It's time to play for all the marbles.
Roscommon vs. Kildare
Mayo vs. Westmeath
Kerry vs. Tyrone
Monaghan vs. Tipp
All to be played August bank holiday weekend.
Will some of these be thrown in with the Senior Quarter finals?
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 21, 2013, 06:20:42 PM
Will some of these be thrown in with the Senior Quarter finals?
Always one before each senior QF double bill. Tullamore a live prospect for a double of the Connacht-Leinster ties. Depends on what the senior QF bills shake down as.
The Mayo minors and seniors were played as a double bill last year at this stage.
Probably won't let the Leinster teams get "home" advantage by playing any of these in Croker.
If us and Kildare are a stand alone we're looking at Longford or Tullamore as neither of us will be in Senior action :(
Mayowr, Monaghan and Kerry already on double duty with a possibility of Tyrone also so they won't all get Senior/Minor in Croker.
And not a bank holiday Monday in the wee 6 counties, so Kerry v Tyrone will def be the Sat/Sun.
Us and Kildare in Tullamore 4pm Holiday Monday.
I presume the Rhus and the Westies are also on the same bill?
Quote from: Rossfan on July 27, 2013, 10:43:01 PM
Us and Kildare in Tullamore 4pm Holiday Monday.
I presume the Rhus and the Westies are also on the same bill?
Yep 2:15. Tyrone v Kerry the only minor game in Croker. (On Sunday) Monaghan v Tipp in Longford on Monday.
Quote from: ross4life on July 27, 2013, 11:01:31 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 27, 2013, 10:43:01 PM
Us and Kildare in Tullamore 4pm Holiday Monday.
I presume the Rhus and the Westies are also on the same bill?
Yep 2:15. Tyrone v Kerry the only minor game in Croker. (On Sunday) Monaghan v Tipp in Longford on Monday.
That one makes no sense to me. That said, scheduling Connacht minor teams to play the day of the Ted Webb finals isn't too hot either.
Quote from: ross4life on July 27, 2013, 11:01:31 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 27, 2013, 10:43:01 PM
Us and Kildare in Tullamore 4pm Holiday Monday.
I presume the Rhus and the Westies are also on the same bill?
Yep 2:15. Tyrone v Kerry the only minor game in Croker. (On Sunday) Monaghan v Tipp in Longford on Monday.
I intend to go to this one. If we get cleaned out around the middle like we did against ye, it could end in tears for us.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 28, 2013, 11:08:27 AM
Quote from: ross4life on July 27, 2013, 11:01:31 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 27, 2013, 10:43:01 PM
Us and Kildare in Tullamore 4pm Holiday Monday.
I presume the Rhus and the Westies are also on the same bill?
Yep 2:15. Tyrone v Kerry the only minor game in Croker. (On Sunday) Monaghan v Tipp in Longford on Monday.
I intend to go to this one. If we get cleaned out around the middle like we did against ye, it could end in tears for us.
Westmeath don't look better able than us to take their chances, their only hope is maintaining their fine goal concession rate and working from there. Conceivably Mayo could reach the AI final without being forced to throw the kitchen sink at a team.
monaghan v tipp in longford :o :o as a stand alone game with many monaghan supporters workin over the border or to facilitate the non holiday there ... cant see why this wasnt thrown in before the monaghan senior fixture on the sat but kerry again get the croke fixture along with their senior team ???? well seein minors dont have any importance when an all ireland 1/4 final will resemble a club game from a supporter numbers point of view
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 28, 2013, 11:08:27 AM
Quote from: ross4life on July 27, 2013, 11:01:31 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 27, 2013, 10:43:01 PM
Us and Kildare in Tullamore 4pm Holiday Monday.
I presume the Rhus and the Westies are also on the same bill?
Yep 2:15. Tyrone v Kerry the only minor game in Croker. (On Sunday) Monaghan v Tipp in Longford on Monday.
I intend to go to this one. If we get cleaned out around the middle like we did against ye, it could end in tears for us.
Westmeath got cleaned out at midfield by Kildare though, so it may balance out. The top ball winning midfielder in the county has been added to the panel (was tied up with rugby previously) so that may improve prospects there, if Carr throws him in. Overly reliant on Loughlin up front, but as has been alluded to the backline is quite tight.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 28, 2013, 11:08:27 AM
Quote from: ross4life on July 27, 2013, 11:01:31 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 27, 2013, 10:43:01 PM
Us and Kildare in Tullamore 4pm Holiday Monday.
I presume the Rhus and the Westies are also on the same bill?
Yep 2:15. Tyrone v Kerry the only minor game in Croker. (On Sunday) Monaghan v Tipp in Longford on Monday.
I intend to go to this one. If we get cleaned out around the middle like we did against ye, it could end in tears for us.
Ye got cleaned out around the middle against us in the 2008 Connacht minor final and the final in Salthill 2009 but it didn't stop ye from reaching both All Ireland finals.
I find it quite amusing the obsession the rossies have with the minor grade, its fuckin mental carry on, honestly will ye ever cop on to the fact it means jack shit when it comes to senior grade.
Quote from: larryin89 on July 28, 2013, 03:20:09 PM
I find it quite amusing the obsession the rossies have with the minor grade, its fuckin mental carry on, honestly will ye ever cop on to the fact it means jack shit when it comes to senior grade.
The minor grade is feeder for U-21 level and then you hope get at least dozen good underage players out of any successful underage teams. In Mayo case you could have the likes of Aidan O'Shea,Cillian O'Connor who impressed so much at minor level that they don't need the U-21 grade to make the step.
Before the early 00s we didn't take our underage football very serious while underage success is no guarantee of senior success continued failure at under age practically guarantees failure at senior level.
You hope to get a dozen senior players out of a successful minor team???
Quote from: ross4life on July 28, 2013, 03:54:30 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 28, 2013, 03:20:09 PM
I find it quite amusing the obsession the rossies have with the minor grade, its fuckin mental carry on, honestly will ye ever cop on to the fact it means jack shit when it comes to senior grade.
The minor grade is feeder for U-21 level and then you hope get at least dozen good underage players out of any successful underage teams. In Mayo case you could have the likes of Aidan O'Shea,Cillian O'Connor who impressed so much at minor level that they don't need the U-21 grade to make the step.
Before the early 00s we didn't take our underage football very serious while underage success is no guarantee of senior success continued failure at under age practically guarantees failure at senior level.
Very well said. I also like the minor grade too, and the u-21 grade too for that matter.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 28, 2013, 03:56:18 PM
Quote from: ross4life on July 28, 2013, 03:54:30 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 28, 2013, 03:20:09 PM
I find it quite amusing the obsession the rossies have with the minor grade, its fuckin mental carry on, honestly will ye ever cop on to the fact it means jack shit when it comes to senior grade.
The minor grade is feeder for U-21 level and then you hope get at least dozen good underage players out of any successful underage teams. In Mayo case you could have the likes of Aidan O'Shea,Cillian O'Connor who impressed so much at minor level that they don't need the U-21 grade to make the step.
Before the early 00s we didn't take our underage football very serious while underage success is no guarantee of senior success continued failure at under age practically guarantees failure at senior level.
Very well said. I also like the minor grade too, and the u-21 grade too for that matter.
Agreed, I saw Pearse Hanley score 9 points in an U-21 match in McHale Park. I was really looking forward to seeing him when he was a bit older but alas.
Quote from: Tubberman on July 28, 2013, 03:55:49 PM
You hope to get a dozen senior players out of a successful minor team???
I said teams. U-21 and few minor teams
For our example we lost 2009 minor Connacht final to ye after replay. Paddy Brogan, Niall Daly, Ciaran Cafferky; Cathal Shine,Scott Oates, Colin Compton etc was on that minor team. They all played in last years U-21 team that reached All Ireland final and all of them are on our current senior panel
Quote from: larryin89 on July 28, 2013, 03:20:09 PM
I find it quite amusing the obsession the rossies have with the minor grade, its fuckin mental carry on, honestly will ye ever cop on to the fact it means jack shit when it comes to senior grade.
Ah, you are being a little harsh. There is no harm in some one getting excited in the progression of their counties underage teams. Especially if their senior team is going through a bad patch. It can help moral in a county and offer a small bit of hope for the future.
Ahh you're missing the point, i'm not saying you don't get a few players from minor teams that progress both into 21s and then senior. Its the whole level on concentration on the actual teams results in Ros since 06 minor win , its no harm but id go as far to say the rossie set up has neglected the senior camp in preference for making good underage teams.
My ideas would be different, lets take that crompton lad ye had in the middle the last day, he's got it, he'd make it, he's for the future, take him away and tell him he's going to be the anchor in ros midfield and nurture him and advise him , i wouldn't even be bothered with putting him through 21 level , put him into senior squad next season.
We started an 18 year-old against Tyrone, don't you worry your headers about us getting lads into the senior team early. Evans already has our just-turned-19 U21 midfielder on a program to ready him for senior.
We can walk and chew gum at the same time.
Quote from: Syferus on July 28, 2013, 04:53:57 PM
We started an 18 year-old against Tyrone, don't you worry your headers about us getting lads into the senior team early. Evans already has our just-turned-19 U21 midfielder on a program to ready him for senior.
We can walk and chew gum at the same time.
