he is back fully fit then that is a big + for us imo. Besides who else is there? O Connor the younger has not done enough to convince me he is able for it yet. Hopefully he ll get there in time.

Anyway it s just guesswork on our part and indeed the local media as well. We ll have to wait and see what team is announced. Indeed it is hard to see how exactly 6 forwards from Andy, Kevin Mac, Dillon, Doherty, COC and Freeman would shape up.
I expect the Bear Brothers will be the midfield with Parsons held in reserve and Duffy to come on as well of course ;)

It would be easy to make a 6 out of that based roughly on the positions they made their inter-county names in.

10. Kevin 11. Andy. 12. Alan D.. 13 COC. 14. Alan F. 15 Doc

Pull COC out a bit behind the other 2 and I would be very happy with that 6.

Agreed Muppet.

Mayo News said Parsons has a hamstring problem. I reckon he would have started otherwise.

Instead of?

Dillon.
With SOS or AOS at centre forward. Heard Dillon wasn't too hectic vs Castlebar.

Surely ye've seen enough of AOS at CF to know it doesn't suit him?

He'd be a CB's dream match-up, someone like Daly who loves to pour forward would run him ragged. He's just too immobile in defence to match-up on anyone but a midfielder. I don't think he has the vision to be as much of a pivot in the passing game as you need your CF to be.

He's an All-Star midfielder and with the right partner he can be the best midfielder in the country. I think it'd be madness switching him around again.

SOS at 11 might be worth a look.

Syfín, your fascination with all things  Rhubarb is embarrassing.
Let them stew in their own difficulties and worry instead about how we can stop them running up a cricket score against our porous defence and non tackling midfielders and forwards..

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Seriously? Then ballinaman's team is correct with Diarmuid O'Connor replaced by Dillon. I don't rate Dillon anymore I'm afraid. There on name only. I might be wrong though. Someone wrote that he was no better than the man he replaced in NY.

Parsons unlikely to start from ballinaman's 15.

You might not rate Dillon but in his defence we haven t seen a fully fit Dillon in years and if he is back fully fit then that is a big + for us imo. Besides who else is there? O Connor the younger has not done enough to convince me he is able for it yet. Hopefully he ll get there in time.

Anyway it s just guesswork on our part and indeed the local media as well. We ll have to wait and see what team is announced. Indeed it is hard to see how exactly 6 forwards from Andy, Kevin Mac, Dillon, Doherty, COC and Freeman would shape up.
I expect the Bear Brothers will be the midfield with Parsons held in reserve and Duffy to come on as well of course ;)

It would be easy to make a 6 out of that based roughly on the positions they made their inter-county names in.

10. Kevin 11. Andy. 12. Alan D.. 13 COC. 14. Alan F. 15 Doc

Pull COC out a bit behind the other 2 and I would be very happy with that 6.

Agreed Muppet.

Mayo News said Parsons has a hamstring problem. I reckon he would have started otherwise.

Instead of?

Dillon.
With SOS or AOS at centre forward. Heard Dillon wasn't too hectic vs Castlebar.

That d make more sense but I still don t see a no.12. Doherty never seems to get on enough ball outside and Andy wouldn t appear to have the legs for it. I was hoping Adam Gallagher would be there by now but I dunno what happened to that project? Strange one that. In spite if Syfín's heart rendering concern for him at 11 I d like to see AOS at 11. If we re on top around the middle his marker might have more to be doin that haring up the field.

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Seriously? Then ballinaman's team is correct with Diarmuid O'Connor replaced by Dillon. I don't rate Dillon anymore I'm afraid. There on name only. I might be wrong though. Someone wrote that he was no better than the man he replaced in NY.

Niall Daly is daft enough to go haring up the field regrardless of what's happening behind him.Himself and the brother did it last year and left our fb line totally exposed.

Parsons unlikely to start from ballinaman's 15.

You might not rate Dillon but in his defence we haven t seen a fully fit Dillon in years and if he is back fully fit then that is a big + for us imo. Besides who else is there? O Connor the younger has not done enough to convince me he is able for it yet. Hopefully he ll get there in time.

Anyway it s just guesswork on our part and indeed the local media as well. We ll have to wait and see what team is announced. Indeed it is hard to see how exactly 6 forwards from Andy, Kevin Mac, Dillon, Doherty, COC and Freeman would shape up.
I expect the Bear Brothers will be the midfield with Parsons held in reserve and Duffy to come on as well of course ;)

It would be easy to make a 6 out of that based roughly on the positions they made their inter-county names in.

10. Kevin 11. Andy. 12. Alan D.. 13 COC. 14. Alan F. 15 Doc

Pull COC out a bit behind the other 2 and I would be very happy with that 6.

Agreed Muppet.

Mayo News said Parsons has a hamstring problem. I reckon he would have started otherwise.

Instead of?

Dillon.
With SOS or AOS at centre forward. Heard Dillon wasn't too hectic vs Castlebar.

That d make more sense but I still don t see a no.12. Doherty never seems to get on enough ball outside and Andy wouldn t appear to have the legs for it. I was hoping Adam Gallagher would be there by now but I dunno what happened to that project? Strange one that. In spite if Syfín's heart rendering concern for him at 11 I d like to see AOS at 11. If we re on top around the middle his marker might have more to be doin that haring up the field.

I probably was harsh on Dillon, but is he fully fit to go now? Am I the only one who wants Cillian at no 11? Flanked by McLoughlin and Feeney?? Sweeney, Freeman and Andy in the full-forward line then. It's not going to happen now as it didn't happen in the league, but I reckon with the 'freshening up' that McStay was on about it's as close to freshening up you'd get.

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I probably was harsh on Dillon, but is he fully fit to go now? Am I the only one who wants Cillian at no 11? Flanked by McLoughlin and Feeney?? Sweeney, Freeman and Andy in the full-forward line then. It's not going to happen now as it didn't happen in the league, but I reckon with the 'freshening up' that McStay was on about it's as close to freshening up you'd get.

That's exactly what id go for on the hf line,it surely is the strongest we have.

The only other thing is how do we deal with the western gaels buck Higgins in the middle,if parsons is not 100% ,id worry about the stamina and speed of the breaffy bears against the inform higgans.

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I probably was harsh on Dillon, but is he fully fit to go now? Am I the only one who wants Cillian at no 11? Flanked by McLoughlin and Feeney?? Sweeney, Freeman and Andy in the full-forward line then. It's not going to happen now as it didn't happen in the league, but I reckon with the 'freshening up' that McStay was on about it's as close to freshening up you'd get.

That's exactly what id go for on the hf line,it surely is the strongest we have.

The only other thing is how do we deal with the western gaels buck Higgins in the middle,if parsons is not 100% ,id worry about the stamina and speed of the breaffy bears against the inform higgans.

I'm probably going to leave Hyde Park on Sunday with a huge slice of humble pie here, if my predictions are anything to go by, but I reckon the 2 O'Sheas are well able to handle the Western Gaels buck Higgins. I don't know much about Ros as I only saw them once this year in the Div 3 Final. Therefore Ros may be better than we think they are or they may be shown up as an ordinary Div 3 team who just won promotion to Division 2... That's also why I put 'Western Gaels buck Higgins' as, quite frankly I'm not fully sure who Higgins is etc. I'll probably know on Sunday after the same buck scores 2-20 and leaves us all dumbfounded.

He'd played against ye enough to know his feckin' name at this stage.

Alot of D3 teams were truly terrible this year. The one thing I know for sure we're not is an ordinary D3 team.

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I'm probably going to leave Hyde Park on Sunday with a huge slice of humble pie

We live in hope .... ;D

Did ya see a buck in 2012 all Ireland final day outside phill ryans with a roscommon accent wearing a donegal top, that was the higgans buck.

Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 03, 2014, 08:12:47 PM
I probably was harsh on Dillon, but is he fully fit to go now? Am I the only one who wants Cillian at no 11? Flanked by McLoughlin and Feeney?? Sweeney, Freeman and Andy in the full-forward line then. It's not going to happen now as it didn't happen in the league, but I reckon with the 'freshening up' that McStay was on about it's as close to freshening up you'd get.

I ve always thought Cillian would be best at 11 and I agree that this is probably the best half forward line available to us. But I can t see it happening or I should say I can t see the Feeney bit happening obviously.
I don t fancy your ff line though. I thought Sweeney struggled at times in league games and can t see him push on into the championship. Jason Doherty is still miles ahead of him as an inside forward. So too would Dillon of course.

For the life of me, I can't see Cillian anywhere other than centre forward. He'd be wasted in any other position. He's the most complete all rounder we have and if we are to go anywhere this year, he'll be needed at his best.
I can't see the logic of playing either of the bears in that position. They are excellent midfielders but I think, as McStay might put it, they have  limited skill sets. They just don't have the subtle touches and ball control a good CF needs.
IMO, Andy is a must for FF.
He may have lost a bit of pace but he is still a class player and his cuteness is badly needed in the forwards. For me, it's a case of adapting the game plan to make use of his skills rather than expecting him to play a running, passing game. Apart from that pair, skill is in short supply amongst the forwards. Effort in plenty but little to show for it.
BTW, it seems the bould James is more upbeat than Farr about our chances.
This is what he had to say, according to the Mayo News.

"We are getting good players into the panel, and our panel is getting stronger each season," the manager concluded. "I suppose we are excited again this year in the sense that we can improve in different areas and if we can do that, we feel we'll be very competitive."

I sure hope he is right but somehow or another, I think he's a bit over-optimistic.

It's strange. Horan was far less bullish in years where things were going better, less quick with the talk of championship pace leagues (if Mayo's performance against Derry is Mayo's idea of championship pace we will be very happy campers on Sunday) and talking about other teams' weaknesses or levels.

I dunno if he's trying to dispel the cloud that's been over Mayo as a county since September. Everything I heard suggested he was dead-set on doing that by winning a league title but that didn't go anywhere close to plan.

I suppose he knows he's probably one defeat from this huge journey he and that team have been on being over so he's doing everything and anything this year. Well, except for changing the line-up.

Team Announced
Darren O'Malley

Seanie McDermott
Niall Carty
Neil Collins

Ian Kilbride
Niall Daly
Ciaran Cafferky

Cathal Shine
Kevin Higgins

David O Gara
Donal Shine
Ronan Stack

Senan Kilbride
Cathal Cregg
Ciaran Murtagh

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Team Announced
Darren O'Malley

Seanie McDermott
Niall Carty
Neil Collins

Ian Kilbride
Niall Daly
Ciaran Cafferky

Cathal Shine
Kevin Higgins

David O Gara
Donal Shine
Ronan Stack

Senan Kilbride
Cathal Cregg
Ciaran Murtagh

Just the one enforced change. If Ian is fully fit he should add some needed physicality to the HB line.

No room for Enda Smith or Diarmuid Murtagh. If all goes to plan they will be tasked with winning the game. No pressure lads.

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Team Announced
Darren O'Malley

Seanie McDermott
Niall Carty
Neil Collins

Ian Kilbride
Niall Daly
Ciaran Cafferky

Cathal Shine
Kevin Higgins

David O Gara
Donal Shine
Ronan Stack

Senan Kilbride
Cathal Cregg
Ciaran Murtagh

Absolutely nothing in that team to prevent an absolute hiding for Roscommon, I have never heard of half of them and the other half have proved year in year out they are average intercounty players who never perform when the pressure is on

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It's strange. Horan was far less bullish in years where things were going better, less quick with the talk of championship pace leagues (if Mayo's performance against Derry is Mayo's idea of championship pace we will be very happy campers on Sunday) and talking about other teams' weaknesses or levels.

I dunno if he's trying to dispel the cloud that's been over Mayo as a county since September. Everything I heard suggested he was dead-set on doing that by winning a league title but that didn't go anywhere close to plan.

I suppose he knows he's probably one defeat from this huge journey he and that team have been on being over so he's doing everything and anything this year. Well, except for changing the line-up.

He came out with fairly bullish and similar statements prior to the Galway match last year so it might be best not invest too much hope in it being false bravado.

http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=192512

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Quote from: Syferus on June 04, 2014, 12:23:30 PM
It's strange. Horan was far less bullish in years where things were going better, less quick with the talk of championship pace leagues (if Mayo's performance against Derry is Mayo's idea of championship pace we will be very happy campers on Sunday) and talking about other teams' weaknesses or levels.

I dunno if he's trying to dispel the cloud that's been over Mayo as a county since September. Everything I heard suggested he was dead-set on doing that by winning a league title but that didn't go anywhere close to plan.

I suppose he knows he's probably one defeat from this huge journey he and that team have been on being over so he's doing everything and anything this year. Well, except for changing the line-up.

He came out with fairly bullish and similar statements prior to the Galway match last year so it might be best not invest too much hope in it being false bravado.

http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=192512

Fair enough but Horan's regular approach has been far more coy than he has been this year. He's not deflecting criticism as much this year either. There is a clear change in his demeanour this year.

He certainly gave some good lines for our team talk on Sunday in the presser for this match and that isn't very Horan-like. We'll see.

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Quote from: Syferus on June 04, 2014, 12:23:30 PM
It's strange. Horan was far less bullish in years where things were going better, less quick with the talk of championship pace leagues (if Mayo's performance against Derry is Mayo's idea of championship pace we will be very happy campers on Sunday) and talking about other teams' weaknesses or levels.

I dunno if he's trying to dispel the cloud that's been over Mayo as a county since September. Everything I heard suggested he was dead-set on doing that by winning a league title but that didn't go anywhere close to plan.

I suppose he knows he's probably one defeat from this huge journey he and that team have been on being over so he's doing everything and anything this year. Well, except for changing the line-up.

He came out with fairly bullish and similar statements prior to the Galway match last year so it might be best not invest too much hope in it being false bravado.

http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=192512

Fair enough but Horan's regular approach has been far more coy than he has been this year. He's not deflecting criticism as much this year either. There is a clear change in his demeanour this year.

He certainly gave some good lines for our team talk on Sunday in the presser for this match and that isn't very Horan-like. We'll see.

Maybe it is typical Horan, and you just don't know him as well as you think you do.
He doesn't do poor-mouth stuff. By and large, he calls it as he sees it.

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It's strange. Horan was far less bullish in years where things were going better, less quick with the talk of championship pace leagues (if Mayo's performance against Derry is Mayo's idea of championship pace we will be very happy campers on Sunday) and talking about other teams' weaknesses or levels.

I dunno if he's trying to dispel the cloud that's been over Mayo as a county since September. Everything I heard suggested he was dead-set on doing that by winning a league title but that didn't go anywhere close to plan.

I suppose he knows he's probably one defeat from this huge journey he and that team have been on being over so he's doing everything and anything this year. Well, except for changing the line-up.

He came out with fairly bullish and similar statements prior to the Galway match last year so it might be best not invest too much hope in it being false bravado.

http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=192512

Fair enough but Horan's regular approach has been far more coy than he has been this year. He's not deflecting criticism as much this year either. There is a clear change in his demeanour this year.

He certainly gave some good lines for our team talk on Sunday in the presser for this match and that isn't very Horan-like. We'll see.

Maybe it is typical Horan, and you just don't know him as well as you think you do.
He doesn't do poor-mouth stuff. By and large, he calls it as he sees it.

He doesn't poor mouth but he's usually trying to get an edge in some manner when he's talking. Everyone heard the rumour about him being coached in how to talk to the media but even if untrue what that story reflects is the idea there's more to what he's saying than simply what he's saying.

I don't see how he can't be trying to giddy up a panel that's four long years on the road and had a bad ending to the league. The addition of Duffy play perfectly into trying to jolt the panel with something.

There's no mistaking Horan is under pressure this year, as much from himself for knowing he may well not be there next year as anything else. He's not cracking but the fault lines have shown in the past ten months.

Someone can exploit them if they're cute enough. I hope we are.

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Quote from: Syferus on June 04, 2014, 12:23:30 PM
It's strange. Horan was far less bullish in years where things were going better, less quick with the talk of championship pace leagues (if Mayo's performance against Derry is Mayo's idea of championship pace we will be very happy campers on Sunday) and talking about other teams' weaknesses or levels.

I dunno if he's trying to dispel the cloud that's been over Mayo as a county since September. Everything I heard suggested he was dead-set on doing that by winning a league title but that didn't go anywhere close to plan.

I suppose he knows he's probably one defeat from this huge journey he and that team have been on being over so he's doing everything and anything this year. Well, except for changing the line-up.

He came out with fairly bullish and similar statements prior to the Galway match last year so it might be best not invest too much hope in it being false bravado.

http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=192512

Fair enough but Horan's regular approach has been far more coy than he has been this year. He's not deflecting criticism as much this year either. There is a clear change in his demeanour this year.

He certainly gave some good lines for our team talk on Sunday in the presser for this match and that isn't very Horan-like. We'll see.

In fairness now you getting close to reading the tea leaves territory or determining the outcome of the game based on how the swallows are flying. Will be hoping myself that I won't see a lone magpie before the game. Never a good sign.

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Quote from: Syferus on June 04, 2014, 01:50:30 PM

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Quote from: Syferus on June 04, 2014, 12:23:30 PM
It's strange. Horan was far less bullish in years where things were going better, less quick with the talk of championship pace leagues (if Mayo's performance against Derry is Mayo's idea of championship pace we will be very happy campers on Sunday) and talking about other teams' weaknesses or levels.

I dunno if he's trying to dispel the cloud that's been over Mayo as a county since September. Everything I heard suggested he was dead-set on doing that by winning a league title but that didn't go anywhere close to plan.

I suppose he knows he's probably one defeat from this huge journey he and that team have been on being over so he's doing everything and anything this year. Well, except for changing the line-up.

He came out with fairly bullish and similar statements prior to the Galway match last year so it might be best not invest too much hope in it being false bravado.

http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=192512

Fair enough but Horan's regular approach has been far more coy than he has been this year. He's not deflecting criticism as much this year either. There is a clear change in his demeanour this year.

He certainly gave some good lines for our team talk on Sunday in the presser for this match and that isn't very Horan-like. We'll see.

In fairness now you getting close to reading the tea leaves territory or determining the outcome of the game based on how the swallows are flying. Will be hoping myself that I won't see a lone magpie before the game. Never a good sign.

Not really. I've watched Horan with interest over the last four seasons. This team is a complete reflection of the man and how he approaches things tends to reflect strongly in what you see out on the field. Before he arrived this panel were on a hiding to nothing. You see some mangers who come along and train teams hard and do all the fundamental skills things right but lads like Horan, McGuiness and to a lesser (successful) extent McGeeney make teams extensions of their own personalities.

Their strengths and weaknesses are magnified by the team. In Horan's case that means Mayo are incredible at pressing teams, turning over ball and counter-attacking. He's very well organised and brings an intensity to Mayo that they were lacking, basically.

On the flip-side Horan has made simply terrible tactical decisions at points in matches. He's a young manager still and he can't read the game in motion as well as some of the balding eagles can.