Mind you don't choke ;)
Quote from: larryin89 on July 28, 2013, 04:14:35 PM
Ahh you're missing the point, i'm not saying you don't get a few players from minor teams that progress both into 21s and then senior. Its the whole level on concentration on the actual teams results in Ros since 06 minor win , its no harm but id go as far to say the rossie set up has neglected the senior camp in preference for making good underage teams.
My ideas would be different, lets take that crompton lad ye had in the middle the last day, he's got it, he'd make it, he's for the future, take him away and tell him he's going to be the anchor in ros midfield and nurture him and advise him , i wouldn't even be bothered with putting him through 21 level , put him into senior squad next season.
Remember before the early 00s we neglected our underage teams and are still paying for it at senior level.
When our 2006 minor players came into senior side they hadn't many decent players to lead them forward the 2012,2013 minors should be in different situation now. As for putting minors straight into senior level well for example we more or less did that with Donal,Enda Smith remains to be seen if Cathal Compton will get the nod i'd say last years minor Thomas Corcoran will get chance before him.
I enjoy watching any grade so much more to GAA than just senior level and then you have club football it brings great pride in any supporter to see his club player representing his county.
Quote from: Tubberman on July 28, 2013, 04:57:04 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 28, 2013, 04:53:57 PM
We can walk and chew gum at the same time.
Mind you don't choke ;)
Some unkind people probably wish he would. ;D ::) - or just shut the fcuk up for a whileen.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 28, 2013, 05:46:01 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on July 28, 2013, 04:57:04 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 28, 2013, 04:53:57 PM
We can walk and chew gum at the same time.
Mind you don't choke ;)
Some unkind people probably wish he would. ;D ::) - or just shut the fcuk up for a whileen.
The truth is tough to swallow. Chew on that.
Quote from: larryin89 on July 28, 2013, 04:14:35 PM
Ahh you're missing the point, i'm not saying you don't get a few players from minor teams that progress both into 21s and then senior. Its the whole level on concentration on the actual teams results in Ros since 06 minor win , its no harm but id go as far to say the rossie set up has neglected the senior camp in preference for making good underage teams.
My ideas would be different, lets take that crompton lad ye had in the middle the last day, he's got it, he'd make it, he's for the future, take him away and tell him he's going to be the anchor in ros midfield and nurture him and advise him , i wouldn't even be bothered with putting him through 21 level , put him into senior squad next season.
Oh and seeing as you asked for it before, Mayo EW's Ted Webb team:
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7282/9378032976_6cb530794f_o.jpg)
I can post up the others if the rest of the Connacht counties want to see their teams too.
Quote from: mon_fan66 on July 28, 2013, 01:01:52 PM
monaghan v tipp in longford :o :o as a stand alone game with many monaghan supporters workin over the border or to facilitate the non holiday there ... cant see why this wasnt thrown in before the monaghan senior fixture on the sat but kerry again get the croke fixture along with their senior team ???? well seein minors dont have any importance when an all ireland 1/4 final will resemble a club game from a supporter numbers point of view
Its better to play these quarter finals away from almost empty Croke park and thats what it will be for the Tyrone v Kerry game on Sunday. If Monaghan and others are good enough they will reach the semi final and get their run out in Croke park.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 28, 2013, 08:05:07 PM
Quote from: mon_fan66 on July 28, 2013, 01:01:52 PM
monaghan v tipp in longford :o :o as a stand alone game with many monaghan supporters workin over the border or to facilitate the non holiday there ... cant see why this wasnt thrown in before the monaghan senior fixture on the sat but kerry again get the croke fixture along with their senior team ???? well seein minors dont have any importance when an all ireland 1/4 final will resemble a club game from a supporter numbers point of view
Its better to play these quarter finals away from almost empty Croke park and thats what it will be for the Tyrone v Kerry game on Sunday. If Monaghan and others are good enough they will reach the semi final and get their run out in Croke park.
Minors love getting to Croke Park. One team was robbed of that opportunity by the scheduling and Monaghan supporters have been forced to make a needless second journey on Monday.
I don't see any reason why the Monaghan v. Tipperary quarter final could not be played on Saturday, before the Monaghan v. Tyrone game. Paraic Duffy must have been asleep when that fixture was agreed. Longford on Monday is a very strange venue for the game.
Time this proper All Ireland Championship got a bit of attention.
It's all to play for and we are hopeful of causing an upset bt it's a big "ask" as they say in the world of sport cliches.
If we can get over our custom of letting in soft goals we're in with a shout.
I presume we'll have the usual good following as Roscommon people can't afford to go on holidays these days. Hopefully the 4x4 bucks will have some races to go to if they're not sunning themselves somewhere a.nd leave us with all the support
The Westies will bring a large crowd while the Rhus have bigger fish to be frying or sorrows to be drowning and won't be travelling here.
Best of luck to our buickÃns.
Kildare are in serious pain after being robbed by the banded bandits in Offaly in the Fr Manning. Sure we only need to turn up on the right day and we have this one in the bag.
Looking at the odds for our game, pretty mental considering Roscommon's under-age pedigree and our propensity to play teams from the West as heavy favourites and lose.
Very little hype around this team though, club championships and debate over senior management has been the primary focus so expect Kildare to be mentally focused. We score goals though and seeing as the Roscommon seem to leak them this might give us an edge. We out supported Dublin in Parnell Park so expect the usually good support from Kildare, around 1000 to 1500.
For the neutral, Mescal, Luke Flynn, Healy, Fitzpatrick and McMonagle are the ones to watch imho.
Not happy a Cavan man is refereeing...
Quote from: Syferus on August 02, 2013, 10:29:25 PM
Kildare are in serious pain after being robbed by the banded bandits in Offaly in the Fr Manning. Sure we only need to turn up on the right day and we have this one in the bag.
We had a full round of u16 championship matches the night before, the lads on Uibh Fhaili think it was a momentus victory against the robots though, them having the more natural footballers of course..
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 02, 2013, 10:38:24 PM
Looking at the odds for our game, pretty mental considering Roscommon's under-age pedigree and our propensity to play teams from the West as heavy favourites and lose.
Very little hype around this team though, club championships and debate over senior management has been the primary focus so expect Kildare to be mentally focused. We score goals though and seeing as the Roscommon seem to leak them this might give us an edge. We out supported Dublin in Parnell Park so expect the usually good support from Kildare, around 1000 to 1500.
For the neutral, Mescal, Luke Flynn, Healy, Fitzpatrick and McMonagle are the ones to watch imho.
Not happy a Cavan man is refereeing...
Yer the AI favourites. Ain't no 'very little hype'. Maybe their own supporters are sick of being hype and failing but the bookies and the people manning the scuttlebutt delivery isn't.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 02, 2013, 10:38:24 PM
Looking at the odds for our game, pretty mental considering Roscommon's under-age pedigree and our propensity to play teams from the West as heavy favourites and lose.
Very little hype around this team though, club championships and debate over senior management has been the primary focus so expect Kildare to be mentally focused. We score goals though and seeing as the Roscommon seem to leak them this might give us an edge. We out supported Dublin in Parnell Park so expect the usually good support from Kildare, around 1000 to 1500.
For the neutral, Mescal, Luke Flynn, Healy, Fitzpatrick and McMonagle are the ones to watch imho.
Not happy a Cavan man is refereeing...
Who is it? McQuillan didn't cost the game against Tyrone in fairness, bet by the better side.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 02, 2013, 10:40:48 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 02, 2013, 10:29:25 PM
Kildare are in serious pain after being robbed by the banded bandits in Offaly in the Fr Manning. Sure we only need to turn up on the right day and we have this one in the bag.
We had a full round of u16 championship matches the night before, the lads on Uibh Fhaili think it was a momentus victory against the robots though, them having the more natural footballers of course..
It was still in Kildare's pocket until the Leitrim B team turned out this week (they have the Ted Webb final on Sat and were out of the Fr Manning running, well, so were Offaly for that matter) against Offally and a 8-17 to 0-03 hammering put Offaly into the final by the dint of a +64 to +60 scoring difference over Kildare.
We beat Offaly and they only limped over that dead-legged Kildare team by a point.
The schedule at U16 needs some serious sorting out.
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 02, 2013, 10:46:08 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 02, 2013, 10:38:24 PM
Looking at the odds for our game, pretty mental considering Roscommon's under-age pedigree and our propensity to play teams from the West as heavy favourites and lose.
Very little hype around this team though, club championships and debate over senior management has been the primary focus so expect Kildare to be mentally focused. We score goals though and seeing as the Roscommon seem to leak them this might give us an edge. We out supported Dublin in Parnell Park so expect the usually good support from Kildare, around 1000 to 1500.
For the neutral, Mescal, Luke Flynn, Healy, Fitzpatrick and McMonagle are the ones to watch imho.
Not happy a Cavan man is refereeing...
Who is it? McQuillan didn't cost the game against Tyrone in fairness, bet by the better side.
Noel Mooney, no Dublin Joe didn't cost us the game but he reffed us off the pitch and there was no consistency in his yellow card decisions. I hope Mr Mooney is at least consistent for both teams.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 02, 2013, 11:01:07 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 02, 2013, 10:46:08 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 02, 2013, 10:38:24 PM
Looking at the odds for our game, pretty mental considering Roscommon's under-age pedigree and our propensity to play teams from the West as heavy favourites and lose.
Very little hype around this team though, club championships and debate over senior management has been the primary focus so expect Kildare to be mentally focused. We score goals though and seeing as the Roscommon seem to leak them this might give us an edge. We out supported Dublin in Parnell Park so expect the usually good support from Kildare, around 1000 to 1500.