If you don't understand Horan you don't have a hope of beating Mayo.

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Quote from: PaoloRossi on June 04, 2014, 01:12:40 PM
Team Announced
Darren O'Malley

Seanie McDermott
Niall Carty
Neil Collins

Ian Kilbride
Niall Daly
Ciaran Cafferky

Cathal Shine
Kevin Higgins

David O Gara
Donal Shine
Ronan Stack

Senan Kilbride
Cathal Cregg
Ciaran Murtagh

Just the one enforced change. If Ian is fully fit he should add some needed physicality to the HB line.

No room for Enda Smith or Diarmuid Murtagh. If all goes to plan they will be tasked with winning the game. No pressure lads.

I always thought Ian Kilbride was a quality player who seemed to suffer from injury stirking at the wrong time. What's his form been like lately? Has it dropped off or has he been overtaken by the young guns coming through?

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Quote from: PaoloRossi on June 04, 2014, 01:12:40 PM
Team Announced
Darren O'Malley

Seanie McDermott
Niall Carty
Neil Collins

Ian Kilbride
Niall Daly
Ciaran Cafferky

Cathal Shine
Kevin Higgins

David O Gara
Donal Shine
Ronan Stack

Senan Kilbride
Cathal Cregg
Ciaran Murtagh

Just the one enforced change. If Ian is fully fit he should add some needed physicality to the HB line.

No room for Enda Smith or Diarmuid Murtagh. If all goes to plan they will be tasked with winning the game. No pressure lads.

I always thought Ian Kilbride was a quality player who seemed to suffer from injury stirking at the wrong time. What's his form been like lately? Has it dropped off or has he been overtaken by the young guns coming through?

Ian picked up an ankle injury not long after the AI club final in March 2013. Only genuinely came back for Brigids in the Mitchels CF game in November. I think he continued to struggle with the. Injury though. He was fit enough to start against Cavan in the dead rubber game in April but he picked up another injury afterwards (not sure if it was the ankle again off the top of my head). He's played for Brigids in the league so he's probably fitter now than he has been in over a year. That said Ward, Brogan, Conor Daly and Keenan are all injured and all could easily have been ahead of Ian for a start this year so him starting is as much about need as anything else.

Ian was probably our best HB by a good margin as recently as 2012 so the talent is clearly there. He uses his physicality (he's a rock of a man) better than any of our backs. The other HBs are talented footballers but still need to learn how to stop runs properly. Hopefully Ian can lead the way on that front.

Meanwhile an insight into the Roscommon training session.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9yQcsHwHFw

We have it well sussed now - Syfín has studied Horan and knows he's worried. :-[
Meanwhile our 6th choice Half back is expected to make up for the lack of effort of nos. 6 to 11 in stopping the Rhumachine.
We should be home and hosed by half time  8) 8).
It's probably the best team we could start considering who's out. I expect Enda(if fit) and Diarmuid to appear at some stage.
hopefully we're still in it by the 3 quarter mark and see how it goes from there.

Disappointed that Diarmuid Murtagh isn't starting. The most talented young forward to emerge in Roscommon since Frankie Dolan imo. If he was a Mayo man, i reckon he'd be starting for them on Sunday. This is a big match for John Evans. He's nailed his colours to the mast by picking none of the U-21's. Most Ros people expect to lose on Sunday, but it will be the manner of the defeat that will be watched closely. We need to see signs of progress under Evans. This won't be Div 3 we're playing. We need to see Ros asking serious questions of Mayo well into the second half whilst giving a performance that will allow them to walk off with their heads held high, even in defeat..What won't be tolerated is a repeat of what we witnessed in Castlebar 12 months ago.

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Quote from: Syferus on June 04, 2014, 01:50:30 PM

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Quote from: Syferus on June 04, 2014, 12:23:30 PM
It's strange. Horan was far less bullish in years where things were going better, less quick with the talk of championship pace leagues (if Mayo's performance against Derry is Mayo's idea of championship pace we will be very happy campers on Sunday) and talking about other teams' weaknesses or levels.

I dunno if he's trying to dispel the cloud that's been over Mayo as a county since September. Everything I heard suggested he was dead-set on doing that by winning a league title but that didn't go anywhere close to plan.

I suppose he knows he's probably one defeat from this huge journey he and that team have been on being over so he's doing everything and anything this year. Well, except for changing the line-up.

He came out with fairly bullish and similar statements prior to the Galway match last year so it might be best not invest too much hope in it being false bravado.

http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=192512

Fair enough but Horan's regular approach has been far more coy than he has been this year. He's not deflecting criticism as much this year either. There is a clear change in his demeanour this year.

He certainly gave some good lines for our team talk on Sunday in the presser for this match and that isn't very Horan-like. We'll see.

In fairness now you getting close to reading the tea leaves territory or determining the outcome of the game based on how the swallows are flying. Will be hoping myself that I won't see a lone magpie before the game. Never a good sign.

Not really. I've watched Horan with interest over the last four seasons. This team is a complete reflection of the man and how he approaches things tends to reflect strongly in what you see out on the field. Before he arrived this panel were on a hiding to nothing. You see some mangers who come along and train teams hard and do all the fundamental skills things right but lads like Horan, McGuiness and to a lesser (successful) extent McGeeney make teams extensions of their own personalities.

Their strengths and weaknesses are magnified by the team. In Horan's case that means Mayo are incredible at pressing teams, turning over ball and counter-attacking. He's very well organised and brings an intensity to Mayo that they were lacking, basically.

On the flip-side Horan has made simply terrible tactical decisions at points in matches. He's a young manager still and he can't read the game in motion as well as some of the balding eagles can.

If you don't understand Horan you don't have a hope of beating Mayo.

What a load of absolute muck, your gibberish knows no bounds it appears

Stiff competition in Connacht this year.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpSpBNcIgAAYy3B.jpg)

As long as they don't allow them to use shticks we should be ok.

Henry's just getting greedy now.

Not following your angle on Horan there Syferus.

What would you expect him to say?

Make no mistake , he is confident of beating Roscommon .

Or maybe he should try a bit of the Kerry hoor malarkey.

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=217642

Quote from: larryin89 on June 04, 2014, 08:42:09 PM
Not following your angle on Horan there Syferus.

What would you expect him to say?

Make no mistake , he is confident of beating Roscommon .

Very little to do with what he said before this match alone. I'm talking about how he appears to be approaching things this year. It's certainly not a single interview I'm basing it on.

Quote from: larryin89 on June 04, 2014, 08:47:44 PM
Or maybe he should try a bit of the Kerry hoor malarkey.

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=217642

Why have they a picture of the Tipperary Manager in the article?  ;)

There is going to be some craic on here shortly if the Mayo team i was told is correct

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Quote from: larryin89 on June 04, 2014, 08:47:44 PM
Or maybe he should try a bit of the Kerry hoor malarkey.

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=217642

Cute hoor confident of staging an ambush or realsim because if Ros do lose it will be his task to revive them for the qualifiers? He then would have to present a loss to Mayo as not a bad result at all - as long as he avoids a drubbing and his team performs for him I d say most Ros people will accept that?

Tbh I m not as concerned about this one as I was last year. Mind you last year I was fairly jittery. There were a lot of fitness issues last year with Dillon, Andy and COC in various states of ill-repair. I expect Mayo to have improved again this year based on their maturing age profile and experience and indeed hunger/hurt. And the fact we should be in better health than last 2 years ( touch wood).

There will always be a niggle about playing Roscommon for somebody from my generation. Call it respect. I remember when it was dread.

Contrary to Syfín misgivings we haven t come out of the league  any worse than any other spring under JH. Each campaign has thrown up at least 1 shocker that would, if taken at face value, would have suggested were were going nowhere later.
v Donegal in Ballyshannon in 2013. Dublin in CP 2011. Westmeath In Mullingar 2014. Dublin and Derry 2014.
Syfín I d take JH remarks about winning the league with a large pinch of salt. A reporter looking for a few inches asks Horan. 'Would you like to win the League James?'
'Yes' says James ' We try to win every game, every competition. We d love to win the league. It s the second biggest competition' Imagine if he said 'No. Just survive. The league is a ball of shite' The sponsers would not be happy would they?
That translates into a headline like, HORAN TARGETS LEAGUE TITLE FOR MAYO LOSERS. Then the pundits roll up with opinions about how important it is for Mayo to win a league more than anybody else. My arse. I had no wish to see Mayo do anything but survive in Div.1. On a practical level I don t think we have the squad for a serious cut at both league and championship. There is only one competition that this Mayo team and management is targeting. The Westmeath game this spring we looked like we met in Dunnes Stores carpark 10 mins before throw-in. Other games like Dublin, Derry, Tyrone and Kildare we had moments and indeed periods of heedlessness that makes a mockery of any notion that this was a management taking the competition seriously enough to suggest that they were wanting to win it.

I m not sure exactly how much of his own personality that Horan has stamped on his team either Sy. Like most successful managers he has the team playing in a way that suits the strengths of the teams most influential players rather than him bringing a philosophy. From what I can recall his Ballintubber team did not play exactly like this but Tubberman would have been more familiar there than me and may well beg to differ.

Quote from: mayoman dan on June 04, 2014, 09:27:28 PM
There is going to be some craic on here shortly if the Mayo team i was told is correct

Just tell us the team ffs and let the craic start now! I m bored.

It ll pass the time til we get the official team. I think you re usually on the money Dan.

I m hearing Andy is left out!

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Quote from: mayoman dan on June 04, 2014, 09:27:28 PM
There is going to be some craic on here shortly if the Mayo team i was told is correct

Just tell us the team ffs and let the craic start now! I m bored.

It ll pass the time til we get the official team. I think you re usually on the money Dan.

I m hearing Andy is left out!

Rumour is Larryin89 has been recalled.

 Hennelly Cunniffe Caff Higgins Keegan Boyle Vaughan AOS SOS Doherty Connor o shea Diarmuid o connor Mc Loughlin Freeman Cillian. If anyone can see any logic here could you please enlighten me?

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Quote from: mayoman dan on June 04, 2014, 09:27:28 PM
There is going to be some craic on here shortly if the Mayo team i was told is correct

Just tell us the team ffs and let the craic start now! I m bored.

It ll pass the time til we get the official team. I think you re usually on the money Dan.

I m hearing Andy is left out!

Rumour is Larryin89 has been recalled.

Seriously! I m hearing the 3 Bears are starting and Andy is out.

See. Told yez ;D

Quote from: ballinaman on June 04, 2014, 09:41:20 PM
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Nicely done, Ballinaman.

Quote from: mayoman dan on June 04, 2014, 10:14:06 PM
Hennelly Cunniffe Caff Higgins Keegan Boyle Vaughan AOS SOS Doherty Connor o shea Diarmuid o connor Mc Loughlin Freeman Cillian. If anyone can see any logic here could you please enlighten me?

It s very logical 1-9 and 14-15. What are ye moaning about exactly? ;D

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Quote from: mayoman dan on June 04, 2014, 10:14:06 PM
Hennelly Cunniffe Caff Higgins Keegan Boyle Vaughan AOS SOS Doherty Connor o shea Diarmuid o connor Mc Loughlin Freeman Cillian. If anyone can see any logic here could you please enlighten me?

It s very logical 1-9 and 14-15. What are ye moaning about exactly? ;D

Ah nothing moy i suppose i like surprises its great to see 2 young lads who didnt get a minute in the league starting come championship.

The game is nearly upon us and this hasn't been on the first page since.....

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=21600.msg1110099#msg1110099

Enjoy folks.

Diarmuid played in 4 games in the league.

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Hennelly Cunniffe Caff Higgins Keegan Boyle Vaughan AOS SOS Doherty Connor o shea Diarmuid o connor Mc Loughlin Freeman Cillian. If anyone can see any logic here could you please enlighten me?

It s very logical 1-9 and 14-15. What are ye moaning about exactly? ;D

Ah nothing moy i suppose i like surprises its great to see 2 young lads who didnt get a minute in the league starting come championship.

Yeah I agree Dan. It s great to see Horan give youth a chance - even if they re probably not the best youths he could have got. Ye gotta love surprises. I m sure Syfín is delighted James has introduced new blood too. It was a thing that was concerning him about us.

Is that team announced officially anywhere?

Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 04, 2014, 10:28:39 PM
The game is nearly upon us and this hasn't been on the first page since.....

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=21600.msg1110099#msg1110099

Enjoy folks.

Christ 'deelin. Haven t we enough to be deelin with without bringing up that? Winters are long enough for arguing over that ;D

Horans talks up the roscommon u-21s none start. He talks down the mayo u21s and two starts.

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Quote from: mayoman dan on June 04, 2014, 10:14:06 PM
Hennelly Cunniffe Caff Higgins Keegan Boyle Vaughan AOS SOS Doherty Connor o shea Diarmuid o connor Mc Loughlin Freeman Cillian. If anyone can see any logic here could you please enlighten me?

It s very logical 1-9 and 14-15. What are ye moaning about exactly? ;D

Ah nothing moy i suppose i like surprises its great to see 2 young lads who didnt get a minute in the league starting come championship.

Yeah I agree Dan. It s great to see Horan give youth a chance - even if they re probably not the best youths he could have got. Ye gotta love surprises. I m sure Syfín is delighted James has introduced new blood too. It was a thing that was concerning him about us.

I'm delighted by it.

Quote from: muppet on June 04, 2014, 10:34:34 PM
Is that team announced officially anywhere?

Don t mind that. Just wade in.
I d say it s the team.

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Quote from: mayoman dan on June 04, 2014, 10:14:06 PM
Hennelly Cunniffe Caff Higgins Keegan Boyle Vaughan AOS SOS Doherty Connor o shea Diarmuid o connor Mc Loughlin Freeman Cillian. If anyone can see any logic here could you please enlighten me?

It s very logical 1-9 and 14-15. What are ye moaning about exactly? ;D

Ah nothing moy i suppose i like surprises its great to see 2 young lads who didnt get a minute in the league starting come championship.

Yeah I agree Dan. It s great to see Horan give youth a chance - even if they re probably not the best youths he could have got. Ye gotta love surprises. I m sure Syfín is delighted James has introduced new blood too. It was a thing that was concerning him about us.

I'm delighted by it.

Of course you are. Horan starts 2 lads that were overrun in an U21 match against ye in March. What s not to like about that - if the leak is on the money.

That will leave Evans scratching his head!! Adds a bit of interest to the game and if the 2 lads are not performing we have plenty on the bench. Result will be the same and from what I'm hearing we can expect a performance similar to last year. Lads are hungry focused and rarin to go. Will be a long miserable afternoon for the home supporters by all accounts. 

Oh well. Cillian won't be wearing the no11 jersey it seems while Horan is boss. I'm worried by that half forward line. McLoughlin was expected to do a roaming job from no13 in the league. It didn't happen either. Our defence will have to be on top of their game. As will the two in midfield.

Edit that as it is the team.

Quote from: larryin89 on June 04, 2014, 11:00:41 PM
Why do ye think this is the team?

Why, do you think it isn't?

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That's it. I'm growing a beard.

Team confirmed now! Few lads with good sources around here ;)

Mayo GAA ‏@MayoGAA 2m

Mayo Team: Hennelly, Cunniffe, Caff, Higgins, Keegan, Boyle, Vaughan, AOS, SOS, D O'Connor, COS, Doherty, McLoughlin, Freeman, C O'Connor.

Doherty could've smiled.

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Quote from: mayoman dan on June 04, 2014, 10:14:06 PM
Hennelly Cunniffe Caff Higgins Keegan Boyle Vaughan AOS SOS Doherty Connor o shea Diarmuid o connor Mc Loughlin Freeman Cillian. If anyone can see any logic here could you please enlighten me?

It s very logical 1-9 and 14-15. What are ye moaning about exactly? ;D

Ah nothing moy i suppose i like surprises its great to see 2 young lads who didnt get a minute in the league starting come championship.

Yeah I agree Dan. It s great to see Horan give youth a chance - even if they re probably not the best youths he could have got. Ye gotta love surprises. I m sure Syfín is delighted James has introduced new blood too. It was a thing that was concerning him about us.

I'm delighted by it.

Of course you are. Horan starts 2 lads that were overrun in an U21 match against ye in March. What s not to like about that - if the leak is on the money.

Certainly interesting. Ciaran Caffreky is only making his second championship start so I'd be very happy if the lad ends up being paired with someone making their first start.

Is Horan seriously looking at the likes of COS and Cillian's brother for the business end of the championship? They seem like the sorts of selections that will only really pay off in the years ahead.

Did Gallagher go for a J1 or something? He looked like the better man if you were making a change around there this year at least, he has always stood out in games I've seen him playing in coming up through the grades.

He's still training with Mayo apparently Syf.

Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 04, 2014, 11:07:32 PM
He's still training with Mayo apparently Syf.

Then what the f**k.

Quote from: Mayo Mick on June 04, 2014, 10:57:53 PM
That will leave Evans scratching his head!! Adds a bit of interest to the game and if the 2 lads are not performing we have plenty on the bench. Result will be the same and from what I'm hearing we can expect a performance similar to last year. Lads are hungry focused and rarin to go. Will be a long miserable afternoon for the home supporters by all accounts.

Astute Mick, very astute. If that is the team it sends out mixed messages.
Shows the Ros respect and togs 100% from 1-9.
But Horan is getting thick -in a good way- as well and expects his team to win with a couple of young lads who will hardly feature too much if we are in things when things get serious later. If they pass this test then that s a plus. If they can compete it leaves us a stronger impact off the bench with likes of Dillon and Andy to come in let s say instead of the usual suspect.

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He's still training with Mayo apparently Syf.

Then what the f**k.

How's that thesis on the life and mind of James Horan coming along? ;)

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That's it. I'm growing a beard.

Did someone pinch Conor O'Shea on the ass before that photo was taken?

Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 04, 2014, 10:59:27 PM
Oh well. Cillian won't be wearing the no11 jersey it seems while Horan is boss. I'm worried by that half forward line. McLoughlin was expected to do a roaming job from no13 in the league. It didn't happen either. Our defence will have to be on top of their game. As will the two in midfield.

You worry too much Farr :)
That s a team for this game. It s not carved in stone and could look much different even after an hour on Sunday. No use having these lads in a squad if they can t show what they can do.

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Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 04, 2014, 11:07:32 PM
He's still training with Mayo apparently Syf.

Then what the f**k.

How's that thesis on the life and mind of James Horan coming along? ;)

I take back the part about him not having cracked.
















Calm down, I'm only joking.

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Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 04, 2014, 11:07:32 PM
He's still training with Mayo apparently Syf.

Then what the f**k.

How's that thesis on the life and mind of James Horan coming along? ;)

hahaha, its been scrunched up and fooked in the bin.

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That's it. I'm growing a beard.

Did someone pinch Conor O'Shea on the ass before that photo was taken?

Nah. He just spotted Godilocks sleepin in his bed.

Before i make a dick of myself again.let me ask a question first.

if you get a straight red in club champ , are you suspended from county too?

Quote from: larryin89 on June 04, 2014, 11:27:16 PM
Before i make a dick of myself again.let me ask a question first.

if you get a straight red in club champ , are you suspended from county too?

What did Diarmuid Connolly do now?

Syferus, Conor O' Shea is fine but nice try

Quote from: REDCOL on June 04, 2014, 11:35:23 PM
Syferus, Conor O' Shea is fine but nice try

What?

Quote from: Syferus on June 04, 2014, 11:28:15 PM

Quote from: larryin89 on June 04, 2014, 11:27:16 PM
Before i make a dick of myself again.let me ask a question first.

if you get a straight red in club champ , are you suspended from county too?

What did Diarmuid Connolly do now?

Be the best footballer in Ireland?

Quote from: REDCOL on June 04, 2014, 11:35:23 PM
Syferus, Conor O' Shea is fine but nice try

sound ,thanks.

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Quote from: REDCOL on June 04, 2014, 11:35:23 PM
Syferus, Conor O' Shea is fine but nice try

sound ,thanks.

Syferus, all these tabs you have open must be tough going. Keep her lit!

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Quote from: larryin89 on June 04, 2014, 11:27:16 PM
Before i make a dick of myself again.let me ask a question first.

if you get a straight red in club champ , are you suspended from county too?

What did Diarmuid Connolly do now?

Be the best footballer in Ireland?

I thought that was a black card offence myself.

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Quote from: REDCOL on June 04, 2014, 11:35:23 PM
Syferus, Conor O' Shea is fine but nice try

sound ,thanks.

Syferus, all these tabs you have open must be tough going. Keep her lit!

If you knew your browsers you'd know all the instances of the same browser are linked and signing out in one signs you out in them all.

If you want to do it properly you need a second browser program. I recommend Firefox and Chrome for dependability.

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Quote from: larryin89 on June 04, 2014, 11:27:16 PM
Before i make a dick of myself again.let me ask a question first.

if you get a straight red in club champ , are you suspended from county too?

What did Diarmuid Connolly do now?

Be the best footballer in Ireland?

Wow! Didn t expect you to be nosin in here in what is an irrelevent, local, rural, provincial squabble.

Will this really be Mayo's starting team?. Last year in Salthill, Alan Dillon was named as a sub, yet started the match.. Time will tell.

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:)

This is real Ger Loughnane stuff, odd for a Connacht semi against the Rossies.
The only thing that's certain is that this isn't the team that'll take to the field Sunday

It's odd though if this team doesn't start because there's nothing to be gained. If Dillon and/or Moran start it'll hardly throw Roscommons plans into disarray will it? It seems to me a lot of managers are naming dummy sides with no real purpose other than to give everyone a bit of homework for the first 10 minutes of the game as you scratch out names on the first 15 and replace them with subs and have arrows drawn left right and centre for positional changes on your programme.

Strange team named alright, seems unlikely to start but you'd never know – best of luck to the two new lads if they do.

Like Zulu, I don't know why managers do this.

Good to see Freeman named.

Quote from: Mayo4Sam on June 05, 2014, 06:59:42 AM
This is real Ger Loughnane stuff, odd for a Connacht semi against the Rossies.
The only thing that's certain is that this isn't the team that'll take to the field Sunday

I'll be disappointed if the team named doesn't start.
When are we going to see the likes of COS and DOC given a chance to start a championship match if not on Sunday?
If they're not going well, we have the experience on the bench to bring on to try and rescue the situation.
Even if the worst were to happen and we lost, at least it wouldn't be with our most experienced and strongest 15.
On the other hand, if they do well, our options increase and we move forward with more strings to our bow.

 Well at least Horan is keeping us amused these days anyway! I would hope this team starts to prove there is real competition developing outside of positions 1-9 on the Mayo team this year. I do have a sneaking feeling that Dillion and Andy will still start which would be disappointing for Diarmuid O' Connor and O'Shea III but maybe not as we need to shake up the squad a little if we want to go past the quarters ( or even get there) this year.

The make up of the subs bench will be interesting too. I have heard the Conroy and Varley are struggling with knocks so for me a subs bench with the likes of Dillon , Andy , Sweeney , Chris Barrett , Big Barry, Harrison , Drake , Keane , Gallagher , Coen and maybe Duffy would be strong back up to the first 15 although I would say Varley will be in there as well as Horan likes him coming on! The key thing for us is having maybe 2 or 3 competent forward subs that can make a real impact coming into the team in all situations.

These lads don't have to been world beaters but must be able to contribute 4 or 5 scores between them to take some of the heavy load that will be placed on Freeman and O Connor's shoulders as they will have to provide the heavy lifting and consistency up front. If  we can spread the scores around the forward line a bit more ( say the rest outside of Cillan and Alan, including the half backs and subs, could contribute 8 or 9 scores consistently per game) it would make us a very tough team to beat even by the mighty Dubs. Achieve this and it would go a long way to masking our lack of firepower on the big days which has cost us so much in the recent past.

The Rossies though will relish exposing this weakness as they don't have too many worries about the punch they pack up front in fact it's the opposite  , for them it's about winning enough ball to feed their forwards as well as tightening up especially around the half backs. It's going to be enjoyable battle on Sunday. Up Mayo!!!

Cil is captain and the team will start as listed

Quote from: sans pessimism on June 05, 2014, 10:11:07 AM
Cil is captain and the team will start as listed

Didn't Cillian and Keegan take over as vice captains to Andy from Clarkie and Higgins this year?

I hope the 2 young lads start and not taken off at 1st sign of trouble. the only way to fit into a team is to know you are part of it and not just keeping the jersey warm for auld lads to come back. that is what Maybe Dillon and andy are now.
the skill of the manger is to make these decisons and i think Horan has Earned the right to make these calls.

The Rhus using the Ros game to experiment  I see.
Ah well sure why not? They're goin to walk it anyway.
I just hope effin Tyrone get to the Ulster final so we can avoid the hoors in the qualifier Draw.

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Quote from: sans pessimism on June 05, 2014, 10:11:07 AM
Cil is captain and the team will start as listed

Didn't Cillian and Keegan take over as vice captains to Andy from Clarkie and Higgins this year?

Correct. So it looks like Cillian won the toss to lead team out on Sunday.

It would make sense for the selected team to start. Especially if the usual forwards that Horan turns to for impact - Conroy and Varley- are not firing. If it's in the balance there would be no point turning to the young lads to rescue the day. With Andy and Dillon to bring on we could finîsh with our strongest team like the Dubs do. And with the game stretched and hopefully Rossie defenders burning oil the older legs will get a bit of time and space. Overall our bench looks a bit shy. Unlikely to use any backs unless injury necessitates or Keith is sent up. After that it looks like only Parsons and Feeney could add something although I still have a hunch that Gallagher will have a say this summer yet. Oh and Dillon and Andy to come on as well. Not too bad. Looking forward to it.

I think Sweeney is worth a look as well – was one of our better performers v Derry and adds a bit of badly needed pace to the FF line

I think we're all a bit obsessed with the first XV in Mayo.
Got to think about a 20 man game now and how the likes of Feeney, Dillon, Andy, Sweeney,Moran, Barrett ect will be used off the bench.
Line hasn't always been reliable in making such calls but one would hope we've improved. Can't expect to to ask the team to push on without looking at their own previous weaknesses.

Diarmuid O'Connor had a decent game against Kildare and is good for a goal. Doherty is a man that will always take his goal chances. Cillian and Freeman also get goals. McLoughlin will take his goals when given the chance.

Looks like we will be targeting early goals then.

Quote from: highorlow on June 05, 2014, 12:56:44 PM
Diarmuid O'Connor had a decent game against Kildare and is good for a goal. Doherty is a man that will always take his goal chances. Cillian and Freeman also get goals. McLoughlin will take his goals when given the chance.

Looks like we will be targeting early goals then.

Well, at least ye've given up trying to get forwards that can score points.

Up to three of that line up probably won't start. With that you probably will have 8 of the first 9 holding their positions and anybody occupying the front 6 positions. Real guessing game stuff (if it's not the real starting team). Hope it is. We need to be blooding a player or two. And if we are going to do this, it has to be in the Connacht championship where we have the trap door of the back door. Anyway here's to allot of scribbling on the program on Sunday.

QuoteWell, at least ye've given up trying to get forwards that can score points.

Yes we leave that to the backs anymore.

Quote from: Rossfan on June 05, 2014, 10:27:07 AM
The Rhus using the Ros game to experiment  I see.
Ah well sure why not? They're goin to walk it anyway.
I just hope effin Tyrone get to the Ulster final so we can avoid the hoors in the qualifier Draw.

not about experimenting . more a small change of the guard and keeping things fresh.
Horan is giving the new guys the responceaility  and its sink or swim but i hope they are not discarded too soon if they are not quiet ready yet

Conor is a brother of the other 2 O'Shea's from the head on him I take it??

If so, anyone know if thats a record for Mayo to have three brothers start a game? (Daddy & Mammy O'Shea must be very proud too).

Mortimer's???

Quote from: Shrewdness on June 05, 2014, 02:08:55 PM
Mortimer's???

No just two Mort's and their cousin Micheal

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Mortimer's???

Yeah I think Kenneth, Trevor and Connor played in the loss to Fermanagh in the qualifiers in 2003. Can't think of any after that.

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Mortimer's???

Yeah I think Kenneth, Trevor and Connor played in the loss to Fermanagh in the qualifiers in 2003. Can't think of any after that.

Some hoor of a day that was in Sligo. 6 starting forwards were from intermediate clubs too !

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Mortimer's???

Yeah I think Kenneth, Trevor and Connor played in the loss to Fermanagh in the qualifiers in 2003. Can't think of any after that.

Some hoor of a day that was in Sligo. 6 starting forwards were from intermediate clubs too !

Yep it was pretty terrible from us alright but the Fermanagh lads/lassies were sound skins though. I wouldn't have thought those two teams would have been in the All Ireland semi 13 months later leaving the ground that day ;D.

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Quote from: Shrewdness on June 05, 2014, 02:08:55 PM
Mortimer's???

Yeah I think Kenneth, Trevor and Connor played in the loss to Fermanagh in the qualifiers in 2003. Can't think of any after that.

Some hoor of a day that was in Sligo. 6 starting forwards were from intermediate clubs too !

Yep it was pretty terrible from us alright but the Fermanagh lads/lassies were sound skins though. I wouldn't have thought those two teams would have been in the All Ireland semi 13 months later leaving the ground that day ;D.

Was that the Saturday evening with thunder and torrential rain?
A lot of those qualifier disasters have morphed into a single nightmare.
Fermanagh, Derry, Westmeath and Longford were some days.

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Yeah I think Kenneth, Trevor and Connor played in the loss to Fermanagh in the qualifiers in 2003. Can't think of any after that.

Some hoor of a day that was in Sligo. 6 starting forwards were from intermediate clubs too !

Yep it was pretty terrible from us alright but the Fermanagh lads/lassies were sound skins though. I wouldn't have thought those two teams would have been in the All Ireland semi 13 months later leaving the ground that day ;D.

Was that the Saturday evening with thunder and torrential rain?
A lot of those qualifier disasters have morphed into a single nightmare.
Fermanagh, Derry, Westmeath and Longford were some days.

Yes it was, Mind you I was sitting on a beach listening to it on madwest. I think Maurice Sheridan slipped as he was taking the potentially equalizing free at the end of the game.

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Mortimer's???

Yeah I think Kenneth, Trevor and Connor played in the loss to Fermanagh in the qualifiers in 2003. Can't think of any after that.

Some hoor of a day that was in Sligo. 6 starting forwards were from intermediate clubs too !

Yep it was pretty terrible from us alright but the Fermanagh lads/lassies were sound skins though. I wouldn't have thought those two teams would have been in the All Ireland semi 13 months later leaving the ground that day ;D.

Was that the Saturday evening with thunder and torrential rain?
A lot of those qualifier disasters have morphed into a single nightmare.
Fermanagh, Derry, Westmeath and Longford were some days.

Yes it was, Mind you I was sitting on a beach listening to it on madwest. I think Maurice Sheridan slipped as he was taking the potentially equalizing free at the end of the game.

Yeah. Desperate.

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Mortimer's???

Yeah I think Kenneth, Trevor and Connor played in the loss to Fermanagh in the qualifiers in 2003. Can't think of any after that.

Some hoor of a day that was in Sligo. 6 starting forwards were from intermediate clubs too !

Yep it was pretty terrible from us alright but the Fermanagh lads/lassies were sound skins though. I wouldn't have thought those two teams would have been in the All Ireland semi 13 months later leaving the ground that day ;D.

Was that the Saturday evening with thunder and torrential rain?
A lot of those qualifier disasters have morphed into a single nightmare.
Fermanagh, Derry, Westmeath and Longford were some days.

Yes it was, Mind you I was sitting on a beach listening to it on madwest. I think Maurice Sheridan slipped as he was taking the potentially equalizing free at the end of the game.

Yeah. Desperate.

Yep the weather fairly framed my mood watching that game. Cheers Moy for reminding me of 2001 with the double trouble tradegy in the hyde >:(. I hope it's not a pointer to Sunday!!! :o

It was in Sligo, brutal evening, I was seeing a Fermanagh bird at the time, hard trip back to enniskillen after that muck.
Derry was a brutal trip away as well, we were absolutely shite, ran into the Derry team in McReynolds in Dungiven that evening, Bradley said he always knew they'd beat Mayo, never liked the **** after that

Any lads here who can shed light on Mr. Rooney and the post-New York unofficial fundraiser in his bar?

It all seems a bit dodgy and Rooney's interview on Mid-West where he would only say the $30(!) admission fee to meet the players went to a 'worthy cause' didn't exactly help matters.

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It was in Sligo, brutal evening, I was seeing a Fermanagh bird at the time, hard trip back to enniskillen after that muck.
Derry was a brutal trip away as well, we were absolutely shite, ran into the Derry team in McReynolds in Dungiven that evening, Bradley said he always knew they'd beat Mayo, never liked the **** after that

Thankfully I was working all summer in 07 which prevented me from seeing the Derry game. I was there 11 (it's hard to believe it's that long ago) years when we went out to Fermanagh in Sligo and the heavens opened up around us. At least we got our revenge in 2004. I'm currently seeing a Fermanagh girl, and all they're harping on about is how they'd have won against Kerry in that final. ::)

They d have done better with selection and tactics anyway >:(

Back to the topic at hand...are the Roscommon backs as porous as Rossfan suggests or is he playing the poor mouth? No 'malice' intended by the question, just all year long you're critical of the Ros defence Ross.

Defending seems a foreign concept in our County these times across the grades.
God be with the days of Harry, Lindsay, Heneghan, Doory or Enon :'( :'(
I expect Johneen will be playing Puke Football for a good while Sunday to keep us in the game as long as possible and then ya never know.
That and the hope that ye've started on the downhill and that the disquiet in Rhubarbland ( not to mention Syfín's sussing out of Horan ::)) will all lead to a very pleasant surprise in what will likely be Ros' last Championship game in the "old" Hyde.
Wouldn't it be a grand way to close off the old ground? ;D

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Defending seems a foreign concept in our County these times across the grades.
God be with the days of Harry, Lindsay, Heneghan, Doory or Enon :'( :'(
I expect Johneen will be playing Puke Football for a good while Sunday to keep us in the game as long as possible and then ya never know.
That and the hope that ye've started on the downhill and that the disquiet in Rhubarbland ( not to mention Syfín's sussing out of Horan ::)) will all lead to a very pleasant surprise in what will likely be Ros' last Championship game in the "old" Hyde.
Wouldn't it be a grand way to close off the old ground? ;D

Tyrone showed last August how to squeeze Mayo. And when we were squeezed we squealed. That game will not be lost on any manager facing Mayo now. I would be surprised if Roscommon are not asking serious questions the next day.
It s not rocket science either to do what Tyrone did.

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Quote from: Rossfan on June 05, 2014, 09:07:20 PM
Defending seems a foreign concept in our County these times across the grades.
God be with the days of Harry, Lindsay, Heneghan, Doory or Enon :'( :'(
I expect Johneen will be playing Puke Football for a good while Sunday to keep us in the game as long as possible and then ya never know.
That and the hope that ye've started on the downhill and that the disquiet in Rhubarbland ( not to mention Syfín's sussing out of Horan ::)) will all lead to a very pleasant surprise in what will likely be Ros' last Championship game in the "old" Hyde.
Wouldn't it be a grand way to close off the old ground? ;D

Tyrone showed last August how to squeeze Mayo. And when we were squeezed we squealed. That game will not be lost on any manager facing Mayo now. I would be surprised if Roscommon are not asking serious questions the next day.
It s not rocket science either to do what Tyrone did.

Still though, I'd be happy with a six point win like v Tyrone.

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Quote from: Rossfan on June 05, 2014, 09:07:20 PM
Defending seems a foreign concept in our County these times across the grades.
God be with the days of Harry, Lindsay, Heneghan, Doory or Enon :'( :'(
I expect Johneen will be playing Puke Football for a good while Sunday to keep us in the game as long as possible and then ya never know.
That and the hope that ye've started on the downhill and that the disquiet in Rhubarbland ( not to mention Syfín's sussing out of Horan ::)) will all lead to a very pleasant surprise in what will likely be Ros' last Championship game in the "old" Hyde.
Wouldn't it be a grand way to close off the old ground? ;D

Tyrone showed last August how to squeeze Mayo. And when we were squeezed we squealed. That game will not be lost on any manager facing Mayo now. I would be surprised if Roscommon are not asking serious questions the next day.
It s not rocket science either to do what Tyrone did.

Still though, I'd be happy with a six point win like v Tyrone.

Right now I d take any win. f**k it I d take a draw and another cut at them in McHale Park.
Like 2001 should never have come to that daftness at the end but it did. That s football. That's sport. We d won the f**king league that year too.
I m glad now we were muck in so much of the league. No use going into championship with notions.

*removes guard*

We will destroy them, sin e.

 listening to Shane Curran on second captains and he puts Mayos two all ireland losses down to James Horans tactical ineptitude.Of course it would have nothing  to do with Dublin or Donegal being very good teams.For me,in most cases at this level when you win you got your tactics right and when you lose you are not fit to manage the local junior b team.Cake also does not give Ros much of a chance on Sunday and lets hope he is at least right on that one.

Quote from: maigheo on June 05, 2014, 11:21:15 PM
listening to Shane Curran on second captains and he puts Mayos two all ireland losses down to James Horans tactical ineptitude.Of course it would have nothing  to do with Dublin or Donegal being very good teams.For me,in most cases at this level when you win you got your tactics right and when you lose you are not fit to manage the local junior b team.Cake also does not give Ros much of a chance on Sunday and lets hope he is at least right on that one.