For the neutral, Mescal, Luke Flynn, Healy, Fitzpatrick and McMonagle are the ones to watch imho.
Not happy a Cavan man is refereeing...
Who is it? McQuillan didn't cost the game against Tyrone in fairness, bet by the better side.
Noel Mooney, no Dublin Joe didn't cost us the game but he reffed us off the pitch and there was no consistency in his yellow card decisions. I hope Mr Mooney is at least consistent for both teams.
I for one am hoping for an entirely balls-up hatchet job in Roscommon's favour.
What match experience does Mooney have?
Quote from: Syferus on August 02, 2013, 10:46:57 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 02, 2013, 10:40:48 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 02, 2013, 10:29:25 PM
Kildare are in serious pain after being robbed by the banded bandits in Offaly in the Fr Manning. Sure we only need to turn up on the right day and we have this one in the bag.
We had a full round of u16 championship matches the night before, the lads on Uibh Fhaili think it was a momentus victory against the robots though, them having the more natural footballers of course..
It was still in Kildare's pocket until the Leitrim B team turned out this week (they have the Ted Webb final on Sat and were out of the Fr Manning running, well, so were Offaly for that matter) against Offally and a 8-17 to 0-03 hammering put Offaly into the final by the dint of a +64 to +60 scoring difference over Kildare.
We beat Offaly and they only limped over that dead-legged Kildare team by a point.
The schedule at U16 needs some serious sorting out.
Yea very unfair on the Kildare lads but them's the breaks, as an u16 group they haven't lost many and actually won the 16 Leinster blitz beating Dublin in the final a couple of weeks. Ner a natural footballer among them...
(http://www.ais.uni-bonn.de/nimbro/rs/pics/2vs1_backview_part.jpg)
No more malfunctions like the last trip to Tullamore.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 02, 2013, 11:27:50 PM
(http://www.ais.uni-bonn.de/nimbro/rs/pics/2vs1_backview_part.jpg)
No more malfunctions like the last trip to Tullamore.
Yer expecting some fairly aimless long balls from the Ros if the Kildare ro-backs have that much time to stand around looking at a ball in the square.
Quote from: Syferus on August 02, 2013, 11:31:54 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 02, 2013, 11:27:50 PM
(http://www.ais.uni-bonn.de/nimbro/rs/pics/2vs1_backview_part.jpg)
No more malfunctions like the last trip to Tullamore.
Yer expecting some fairly aimless long balls from the Ros if the Kildare ro-backs have that much time to stand around looking at a ball in the square.
The Roscommon full forward line have obviously been terminated by this point in time.
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02282/robocop_2282286b.jpg)
The Rossies are even trying to copy our robot footballer program...
(http://www.brendaguyton.com/sculpture_images/Sheep_319.JPG)
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 02, 2013, 11:44:57 PM
The Rossies are even trying to copy our robot footballer program...
(http://www.brendaguyton.com/sculpture_images/Sheep_319.JPG)
I think we've forgotten about not playing the ball on the ground. Would we get called back for soccering it with our front hooves?
In all seriousness, I've heard the Kildare lads are having nightmares about this next match.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8219/8435160031_dbc783039c_z.jpg)
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 03, 2013, 12:06:19 AM
In all seriousness, I've heard the Kildare lads are having nightmares about this next match.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8219/8435160031_dbc783039c_z.jpg)
Luckily for Kildare Graham Canty wooden't be manning the defence.
Isn't a big difference between Kildare or Mayo both are well able to score goals and both have good players in key positions. Soft goals conceded has been our achilles heel all year but if we break that habit on Monday we'll have great chance of causing upset, the 4/1 odds are very tempting.
I see Kildare have 8 minors from last year (open to correction) P Mescal, R Houlihan; P Connell,
N Flynn, M Sherry,W Fitzpatrick, C McMonagle, C Healy those lads showed good character to win Leinster this summer after the heavy defeat they shipped v Dublin last year.
Leinster was fairly poor at minor level this year, I wouldn't be over rating Kildare.
Tipperary team to play Monaghan on Monday is unchanged from the team that played Kerry in Munster Final. Best of luck to them.
Anyone get the result of the Kerry v Tyrone game yesterday? Can't find it anywhere.
Quote from: Asal Mor on August 04, 2013, 07:22:39 AM
Anyone get the result of the Kerry v Tyrone game yesterday? Can't find it anywhere.
Unless you Biff Tannen with his sports almanac that game ain't on until noon today!!!
I hope the poor Kerry lambs can survive the little league rugby leaguers.
Found a link here :
http://www.radiokerry.ie/
Quote from: mick999 on August 04, 2013, 12:15:28 PM
Found a link here :
http://www.radiokerry.ie/
They don't like Tyrone in Kerry...
Not so sweet for Kerry, draw and into extra-time.
Kerry the bastions of pure football and try to play football all the time and that's why Tyrone equalized with practically the last kick ;D
its actually quite funny listening to such biased commentary ..
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 04, 2013, 01:18:20 PM
Not so sweet for Kerry, draw and into extra-time.
You weren't kidding about the commentator having an axe to grind.
You won't catch lovely Connacht and Leinster teams at such unbecoming hatchet jobs tomorrow. The blood's too blue for that stuff.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 04, 2013, 01:24:06 PM
Q101 will do me fine. Tyrone were down to 13 men late in normal time so having 15 again for extra time will be a big help. Wonder if the Kerry vs. Cavan SFC game will now be delayed a bit?
Undoubtedly, sure it's already 1:25pm and extra-time hasn't started.
Unless Radio Kerry are lying!? Perish the thought.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 04, 2013, 01:24:06 PM
Q101 will do me fine. Tyrone were down to 13 men late in normal time so having 15 again for extra time will be a big help. Wonder if the Kerry vs. Cavan SFC game will now be delayed a bit?
Yep back out to 2.15pm
Quote from: mick999 on August 04, 2013, 01:22:39 PM
its actually quite funny listening to such biased commentary ..
Up their own holes, makes KFM's Killian Whelan sound positively neutral..
Kerry 1-11 Tyrone 0-15
Tomas O'Se having a blinder.
Quote from: Syferus on August 04, 2013, 01:36:58 PM
Kerry 1-11 Tyrone 0-15
Tomas O'Se having a blinder.
That would be the Dancer O'Se...
THERE'S A GOD THERE!! WE DESERVED THAT!!
(Kerry save a goal)
Tyrone win. Kerry commentators on suicide watch.
Quote from: Syferus on August 04, 2013, 01:55:10 PM
Tyrone win. Kerry commentators on suicide watch.
;D
Football was not meant to be played like this. Another victory for cynicism...
Quote from: Syferus on August 04, 2013, 01:55:10 PM
Tyrone win. Kerry commentators on suicide watch.
The battle between Mordor and middle earth swings towards the men from the 'Dor. The orcs and ghouls from the north slay the valiant knights in white. Why lord why?????
Yet again Kerry beat by their arch nemesis Tyrone in the latter end of a championship. Am I right in thinking this follows the old provincial draws and that the Munster winners would be paired against the Leinster winners so its now Tyrone v Kildare/Roscommon?
Thought that Tyrone would win this one, but did not think that they would need extra time. Good job that I did not have a bet!!.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 04, 2013, 01:59:11 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 04, 2013, 01:55:10 PM
Tyrone win. Kerry commentators on suicide watch.
The battle between Mordor and middle earth swings towards the men from the 'Dor. The orcs and ghouls from the north slay the valiant knights in white. Why lord why?????
Lol
Was plenty of rugby tackles from the Tyrone minors by the sounds of it. Football lost according to Kerry radio.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 04, 2013, 02:01:49 PM
Yet again Kerry beat by their arch nemesis Tyrone in the latter end of a championship. Am I right in thinking this follows the old provincial draws and that the Munster winners would be paired against the Leinster winners so its now Tyrone v Kildare/Roscommon?
Yes and will harder to tackle the Kildare robots.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 04, 2013, 02:16:45 PM
Was plenty of rugby tackles from the Tyrone minors by the sounds of it. Football lost according to Kerry radio.
The key part of your post ;)
The famine continues for Kerry at minor level. Last All Ireland win in 1994. Hard to understand with all the great players Kerry have produced in the last 20 years. Management at minor level does not appear to be the best.
Hope GAA now put Tyrone minors and seniors on same day. It'd be logical.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 04, 2013, 02:56:51 PM
Hope GAA now put Tyrone minors and seniors on same day. It'd be logical.
Should have won the Ulster then! Unless Mayo win I imagine they will.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 04, 2013, 02:58:53 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 04, 2013, 02:56:51 PM
Hope GAA now put Tyrone minors and seniors on same day. It'd be logical.
Should have won the Ulster then! Unless Mayo win I imagine they will.
We would have only the ref gave Monaghan a ridiculous penalty, they're out to get us ;)
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 04, 2013, 02:58:53 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 04, 2013, 02:56:51 PM
Hope GAA now put Tyrone minors and seniors on same day. It'd be logical.
Should have won the Ulster then! Unless Mayo win I imagine they will.
Would be the logical thing to do but I can't see it. The opposition mightn't be too happy to deviate from the original planned fixture date.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 04, 2013, 03:25:27 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 04, 2013, 02:58:53 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 04, 2013, 02:56:51 PM
Hope GAA now put Tyrone minors and seniors on same day. It'd be logical.