Last year was absolutely down to Horan's decisions on the sidelines. Dublin where far below par that day. The Murphy-Keane match-up alone allowed Donegal close up shop in the 2012 final in record time.

While the managers can get the blame when it their his fault you have to say Horan played a big part in at least one of them. The Dublin match was a total missed opportunity.

Hennelly made 3 great saves in the All Ireland final, to say Dublin were there for the taking is a stretch. Dublin were 4/5 pts the better team

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Hennelly made 3 great saves in the All Ireland final, to say Dublin were there for the taking is a stretch. Dublin were 4/5 pts the better team

And? If he makes the saves, he makes the saves. You don't get effort points last I checked. There was a single point separating the sides at the end.

Mayo also had a bad day, it was quite a drab AI final between two teams who had destroyed everyone in their path up to then.

Taking off your only FF after 20 minutes and later on subbing out your best midfielder when his brother was anonymous are hardly the actions of a manager who got it right. Horan is a quality manager but it amazes me how anyone can't see the simple truth of that match - decisions on the sideline cost Mayo their best chance at an AI since 1996.

I tell ye something syferus ,if there was ever a case for a closet Mayo supporter ,its you.

Would you not be better concerning yourself with the harsh reality that ye haven't beaten Mayo or galway in 13 friggin years.

ye are like man city fans up to 5 or so years ago,obsessed with uniteds results whilst being shite themselves.

gawd damn it ,i really hope we bate ye bad.

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I tell ye something syferus ,if there was ever a case for a closet Mayo supporter ,its you.

Would you not be better concerning yourself with the harsh reality that ye haven't beaten Mayo or galway in 13 friggin years.

ye are like man city fans up to 5 or so years ago,obsessed with uniteds results whilst being shite themselves.

gawd damn it ,i really hope we bate ye bad.

What Roscommon man wouldn't love talking about Mayo's All-Ireland failures?

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Quote from: rodney trotter on June 05, 2014, 11:32:26 PM
Hennelly made 3 great saves in the All Ireland final, to say Dublin were there for the taking is a stretch. Dublin were 4/5 pts the better team

And? If he makes the saves, he makes the saves. You don't get effort points last I checked. There was a single point separating the sides at the end.

Mayo also had a bad day, it was quite a drab AI final between two teams who had destroyed everyone in their path up to then.

Taking off your only FF after 20 minutes and later on subbing out your best midfielder when his brother was anonymous are hardly the actions of a manager who got it right. Horan is a quality manager but it amazes me how anyone can't see the simple truth of that match - decisions on the sideline cost Mayo their best chance at an AI since 1996.

Well Hennelly should have. Mayo faught back well, didn't look like winning the game.

It's unfair / incorrect to say horan cost us an all Ireland but it's true to say he contributed.

Edit: he also played a big part in getting us that far

The problem I have with Curran or any body else claiming that Horan is tactically  inept is Mayo did not get to where they are today by magic.Curran says that Dublin were a 9 or 10 point better team than Mayo so how does that go with Horan costing us the all ireland.The simple fact is Dublin were the better team on the day .Freeman was taken off  as there was no movement in the ff line and the only ball he got was from a dropped ball from Brennan.Conroy had been playing great stuff in training and was very good when he come on in the semi so I am sure Horans thinking was why waitOf course Conroy not playing well made it a bad move.And going back to the 2012 final I for one always thought Caff would take McFadden as he was by far there best forward all year and Caff took a roasting from Murphy in the league game in Ballybofey.Murphys goal came from Cilliano Connor getting getting beaten for a ball and Lacy being allowed to kick a good ball into Murphy under no pressure and not even Mick Lyons would have stopped him.Horan has made mistakes but what manager hasn't and if Dublin had lost last years all ireland Gavin would have been under severe pressure but that is all forgotten when you have Sam in your hands.This is probably Horans last year and I am dreading who the county board will put in his place as only for a big uproar by supporters last time James Horan would be still managing Ballintubber and winning all irelands would not be up for discussion in Mayo

Quote from: rodney trotter on June 05, 2014, 11:32:26 PM
Hennelly made 3 great saves in the All Ireland final, to say Dublin were there for the taking is a stretch. Dublin were 4/5 pts the better team

1+ The moment Dublin drew level in the second half of the All Ireland final you knew Dublin wouldn't be beaten. In fairness only for James Horan Mayo wouldn't have reached the last two All Ireland finals once he steps aside a like for like replacement will have to be brought in.

Ah lads...please stop talking about last year's final... Part of me died that day :'(

Quote from: maigheo on June 06, 2014, 01:02:54 AM
The problem I have with Curran or any body else claiming that Horan is tactically  inept is Mayo did not get to where they are today by magic.Curran says that Dublin were a 9 or 10 point better team than Mayo so how does that go with Horan costing us the all ireland.The simple fact is Dublin were the better team on the day .Freeman was taken off  as there was no movement in the ff line and the only ball he got was from a dropped ball from Brennan.Conroy had been playing great stuff in training and was very good when he come on in the semi so I am sure Horans thinking was why waitOf course Conroy not playing well made it a bad move.And going back to the 2012 final I for one always thought Caff would take McFadden as he was by far there best forward all year and Caff took a roasting from Murphy in the league game in Ballybofey.Murphys goal came from Cilliano Connor getting getting beaten for a ball and Lacy being allowed to kick a good ball into Murphy under no pressure and not even Mick Lyons would have stopped him.Horan has made mistakes but what manager hasn't and if Dublin had lost last years all ireland Gavin would have been under severe pressure but that is all forgotten when you have Sam in your hands.This is probably Horans last year and I am dreading who the county board will put in his place as only for a big uproar by supporters last time James Horan would be still managing Ballintubber and winning all irelands would not be up for discussion in Mayo

I'd agree with that word for word. I'm bemused by people who claim Horan is tactically weak, I've seen no sign of it and besides, it's a back room team, not one man. O'Neill was there for the first All Ireland and was with Kerry for their epic (and tactically astute) semi final effort last year. Now Donie Buckley is there and he is very highly regarded as well. I think it is far too easy to look at decisions made after the game and say they were poor. A decision isn't poor because it doesn't work out, it's only poor if it never made any sense in the first place and bar taking off Freeman so early last year I wouldn't feel any of Mayo's decisions have lacked logic.

As maigheo pointed out, Jim Gavin can now walk on water but he has been a kick of a ball away from being in P45 territory. Horan, for my money has done a fantastic job and always sounds clued in, his problem is he lacks the forwards to deliver when the need is greatest.

Anyone care to predict the scoreline. I hope ye'll be all on here after the game, telling me how wrong i was, but here's my prediction.....MAYO 2-14 . ROSCOMMON 0-11.

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Anyone care to predict the scoreline. I hope ye'll be all on here after the game, telling me how wrong i was, but here's my prediction.....MAYO 2-14 . ROSCOMMON 0-11.

Mayo 1-13 Roscommon 0-12 .

In case anyone needs reminding why this tie matters more than most:

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1991 Connacht Senior Final

Roscommon              0-14
Mayo                         0-14

by Seamus Duke

  In 1991 Roscommon had established themselves as one of the top four or five teams in the country. They were the Connacht champions and were operating out of Division 1 of the National Football League. They made it to the semi-finals of the league and were joint favourites to win the Connacht SFC along with the John O'Mahoney-trained Mayo. The two teams got to the 1991 final and it took two games to separate the teams. The first game of the two was played at McHale Pak and while it will not be remembered for the fantastic football on display, it was a very tough, hard-hitting encounter which finished in the most dramatic of circumstances when a young man from Castlerea, 19-year-old Derek Duggan, kicked a monster 65-yard free into a fresh breeze to give Roscommon a sensational draw. Those of us who were there on the day will always remember that free and the manner in which Roscommon secured a deserved draw. Seamus Killoran was the Elphin man who formed a brilliant midfield partnership with John Newton on that team. Killoran often did not get the praise that he deserved as being one of the hardest-working and most effective midfielders in the country over the three or four year period of the Marty McDermott era. He recalls that teak-tough Connacht final at McHale Park.

  Roscommon played Leitrim in the Connacht semi-final in 1991. They (Leitrim) were now a major force in Connacht football. However with Tony McManus in typically brilliant form, Roscommon prevailed in Carrick-on-Shannon by 0-12 to 0-8, with Tony scoring 0-5 from play. Mayo had qualified for the final on the other side of the draw and the match was played in the 14th July, 1991 on a dull but warm and breezy afternoon at McHale Park. A crowd of 26,000 people attended the game and they would see a fiercely-fought championship encounter that ended with incredible excitement.

  Mayo played with the strong breeze at their backs in the first half. TJ Kilgallon and Colm McMenamon gave the home side an advantage at midfield early on but it was Roscommon who struck first with points from Tony Mac and Derek Duggan (free). Mayo freetaker Michael Fitzmaurice opened their account but another Tony Mac point left Roscommon 3-1 ahead before adopted Mayoman Thomas Tierney and Liam McHale levelled the scores between them after 17 minutes.

  It was clear even at this stage that the crowd were in for a thrilling game when it was tit for tat, point for point, and as they say down this part of the country, it was 'no place for a gasan' as the tackles went in hard and fast on both sides.

  Mayo improved steadily thoughout the half and points from Tony Morley, Liam McHale and Kevin McStay helped Mayo into a 0-7 to 0-5 half-time lead. However there were 35 minues to go and with the words of Marty McDermott and veteran forward Tony McManus ringing in their ears from the half-time talk in the dressing room, Roscommon took the field for the second half determined to retain the Nestor Cup.

  It was Mayo who struck first and points from TJ Kilgallon and Michael Fitzmaurice left the green and red four points ahead at 9-5. Roscommon slowly got a grip at midfield and Seamus Killloran and John Newton assumed control. Killoran was turning in a brilliant display and Mattie Reilly raced forward for a great Roscommon point and two minutes later Paul Hickey narrowed the gap further and when Derek Duggan and Michael Donlon pointed it was 9 points apiece after 12 minutes of the second half.

  As the intensity rose even further the tackles became tougher and harder. Colm McMenamon kicked a great Mayo point, but Paul Earley kicked just as good a point for Roscommon a minute later. On it went, Duggan and Ray Dempsey exchanged points (11 points each) and then it was Tony Morley and another free from Duggan (12 each).

  There were 30 minutes gone with the sides locked together. John Newton kicked a long-range point to edge Roscommon ahead but Dempsey cancelled that out with a Mayo point in the 33rd minute. It was clear that the next point could win it. Every ball was contested as if it was a matter of life or death. Mayo were awared a '50 in the 36th minute. The ball fell short and came to Liam McHale who duly kicked what looked like the winning point from 25 metres. Surely that was it?

  Roscommon had to get the ball upfield. Seamus Killoran was fouled in the middle of the field 80 yards out from the Mayo goal. Killoran and Mattie Reilly 'stole' a few yards each and suddenly it was a 65-yard free. There was a strong breeze blowing into the faces of the Roscommon players. Mattie Reilly took the ball and gestured to his clubmate Derek Duggan to come out to take the free. Team manager Marty McDermott gestured wildly on the sideline. Why was Mattie wasting time? There was no chance of young Duggan kicking the ball over the bar into the breeze from such a long distance out....

  Duggan placed the ball and took a long run-up and you could almost hear the thud in Claremorris as boot met ball and the white leather soared over the Mayo crossbar for the equaliser. It was an astounding kick by any standards and an incredible finish to an incredible match. In fact the ball hit the protective netting (well behind the posts) at least 15 feet up, which suggested that the ball would have gone over the bar even if the kick was another 10 to 15 yards out.

  Roscommon people are still talking about that free and in the years gone by since, the distance has increased to about 100 yards – with a hurricane blowing into Duggan's face too!! Either way it was one of the greatest frees from distance – and under pressure too – ever seen in in the All-Ireland Football Championship.

  Seamus Killoran played at midfield that day in Castlebar and he recalls the intensity of that game. "It was a real tough Connacht final for sure. There wasn't a kick of a ball between us and Mayo in those years and that day was no different. It was point for point" he said.

  "I remember that I was fouled for that final famous free from Derek Duggan. It was in then middle of the field but I stole a few yards and then Mattie (Reilly) stole a few more but it was still a mighty kick from Duggan. However it has grown in length over the years and is now probably about 105 yards out!!" he continued.

  "That  was a great game and we had a really great team that time and we should have won more. The loss after extra-time in '89 (Connacht Final) was crucial, looking back now. If we had got to Croke Park that year it would have been a big learning experience for us. There were great, great footballers on that team and it was brilliant to be a part of it.

  "There were leaders all over the field and we were confident that we were going to win every time we went out to play, regardless of the opposition. It was a great time for Roscommon football. It's a pity that Padraig McNeill was injured in 1991. It's absolutely no disrespect to anyone else who played on the team but he was just so strong at centre half-back at that stage. He was a big loss to us.

  "But we all remember that great day and the famous free from Derek Duggan and I also remember afterwards hearing a certain local radio commentator who made a bit of a fool of himself on the day! They are all great memories" Seamus concluded.

Roscommon: Gay Sheeran; Des Newton, Pat Doorey, Enon Gavin; Joey Connaughton, Paul Hickey (0-1), Mattie Reilly (0-1); Seamus Killoran, John Newton (0-1); Andy Leyland, Tony McManus (0-2), Eamonn McManus Junior; Michael Donlon (0-1), Paul Earley (0-2), Derek Duggan (0-6). Subs: Tommy Grehan for Leyland, Vinny Glennon for Eamonn McManus.

Mayo: Eugene Lavin; Denis Kearney, Michael Collins, Dermot Flanagan; Peter Butler, Tomas Tierney (0-1), John Finn; TJ Kilgallon (0-1), Colm McManamon (0-1); Kevin McStay (0-2), Liam McHale (0-2), Noel Durkin; Michael Fitzmaurice (0-2), Tony Morley (0-2), Ray Dempsey (0-2). Subs: Frank Noone, Willie Joe Padden (0-1), Sean Maher. Referee: Pat Egan (Galway).

Note: That day in Castlebar I was doing the commentary for Shannonside and when I saw Derek Duggan lining up to take that free I said "He hasn't a hope in hell of putting this free over the bar" – and the rest as they say is history. I haven't been able to live that one down since!

Highlights of Mayo Galway 89 draw and replay and Roscommon Mayo Connacht final, draw and replay.

Some games by the looks of it, never seen this footage before. Jimmy Burkes goal...what a finish! ;D ;D ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKNVfcTNUmI

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Quote from: Shrewdness on June 06, 2014, 12:11:39 PM
Anyone care to predict the scoreline. I hope ye'll be all on here after the game, telling me how wrong i was, but here's my prediction.....MAYO 2-14 . ROSCOMMON 0-11.

Mayo 1-13 Roscommon 0-12 .

Mayo 1-19 Roscommon 2-11

Syferus, there were a lot of tough men on that Roscommon team. For some reason, we're not making them like that anymore.

Quote from: Shrewdness on June 06, 2014, 01:50:56 PM
Syferus, there were a lot of tough men on that Roscommon team. For some reason, we're not making them like that anymore.

And yet the lads we're producing now would probably beat them in a skill competition. We've done an exceptional job teaching the art of the sport but at minor last year, even U21 this year, senior for years it's so obvious we've developed into a county that's just too damn fair and unwilling to be nasty.

We're trying to play the game like Dermot Earley while everyone else is playing it like Ricey McMenamin.

Neil Collins is about the only player we've produced in the 2005-present stretch of quality underage teams that could be labelled physical or tough and he's only growing as a player himself. I think the black card rules (when applied) help us more than just about any county in Ireland but we really could do with a Francie Grehan right about now.

Part of me was happy when I saw Seanie almost decapitating the Cavan attacker late on in the league final. We need more of that chippiness, just better controlled.

I prefer this game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_Wq2fnCGUE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_Wq2fnCGUE)
Best final 10 minutes I've ever seen to a game.

Martin Carney gets the players mixed up in commentary, yet again

Mayo 4-15
Ros    0-11

 I was behind the graveyard end goals crushed up against the chicken wire ( my first Connacht final) for Jimmy Burke's wonder goal in 89 ;D and I was behind the town end goals when the Rossies waltzed through us for their own wonder goal in 2001 :'(.
I remember looking at the Rossies around me in 2001 going ape and thought to myself yep I know that feeling ;D.

MayowestRos(+ bit of Sligo) 3 -17 Ros (with a piece missing) 2 -7  :'( :'(
Mind you we could beat them in Syfín's skill competition

Roscommon 2-12 Mayo 0-16. That's what the tayleaves say.

Quote from: weareros on June 06, 2014, 04:28:48 PM
Roscommon 2-12 Mayo 0-16. That's what the tayleaves say.

Ahhh fcuk the pessimism - that's more like it  ;D

Stand Tall you Brave Roscommon lads
The County's proud of you
As you go to face the Rhubarb's might
In the lovely Gold and Blue.
Right proudly high over the Park of Hyde
We'll fling out the flag of war
Better to die neath a Rossie Sky
Than in Salthill or Castlebar
The world will gaze in deep amaze
when the final score comes through
As the Rossies take the Rhubarb's Crown
In their lovely gold and Blue[/color]

Jaysus you re no rhymer Rossfan :P

Some posts on facebook from a friend of mine last year. Worth a read.....

Day 1:

ROSCOMMON is the 44507th most popular name in USA, One in every 702,203 Americans is named ROSCOMMON and popularity of name ROSCOMMON is 1.42 people per million.

Lough Key has 32 islands, some of the more famous names include bullock island and Ros for Sam

Nostradamus came to fame, not after predicting the French revolution, but after predicting Roscommon would win back to back all-Irelands in 43 and 44, this prediction was disbelieved by millions, as many thought roscommon would have won the finals in 40,41 and 42 before this...but the wily old Nostradamus knew best.

Roscommon doesn't have a coast line...just great footballers

The entire population of the world could fit in Roscommon standing up... if this were to happen tho, they would lose a football game of rossies against the rest..

The popular song "Guns don't kill people, rappers do", was plagiarised from the inscription found on the Castlestrange Stone, found outside Athleague dated 200BC..which when translated stats "Guns don't kill people, Rossies do" and lead to Oliver Cromwell's fear of entering Connaught during his invasion of Ireland.

The 43 and 44 teams were all pioneering bakers, and invented sliced bread, the saying "the greatest thing since sliced bread" is a tip of the cap to that magnificent Roscommon team.

Donald Trump draws the dole in Roscommon

Black beauty is the ugliest and whitest horse in Roscommon

It was the Roscommon full back line that stopped the gulf war in '91, not the yanks

Day 2:

I have logged onto Facebook today, and have been shocked at what I found!! Please, can any faint-hearted people or those who have not got their turf cut during the dry spell (You have enough on your plate) do not read on, but what I found was this.... people are updating profiles, tagging pictures, posting posts, etc....literally millions of people, MILLIONS! Carrying out these normal routines, these everyday Facebook activities, as if in denial, as if by not acknowledging the elephant in the room and completely ignoring the fact that the Rossies are taking part in the Connaught semi-final on Sunday, it might simply.....just not happen...I realise people take comfort from not thinking about us in the championship, that a clearer path to victory presents itself for their county, if they just don't think about Roscommon and the "great bunch of lads" playing for them as a stumbling block...But people, the sooner you face up to us the better, we are a reality, we are remarkable, we are ready, WE ARE ROS....

Day 3:

OK Folks, a recent survey on who neutrals are going for on Sunday, has shown 3 people in China and a further 2 in Trinidad and Tobago are "undecided", everyone else is on the Rossies! To those Five I say, look at the facts below and see what Roscommon has contributed to the world and culture as they know it and then tell me they are still undecided!!

The river Shannon, is a man-made river, it was constructed by the other 31 counties in a last ditch effort to stop Roscommon getting to Croke Park on the 3rd Sunday in September....all efforts on the football pitch had failed....Roscommon then invented boats and bridges and brought Sam Maguire home...

New grange was built to let the dead inside know when Roscommon had begun pre-season training.

The great barrier reef was created when Jimmy Murray took a pee in the sea...before this, it was just a sandy bottom to the ocean.

The Wachowski brothers made "The Matrix" to try and capture the transformation that happens an ordinary man, when he puts on a Roscommon jersey on Championship day.......James Cameron also tried to represent this phenomenon, with the recent Avatar movie, however, he went more literal in his approach with the colour of the avatar, but ultimately missed the mark.

After watching Roscommon beat Mayo, Bill Gates was inspired that the world could be a better place and he created windows to try and help....as a throw back to his inspiration he put the Roscommon and Mayo colours on his logo and pays image rights to Roscommon every year.

Bruce Willis based his character John McClain on Roscommon.

Lance Armstrong has admitted he was on drugs...what he hasn't admitted is, his drugs was supporting the Rossie's, and the high one
gets from it.

TG4 is paid a fortune every year to release propaganda against Roscommon, to curtail our popularity....luckily no-one can understand it

Bill Clinton asked Monica to hang around late to watch the Rossie's take on Wicklow in the national league....after a great Roscommon victory they both got caught up in in the moment.....

MacGyver's knife was made in Kiltoom.

Neil Armstrong landed on the moon after winning a raffle prise in the Castlecoote drama production to visit the Roscommon lunar training camp. However, he was sent home early after trying to place an American flag on the pitch during a "one play only" practice game for the squad.

Chuck Norris is defenceless against any Roscommon person...

The movie 300 was originally called 30 in honour of the 43 & 44 teams, but it was thought no audience would believe a mere 30 men could perform such heroics.

Einstein's theory of relativity was disproved by Seamie O'Neill

If a Roscommon man wears sex panther it works 100% of the time all the time

Day 4:

After years of deliberation I have finally decided what I want to spend my confirmation money on...backing the Rossies to win on Sunday! However, before I made such a huge commitment, I said I'd do some research and look at the head to head's between the two teams. here's how it went.....Very quickly, thanks to Chris O'Dowd I found Beyoncé is behind the Rossies, but Jay-Z is going for Mayo (Bono, filling him with shite)

So I had to look further and tried a classic football talent indicator

Number of train lines servicing Dublin = Roscommon 2 - Mayo 2

As you can see, still nothing separating the two teams, so a more detailed look was required and I found the below stat's very useful

Scrabble score = Roscommon 15 - Mayo 9
Hollywood actors = Roscommon 2 - Mayo 0
Sads of turf brought home last year per head of capita = Roscommon 1,653 - Mayo 439
A chicken in Roscommon lays an average of 6.2 eggs per week, it's at 4.7 for a chicken in Mayo
Roscommon towns have won 3 Mayo county titles ....Mayo towns have won 0 county titles in Roscommon.
Proximity to the elusive source of Wexford strawberries = Roscommon 249km - Mayo 332km (Closest wins)
Number of counties that border Roscommon 7 - Mayo 3 (And we give them 1)
All-Ireland titles = Roscommon 10 - 4 Mayo ....Including handball
How many kinds of everything remind Dana of each county = Roscommon 13 - Mayo 6
National League points this year = Roscommon 9 - Mayo 6
Length of time a custard cream holds it's structure after being dipped in tea = in Roscommon 7 seconds - in Mayo 4 seconds
% of people who know when to hold 'em and know when to fold 'em = Roscommon 86% - Mayo 34%
Number of Flash Gordon's enemies residing in each County = Roscommon 1 - Mayo 0
Average number of levels in box footings over the last 50 years = Roscommon 7 - Mayo 4
So after my detailed analysis of both teams, I think it's obvious they'll be only one winner on Sunday.... The Mighty Roscommon

Day 5:

Some people have been questioning the wisdom of my bet yesterday. At first I was confused, but then I realised people like that aren't from Roscommon and don't have the insider info that we do and not everyone is privy to the below facts....

Roscommon is taking the horse to France!

After fears that Roscommon's dominance of all thing's GAA would lead to lost interest in the game, the GAA instructed all match officials to be biased against Roscommon to help other teams win...The A-team umpired a match that Roscommon won, they umpired it fairly, and this was the crime they didn't commit!

Muhammad Ali, got beat up by a girl before joining the Loughlynn boxing club...the rest is history

Weather man Ger Fleming's winks were for Roscommon people only....he knew, and wanted us to know he knew

Leonardo Dicaprio's movie "the beach" was filmed in Roscommon

Santa Clause's first stop is Roscommon, he just can't wait any longer every year!

The Guy from the Guinness add had just heard Roscommon had beaten Antrim in the National League

The leaning tower of Pisa is just trying to get closer to Roscommon

In order to create the actual field, for the movie "The field", Roscommon soil had to be transported to less fertile filming locations to provide the contrast between it and neighbouring fields. Negotiations were lengthy and every gram of soil was returned to Roscommon once relevant scenes were filmed....it's been a contentious issue in Roscommon ever since

Lee Harvey Oswald was aiming for a Rossie sitting on the grassy knoll, the bullet bounced off him and hit some fella not from Roscommon

Roscommon has always been an axe in Mayo's side, so the county boundary was drawn up to represent this, before this is was the entire Island of Ireland.

A Roscommon player has never been injured, any absentees are due to a GAA imposed quota of first teamers we can play, in an effort to make the competition more even and give other teams a chance.

Roscommon shot JR

The Six Million dollars man got called up for trials before the FBD league one year, but failed to make the provisional Roscommon panel after finishing last in all the strength, speed and endurance tests.

Tir Na Nog is in Roscommon

It wasn't Fargo Boyle....It was Roscommon

Theresa Lowe's "Where in the world" got cancelled after contestants found out the correct answer to every question was Roscommon

The universe wasn't formed by the big bang, it was when Enon Gavins ancestors pulled down the very first crossbar

So when you know these things, you can easily see, Sunday will be a stroll in the park for Roscommon

Excellent.

"TG4 is paid a fortune every year to release propaganda against Roscommon"

Aye Seán Bán Bolreathnach >:(

Jasus Pearsheen yer some man for wan man  ;D

Quote from: Rossfan on June 06, 2014, 05:23:28 PM

Quote from: weareros on June 06, 2014, 04:28:48 PM
Roscommon 2-12 Mayo 0-16. That's what the tayleaves say.

Ahhh fcuk the pessimism - that's more like it  ;D

Stand Tall you Brave Roscommon lads
The County's proud of you
As you go to face the Rhubarb's might
In the lovely Gold and Blue.
Right proudly high over the Park of Hyde
We'll fling out the flag of war
Better to die neath a Rossie Sky
Than in Salthill or Castlebar
The world will gaze in deep amaze
when the final score comes through
As the Rossies take the Rhubarb's Crown
In their lovely gold and Blue[/color]

Douglas Hyde and Percy French must be turning in their graves!!!

Quote from: Syferus on June 06, 2014, 08:58:17 PM
Excellent.

Ball o' shite!

Quote from: Mayo Mick on June 06, 2014, 10:42:00 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on June 06, 2014, 05:23:28 PM

Quote from: weareros on June 06, 2014, 04:28:48 PM
Roscommon 2-12 Mayo 0-16. That's what the tayleaves say.

Ahhh fcuk the pessimism - that's more like it  ;D

Stand Tall you Brave Roscommon lads
The County's proud of you
As you go to face the Rhubarb's might
In the lovely Gold and Blue.
Right proudly high over the Park of Hyde
We'll fling out the flag of war
Better to die neath a Rossie Sky
Than in Salthill or Castlebar
The world will gaze in deep amaze
when the final score comes through
As the Rossies take the Rhubarb's Crown
In their lovely gold and Blue[/color]

Douglas Hyde and Percy French must be turning in their graves!!!

And the state of the colour of it. Reminds me of the time I mistakenly eat some dodgy mushrooms.

The best value of the weekend is Roscommon - 9/2 currently with Powers. 'Twill be a dour struggle, but the prediction is:

Rossie's 0-14
Rhubarbs 0-12.

Boom!!!!

Quote from: Don Corleone on June 07, 2014, 12:13:10 AM
The best value of the weekend is Roscommon - 9/2 currently with Powers. 'Twill be a dour struggle, but the prediction is:

Rossie's 0-14
Rhubarbs 0-12.

Boom!!!!

Savage odds. Fill your boots Don.

Quote from: moysider on June 07, 2014, 01:35:50 AM

Quote from: Don Corleone on June 07, 2014, 12:13:10 AM
The best value of the weekend is Roscommon - 9/2 currently with Powers. 'Twill be a dour struggle, but the prediction is:

Rossie's 0-14
Rhubarbs 0-12.

Boom!!!!

Savage odds. Fill your boots Don.

They made him an offer he couldn't refuse.

Cracker ripostes lads.. ;D Looking forward to it as an interested Connacht outsider.
Who's ar an feadóg? Anyone not from the circus family would be a blessing...

Eddie Kinsella of Laois.
I think the bould Marty will be rui officiating  the Ulster pukery.

No atmosphere in ballagh last night, changing times, when i was a gasun the craic around town before a mayo/ross game was electric.


Few rossies i was chattin to , were in all honesty, fairly upbeat about their chances.

my prediction, Mayo to absolutely hammer the ross, i dont even think ross will score, truly believe Mayo will fuckin destroy them beyond anything ever witnessed before in this fixture.

Mayo   7-23     ross  0-00

Quote from: Don Corleone on June 07, 2014, 12:13:10 AM
The best value of the weekend is Roscommon - 9/2 currently with Powers.

That actually is a decent value bet, although a good value losing bet is no good to you!! Ross +5 is a v good bet imo

Cuckoo land is where the vast majority of pundits are living with their predictions on thisw game

Take it as a guarantee , Mayo will destroy the ross tomorrow . Now ive  some drinkin to do in Achill, let me be clear on this, we will hammer them , we will hammer them.

Quote from: Don Corleone on June 07, 2014, 12:13:10 AM
The best value of the weekend is Roscommon - 9/2 currently with Powers. 'Twill be a dour struggle, but the prediction is:

Rossie's 0-14
Rhubarbs 0-12.

Boom!!!!

;D

Quote from: larryin89 on June 07, 2014, 01:01:14 PM
No atmosphere in ballagh last night, changing times, when i was a gasun the craic around town before a mayo/ross game was electric.


Few rossies i was chattin to , were in all honesty, fairly upbeat about their chances.

my prediction, Mayo to absolutely hammer the ross, i dont even think ross will score, truly believe Mayo will fuckin destroy them beyond anything ever witnessed before in this fixture.

Mayo   7-23     ross  0-00

;D

Quote from: larryin89 on June 07, 2014, 01:18:07 PM
Cuckoo land is where the vast majority of pundits are living with their predictions on thisw game

Take it as a guarantee , Mayo will destroy the ross tomorrow . Now ive  some drinkin to do in Achill, let me be clear on this, we will hammer them , we will hammer them.

;D

The Rhu bucks here must be worried - all they can offer is  ;Ds to silly comments from Ballycroy/Larryin/Gwantherossies.
Could we....... would we...... can we dream......   that we'll end the Evil Empire like we did in '52?

Quote from: Rossfan on June 07, 2014, 05:02:57 PM
The Rhu bucks here must be worried - all they can offer is  ;Ds to silly comments from Ballycroy/Larryin/Gwantherossies.
Could we....... would we...... can we dream......   that we'll end the Evil Empire like we did in '52?

51, long ago.

Quote from: Syferus on June 07, 2014, 05:10:49 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on June 07, 2014, 05:02:57 PM
The Rhu bucks here must be worried - all they can offer is  ;Ds to silly comments from Ballycroy/Larryin/Gwantherossies.
Could we....... would we...... can we dream......   that we'll end the Evil Empire like we did in '52?

51, long ago.

Roscommon 1-12 Mayo 1-13

I see alot of Roscommon supporters setting the ceiling at geeing within a score or two of Mayo, that losing by five would be a success in its own way. I look at the work that's went in at underage and senior over many years and our form this year and I think the basement of our hopes should be losing by four or five and the ceiling should be winning the damn match.

Mayo's HBs are excellent but they can get drunk on the taste of the opposition's half and there is routinely space in behind them if we can turn over ball. Donie Shine is as fine a kick-passer as there is in the country and our attacking game that has served us well this year would be perfect for exploiting that space. Maybe Mayo will drop lads back to sweep between the lines but I see Mayo looking at this game as an opportunity to attack and not to conserve so we have a good chance of adding to Mayo's woes at the back this year.

I think if we get enough possession we can rattle Mayo in ways we rarely have in the last decade, the question is will we get the possession?

Quote from: Syferus on June 07, 2014, 09:20:36 PM
I see alot of Roscommon supporters setting the ceiling at geeing within a score or two of Mayo, that losing by five would be a success in its own way. I look at the work that's went in at underage and senior over many years and our form this year and I think the basement of our hopes should be losing by four or five and the ceiling should be winning the damn match.

Mayo's HBs are excellent but they can get drunk on the  taste of the opposition's half and there is routinely space in behind them if we can turn over ball. Donie Shine is as fine a kick-passer as there is in the country and our attacking game that has served us well this year would be perfect for exploiting that space. Maybe Mayo will drop lads back to sweep between the lines but I see Mayo looking at this game as an opportunity to attack and not to conserve so we have a good chance of adding to Mayo's woes at the back this year.

I think if we get enough possession we can rattle Mayo in ways we rarely have in the last decade, the question is will we get the possession?

The answer is "NO."
Anything else bothering you?  ;D

I think we need to hear more from larryin89 on the eve of the big game, he's really got the finger on the pulse here in Mayo

Quote from: Syferus on June 07, 2014, 09:20:36 PM
I see alot of Roscommon supporters setting the ceiling at geeing within a score or two of Mayo, that losing by five would be a success in its own way. I look at the work that's went in at underage and senior over many years and our form this year and I think the basement of our hopes should be losing by four or five and the ceiling should be winning the damn match.

Mayo's HBs are excellent but they can get drunk on the taste of the opposition's half and there is routinely space in behind them if we can turn over ball. Donie Shine is as fine a kick-passer as there is in the country and our attacking game that has served us well this year would be perfect for exploiting that space. Maybe Mayo will drop lads back to sweep between the lines but I see Mayo looking at this game as an opportunity to attack and not to conserve so we have a good chance of adding to Mayo's woes at the back this year.

I think if we get enough possession we can rattle Mayo in ways we rarely have in the last decade, the question is will we get the possession?

What a load of crap, Roscommon are miles behind mayo, will ya stop making ridiculous statements or have ya any shame

Mayo to win by 7+
Thing is i'd reckon Rosies would get a lot closer and perhaps win if they had a more astute, tactically clued in manager.
Evans will have the team all playing with pride, bursting a gut, giving it everything.... but thats not good enough. In fact Evans is exactly the type of manager Rossies could do without right now given where they are in their evolution. Chest out & playing with pride type of stuff as the only tool from the manager reduces the shelf life of a team. A year or 2 max is all you will get out of the team. What the Rossies need now instead is a manager who can plot out a roadmap of how best to evolve the team over next 3 to 5 years using the very best that sport science has to offer in that regard to help with that process. And so because of Evans's limitations, I see the Rossies only chance tomorrow being on the basis of a way below par Mayo performance.

Quote from: blast05 on June 07, 2014, 10:54:01 PM
Mayo to win by 7+
Thing is i'd reckon Rosies would get a lot closer and perhaps win if they had a more astute, tactically clued in manager.
Evans will have the team all playing with pride, bursting a gut, giving it everything.... but thats not good enough. In fact Evans is exactly the type of manager Rossies could do without right now given where they are in their evolution. Chest out & playing with pride type of stuff as the only tool from the manager reduces the shelf life of a team. A year or 2 max is all you will get out of the team. What the Rossies need now instead is a manager who can plot out a roadmap of how best to evolve the team over next 3 to 5 years using the very best that sport science has to offer in that regard to help with that process. And so because of Evans's limitations, I see the Rossies only chance tomorrow being on the basis of a way below par Mayo performance.

I don't know where your impression of Evans has come from but he's done untold good in conditioning the panel over the last 18 months. It's night and day from where we were in 2012. He's also a manager who has shown himself to be very adaptable in terms of tactics, no one could ever accuse him of being one note and his choices against Tyrone - some seemingly strange choices in the starting line-up and quite different tactics to what we were used to - were entirely on the money.

He may not be the youthful face of modern GAA management that Gavin, Horan and McGuinness are but he's no old school manager and he's quite in tune with the changing face of the game and the demands he needs to place on the panel to compete with the best teams.

Just about the only mark I can level against Evans is he was too keen to train the U21s during and after the U21 championship. Besides that he has been just about the best appointment we could have made.

In terms of someone who can make adjustments in a game, Evans is ahead of Horan who (for all his good traits in other areas) has looked at sea on the sideline when things have turned again him more times than any Mayo supporter cares to remember.

David Brady called him a mercenary. I wonder what David would've called John Maughan?

What would the likes of David Brady know about anything?

Quote from: Put Up That Flag on June 07, 2014, 09:58:02 PM
What a load of crap, Roscommon are miles behind mayo, will ya stop making ridiculous statements or have ya any shame

He might have/hasn't any shame, but he has pride and a small smidgeon of belief in his beloved Primrose and Blue.
Every club/county man carries that image - of overturning the weight of adversity in his heart till the day he dies.
If we hadn't that little bitéén of braggadacio to put forward we may as well peg our collective caps at it.

The Rossies are, as the man says, up agin' it, but their followers here have fought a brave and bullish fight and are (even the Rhubarbs will concur) entitled to a modicum of respect.

You're new here, like myself, take care.

Quote from: Shrewdness on June 08, 2014, 12:34:20 AM
What would the likes of David Brady know about anything?