Should have won the Ulster then! Unless Mayo win I imagine they will.
Would be the logical thing to do but I can't see it. The opposition mightn't be too happy to deviate from the original planned fixture date.
Mayo are favoured to win both their AIQFs. That happens and the suggestion is totally moot.
The report on Hogan stand also suggests Tyrone have followed the lead of their seniors. ;)
On a related note how can their centre half be sent of for the third time in four matches and still be on the team. Should he not have faced a ban or get dropped!
Anybody know how much you pay into the games ??
15 Euro into the double bill in Tullamore anyways.
Mayo 0-09 Westmeath 0-06 HT. Good game, Mayo had the wind in the first half.
Mayo 2-13 Westmeath 0-08 FT.
Easy breezy for Mayo in the second half.
Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2013, 03:35:56 PM
Mayo 2-13 Westmeath 2-13 FT.
Easy breezy for Mayo in the second half.
Extra time?
Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2013, 03:35:56 PM
Mayo 2-13 Westmeath 2-13 FT.
Easy breezy for Mayo in the second half.
Doesn't sound like it if it ended up a draw
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 05, 2013, 03:37:08 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2013, 03:35:56 PM
Mayo 2-13 Westmeath 2-13 FT.
Easy breezy for Mayo in the second half.
Extra time?
:-[
Typo! Fixed now, Westies only got 0-08.
Mayo 2-13 Westmeath 0-08 FT. I promise.
Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2013, 03:39:17 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 05, 2013, 03:37:08 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2013, 03:35:56 PM
Mayo 2-13 Westmeath 2-13 FT.
Easy breezy for Mayo in the second half.
Extra time?
:-[
Typo! Fixed now, Westies only got 0-08.
Silly Syferus, imagine getting something wrong ;D
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 05, 2013, 03:42:11 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2013, 03:39:17 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 05, 2013, 03:37:08 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2013, 03:35:56 PM
Mayo 2-13 Westmeath 2-13 FT.
Easy breezy for Mayo in the second half.
Extra time?
:-[
Typo! Fixed now, Westies only got 0-08.
Silly Syferus, imagine getting something wrong ;D
Not happening much this year so I guess it must be going to my head ;)
Roscommon 3-02 Kildare 0-06 HT.
Ros playing great but now down to 14. Mooney having a mare with the whistle.
Congrats to the Rossies, sounds like the better team won. Our failure to settle and perform sounds more disappointing than the actual result.
Well done Roscommon. It never looked like happening for Kildare today from the first whistle. Worst hour I've seen them put in. It's very disappointing but that can happen to minor teams.
So that's Tyrone vs Roscommon and Monaghan vs Mayo now?
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 05, 2013, 05:22:48 PM
Well done Roscommon. It never looked like happening for Kildare today from the first whistle. Worst hour I've seen them put in. It's very disappointing but that can happen to minor teams.
happens to you at all levels DH. Root and branch required.
Absolutely mighty. So many heroes today. Delighted, nothing like winning a big championship game. Now let's do it again.
Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2013, 05:31:52 PM
Absolutely mighty. So many heroes today. Delighted, nothing like winning a big championship game. Now let's do it again.
let us know when you win an ould senior game
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 05, 2013, 05:22:48 PM
Well done Roscommon. It never looked like happening for Kildare today from the first whistle. Worst hour I've seen them put in. It's very disappointing but that can happen to minor teams.
Hard luck DH. Always like to see Kildare succeed but today was the exception!
Some aimless ball by Kildare, some great perceptive play by Roscommon. The adage about goals was true to our detriment in the Connacht final but it fell in our favour today. Some very well-worked goals and points by our young men today.
To close it out with 14 men for 35 minutes only makes it sweeter. Drew the second half a man down.
Well done to our lads superb win. Wanted it more defended better & as they say goals wins games. Once again Connacht underage football has shown its strength again, why we were written off before this game never made sense. Hard luck Kildare good u-16s coming through should provide more minor success.
Well done Roscommon, well coached and tactically spot on and we didn't know how to respond. Neary, Harney and the superb Murtagh took the fight to Kildare.
Our lack of a contest in Leinster showed today as we just didn't know how to chase a game.
Your semi-final against Tyrone will be interesting, don't think Tim Moynihan and the boys on Kerry Radio will be tuning in.
Anyhow O'Connor Park is a graveyard for Kildare but a first Leinster in 22 years is a great achievement.
Well done to monaghan. Lucky enough to be just trailin by a point at half time but picked off some excellent long range points after the break. Tipp had a goalmouth scramble for a goal to draw it near the end but monaghan held out.
Roscommon were nice odds at 4/1.
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 05, 2013, 07:46:23 PM
Roscommon were nice odds at 4/1.
It was flagged on this thread, hope someone made money from it.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 05, 2013, 07:52:45 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 05, 2013, 07:46:23 PM
Roscommon were nice odds at 4/1.
It was flagged on this thread, hope someone made money from it.
Very rare to see odds like that for a Minor Quarter final.
Minors are fixed for 25th V Monaghan prior to senior game.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 05, 2013, 05:37:44 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2013, 05:31:52 PM
Absolutely mighty. So many heroes today. Delighted, nothing like winning a big championship game. Now let's do it again.
let us know when you win an ould senior game
Bit below the belt for for you Indiana. I normally concur with most of your posts as they are intelligent but pragmatic. Love the current Dub template under Gavin but love Mayo (God forgive me more).
The Rossies have punched well above their (numerical) weight at underage level these last few seasons. Doing everything right. Senior success will eventually come through as a direct consequence.
Bit unfair of you to deride a heroic 14 man minor win v a fancied Kildare side today. You have population & resources that the rest of us only can dream off.
PS genuinely not picking a fight.... really do respect your posts.... but take umbrage to this one.
Anyhow well done to the Rossie minors and in particular to Fergie O'Donnell. Still flying the flag and punching above our weight. Dividends at senior level will eventually be delivered.
Quote from: ross matt on August 05, 2013, 08:40:47 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 05, 2013, 05:37:44 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2013, 05:31:52 PM
Absolutely mighty. So many heroes today. Delighted, nothing like winning a big championship game. Now let's do it again.
let us know when you win an ould senior game
Bit below the belt for for you Indiana. I normally concur with most of your posts as they are intelligent but pragmatic. Love the current Dub template under Gavin but love Mayo (God forgive me more).
The Rossies have punched well above their (numerical) weight at underage level these last few seasons. Doing everything right. Senior success will eventually come through as a direct consequence.
Bit unfair of you to deride a heroic 14 man minor win v a fancied Kildare side today. You have population & resources that the rest of us only can dream off.
PS genuinely not picking a fight.... really do respect your posts.... but take umbrage to this one.
I don't see it impacting the senior team a whole lot. Same players from a few years back are still the key players today.
You're in danger of becoming like Galway at underage. You can get married to the whole idea of winning underage titles thing very quickly and in my opinion you are.
I'm not trying to pick a fight either but there has been little or no impact at senior level yet which would make me question where all the resources go.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 05, 2013, 08:57:56 PM
Quote from: ross matt on August 05, 2013, 08:40:47 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 05, 2013, 05:37:44 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2013, 05:31:52 PM
Absolutely mighty. So many heroes today. Delighted, nothing like winning a big championship game. Now let's do it again.
let us know when you win an ould senior game
Bit below the belt for for you Indiana. I normally concur with most of your posts as they are intelligent but pragmatic. Love the current Dub template under Gavin but love Mayo (God forgive me more).
The Rossies have punched well above their (numerical) weight at underage level these last few seasons. Doing everything right. Senior success will eventually come through as a direct consequence.
Bit unfair of you to deride a heroic 14 man minor win v a fancied Kildare side today. You have population & resources that the rest of us only can dream off.
PS genuinely not picking a fight.... really do respect your posts.... but take umbrage to this one.
I don't see it impacting the senior team a whole lot. Same players from a few years back are still the key players today.
You're in danger of becoming like Galway at underage. You can get married to the whole idea of winning underage titles thing very quickly and in my opinion you are.
I'm not trying to pick a fight either but there has been little or no impact at senior level yet which would make me question where all the resources go.
The most laughable idea surrounding underage is this idea that there is a retarding effect by targetting underage success. If there is a magical way to develop players better by not giving a damn about the result of the games I've yet to see it applied.
Very few counties, even the money bag ones, have succeeded recently without some discerns le underage success. Even Donegal had a good bunch of U21s that reached an AI final to infuse into a talented if under-performing senior team.
Kerry are the exception but they are getting worried about the continued failure of their underage teams and in recent years have started to try and target success at underage. It's pretty clear the delay in doing so has contributed to the situation that finds young Kerry players unable to get a game ahead of mid-30s veterans, they've created a skill gap between the generations and where the younger players are going to end up being given the jersey because the stalwarts retired rather than them earning it from them. That's a symptom of problems with player development.
The Galway comparison is lazy and there are many different factors between the two counties but I'm sick of retreading this ground. Later maybe.
Indiana we haven't won nearly as many underage titles as Galway but have competed very well at underage level in recent times. I agree with you that the knock on effect at senior level has yet to be seen but I still maintain underage success/competitiveness is key to altering this. Plus what we see as underage progress and you see as they same are very different.
Didn't travel but not surprised by that scoreline. I think/hope we will look back in a couple of years as a major opportunity to win something lost. Similar to the u21s in 2010. Well done Mayo, hell of a weekend for ye.