Quote from: Syferus on June 07, 2014, 11:23:26 PM

Quote from: blast05 on June 07, 2014, 10:54:01 PM
Mayo to win by 7+
Thing is i'd reckon Rosies would get a lot closer and perhaps win if they had a more astute, tactically clued in manager.
Evans will have the team all playing with pride, bursting a gut, giving it everything.... but thats not good enough. In fact Evans is exactly the type of manager Rossies could do without right now given where they are in their evolution. Chest out & playing with pride type of stuff as the only tool from the manager reduces the shelf life of a team. A year or 2 max is all you will get out of the team. What the Rossies need now instead is a manager who can plot out a roadmap of how best to evolve the team over next 3 to 5 years using the very best that sport science has to offer in that regard to help with that process. And so because of Evans's limitations, I see the Rossies only chance tomorrow being on the basis of a way below par Mayo performance.

I don't know where your impression of Evans has come from but he's done untold good in conditioning the panel over the last 18 months. It's night and day from where we were in 2012. He's also a manager who has shown himself to be very adaptable in terms of tactics, no one could ever accuse him of being one note and his choices against Tyrone - some seemingly strange choices in the starting line-up and quite different tactics to what we were used to - were entirely on the money.

He may not be the youthful face of modern GAA management that Gavin, Horan and McGuinness are but he's no old school manager and he's quite in tune with the changing face of the game and the demands he needs to place on the panel to compete with the best teams.

Just about the only mark I can level against Evans is he was too keen to train the U21s during and after the U21 championship. Besides that he has been just about the best appointment we could have made.

In terms of someone who can make adjustments in a game, Evans is ahead of Horan who (for all his good traits in other areas) has looked at sea on the sideline when things have turned again him more times than any Mayo supporter cares to remember.

David Brady called him a mercenary. I wonder what David would've called John Maughan?

If you have to ask that question you must have started watching football post 2004 ;D.
I think Evans has done a good Job with Roscommon so far but I remain to be convinced he will take you to the top table and with the talent you have coming through I definitely think you should aim to be top five within 3 or 4 years.

Quote from: Shrewdness on June 08, 2014, 12:34:20 AM
What would the likes of David Brady know about anything?

As much as Shane Curran would anyway ;D

Quote from: Shrewdness on June 08, 2014, 12:34:20 AM
What would the likes of David Brady know about anything?

He d know a bit about putting pricks on their holes. He d have an AI winners medal ( he s got a club one) if St. Pat McEnenany had balls and didn t cave in.

Anyway best of luck to Mayo tomorrow.

Easily best team and management I ve seen from the county. I believe that Horan could have even a better panel at his disposal this year but cannot really complain. I also think we may have had more talented players in the past but mostly were a joke as regards preparation.

Recently went from getting a chasing from Longford (respect to Longford that evening, they killed us really, we were nothing) to giving Cork (AI Champions) a chasing in the space of 10 months?
From nowhere! Well from the saddest 4 years I ve ever had to go through in Mayo football and probably the shite base that cost us when we got serious quickly after.
Roscommon has not been beating likes of Dublin, Cork, Donegal. If they beat Mayo tomorrow it will be a big jump. And I will not be at all bitter if they do. Sport is sport.

Moysider says it all - "Sport is sport"...Good luck to all later on today, may the best team win a sporting game, devoid of rancour or blackguardly acts of trickery.

Latest Duffy action.

QuoteGavin Duffy's much-anticipated Galway SFC debut didn't materialise this afternoon as Salthill/Knocknacarra suffered a shock defeat to An Cheathru Rua at Pearse Stadium.

The 32-year-old has been training with Mayo since failing to have his contract renewed with Connacht Rugby last month, while he also trained with Salthill/Knocknacarra on Thursday night. But listed as number 24 in the match programme, he didn't see action as the Seasiders crashed to a 0-6 to 1-4 defeat to their Ghaeltacht opponents.

Incidentally, the 2006 All-Ireland club champions also lost to Carna-Cashel in the first round of last year's Galway SFC before bouncing back to reach the county final.

Safe travelling to ALL fans today. Let all of gaaboarders in particular get back safe telling tales of joy or woe etc. Hopefully us Mayomen will be bursting with the former. :D

Well said Moysider, Sport is Sport, and maybe sometimes we're all guilty of taking it a bit too seriously. As i write this, it's lashing rain outside. Best of luck to the Rossies.

Not Bad For A Chest Thumper

He led Laune Rangers to the Kerry Senior Football Championship in 1989, the clubs first since 1911. They beat John Mitchels in the final, they went on to win championships in 1993 beating Annascaul, 1995 beating East Kerry and made it two in a row in 1996 by overcoming West Kerry. He led the Rangers to Munster Senior Club Football Championships in 1995 beating Cork side Clonakilty and in 1996 beating Tipperary side Moyle Rovers. The Laune Ranagers went to the 1996 All-Ireland Senior Club Football Championship beating Carlow side Éire Óg in the final in Croke Park. He led Tipperary to back to back National Football League promotions in 2008 and 2009, bringing them from Division 4 to Division 2 and winning the Division 3 title in 2009. In 2010 he led Tipperary to their first Munster Under-21 Football Championship with a 1-07 to 1-06 win over Kerry in the final. Now he has lead Roscommon to a Division 3 Title.

Quote from: Syferus on June 07, 2014, 11:23:26 PM

Quote from: blast05 on June 07, 2014, 10:54:01 PM
Mayo to win by 7+
Thing is i'd reckon Rosies would get a lot closer and perhaps win if they had a more astute, tactically clued in manager.
Evans will have the team all playing with pride, bursting a gut, giving it everything.... but thats not good enough. In fact Evans is exactly the type of manager Rossies could do without right now given where they are in their evolution. Chest out & playing with pride type of stuff as the only tool from the manager reduces the shelf life of a team. A year or 2 max is all you will get out of the team. What the Rossies need now instead is a manager who can plot out a roadmap of how best to evolve the team over next 3 to 5 years using the very best that sport science has to offer in that regard to help with that process. And so because of Evans's limitations, I see the Rossies only chance tomorrow being on the basis of a way below par Mayo performance.

I don't know where your impression of Evans has come from but he's done untold good in conditioning the panel over the last 18 months. It's night and day from where we were in 2012. He's also a manager who has shown himself to be very adaptable in terms of tactics, no one could ever accuse him of being one note and his choices against Tyrone - some seemingly strange choices in the starting line-up and quite different tactics to what we were used to - were entirely on the money.

He may not be the youthful face of modern GAA management that Gavin, Horan and McGuinness are but he's no old school manager and he's quite in tune with the changing face of the game and the demands he needs to place on the panel to compete with the best teams.

Just about the only mark I can level against Evans is he was too keen to train the U21s during and after the U21 championship. Besides that he has been just about the best appointment we could have made.

In terms of someone who can make adjustments in a game, Evans is ahead of Horan who (for all his good traits in other areas) has looked at sea on the sideline when things have turned again him more times than any Mayo supporter cares to remember.

David Brady called him a mercenary. I wonder what David would've called John Maughan?

I'm not saying Evans hasn't been effective up to a point and not taken Ros forward. I just don't believe he is the best choice for Ros at this stage. This is based on plenty of discussions with the in-laws in Meath about his short stint up there and what he had to offer plus a couple of chats with a few lads in work who are of the committed Ros variety that sees them tip down to the Hyde to watch training an odd evening.

Anyway, best of luck to both sides today and if the worst happens to Mayo then drive on Rossies and make sure yee're playing football in August

Both Michael foley and jack O'se mention playing keegan in midfield in today's paper. Not something I've ever heard mentioned before but thinking about it, he might make a great foil for one of the o'se brothers or Barry in there.

RTE ask

Will John Evans' side deploy a blanket defence to curb the Mayo threat?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpA0oPR_EOQ

Oh dear, I'm worried about that Evans bucko, I really am.
He's something nasty up his sleeve for us no doubt and I won't rest aisy until the game is over, the crowds have gone home and the sheep are let back in to graze once more.
If ye bate Jackie Healy-Rae and Micko together, ye wouldn't come up someone half the likes of him. He could mind mice at a crossroads, so he could.
He might just have come up with some cunning ploy to outwit our bedraggled heroes of yesteryear. Our lads have been to the well too many times and arrived back home without a sup of wather to make a cup of tay.
They're there for the taking alright.
I bet Evans will have them wearing them GPS bra thingys  ya hear of so they will be able to tell which goal they are supposed to be shootin' into.
However, there's fight left in the old dogs yet and we're in with a sporting chance if we can hold them scoreless for a spell.
About 60 minutes will do fine by me. ;D

Apart from all that, I can't make it to the game so I'll have to swear at the ref from the comfort of my sitting room.
Good luck to all who travel and may the game be a memorable one.

Sweet f**k the gates of hell have opened up above Roscommon Town!

Any late changes??

Quote from: macdanger2 on June 08, 2014, 01:25:58 PM
Any late changes??

Yes, Larryin89 and Farr are both predicting wins.

Very dhisko in the Hyde.


This place is some kip, the sooner they knock it the better

Mayo Abu

Teams as selected

Raining again

When asked about the bench the first name Horan mentioned was Richie Feeney.

He said the young lads were 'shooting the lights out in training'. Let's hope we see some of that now.

We've won enough ball to be 5 points ahead.

Looking at the bus would be better entertainment!

Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 08, 2014, 02:24:24 PM
Looking at the bus would be better entertainment!

I think we are seeing the Roscommon bus. Only 1 man up and Cafferkey is winning every ball off him.

At the other end Mayo forward play is poor or it would already be over. 7 wides already.

Eddie kinsella must spend his holidays in Westport

If this was an Ulster game both sides would be getting absolutely crucified by the commentators. Brutal stuff.

Quote from: Gabriel on June 08, 2014, 02:29:51 PM
If this was an Ulster game both sides would be getting absolutely crucified by the commentators. Brutal stuff.

Yes you are a victim, now can we move on?

Poor poor game so far

We are badly lacking a player able to pick a pass in the HF line. The long ball over the top of the bus has to be perfect with the wind, and we are struggling with that.

Just saying, Morrissey and McStay seem incapable of calling this for what it is... an appalling game of football.

Sssh, don't tell anyone but we actually have a chance to win this one.

This game shows the difference between the League and Championship. In the League we conceded tons of goals because teams can out to play and our defence was under loads of pressure. Come the Championship teams park the bus and we have 0-4 to 0-3 at ht.

Shocking stuff. Ros playing to their strengths I suppose but its God awful to watch.

Thank God Mayo left the shootings on the bus. 10 wides with a good breeze behind them. Still think they will win though. Subs bench along with a tiring Ros will see them home I think. Some work rate from Ros and that has got to be draining.

Quote from: muppet on June 08, 2014, 02:42:09 PM
This game shows the difference between the League and Championship. In the League we conceded tons of goals because teams can out to play and our defence was under loads of pressure. Come the Championship teams park the bus and we have 0-4 to 0-2 at ht.

0-04 to 0-03, but sure who's counting.

It does help Mayo's defensive efforts when we play one forward on three Mayo backs. I wouldn't be heralding the second coming of your mean defence just yet.

Someone censored Brolly, finally.

Quote from: Syferus on June 08, 2014, 02:44:28 PM

Quote from: muppet on June 08, 2014, 02:42:09 PM
This game shows the difference between the League and Championship. In the League we conceded tons of goals because teams can out to play and our defence was under loads of pressure. Come the Championship teams park the bus and we have 0-4 to 0-2 at ht.

0-04 to 0-03, but sure who's counting.

It does help Mayo's defensive efforts when we play one forward on three Mayo backs. I wouldn't be heralding the second coming of your mean defence just yet.

Read what I said again.

Quote from: muppet on June 08, 2014, 02:46:47 PM

Quote from: Syferus on June 08, 2014, 02:44:28 PM

Quote from: muppet on June 08, 2014, 02:42:09 PM
This game shows the difference between the League and Championship. In the League we conceded tons of goals because teams can out to play and our defence was under loads of pressure. Come the Championship teams park the bus and we have 0-4 to 0-2 at ht.

0-04 to 0-03, but sure who's counting.

It does help Mayo's defensive efforts when we play one forward on three Mayo backs. I wouldn't be heralding the second coming of your mean defence just yet.

Read what I said again.

Whoops, sorry Mupp.

Still got the score wrong ;)

Quote from: Syferus on June 08, 2014, 02:51:22 PM

Quote from: muppet on June 08, 2014, 02:46:47 PM

Quote from: Syferus on June 08, 2014, 02:44:28 PM

Quote from: muppet on June 08, 2014, 02:42:09 PM
This game shows the difference between the League and Championship. In the League we conceded tons of goals because teams can out to play and our defence was under loads of pressure. Come the Championship teams park the bus and we have 0-4 to 0-2 at ht.

0-04 to 0-03, but sure who's counting.

It does help Mayo's defensive efforts when we play one forward on three Mayo backs. I wouldn't be heralding the second coming of your mean defence just yet.

Read what I said again.

Whoops, sorry Mupp.

Still got the score wrong ;)

I had corrected that immediately as well, notice no 'edit' on the original post.

A test now for Horan.

Brolly in w*nker mode again.

Quote from: Syferus on June 08, 2014, 02:41:55 PM
Sssh, don't tell anyone but we actually have a chance to win this one.

No ye don't

Yer shite


Half forward line needs replacing for Mayo

Quote from: muppet on June 08, 2014, 02:46:47 PM

Quote from: Syferus on June 08, 2014, 02:44:28 PM

Quote from: muppet on June 08, 2014, 02:42:09 PM
This game shows the difference between the League and Championship. In the League we conceded tons of goals because teams can out to play and our defence was under loads of pressure. Come the Championship teams park the bus and we have 0-4 to 0-2 at ht.

0-04 to 0-03, but sure who's counting.

It does help Mayo's defensive efforts when we play one forward on three Mayo backs. I wouldn't be heralding the second coming of your mean defence just yet.

Read what I said again.

Whoops, sorry Mupp.

Still got the score wrong ;)

I am glad it came early.

Time for changes James.

Brolly is an embarrassment

Quote from: macdanger2 on June 08, 2014, 03:03:54 PM
Brolly is an embarrassment

Brolly accusing all of Mayo of being pompous and arrogant.

Brolly ffs!

Boyle isn't big or physical enough for CHB.

Other than Doc's opening point the hf line has been very poor.

How Ros have left Collins on the pitch, never mind on Cillian is amazing.

Mayo woudlnt make it out of Ulster too often, no All-ireland in this team i doubt

Ref atrocious, definite free to Ros there.

ha the only class act on the football field arrives at last

A Welcome sight is young Diarmaid Murtagh

Eddie Kinsella is nothing short of a disgrace

Need to get Keith on murtagh.

Def push by cillian

Looks like a bad injury for Shine. Hopefully he is alright.

Mayo showing a similar lethargy as they did in the league semi fibal

Boyler & Keegan are killing us with their passes. Either the forwards are just not moving or it is the passes.

The wheels are coming off the Mayo bus here big time. No plan B.

Andy showing pride in his county.

I love it.

Jeysus Boyler nearly killed us again.

It puts a different spin on Connacht this year.

Roscommon mans collapses with cramp, free Ros.

Good man ref.

6 odd minutes to play, it's there for whoever wants it

Ref is some knob.

If he favoured Mayo earlier, he's evening it up now

Quote from: macdanger2 on June 08, 2014, 03:29:23 PM
If he favoured Mayo earlier, he's evening it up now

His is the stereotypical frustratingly poor overall ref.

I wish they were anonymous.

2 terrible frees he just gave against the Mayo forwards for perfect tackles.

I remember 2001, I don't want to be 2 points up here.

Oh sh*t.

FT Mayo 0-13 Roscommon 1-9

Andy Moran showed some balls with those 2 points.

Thought Roscommon went into their shell there a bit when they got 3 points up. Could probably see the finish line and started hand passing laterally back and forth and back and forth and invariably turned the ball over inside their own half. Maybe a bit of inexperience.

We look as undercooked as we did against Derry.

Won't matter if we hit form later in the year, but I am worried with that form that there won't be a 'later in the year'.

Ros gave it a really good go. When they pushed up on us they made it really difficult and with a bit of luck (e.g. hitting the post) they could have won. They should fear no one in the qualifiers other than maybe a Cork/Kerry.

Spillane giving it to Brolly with O'Rourke smiling in the background.

Quote from: muppet on June 08, 2014, 03:38:17 PM
We look as undercooked as we did against Derry.

Won't matter if we hit form later in the year, but I am worried with that form that there won't be a 'later in the year'.

Ros gave it a really good go. When they pushed up on us they made it really difficult and with a bit of luck (e.g. hitting the post) they could have won. They should fear no one in the qualifiers other than maybe a Cork/Kerry.

Spot on muppet. We came out the traps at top speed last year and were on a downward curve after the quarter win agains Donegal. I think it's deliberate and Horan will be absolutely delighted this evening.

Fair play to Mayo they showed bottle in the end,Good luck to them.

Opportunity missed.Well done to our boys,keep the heads up.

Well done Eddie kinsella

Quote from: rossiewanderer on June 08, 2014, 03:49:01 PM
Fair play to Mayo they showed bottle in the end,Good luck to them.

Opportunity missed.Well done to our boys,keep the heads up.

Well done Eddie kinsella

Lot's of positives from a Roscommon view there too. It must be sickening to lose a close game but the quality that Murtagh in particular showed when he came on indicates he will be on plenty of winning teams in the years to come.

That last run through the middle was reminiscent of 2001, thankfully the outcome was different

One point. One damn point.

We put ourselves in a position to win and lost. It's more sickening to lose like this than being hammered, at least we knew it wasn't there for us those days.

We can't slip quietly out of the championship this year. We showed too much this year to just be a road bump for the big boys. Diarmuid to start the next day, but Donie's injuries piled up today and he is so important to us. I wish the lad the best regardless.

That's a tough one to swallow from a Ros perspective, they had that game won and just handed it to Mayo.

Terrible from mayo today, at least they woke up and played for 10 minutes.
Hard to pick a mayo man of the match

Enjoyed that! Learned allot about ourselves today. Roscommon to be fair stuck very well to a game plan and nearly sneaked it. We are still in second gear but we upped it today when we had to. The celebrations at the end showed how much it meant to the players.

Quote from: Syferus on June 08, 2014, 03:58:30 PM
One point. One damn point.

We put ourselves in a position to win and lost. It's more sickening to lose like this than being hammered, at least we knew it wasn't there for us those days.

We can't slip quietly out of the championship this year. We showed too much this year to just be a road bump for the big boys. Diarmuid to start the next day, but Donie's injuries piled up today and he is so important to us. I wish the lad the best regardless.

If he is important to ye then ye are in some bother, he was hopeless today, this is obviously the rubbish you are referring to when you rave about roscommon

If Ros and Galway improve further it'll be good for whichever teams come out of Connacht.

Great effort by Roscommon deserved at least a draw IMO. Will be interested how both fare in the rest of championship a competive game like that should bring both sides on.

Game-plan for when we meet in the AI final in September: steal James' magic baseball cap.

Quote from: seafoid on June 08, 2014, 05:24:26 PM
If Ros and Galway improve further it'll be good for whichever teams come out of Connacht.

If Ros and Galway improve it'll be good for Ros and Galway. Dublin are not worried about other teams improving in Leinster, it does not matter. It's all about August and being prepared and ready. Provincial championship is shadow boxing anymore!

Quote from: Syferus on June 08, 2014, 05:58:11 PM
Game-plan for when we meet in the AI final in September: steal James' magic baseball cap.

Lookit. There's no call for that.

Ros will win their next game. Mayo won't.

Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 08, 2014, 06:31:08 PM
Ros will win their next game. Mayo won't.

You're severely over-rating Sligalway there. Sligo being without Marren might cost them a chance at making it three in a row over Galway but neither will go to McHale and win.

Best of luck to Mayo, I don't know if ye can do it this year but sure ye might as well give it a go.

What happens when we run out of cracks to paper over?

Hope that today's half forward line is dropped the next day. They looked liked lost pilgrims. I've said it all year that Barry Moran and feeney will gell that team.

Positives were andy, Dillon, Boyle and the full back line.

No point in peeking too soon.

Tough luck on Ross. Telling it as it is ye blew it big time. That's a pasting in an u21 final and a game ye let slip. I'm afraid it's season over for ye.

Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 08, 2014, 06:31:08 PM
Ros will win their next game. Mayo won't.

I'd be of the contrary belief.  Today was a bigger game for Ros than Mayo.  Horan treated todays game like a league match.  He chanced a  novel half forward line. Today was the day to catch Mayo and Ros missed the BUS.

Quote from: highorlow on June 08, 2014, 06:41:38 PM
What happens when we run out of cracks to paper over?

Hope that today's half forward line is dropped the next day. They looked liked lost pilgrims. I've said it all year that Barry Moran and feeney will fell that team.

Positives were andy, Dillon, Boyle and the full back line.

No point in peaking too soon.

Tough luck on Ross. Telling it as it is ye blew it big time. That's a pasting in an u21 final and a game ye let slip. I'm afraid it's season over for ye.

Agree with the full back line and Andy. Dillon not so sure and Boyle needs to be put back on his wing. He is a great wingback but too small and easily dispossessed by the big men in the middle. His passing was cruel today as well but in fairness that is not like him and he wasn't the only one.

Hard luck to the Rossies in here. I was sure with 10 to go that ye were going to kick on and win by 4/5 after Murtagh s inspirational scores.

So I m delighted with the resolve shown by us at the death to hang in and steal it. These were the types of game we used to lose to Ros/Galway in my youth. At least we cant be accused of throwing in the towel today - not that Horans team ever has. So I was thrilled with the win if not quite the performance. I d have still taken a draw in injury time when we were hanging on too.

Conditions didn t help either team, ball a bar o soap and a wind all over the place.

When I got back to the wagon and turned on midwest radio I thought somebody had died. Maughan downbeat and Billy Fitz practically in tears. The chance is gone they believe. There is no magic up front. It s difficult to put up an arguement. When a team sets up against us like Tyrone did last year and Roscommon repeated today we struggle and expect the same the next day. Our game has been rumbled and today our carriers and runners were ambushed and turned over repeatedly or forced into poor kick passing. Our inside forwards just don t have the dash to get on enough ball either (although Cillian did well I thought). Freeman was hurt in warm-up when he was clattered by Hennelly and looked for a while like he might not start at all. He was beaten for more ball than he won. McLoughlin needs to play on the wing maybe with Richie on the other wing with Cillian at 11. Agree with those who want Boyle restored to the wing. If Gibbons and Parsons return to fitness it gives us options. We will get sharper and it s 5 weeks before CF but it is difficult to see where the inspiration inside is going to come from.

Just back in the door, relief being the overriding feeling after scraping through that one. Fair play to Ros, they had a game plan. It wasn't pretty, but they stuck with it, brought in the young guns at the right time and only for a lack of composure could've have won it. As for ourselves, that win is not going to paper over the problems that are still evident since the AIF. 1-9 we were OK (and only OK), but our HF forward line is becoming more ineffective with every game, and playing Kevin McLoughlin at 13 is not helping the situation. It was no coincidence that he was far more effective when he came out the field and stayed there rather than flitting in and out from the FF line. Our FF line had no shape to it other than Freeman staying at the edge of the square. I couldn't figure out how we were setting up to play, so no surprise that our attacks were breaking down between the Ros 40 and 21, due to a combination of Ros' blanket defending, little or no movement from the FF line, lack of support runners, players appearing to seek out heavy traffic instead of open space and again an inability to consistently deliver decent long ball in. Moy got it right about finishing with a stronger forward line than that which started, only for that we'd be looking at the qualifier draw.

It looked like the FF line were making no runs resulting in.the man on the ball ending up carrying the ball and eventually getting swallowed up.

The game v Galway would be in Castlebar, where would s game v sligo be??

Quote from: macdanger2 on June 08, 2014, 07:50:06 PM
It looked like the FF line were making no runs resulting in.the man on the ball ending up carrying the ball and eventually getting swallowed up.

The game v Galway would be in Castlebar, where would s game v sligo be??

Castlebar unless Sligo County Board have the brass balls it would take to defy Prenty and take it to Salthill.

Congrats to both teams. To Mayo for coming back to win when it looked like it was slipping away from them. To Roscommon for making little of the Div 1 and Div 3 status of the two teams. I feel it was a game we left behind us. We gave gave away some very silly frees to let Mayo back in when we were 2-3 points clear..Some of our shot selection was poor with Kevin Higgins being the main culprit. He played well overall, but needs to consider his options better. Have to say that i was very disappointed with the performances of both D Shine and Cregg today. Cregg's lack of scoring in last 3 games is a concern. My final point for now is a question... Did John Evans blunder by not starting the Under 21's?

Quote from: Shrewdness on June 08, 2014, 07:54:18 PM
Congrats to both teams. To Mayo for coming back to win when it looked like it was slipping away from them. To Roscommon for making little of the Div 1 and Div 3 status of the two teams. I feel it was a game we left behind us. We gave gave away some very silly frees to let Mayo back in when we were 2-3 points clear..Some of our shot selection was poor with Kevin Higgins being the main culprit. He played well overall, but needs to consider his options better. Have to say that i was very disappointed with the performances of both D Shine and Cregg today. Cregg's lack of scoring in last 3 games is a concern. My final point for now is a question... Did John Evans blunder by not starting the Under 21's?

Hard for Cregger to score from playing a sweeper role for much of the game in fairness.

We all know why Diarmuid and Enda weren't starting and it didn't have anything to do with form. Both will start the next day, particularly with Donie likely out - the ladeens in the know seem to fear it's a cruciate, so he could be in a race to be fit for 2015, nevermind the next day.

Conoreen and Keenan would be big boosts if they were fit for the next day.

Syferus, would you not agree that Cregg's form and performance level has dipped in the last 3 games? For such a key game, i didn't think he played today. Have to give a mention to the referee who i felt was very poor for both teams.

Quote from: Shrewdness on June 08, 2014, 08:15:38 PM
Syferus, would you not agree that Cregg's form and performance level has dipped in the last 3 games? For such a key game, i didn't think he played today. Have to give a mention to the referee who i felt was very poor for both teams.

In terms of forward play absolutely but I thought Cregg won so much ball in the trenches and intercepted plenty of ball in his full-back line too. The lad's work-rate is unreal, even the likes of Paul Flynn don't get around the pitch as much as Cregger. The fact he's a swiss knife of a player means he's never really got a chance to settle into a role. He's given the freedom of the park most days.

Referee was mad-cap alright, that foul on Daly going up the field that he gave the other way is one of the most obviously wrong calls I've seen in an age. He told Niall he'd dived. Nothing to do with the shunt into his back of course.

Syferus, where do we go from here? We can assume that Shine is out of the picture. Murtagh and Smith must start, and as you say, the prospect of Keenan and Conor Daly being available would be a boost. Needless to say, we could do with the luck of the draw for a change.

He did dive, the ref was 100% correct.

Cregg  was diabolical even from the half back line, more interested in throwing his (considerable) weight around than playing football

Huge mistake not playing D Murtagh

In fairness to Freeman some of the balls going into him were brutal

Quote from: Shrewdness on June 08, 2014, 08:29:46 PM
Syferus, where do we go from here? We can assume that Shine is out of the picture. Murtagh and Smith must start, and as you say, the prospect of Keenan and Conor Daly being available would be a boost. Needless to say, we could do with the luck of the draw for a change.

Still a possibility we can get Tyrone, again.

Really at this point we should be looking to get a win over someone that isn't in the Mayo/Dublin/Cork/Kerry/Maybe Donegal axis. We need a victory against a team ahead of us at this point if we're going to make a leap up the peaking order. Two 'moral' victories against Mayo and Tyrone count for shite all if we just go out and throw the towel in the next day.

I don't seeing this panel wilting but they need to be already forgetting about Mayo and translating their good form this year into something tangible. Look what Cavan achieved with some good rolls of the dice last year. Getting to an AIQF isn't beyond this bunch. I'd settle for a 'handy' draw to get us back up on the horse the next day but we are in the tougher side of the draw iirc.

Quote from: Zulu on June 08, 2014, 08:31:34 PM
He did dive, the ref was 100% correct.

Must have been Santa Claus' arm around Niall's neck so.

May have been but it was definitely Niall's hand grabbing on to the tacklers arm and holding it before throwing himself to the ground.

Quote from: Zulu on June 08, 2014, 08:46:22 PM
May have been but it was definitely Niall's hand grabbing on to the tacklers arm and holding it before throwing himself to the ground.

So you're saying the Mayo man made an illegal tackle?

nope

Quote from: Zulu on June 08, 2014, 08:58:56 PM
nope

Then you don't know the rules. It was a foul by the Mayo-man. If he did haven't his arm in an illegal position nothing else could have happened.

Syferus, why do you say we're on the tougher side of the draw?

Right, the Roscommon man grabbed the arm of the Mayo tackler and dived to try and win the free but the ref got it wrong according to you. Fair enough I understand now.

Strangely happy with that win. Much more enjoyable than last years cakewalk and I think it will bring us on an awful lot. Some unneeded panic is setting in with some people over the half forward line and McLoughlins positioning. I think today was a good day to try out the two young lads, it will stand to them. Having watched the game back, they weren't great today but they looked nervous (Conor especially) and made some poor decisions as a result but it was their debut. Andy and to a much lesser extent Dillon looked hungry when they came on and made good contributions. I'm next to certain Kevin Mc will be half forward again when we get to croker, lets try a few things out before things really heat up. We were pretty much septic today and still won, that's all that's needed at this time of year. We should know this by now, of all counties that penny should have dropped for us at this stage!

100% agree with Zulu. The ref made some mistakes today but Daly tried to get Doherty booked by grabbing his arm. It's an old trick but fair play to Kinsella, it was a good spot.

Quote from: Shrewdness on June 08, 2014, 09:15:50 PM
Syferus, why do you say we're on the tougher side of the draw?

We're in 2B irrc, so we'll face one of the winners of the ties between the teams in 1B:

QuoteLeinster - Westmeath, Louth, Carlow
Ulster - Down, Cavan, Monaghan/Tyrone
Munster - Clare/Waterford
Connacht - Leitrim

Ideally we'd like Down to draw Cavan or Mon/Tyrone to thin the herd a little and keep some teams we'd fancy in the running.

1A contains:

QuoteLeinster - Wicklow, Offaly, Laois, Longford
Ulster - Fermanagh, Derry
Munster - Limerick
Connacht - London

Basically only Derry should be beating us of the teams in 1A.

The draw for rounds 1A and 1B take place tomorrow morning at 8.30am.

Quote from: Syferus on June 08, 2014, 07:58:05 PM

Quote from: Shrewdness on June 08, 2014, 07:54:18 PM
Congrats to both teams. To Mayo for coming back to win when it looked like it was slipping away from them. To Roscommon for making little of the Div 1 and Div 3 status of the two teams. I feel it was a game we left behind us. We gave gave away some very silly frees to let Mayo back in when we were 2-3 points clear..Some of our shot selection was poor with Kevin Higgins being the main culprit. He played well overall, but needs to consider his options better. Have to say that i was very disappointed with the performances of both D Shine and Cregg today. Cregg's lack of scoring in last 3 games is a concern. My final point for now is a question... Did John Evans blunder by not starting the Under 21's?

Hard for Cregger to score from playing a sweeper role for much of the game in fairness.

We all know why Diarmuid and Enda weren't starting and it didn't have anything to do with form. Both will start the next day, particularly with Donie likely out - the ladeens in the know seem to fear it's a cruciate, so he could be in a race to be fit for 2015, nevermind the next day.

Conoreen and Keenan would be big boosts if they were fit for the next day.

We don't all know why Diarmuid and Enda didn't start. I, for one, haven't a notion. Why didn't they start if it had nothing to do with form?

Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 08, 2014, 10:22:49 PM

Quote from: Syferus on June 08, 2014, 07:58:05 PM

Quote from: Shrewdness on June 08, 2014, 07:54:18 PM
Congrats to both teams. To Mayo for coming back to win when it looked like it was slipping away from them. To Roscommon for making little of the Div 1 and Div 3 status of the two teams. I feel it was a game we left behind us. We gave gave away some very silly frees to let Mayo back in when we were 2-3 points clear..Some of our shot selection was poor with Kevin Higgins being the main culprit. He played well overall, but needs to consider his options better. Have to say that i was very disappointed with the performances of both D Shine and Cregg today. Cregg's lack of scoring in last 3 games is a concern. My final point for now is a question... Did John Evans blunder by not starting the Under 21's?

Hard for Cregger to score from playing a sweeper role for much of the game in fairness.

We all know why Diarmuid and Enda weren't starting and it didn't have anything to do with form. Both will start the next day, particularly with Donie likely out - the ladeens in the know seem to fear it's a cruciate, so he could be in a race to be fit for 2015, nevermind the next day.

Conoreen and Keenan would be big boosts if they were fit for the next day.

We don't all know why Diarmuid and Enda didn't start. I, for one, haven't a notion. Why didn't they start if it had nothing to do with form?

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=24600.msg1348873#msg1348873

Would I be right in saying we didn't create a single goal scoring chance??

Sos for motm I reckon

Quote from: macdanger2 on June 08, 2014, 10:45:01 PM
Would I be right in saying we didn't create a single goal scoring chance??

Sos for motm I reckon

For both Kevin Mc's point late in the first half and Aiden O'Shea's bad wide early in the 2nd, if there was a runner he would have been in on goal. Last year Cillian or a flying Donie Vaughan might have popped up in these positions. But today it didn't happen once.

If I was a mayo man I'd be hoping that mayo were not fully at the races and gearing themselves to peak later in the season
If not the worry is they are very flat and not as hungry or as intense this year as they need to be if they are to challenge for Sam

Roscommon look like they are a coming team, could be a reversal in next years Connacht championship

In a way , losing today and a run through the qualifiers might have stood mayo in better stead if they are as shaky again next day out
Time will tell

As I said earlier. Satisfied with today's performance. To not play so well, go behind at an important juncture and to squeeze out a win was very uplifting. Anyway, the celebrations at the end told you most of the Mayo lads knew they were in a battle. I have stopped listening to post match postmortems on Midwest. Billy Fitz seems to be always worried about how bad we are. Anyway, we are into the Connacht final. We wont be unbackable in the final this year and that will suit us more. Galway/Sligo from todays performance won't know what Mayo they will be facing.

Diarmuid Murtagh and Andy Moran would have proved a point to their respective managers.. Must be rare for Mayo's half back line to score nothing in a game.

Maybe it's just that Mayo don't do good performances in the Hyde. Looking at results there back as far as 97 would suggest that.
97: Connaught final v Sligo; favourites to win, struggled and nearly got caught at the end. Some dodgy refereeing in our favour as well.
2001 v Roscommon; 2 pts up into injury time, then David Nestor's moment of madness down at the graveyard end resulted in Gerry Lohan goaling down the other.
2001 v Westmeath; lost the qualifier after extra time
2002 v Limerick; scraped out by a single point in the qualifier
2011 v Ros: in the wind and rain it came down to dead ball shoot out between Cillian O'Connor and Donal Shine, Cillian edged it.
2012 v Sligo: a dogfight of a game, edged it by 2 in the end despite having plenty of possession and opportunities.
Today a similar story to 2012. The Hyde definitely doesn't seem to bring out our best....

Don't forget '94. Never forget that one.

Hard luck to lads today superb workrate put in throughout. It was a good competitive hard hitting game that reminded me of the battles between the sides in the late 80s/early 90s. We had the winning of that game no doubt but soft frees given away and two huge points kicked from play from the experienced Andy Moran proved the difference.

Not many sides will hold this Mayo side to just 0-13 this summer. Their six starting forwards was held to i think just 0-3 from play & we held their free scoring half back line scoreless. To win we needed to take all the chances that came out way Higgins hit the post late on and if we had taken one of the other two goal scoring chances we would probably have a Connacht final to look forward to now. To lose both O'Gara.D Shine to injury when we had the momentum was a massive blow and probably the turning point of the game.

A win for us today probably would have shocked most including a few die hard Roscommon supporters but when we make the senior breakthrough with this talented panel of players it shouldn't come as a shock to anyone.

The game today summed up Mayo perfectly. Solid un defence, but up front lacking any composure or quality forward. Only Andy Moran offered anything like a top  class display & he came off the bench. Must be heart breaking for Mayo defenders playing along side such inept forwards. Mayo will get to quarter/semi finals, but will get no further with such a poor set of forwards

A win for us today probably would have shocked most including a few die hard Roscommon supporters but when we make the senior breakthrough with this talented panel of players it shouldn't come as a shock to anyone.

I don't think I will be holding my breath!

Quote from: dublin7 on June 09, 2014, 12:04:05 AM
The game today summed up Mayo perfectly. Solid un defence, but up front lacking any composure or quality forward. Only Andy Moran offered anything like a top  class display & he came off the bench. Must be heart breaking for Mayo defenders playing along side such inept forwards. Mayo will get to quarter/semi finals, but will get no further with such a poor set of forwards

The gas thing is they might even make a  AI final again.  But you are right,  they are going   nowhere!  Still there wont  be a queue to play them in Croker.

Some observations from a mayo fan.
1. K Mc Loughlin is wasted in the ff line we badly need him further out the field.
2. J Doherty is not good enough and is not suited to being a half forward.
3. Andy has to start
4.Was Freeman injured he was like a statue all game he hardly moved?
5.Horan needs to bury the hatchet with Feeney and give him a fair chance its a disgrace the way he is being treated.A hf line with Feeney and Mc Loughlin would address a lot of issues with winning breaking ball and more importantly having a bit of composure while on the ball.
6.Vaughan is still kicking the ball away every time he attempts a kick pass.
7.Is Adam Gallagher still involved with the panel he looked good in the early stages of the league?