It was a good day to be a Rossie in Tullamore today. ;D ;D
As usual a large crowd of us turned up and boy were we smiling at the end of it.
Fergal certainly got his buckeens right for this one as we more than made up for the things we did wrong in the Connacht final - we scored the early goals, we were on the front foot all the time, the ball was sent forward intelligantly and with pace and our defence which was so leaky previously was superb today.
A real throwback to 2006.
Kildare were probably shell shocked by our start and maybe believed some of the hype and felt they only had to turn up to win it.
Ref was a card happy fusspot who did us no favours but what the hell.
All our scores came from play too.
Need to be scoring the place kicks next time out lads.
All Ireland between Tyrone and Mayowr I expect. :-\
Brave effort by Tipp in Longford today. If that ball that hit the crossbar late in the second half had found the net we might well have won, but we just did not have the scoring power in the forwards that we had for the last 2 years. Full credit to the team for coming so near to reaching an All Ireland semi final. Best of luck to Monaghan for the rest of the campaign. On another note I see that Kerry manager Mickey Ned is giving out about Tyrone's win yesterday. No suprise in that as he really is a very bad loser.
Quote from: Onlooker on August 05, 2013, 10:16:19 PM
Brave effort by Tipp in Longford today. If that ball that hit the crossbar late in the second half had found the net we might well have won, but we just did not have the scoring power in the forwards that we had for the last 2 years. Full credit to the team for coming so near to reaching an All Ireland semi final. Best of luck to Monaghan for the rest of the campaign. On another note I see that Kerry manager Mickey Ned is giving out about Tyrone's win yesterday. No suprise in that as he really is a very bad loser.
If it means they'll be pinged for dirty play more we could reap the rewards from Kerry's toil. Need to be cute the next day and be ready for the niggling and off-the-ball stuff.
Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2013, 10:29:40 PM
Quote from: Onlooker on August 05, 2013, 10:16:19 PM
Brave effort by Tipp in Longford today. If that ball that hit the crossbar late in the second half had found the net we might well have won, but we just did not have the scoring power in the forwards that we had for the last 2 years. Full credit to the team for coming so near to reaching an All Ireland semi final. Best of luck to Monaghan for the rest of the campaign. On another note I see that Kerry manager Mickey Ned is giving out about Tyrone's win yesterday. No suprise in that as he really is a very bad loser.
If it means they'll be pinged for dirty play more we could reap the rewards from Kerry's toil. Need to be cute the next day and be ready for the niggling and off-the-ball stuff.
Tyrone stereotype at the end there.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 05, 2013, 10:49:30 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2013, 10:29:40 PM
Quote from: Onlooker on August 05, 2013, 10:16:19 PM
Brave effort by Tipp in Longford today. If that ball that hit the crossbar late in the second half had found the net we might well have won, but we just did not have the scoring power in the forwards that we had for the last 2 years. Full credit to the team for coming so near to reaching an All Ireland semi final. Best of luck to Monaghan for the rest of the campaign. On another note I see that Kerry manager Mickey Ned is giving out about Tyrone's win yesterday. No suprise in that as he really is a very bad loser.
If it means they'll be pinged for dirty play more we could reap the rewards from Kerry's toil. Need to be cute the next day and be ready for the niggling and off-the-ball stuff.
Tyrone stereotype at the end there.
It's a true stereotype. Every team tries it but few are as effective at it as Tyrone. I actually admire the forensic approach Mickey has brought to football, and obviously that's leaked into minor both in Tyrone and elsewhere.
On a purely Roscommon level Mickey Ned and Brolly attacking Tyrone at both tiers means the atmosphere referees will be operating in the semi-finals is going to be different. If that means Tyrone get pinged on an infringement that may have been ignored before it can only be good for us.
It's less a referee being against Tyrone and more them applying the rules that are already there more diligently.
Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2013, 09:09:17 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 05, 2013, 08:57:56 PM
Quote from: ross matt on August 05, 2013, 08:40:47 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 05, 2013, 05:37:44 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2013, 05:31:52 PM
Absolutely mighty. So many heroes today. Delighted, nothing like winning a big championship game. Now let's do it again.
let us know when you win an ould senior game
Bit below the belt for for you Indiana. I normally concur with most of your posts as they are intelligent but pragmatic. Love the current Dub template under Gavin but love Mayo (God forgive me more).
The Rossies have punched well above their (numerical) weight at underage level these last few seasons. Doing everything right. Senior success will eventually come through as a direct consequence.
Bit unfair of you to deride a heroic 14 man minor win v a fancied Kildare side today. You have population & resources that the rest of us only can dream off.
PS genuinely not picking a fight.... really do respect your posts.... but take umbrage to this one.
I don't see it impacting the senior team a whole lot. Same players from a few years back are still the key players today.
You're in danger of becoming like Galway at underage. You can get married to the whole idea of winning underage titles thing very quickly and in my opinion you are.
I'm not trying to pick a fight either but there has been little or no impact at senior level yet which would make me question where all the resources go.
The most laughable idea surrounding underage is this idea that there is a retarding effect by targetting underage success. If there is a magical way to develop players better by not giving a damn about the result of the games I've yet to see it applied.
Very few counties, even the money bag ones, have succeeded recently without some discerns le underage success. Even Donegal had a good bunch of U21s that reached an AI final to infuse into a talented if under-performing senior team.
Kerry are the exception but they are getting worried about the continued failure of their underage teams and in recent years have started to try and target success at underage. It's pretty clear the delay in doing so has contributed to the situation that finds young Kerry players unable to get a game ahead of mid-30s veterans, they've created a skill gap between the generations and where the younger players are going to end up being given the jersey because the stalwarts retired rather than them earning it from them. That's a symptom of problems with player development.
The Galway comparison is lazy and there are many different factors between the two counties but I'm sick of retreading this ground. Later maybe.
Nothing lazy about it. I'm from a county whose development systems you've largely copied at this stage. So I'm pretty well versed in the ins and outs of them.
All those minor hurling and u21 all-irelands have yielded nada for Galway at senior level. Its not a guarantee. We've only won 1 all-ireland senior title despite being strong at minor and u21 level since 2000 at football.
The danger is the senior team become a sideshow to the underage teams. I've seen it at hurling in dublin for example. where it definitely was the case for a couple of years.
I'll be honest and say I thought the Roscommon senior team this year against Mayo was very poor from a county that is now very well respected at underage level.
Even basic conditioning looked poor. If the underage systems are as good as you say they are then how come you're languishing in Div 3.
I could level the same at Cavan but the difference is Cavan went out in the championship and did the business.
Quote from: ballinaman on August 05, 2013, 08:39:31 PM
Minors are fixed for 25th V Monaghan prior to senior game.
Nice one!
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 05, 2013, 11:40:16 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 05, 2013, 08:39:31 PM
Minors are fixed for 25th V Monaghan prior to senior game.
Nice one!
Was always going to be that one Bunker, the minor/senior provincial bracketing is the same each year.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 05, 2013, 11:37:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2013, 09:09:17 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 05, 2013, 08:57:56 PM
Quote from: ross matt on August 05, 2013, 08:40:47 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 05, 2013, 05:37:44 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2013, 05:31:52 PM
Absolutely mighty. So many heroes today. Delighted, nothing like winning a big championship game. Now let's do it again.
let us know when you win an ould senior game
Bit below the belt for for you Indiana. I normally concur with most of your posts as they are intelligent but pragmatic. Love the current Dub template under Gavin but love Mayo (God forgive me more).
The Rossies have punched well above their (numerical) weight at underage level these last few seasons. Doing everything right. Senior success will eventually come through as a direct consequence.
Bit unfair of you to deride a heroic 14 man minor win v a fancied Kildare side today. You have population & resources that the rest of us only can dream off.
PS genuinely not picking a fight.... really do respect your posts.... but take umbrage to this one.
I don't see it impacting the senior team a whole lot. Same players from a few years back are still the key players today.
You're in danger of becoming like Galway at underage. You can get married to the whole idea of winning underage titles thing very quickly and in my opinion you are.
I'm not trying to pick a fight either but there has been little or no impact at senior level yet which would make me question where all the resources go.
The most laughable idea surrounding underage is this idea that there is a retarding effect by targetting underage success. If there is a magical way to develop players better by not giving a damn about the result of the games I've yet to see it applied.
Very few counties, even the money bag ones, have succeeded recently without some discerns le underage success. Even Donegal had a good bunch of U21s that reached an AI final to infuse into a talented if under-performing senior team.
Kerry are the exception but they are getting worried about the continued failure of their underage teams and in recent years have started to try and target success at underage. It's pretty clear the delay in doing so has contributed to the situation that finds young Kerry players unable to get a game ahead of mid-30s veterans, they've created a skill gap between the generations and where the younger players are going to end up being given the jersey because the stalwarts retired rather than them earning it from them. That's a symptom of problems with player development.
The Galway comparison is lazy and there are many different factors between the two counties but I'm sick of retreading this ground. Later maybe.
Nothing lazy about it. I'm from a county whose development systems you've largely copied at this stage. So I'm pretty well versed in the ins and outs of them.
All those minor hurling and u21 all-irelands have yielded nada for Galway at senior level. Its not a guarantee. We've only won 1 all-ireland senior title despite being strong at minor and u21 level since 2000 at football.