Observations from a Down Man
                                               There is not an All Ireland in that Mayo team
                                              We will be seeing a lot more of that talented bunch of Rossies

Quote from: mayoman dan on June 09, 2014, 12:26:55 AM

QuoteSome observations from a mayo fan.
1. K Mc Loughlin is wasted in the ff line we badly need him further out the field.

Agreed 100%

Quote2. J Doherty is not good enough and is not suited to being a half forward.

I think he is good enough but only inside.

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3. Andy has to start

Maybe

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4.Was Freeman injured he was like a statue all game he hardly moved?

We played a lot of ball his way, which he got hands on and then joined the chorus of soapy pass the parcel. I would definitely persist with him.

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5.Horan needs to bury the hatchet with Feeney and give him a fair chance its a disgrace the way he is being treated.A hf line with Feeney and Mc Loughlin would address a lot of issues with winning breaking ball and more importantly having a bit of composure while on the ball.

I could not agree more.

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6.Vaughan is still kicking the ball away every time he attempts a kick pass.

His passing was the best of the HB line today, which is not a compliment.

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7.Is Adam Gallagher still involved with the panel he looked good in the early stages of the league?

I know some of his family and a former great poster here is one of them. I am disappointed, and that is all I will say.

Quote from: From the Bunker on June 08, 2014, 11:14:47 PM
We wont be unbackable in the final this year and that will suit us more. Galway/Sligo from todays performance won't know what Mayo they will be facing.

Mayo will be hot favourites in the Connacht final no matter what happens between Galway and Sligo. Bar one team destroying the other and looking fantastic. Which is very unlikely to happen.

Apparently Adam Gallagher is still on the panel. I saw on the Western how the Mayo Gaels delegate was annoyed about having their game postponed and wondered if Adam would be released for the game.

Quote from: Syferus on June 08, 2014, 11:46:46 PM
Don't forget '94. Never forget that one.

Remind me again, Syf. Was it the Offaly comeback in the hurling ?
Or did the crossbar break again ?

What is Horans issue with 'club commitments'.

That was a weak interview by him. Probably more to do with the intensity of the game.

Based on the posts here and everywhere else in the media we will be written off this year. People will never learn. Not many were writing off the Cork hurlers after their rusty display in game 1.

Could be '12 all over again.

Honestly, it's hard to know about yesterday, have we really shook off our league form? It doesn't look to me as if we have, then again, the conditions didn't help. Saying that it wouldn't have helped Roscommon either. I was confident we would get a good performance from the team before the game. We got a win and a performance for around 10 minutes at the end. That was tough on Ros yesterday, but I'm sure the U-21s and the other young ones will learn from it. I also wonder was Evans wrong to leave the U-21s on the bench for that length of time. Thankfully for us he did, but from Ros's own perspective it was mindboggling. I agree with mayoman dan regarding 6 out of his 7 observations. I wouldn't start Andy, he showed yesterday that when the going got tough he was able to step in and lead. Would he be able to do that if he was on from the beginning in a dogfight, I'm not so sure. I would have given Tom Cunniffe man of the match.

PS Rossies, am I the only one who thinks Donie Shine is severely over-rated? Sure, he's a great man from dead-ball situations, but from play, he didn't do much. Certainly not a good number 11.

PPS, my own worries about the half-forwardline seemed to be shared by Horan as the game went on. And to sub 4 of the starting 6 forwards highlights the problems we have up front.

Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 09, 2014, 09:56:15 AM
PS Rossies, am I the only one who thinks Donie Shine is severely over-rated? Sure, he's a great man from dead-ball situations, but from play, he didn't do much. Certainly not a good number 11.

No you are not the only one,he is one of the most over rated players in the country along side Cathal Cregg, they both are built up to be players they aren't by "experts" within the county who must see games in totally different ways to the normal people. Shine took a free yesterday in front of goal and it even missed the net it went so far wide.

Having said all that I hope his injury isnt anything serious.

Quote from: Put Up That Flag on June 09, 2014, 10:04:13 AM
Having said all that I hope his injury isnt anything serious.

+1

Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 09, 2014, 04:42:19 AM

Quote from: From the Bunker on June 08, 2014, 11:14:47 PM
We wont be unbackable in the final this year and that will suit us more. Galway/Sligo from todays performance won't know what Mayo they will be facing.

Mayo will be hot favourites in the Connacht final no matter what happens between Galway and Sligo. Bar one team destroying the other and looking fantastic. Which is very unlikely to happen.

Mayo are 1/6 for Connacht at the moment. That'll probably lengthen to 1/4 or 5 if it's Galway we're playing and shorten to 1/7 or 8 if it's Sligo. Crazy odds

Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 09, 2014, 09:56:15 AM
Honestly, it's hard to know about yesterday, have we really shook off our league form? It doesn't look to me as if we have, then again, the conditions didn't help. Saying that it wouldn't have helped Roscommon either. I was confident we would get a good performance from the team before the game. We got a win and a performance for around 10 minutes at the end. That was tough on Ros yesterday, but I'm sure the U-21s and the other young ones will learn from it. I also wonder was Evans wrong to leave the U-21s on the bench for that length of time. Thankfully for us he did, but from Ros's own perspective it was mindboggling. I agree with mayoman dan regarding 6 out of his 7 observations. I wouldn't start Andy, he showed yesterday that when the going got tough he was able to step in and lead. Would he be able to do that if he was on from the beginning in a dogfight, I'm not so sure. I would have given Tom Cunniffe man of the match.

PS Rossies, am I the only one who thinks Donie Shine is severely over-rated? Sure, he's a great man from dead-ball situations, but from play, he didn't do much. Certainly not a good number 11.

PPS, my own worries about the half-forwardline seemed to be shared by Horan as the game went on. And to sub 4 of the starting 6 forwards highlights the problems we have up front.

Do we have the luxury of not starting Andy? Or Dillon?
Andy and Dillon with Cillian and McLoughlin are our most effective forwards. Sadly it is now obvious that we don t have the forward resources of Dublin who can leave McManamon, Costello, Mannion and Rock off and still start an effective 6. That game yesterday was almost gone when Andy was sprung. Another day it could be beyond rescue. Why go to the trouble of getting Andy and Dillon right again and leave them sitting on the bench for an hour? If the starting 6 were burning the grass up then yeah great tactic but it doesn t look like that s going to happen any time soon.
I don t think we should be as threadbare as we are up front but unfortunately that is how this aspect of the team has evolved.
4 forwards subbed. 2 starting forwards score from play - and one of those a player a lot of supporters reckon is 'only' a back.

QuoteHonestly, it's hard to know about yesterday, have we really shook off our league form?

We have. Some of the tackling by us yesterday was superb. Even the ref couldn't believe it and started offering Ross frees that didn't exist. This poor judgement by the ref happened on a least 3 occasions in the last ten minutes, I suppose that's to be expected playing away.

That dispossession game wasn't part of the league play. Roscommon were indisciplined in the last ten minutes but that was through sheer pressure we were applying. A few tweaks in the forward line and we are coming good. Our full backs were immense and the goal was not their fault. Our mid-field was a bit below par. Our own discipline was good and I don't think we gave away too many scoreable (valid) frees.

Whealan pointed out a weakness that we carried over from the league and that is leaving a large hole in the defense under our own kick outs. Ross got there goal from through that avenue. Our shooting with the wind in the 1st half was poor, that's only a bit of rust that will be worked on.

Like a lot of teams for whom ultra-defensive tactics are not the norm, Roscommon simply were not clinical enough when they got up the other end of the field.
Playing this way seems to take the edge off an attacking players accuracy.
It's as if they over-think every shot at goal as they realise that scoring opportunities are going to be few and far between and tense up as a result.
Chances that would normally be slotted over start to go a foot wide or drop into the keeper's hands.

Quote from: highorlow on June 09, 2014, 10:41:39 AM

QuoteHonestly, it's hard to know about yesterday, have we really shook off our league form?

We have. Some of the tackling by us yesterday was superb. Even the ref couldn't believe it and started offering Ross frees that didn't exist. This poor judgement by the ref happened on a least 3 occasions in the last ten minutes, I suppose that's to be expected playing away.

That dispossession game wasn't part of the league play. Roscommon were indisciplined in the last ten minutes but that was through sheer pressure we were applying. A few tweaks in the forward line and we are coming good. Our full backs were immense and the goal was not their fault. Our mid-field was a bit below par. Our own discipline was good and I don't think we gave away too many scoreable (valid) frees.

Whealan pointed out a weakness that we carried over from the league and that is leaving a large hole in the defense under our own kick outs. Ross got there goal from through that avenue. Our shooting with the wind in the 1st half was poor, that's only a bit of rust that will be worked on.

Ref Seemed to Crack open a different rule book for the second half all right .

My opinion in that it was mayos 10 1st half wide that made yesterday look like a contest and that is the area we should concetrate on improving.  Ross put up a good challange  but must ahve been  encouragedafter getting whipped in the first half to go in just 1 point down.
other than that mayo played OK but its all about the scores .

Quote from: highorlow on June 09, 2014, 10:41:39 AM

QuoteHonestly, it's hard to know about yesterday, have we really shook off our league form?

We have. Some of the tackling by us yesterday was superb. Even the ref couldn't believe it and started offering Ross frees that didn't exist. This poor judgement by the ref happened on a least 3 occasions in the last ten minutes, I suppose that's to be expected playing away.

That dispossession game wasn't part of the league play. Roscommon were indisciplined in the last ten minutes but that was through sheer pressure we were applying. A few tweaks in the forward line and we are coming good. Our full backs were immense and the goal was not their fault. Our mid-field was a bit below par. Our own discipline was good and I don't think we gave away too many scoreable (valid) frees.

Whealan pointed out a weakness that we carried over from the league and that is leaving a large hole in the defense under our own kick outs. Ross got there goal from through that avenue. Our shooting with the wind in the 1st half was poor, that's only a bit of rust that will be worked on.

I d be inclined to agree but the tweaks could be the tricky bit for me. I didn t see a forward 6 before yesterday's game and I still don t see one without fairly radical changes. Something like.

McLoughlin Cillian Gallagher/Feeney
Dillon Andy Freeman

or

McLoughlin O Se Gall/Feeney
Dillon Andy Cillian

Problem with the above is lack of impact from the bench. Also a shame that Gallagher has fallen out of favour like others before him. Our forward options could be a lot better.

Rosnarun, just to clarify the wides and ref for you. Mayo kicked 13 wides, Ros had 9. The ref awarded Mayo 20 frees, Ros got 19. One yellow card each.

Have seen no comment on Keegans performance yet. I was amazed by it. He done everything at less than half pace. Similar to the Derry game. I trust him though to peak and raise his game from late July on.

No mention either of the conditions .... a very tight pitch that plays even tighter than its size, always bloody windy it seems (moreso given the elevation) and wet - exactly the opposite type of conditions required to play open expansive fast football. Once that thunder shower happened befoer the start i was expecting it to be a flip of the coin type of game. A type of game i'd love to have seen the Dubs having to face away from the sexy open spaces of Croke Park.

Anyway, next days forward line for me.....
McLoughlin Aidan Feeney
Dillon Freeman Sweeney

I just think that Sweeney brings a consistenct pace and energy that we badly need. A more skillful version of David Nestor.
Andy the super-sub.
Have not overly convinced myself of whether Dillon would be effective in the corner. Probably more a case of himself and McLoughlin constantly switching

I don't think the half forward line are solely to blame for their poor performance yesterday. The inside forwards weren't showing for the ball early enough and when they were, Roscommon had a lot of men back covering. Cillian and Freeman are the two men we're putting most of our hopes on this year and (Cillian's free excepted) neither stood out yesterday.

It's a bit worrying that we hadn't a change of gameplan to counter the massed defence Roscommon went with – I doubt it'll be the last time we'll come up against that this summer.

QuoteCillian and Freeman are the two men we're putting most of our hopes on this year and (Cillian's free excepted) neither stood out yesterday.

When proper diagonal ball from Dillion and Andy was starting to go to Cillian he was winning it easily. McL is better delivering ball than receiving it so he should be out in the HFL. A straight swap with Doherty is necessary.

Freeman's positional sense is poor for the last few games now. I think he won 2 frees in the first half but apart from that he wasn't up to standard.

In fairness to them though the Ross backs were very impressive. Did Freeman get injured or something? He didn't participate in the warm up and only came out for the parade?

Hennelly clobbered Freeman in the warm up

I dont know if its how freeman isnt making the right runs but he seems content to stand beside his man and back himself to win the ball that comes in. However when the ball in is poor then he has little chance.

Quote from: Shrewdness on June 09, 2014, 11:45:24 AM
Rosnarun, just to clarify the wides and ref for you. Mayo kicked 13 wides, Ros had 9. The ref awarded Mayo 20 frees, Ros got 19. One yellow card each.

most of the wides mayo kicked in the 1st half were aimless passes or shots that drifted out over the line. 7 pointed frees mayo got and few of them looked soft.

Quote from: blast05 on June 09, 2014, 11:49:05 AM
Have seen no comment on Keegans performance yet. I was amazed by it. He done everything at less than half pace. Similar to the Derry game. I trust him though to peak and raise his game from late July on.

No mention either of the conditions .... a very tight pitch that plays even tighter than its size, always bloody windy it seems (moreso given the elevation) and wet - exactly the opposite type of conditions required to play open expansive fast football. Once that thunder shower happened befoer the start i was expecting it to be a flip of the coin type of game. A type of game i'd love to have seen the Dubs having to face away from the sexy open spaces of Croke Park.

Anyway, next days forward line for me.....
McLoughlin Aidan Feeney
Dillon Freeman Sweeney

I just think that Sweeney brings a consistenct pace and energy that we badly need. A more skillful version of David Nestor.
Andy the super-sub.
Have not overly convinced myself of whether Dillon would be effective in the corner. Probably more a case of himself and McLoughlin constantly switching

So you re leaving out Cillian and Andy? Arguably our 2 best forwrds yesterday.

Bring back Evan Regan, and drop Cillian. We think Horans selections are strange

What Roscommon need to do now is not see yesterday as some kind of moral victory, because it wasn't. It was a missed opportunity, because it's a game that they could have won..Nobody gave them a hope going in to the game. But the management and team had faith in the game plan, because if they didn't, they couldn't have turned in that performance. They need to take the positives from that game and build on them. They need to also take the negatives and learn from them, and move on..Interesting to see John Evans comments after the game when asked why he hadn't started the u-21 players. ''you can't be hanging your coats on young fellas''.

Quote from: blast05 on June 09, 2014, 11:49:05 AM
Have seen no comment on Keegans performance yet. I was amazed by it. He done everything at less than half pace. Similar to the Derry game. I trust him though to peak and raise his game from late July on.

No mention either of the conditions .... a very tight pitch that plays even tighter than its size, always bloody windy it seems (moreso given the elevation) and wet - exactly the opposite type of conditions required to play open expansive fast football. Once that thunder shower happened befoer the start i was expecting it to be a flip of the coin type of game. A type of game i'd love to have seen the Dubs having to face away from the sexy open spaces of Croke Park.

Anyway, next days forward line for me.....
McLoughlin Aidan Feeney
Dillon Freeman Sweeney

I just think that Sweeney brings a consistenct pace and energy that we badly need. A more skillful version of David Nestor.


Agree with that synopsis Blast, we really lacked urgency in possession yesterday - particularly in the first half - a lot of nonchalant passing and dropping the ball short to the goalie.. Lethargic stuff..
Keegan in particular, who provided a lot of zip last year from the half back line, seemed to be way too relaxed!.. hopefully getting out of Hyde in the manner they did, will provide the much needed shock of cold water to the faces.. or sumfin :)
The backdrop and conditions were like something out of a snazzy Etihad marketing campaign yesterday, but still, no place you'd rather be, sitting in the middle of it, the air charged with negative ions, the heavens threatening to open,
your heart in your mouth, and you come away with a one point win.

Quote from: moysider on June 09, 2014, 01:24:06 PM

Quote from: blast05 on June 09, 2014, 11:49:05 AM
Have seen no comment on Keegans performance yet. I was amazed by it. He done everything at less than half pace. Similar to the Derry game. I trust him though to peak and raise his game from late July on.

No mention either of the conditions .... a very tight pitch that plays even tighter than its size, always bloody windy it seems (moreso given the elevation) and wet - exactly the opposite type of conditions required to play open expansive fast football. Once that thunder shower happened befoer the start i was expecting it to be a flip of the coin type of game. A type of game i'd love to have seen the Dubs having to face away from the sexy open spaces of Croke Park.

Anyway, next days forward line for me.....
McLoughlin Aidan Feeney
Dillon Freeman Sweeney

I just think that Sweeney brings a consistenct pace and energy that we badly need. A more skillful version of David Nestor.
Andy the super-sub.
Have not overly convinced myself of whether Dillon would be effective in the corner. Probably more a case of himself and McLoughlin constantly switching

So you re leaving out Cillian and Andy? Arguably our 2 best forwrds yesterday.

Jaysus .... major typo ... i'll never be the one trusted with filling out the team sheet  :o.... Cillian aod Aidan

Quote from: Shrewdness on June 09, 2014, 01:39:42 PM
What Roscommon need to do now is not see yesterday as some kind of moral victory, because it wasn't. It was a missed opportunity, because it's a game that they could have won..Nobody gave them a hope going in to the game. But the management and team had faith in the game plan, because if they didn't, they couldn't have turned in that performance. They need to take the positives from that game and build on them. They need to also take the negatives and learn from them, and move on..Interesting to see John Evans comments after the game when asked why he hadn't started the u-21 players. ''you can't be hanging your coats on young fellas''.

Unless that young fella is Diarmuid Murtagh, apparently. Evans has to name both Diarmuid and Enda the next day. Enda won some fantastic ball in the middle but the sloppy ball didn't help his cause, a dry day and he can run teams into the ground.

Time for Evans to start with his best 15.

Quote from: Blowitupref on June 09, 2014, 12:38:13 PM

Quote from: Shrewdness on June 09, 2014, 11:45:24 AM
Rosnarun, just to clarify the wides and ref for you. Mayo kicked 13 wides, Ros had 9. The ref awarded Mayo 20 frees, Ros got 19. One yellow card each.

most of the wides mayo kicked in the 1st half were aimless passes or shots that drifted out over the line. 7 pointed frees mayo got and few of them looked soft.

Thats just not correct, majority of Mayo wides were shots tailing off to the right of the posts with the wind, our forwards didnt adjust for the wind at all seemingly.
(assuming you dont take the very literal sense of drifting out over the end line, in which case that is every wide)