The danger is the senior team become a sideshow to the underage teams. I've seen it at hurling in dublin for example. where it definitely was the case for a couple of years.
I'll be honest and say I thought the Roscommon senior team this year against Mayo was very poor from a county that is now very well respected at underage level.
Even basic conditioning looked poor. If the underage systems are as good as you say they are then how come you're languishing in Div 3.
I could level the same at Cavan but the difference is Cavan went out in the championship and did the business.
So much wrong with the above but for now - Cavan got an incredibly favourable draw apart from a clearly somewhat over-rated Derry team.
They got into a groove of regular games while we waited on our hands playing challenge matches for ten weeks after beating (guess who) Cavan by ten to end the league and then another eight weeks to a match against the league finalists. The two teams we played are two of the top three on the year and will contest one of this year's AISFs.
We'd have been in much the same position as Cavan if we had their draw and if Cavan had ours I have little doubt they'd have flamed out in two games as well. Cavan have got confidence from a championship run but it's foolish to think they're a shining example of where we should be.
Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2013, 11:57:29 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 05, 2013, 11:37:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2013, 09:09:17 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 05, 2013, 08:57:56 PM
Quote from: ross matt on August 05, 2013, 08:40:47 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 05, 2013, 05:37:44 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2013, 05:31:52 PM
Absolutely mighty. So many heroes today. Delighted, nothing like winning a big championship game. Now let's do it again.
let us know when you win an ould senior game
Bit below the belt for for you Indiana. I normally concur with most of your posts as they are intelligent but pragmatic. Love the current Dub template under Gavin but love Mayo (God forgive me more).
The Rossies have punched well above their (numerical) weight at underage level these last few seasons. Doing everything right. Senior success will eventually come through as a direct consequence.
Bit unfair of you to deride a heroic 14 man minor win v a fancied Kildare side today. You have population & resources that the rest of us only can dream off.
PS genuinely not picking a fight.... really do respect your posts.... but take umbrage to this one.
I don't see it impacting the senior team a whole lot. Same players from a few years back are still the key players today.
You're in danger of becoming like Galway at underage. You can get married to the whole idea of winning underage titles thing very quickly and in my opinion you are.
I'm not trying to pick a fight either but there has been little or no impact at senior level yet which would make me question where all the resources go.
The most laughable idea surrounding underage is this idea that there is a retarding effect by targetting underage success. If there is a magical way to develop players better by not giving a damn about the result of the games I've yet to see it applied.
Very few counties, even the money bag ones, have succeeded recently without some discerns le underage success. Even Donegal had a good bunch of U21s that reached an AI final to infuse into a talented if under-performing senior team.
Kerry are the exception but they are getting worried about the continued failure of their underage teams and in recent years have started to try and target success at underage. It's pretty clear the delay in doing so has contributed to the situation that finds young Kerry players unable to get a game ahead of mid-30s veterans, they've created a skill gap between the generations and where the younger players are going to end up being given the jersey because the stalwarts retired rather than them earning it from them. That's a symptom of problems with player development.
The Galway comparison is lazy and there are many different factors between the two counties but I'm sick of retreading this ground. Later maybe.
Nothing lazy about it. I'm from a county whose development systems you've largely copied at this stage. So I'm pretty well versed in the ins and outs of them.
All those minor hurling and u21 all-irelands have yielded nada for Galway at senior level. Its not a guarantee. We've only won 1 all-ireland senior title despite being strong at minor and u21 level since 2000 at football.
The danger is the senior team become a sideshow to the underage teams. I've seen it at hurling in dublin for example. where it definitely was the case for a couple of years.
I'll be honest and say I thought the Roscommon senior team this year against Mayo was very poor from a county that is now very well respected at underage level.
Even basic conditioning looked poor. If the underage systems are as good as you say they are then how come you're languishing in Div 3.
I could level the same at Cavan but the difference is Cavan went out in the championship and did the business.
So much wrong with the above but for now - Cavan got an incredibly favourable draw apart from a clearly somewhat over-rated Derry team.
They got into a groove of regular games while we waited on our hands playing challenge matches for ten weeks after beating (guess who) Cavan by ten to end the league and then another eight weeks to a match against the league finalists. The two teams we played are two of the top three on the year and will contest one of this year's AISFs.
We'd have been in much the same position as Cavan if we had their draw and if Cavan had ours I have little doubt they'd have flamed out in two games as well. Cavan have got confidence from a championship run but it's foolish to think they're a shining example of where we should be.
Couldn't agree but there you are. I'm not going tp push the issue.
If you don't do something at senior level soon - won't matter what you're doing at underage.
Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2013, 11:57:29 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 05, 2013, 11:37:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2013, 09:09:17 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 05, 2013, 08:57:56 PM
Quote from: ross matt on August 05, 2013, 08:40:47 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 05, 2013, 05:37:44 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2013, 05:31:52 PM
Absolutely mighty. So many heroes today. Delighted, nothing like winning a big championship game. Now let's do it again.
let us know when you win an ould senior game
Bit below the belt for for you Indiana. I normally concur with most of your posts as they are intelligent but pragmatic. Love the current Dub template under Gavin but love Mayo (God forgive me more).
The Rossies have punched well above their (numerical) weight at underage level these last few seasons. Doing everything right. Senior success will eventually come through as a direct consequence.
Bit unfair of you to deride a heroic 14 man minor win v a fancied Kildare side today. You have population & resources that the rest of us only can dream off.
PS genuinely not picking a fight.... really do respect your posts.... but take umbrage to this one.
I don't see it impacting the senior team a whole lot. Same players from a few years back are still the key players today.
You're in danger of becoming like Galway at underage. You can get married to the whole idea of winning underage titles thing very quickly and in my opinion you are.
I'm not trying to pick a fight either but there has been little or no impact at senior level yet which would make me question where all the resources go.
The most laughable idea surrounding underage is this idea that there is a retarding effect by targetting underage success. If there is a magical way to develop players better by not giving a damn about the result of the games I've yet to see it applied.
Very few counties, even the money bag ones, have succeeded recently without some discerns le underage success. Even Donegal had a good bunch of U21s that reached an AI final to infuse into a talented if under-performing senior team.
Kerry are the exception but they are getting worried about the continued failure of their underage teams and in recent years have started to try and target success at underage. It's pretty clear the delay in doing so has contributed to the situation that finds young Kerry players unable to get a game ahead of mid-30s veterans, they've created a skill gap between the generations and where the younger players are going to end up being given the jersey because the stalwarts retired rather than them earning it from them. That's a symptom of problems with player development.
The Galway comparison is lazy and there are many different factors between the two counties but I'm sick of retreading this ground. Later maybe.
Nothing lazy about it. I'm from a county whose development systems you've largely copied at this stage. So I'm pretty well versed in the ins and outs of them.
All those minor hurling and u21 all-irelands have yielded nada for Galway at senior level. Its not a guarantee. We've only won 1 all-ireland senior title despite being strong at minor and u21 level since 2000 at football.
The danger is the senior team become a sideshow to the underage teams. I've seen it at hurling in dublin for example. where it definitely was the case for a couple of years.
I'll be honest and say I thought the Roscommon senior team this year against Mayo was very poor from a county that is now very well respected at underage level.
Even basic conditioning looked poor. If the underage systems are as good as you say they are then how come you're languishing in Div 3.
I could level the same at Cavan but the difference is Cavan went out in the championship and did the business.
So much wrong with the above but for now - Cavan got an incredibly favourable draw apart from a clearly somewhat over-rated Derry team.
They got into a groove of regular games while we waited on our hands playing challenge matches for ten weeks after beating (guess who) Cavan by ten to end the league and then another eight weeks to a match against the league finalists. The two teams we played are two of the top three on the year and will contest one of this year's AISFs.
We'd have been in much the same position as Cavan if we had their draw and if Cavan had ours I have little doubt they'd have flamed out in two games as well. Cavan have got confidence from a championship run but it's foolish to think they're a shining example of where we should be.
You beat a 2nd string Cavan outfit whom had been on an organised session in Athlone on the Thursday night (as they were just finishing their hard pre championship training).
The only one of our championship opponents this year that i could say for sure that you would beat are London. You talk some amount of dung. Anyway i'm delighted for the likes of ross matt and Ross fan on their victory today. Hopefully they can go on and win it now.
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Absolutely mighty. So many heroes today. Delighted, nothing like winning a big championship game. Now let's do it again.
let us know when you win an ould senior game
Bit below the belt for for you Indiana. I normally concur with most of your posts as they are intelligent but pragmatic. Love the current Dub template under Gavin but love Mayo (God forgive me more).
The Rossies have punched well above their (numerical) weight at underage level these last few seasons. Doing everything right. Senior success will eventually come through as a direct consequence.
Bit unfair of you to deride a heroic 14 man minor win v a fancied Kildare side today. You have population & resources that the rest of us only can dream off.
PS genuinely not picking a fight.... really do respect your posts.... but take umbrage to this one.
I don't see it impacting the senior team a whole lot. Same players from a few years back are still the key players today.
You're in danger of becoming like Galway at underage. You can get married to the whole idea of winning underage titles thing very quickly and in my opinion you are.
I'm not trying to pick a fight either but there has been little or no impact at senior level yet which would make me question where all the resources go.
The most laughable idea surrounding underage is this idea that there is a retarding effect by targetting underage success. If there is a magical way to develop players better by not giving a damn about the result of the games I've yet to see it applied.
Very few counties, even the money bag ones, have succeeded recently without some discerns le underage success. Even Donegal had a good bunch of U21s that reached an AI final to infuse into a talented if under-performing senior team.
Kerry are the exception but they are getting worried about the continued failure of their underage teams and in recent years have started to try and target success at underage. It's pretty clear the delay in doing so has contributed to the situation that finds young Kerry players unable to get a game ahead of mid-30s veterans, they've created a skill gap between the generations and where the younger players are going to end up being given the jersey because the stalwarts retired rather than them earning it from them. That's a symptom of problems with player development.
The Galway comparison is lazy and there are many different factors between the two counties but I'm sick of retreading this ground. Later maybe.
Nothing lazy about it. I'm from a county whose development systems you've largely copied at this stage. So I'm pretty well versed in the ins and outs of them.
All those minor hurling and u21 all-irelands have yielded nada for Galway at senior level. Its not a guarantee. We've only won 1 all-ireland senior title despite being strong at minor and u21 level since 2000 at football.
The danger is the senior team become a sideshow to the underage teams. I've seen it at hurling in dublin for example. where it definitely was the case for a couple of years.
I'll be honest and say I thought the Roscommon senior team this year against Mayo was very poor from a county that is now very well respected at underage level.
Even basic conditioning looked poor. If the underage systems are as good as you say they are then how come you're languishing in Div 3.
I could level the same at Cavan but the difference is Cavan went out in the championship and did the business.
So much wrong with the above but for now - Cavan got an incredibly favourable draw apart from a clearly somewhat over-rated Derry team.
They got into a groove of regular games while we waited on our hands playing challenge matches for ten weeks after beating (guess who) Cavan by ten to end the league and then another eight weeks to a match against the league finalists. The two teams we played are two of the top three on the year and will contest one of this year's AISFs.
We'd have been in much the same position as Cavan if we had their draw and if Cavan had ours I have little doubt they'd have flamed out in two games as well. Cavan have got confidence from a championship run but it's foolish to think they're a shining example of where we should be.
You beat a 2nd string Cavan outfit whom had been on an organised session in Athlone on the Thursday night (as they were just finishing their hard pre championship training).
The only one of our championship opponents this year that i could say for sure that you would beat are London. You talk some amount of dung. Anyway i'm delighted for the likes of ross matt and Ross fan on their victory today. Hopefully they can go on and win it now.
That's verging on little man complex. The usual internet forum tactic of attacking the poster rather than the point is also in full force, cute.
The two teams are nearly identical in their recent form - we made an AIQFs only a few years ago - and where exactly is Cavan's provincial crown? If you want to be brutal we have more to show for our underage success than Cavan do right now.
All I said was that both teams are in the same space. They are and any objective look at the situation would tell you that much.
This is not the place to continue this discussion. Set up a D3 2014 thread. That is unless Cavan have got a bye to D2 for their championship exploits?
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Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2013, 05:31:52 PM
Absolutely mighty. So many heroes today. Delighted, nothing like winning a big championship game. Now let's do it again.
let us know when you win an ould senior game
Bit below the belt for for you Indiana. I normally concur with most of your posts as they are intelligent but pragmatic. Love the current Dub template under Gavin but love Mayo (God forgive me more).
The Rossies have punched well above their (numerical) weight at underage level these last few seasons. Doing everything right. Senior success will eventually come through as a direct consequence.
Bit unfair of you to deride a heroic 14 man minor win v a fancied Kildare side today. You have population & resources that the rest of us only can dream off.
PS genuinely not picking a fight.... really do respect your posts.... but take umbrage to this one.
I don't see it impacting the senior team a whole lot. Same players from a few years back are still the key players today.
You're in danger of becoming like Galway at underage. You can get married to the whole idea of winning underage titles thing very quickly and in my opinion you are.
I'm not trying to pick a fight either but there has been little or no impact at senior level yet which would make me question where all the resources go.
The most laughable idea surrounding underage is this idea that there is a retarding effect by targetting underage success. If there is a magical way to develop players better by not giving a damn about the result of the games I've yet to see it applied.
Very few counties, even the money bag ones, have succeeded recently without some discerns le underage success. Even Donegal had a good bunch of U21s that reached an AI final to infuse into a talented if under-performing senior team.
Kerry are the exception but they are getting worried about the continued failure of their underage teams and in recent years have started to try and target success at underage. It's pretty clear the delay in doing so has contributed to the situation that finds young Kerry players unable to get a game ahead of mid-30s veterans, they've created a skill gap between the generations and where the younger players are going to end up being given the jersey because the stalwarts retired rather than them earning it from them. That's a symptom of problems with player development.
The Galway comparison is lazy and there are many different factors between the two counties but I'm sick of retreading this ground. Later maybe.
Nothing lazy about it. I'm from a county whose development systems you've largely copied at this stage. So I'm pretty well versed in the ins and outs of them.
All those minor hurling and u21 all-irelands have yielded nada for Galway at senior level. Its not a guarantee. We've only won 1 all-ireland senior title despite being strong at minor and u21 level since 2000 at football.
The danger is the senior team become a sideshow to the underage teams. I've seen it at hurling in dublin for example. where it definitely was the case for a couple of years.
I'll be honest and say I thought the Roscommon senior team this year against Mayo was very poor from a county that is now very well respected at underage level.
Even basic conditioning looked poor. If the underage systems are as good as you say they are then how come you're languishing in Div 3.
I could level the same at Cavan but the difference is Cavan went out in the championship and did the business.
So much wrong with the above but for now - Cavan got an incredibly favourable draw apart from a clearly somewhat over-rated Derry team.
They got into a groove of regular games while we waited on our hands playing challenge matches for ten weeks after beating (guess who) Cavan by ten to end the league and then another eight weeks to a match against the league finalists. The two teams we played are two of the top three on the year and will contest one of this year's AISFs.
We'd have been in much the same position as Cavan if we had their draw and if Cavan had ours I have little doubt they'd have flamed out in two games as well. Cavan have got confidence from a championship run but it's foolish to think they're a shining example of where we should be.
You beat a 2nd string Cavan outfit whom had been on an organised session in Athlone on the Thursday night (as they were just finishing their hard pre championship training).
The only one of our championship opponents this year that i could say for sure that you would beat are London. You talk some amount of dung. Anyway i'm delighted for the likes of ross matt and Ross fan on their victory today. Hopefully they can go on and win it now.
That's verging on little man complex. The usual internet forum tactic of attacking the poster rather than the point is also in full force, cute.
The two teams are nearly identical in their recent form - we made an AIQFs only a few years ago - and where exactly is Cavan's provincial crown? If you want to be brutal we have more to show for our underage success than Cavan do right now.
All I said was that both teams are in the same space. They are and any objective look at the situation would tell you that much.
This is not the place to continue this discussion. Set up a D3 2014 thread. That is unless Cavan have got a bye to D2 for their championship exploits?
Listen i'm not going to get into an argument with you over this and start throwing insults all over the shop and derail the thread and i don't claim to know Roscommon football like the natives but i feel Indiana is correct in his assertion. Very little came from that Roscommon minor winning team of 2006, a couple of senior quarter finals appearances and a few round 4 qualifying exits should not be considered successful for such a proud and obsessed footballing county with a talented young bunch available to them.
I would be very disappointed if a quarter final, was the furthest this group of Cavan players would get to,during their IC careers.
It is too early however to make a judgement on the Connacht under 21 winners of 2010,2011 and minor winners of 2011,2012,but certainly Roscommon should be making a move next year and anything less than say a last 12 spot should be considered a dissapointment. Now back to the minors
INDIANA moving on from the sly digs at Syferus I'm sure you would agree for county of our size and pick with little or no money it's a fine achievement to win anything at any level & like said on this thread in page 2 underage success is no guarantee of senior success continued failure at under age practically guarantees failure at senior level.
Thanks to the huge work at underage level we have the best talent available to us for over a decade, our target is to get out of div 3 then take it from there if in say five years we are still in div 3 and no Connacht title won then no doubt in my mind we'll have underachieved.
Quote from: ross4life on August 06, 2013, 01:20:25 AM
INDIANA moving on from the sly digs at Syferus I'm sure you would agree for county of our size and pick with little or no money it's a fine achievement to win anything at any level & like said on this thread in page 2 underage success is no guarantee of senior success continued failure at under age practically guarantees failure at senior level.
Thanks to the huge work at underage level we have the best talent available to us for over a decade, our target is to get out of div 3 then take it from there if in say five years we are still in div 3 and no Connacht title won then no doubt in my mind we'll have underachieved.
Wasn't meant to be a sly dig. I think I phrased it wrong. I think you've done remarkably well at underage level but you should be seeing something now at senior level. Otherwise all the work goes to waste.
I was in Longford for the Monaghan - Tipp semi final. A good tight game with Monaghan's substitions shading it against a good Tipp team. The Monaghan management recongnised they ahve problemns win defence and especially midfield but after yesterday's performance, that is still an issue. The return of Cremartin's Mark Magee from long term injury is a huge boost as his physicality, fielding and mobility and experience (full back on last year's team) is badly needed in the middle of the pitch. Dessie Ward and Mickey Murnaghan, worked hard but neither are midfielders at this level. Defensively Mervyn Brown helped tigthen the half back line up, though the corner back positions are still a problem. Full back Kevin Loughran must feel like he's fighting the battle on his own back there. Up front yesterday, the ball going into the Monaghan forward was very poor, with passes balloning wildly into the air, especially in the first half. The McCarthy/McMahon axis which has proved so deadly for Monaghan had a meagre supply to work off, but when decent ball was supplied in the second half they again delivered.
For the Mayo semi final - the Monaghan mangement will need to start Magee as for the third straight game they've been wiped out of it in the middle of the pitch. Against Mayo that wouldn't be good enough and they can't reply on the forwards to simply rack up a huge tallies like they did in Ulster to cover up deficienes in midfield and defence.
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Quote from: ross4life on August 06, 2013, 01:20:25 AM
INDIANA moving on from the sly digs at Syferus I'm sure you would agree for county of our size and pick with little or no money it's a fine achievement to win anything at any level & like said on this thread in page 2 underage success is no guarantee of senior success continued failure at under age practically guarantees failure at senior level.
Thanks to the huge work at underage level we have the best talent available to us for over a decade, our target is to get out of div 3 then take it from there if in say five years we are still in div 3 and no Connacht title won then no doubt in my mind we'll have underachieved.
Wasn't meant to be a sly dig. I think I phrased it wrong. I think you've done remarkably well at underage level but you should be seeing something now at senior level. Otherwise all the work goes to waste.
Indiana, instead of been so aggressive and negative can you offer constructive criticism as to why you believe Roscommon aren't bridging the gap from under-age success to senior. There's a clear defined pathway for players but sometimes I believe history and culture (obviously speaking from experience here) is as much a barrier as just not having good footballers. Roscommon are mentally dwarfed by Mayo and Galway same way Kildare mentally freeze at senior level against Dublin.
Losing Fergal O'Donnell as senior manager has not helped imho, contrasting Kildare and Roscommon yesterday it was easy to see which side was the better managed. At senior I think O'Donnell could really have created a legacy if allowed over 5-10 years, too often now the only barometer of success at senior level is an All-Ireland.
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Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2013, 09:36:24 AM
Quote from: ross4life on August 06, 2013, 01:20:25 AM
INDIANA moving on from the sly digs at Syferus I'm sure you would agree for county of our size and pick with little or no money it's a fine achievement to win anything at any level & like said on this thread in page 2 underage success is no guarantee of senior success continued failure at under age practically guarantees failure at senior level.
Thanks to the huge work at underage level we have the best talent available to us for over a decade, our target is to get out of div 3 then take it from there if in say five years we are still in div 3 and no Connacht title won then no doubt in my mind we'll have underachieved.
Wasn't meant to be a sly dig. I think I phrased it wrong. I think you've done remarkably well at underage level but you should be seeing something now at senior level. Otherwise all the work goes to waste.
Indiana, instead of been so aggressive and negative can you offer constructive criticism as to why you believe Roscommon aren't bridging the gap from under-age success to senior. There's a clear defined pathway for players but sometimes I believe history and culture (obviously speaking from experience here) is as much a barrier as just not having good footballers. Roscommon are mentally dwarfed by Mayo and Galway same way Kildare mentally freeze at senior level against Dublin.
Losing Fergal O'Donnell as senior manager has not helped imho, contrasting Kildare and Roscommon yesterday it was easy to see which side was the better managed. At senior I think O'Donnell could really have created a legacy if allowed over 5-10 years, too often now the only barometer of success at senior level is an All-Ireland.
Ferg rarely disappoints, the teams he's managed love him. The seniors were openly hoping he'd return after he left and trust me, that's about the first time I've ever seen that happen here.
It wasn't a situation where anyone wanted him to leave, the board tried their best to convince him to stay (he'd thought about leaving post-2010 but decided to give it another year) - he has a young family and was thrust into the senior job too early after the Maughan era ended in a near-complete team implosion. He's a very humble guy and most everyone has a soft spot for him. He was the captain in 2001 so almost all our big days over the last decade have had his fingerprints on them in some way. Definitely one of the finest managers we've produced in some time.
After not getting our defence right throughout the league and under-performing in the championship I couldn't not see Fergie (who has the 2011 Connacht-winning manager Ross Shannon and Ballagh's Mayo-winning manager Mark Dowd as selectors, with David Casey who's a selector for our U21s helping out too) and the team drawing out a big performance. Didn't know if it'd it be enough but boy was it ever.
At senior appointing Des last year was a mistake but John Evans has done a very good job steadying the ship this year after a very late appointment. He's likely to get a year or two's extension unless next year is a disaster. After that it'll probably be the turn of one of the underage managers, either Nigel Dineen or maybe a return for Fergie.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 06, 2013, 10:17:03 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2013, 09:36:24 AM
Quote from: ross4life on August 06, 2013, 01:20:25 AM
INDIANA moving on from the sly digs at Syferus I'm sure you would agree for county of our size and pick with little or no money it's a fine achievement to win anything at any level & like said on this thread in page 2 underage success is no guarantee of senior success continued failure at under age practically guarantees failure at senior level.
Thanks to the huge work at underage level we have the best talent available to us for over a decade, our target is to get out of div 3 then take it from there if in say five years we are still in div 3 and no Connacht title won then no doubt in my mind we'll have underachieved.
Wasn't meant to be a sly dig. I think I phrased it wrong. I think you've done remarkably well at underage level but you should be seeing something now at senior level. Otherwise all the work goes to waste.
Indiana, instead of been so aggressive and negative can you offer constructive criticism as to why you believe Roscommon aren't bridging the gap from under-age success to senior. There's a clear defined pathway for players but sometimes I believe history and culture (obviously speaking from experience here) is as much a barrier as just not having good footballers. Roscommon are mentally dwarfed by Mayo and Galway same way Kildare mentally freeze at senior level against Dublin.
Losing Fergal O'Donnell as senior manager has not helped imho, contrasting Kildare and Roscommon yesterday it was easy to see which side was the better managed. At senior I think O'Donnell could really have created a legacy if allowed over 5-10 years, too often now the only barometer of success at senior level is an All-Ireland.
I think Kildare are a slightly different case as they've only started. Kildare should be right up there with dublin every year. With the population base, clubs etc. But they've neglected the underage totally until recently.
First point- Club structure is vital to supplement the underage structure. And I think that's where both lose out.
Roscommon are dominated like Armagh by one big club and Kildare don't seem to make any impact at club level in recent years either.
You'll only get 3/4 players off any underage team and probably less off a minor team. Minor is less of an indicator. u21 is better- they're playing against men.
But you'll pick up a few from club level if the structures are good enough. Dublin club football is very strong- unfortunately for the wrong reasons in some cases. But lads like Kilkenny and Costello are from Div 3 clubs. That only augurs well for the strength of club football in Dublin.
The second point and crux however is this.
The underage teams can make the senior team become a sideshow. Its happened in Laois and it was the same in Dublin for a while. This year none of our senior u21 panelists trained with the u21's. And we lost to Longford. But I wouldn't change the fact they didn't train. The senior team is number one and always should be.
I'm not sure it is in every county.
That must be a decent Roscommon team because on the couple of occasions I saw that Kildare team they impressed me
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 06, 2013, 10:17:03 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2013, 09:36:24 AM
Quote from: ross4life on August 06, 2013, 01:20:25 AM
INDIANA moving on from the sly digs at Syferus I'm sure you would agree for county of our size and pick with little or no money it's a fine achievement to win anything at any level & like said on this thread in page 2 underage success is no guarantee of senior success continued failure at under age practically guarantees failure at senior level.
Thanks to the huge work at underage level we have the best talent available to us for over a decade, our target is to get out of div 3 then take it from there if in say five years we are still in div 3 and no Connacht title won then no doubt in my mind we'll have underachieved.
Wasn't meant to be a sly dig. I think I phrased it wrong. I think you've done remarkably well at underage level but you should be seeing something now at senior level. Otherwise all the work goes to waste.
Indiana, instead of been so aggressive and negative can you offer constructive criticism as to why you believe Roscommon aren't bridging the gap from under-age success to senior. There's a clear defined pathway for players but sometimes I believe history and culture (obviously speaking from experience here) is as much a barrier as just not having good footballers. Roscommon are mentally dwarfed by Mayo and Galway same way Kildare mentally freeze at senior level against Dublin.
Losing Fergal O'Donnell as senior manager has not helped imho, contrasting Kildare and Roscommon yesterday it was easy to see which side was the better managed. At senior I think O'Donnell could really have created a legacy if allowed over 5-10 years, too often now the only barometer of success at senior level is an All-Ireland.
I think Kildare are a slightly different case as they've only started. Kildare should be right up there with dublin every year. With the population base, clubs etc. But they've neglected the underage totally until recently.
First point- Club structure is vital to supplement the underage structure. And I think that's where both lose out.
Roscommon are dominated like Armagh by one big club and Kildare don't seem to make any impact at club level in recent years either.
You'll only get 3/4 players off any underage team and probably less off a minor team. Minor is less of an indicator. u21 is better- they're playing against men.
But you'll pick up a few from club level if the structures are good enough. Dublin club football is very strong- unfortunately for the wrong reasons in some cases. But lads like Kilkenny and Costello are from Div 3 clubs. That only augurs well for the strength of club football in Dublin.
The second point and crux however is this.
The underage teams can make the senior team become a sideshow. Its happened in Laois and it was the same in Dublin for a while. This year none of our senior u21 panelists trained with the u21's. And we lost to Longford. But I wouldn't change the fact they didn't train. The senior team is number one and always should be.
I'm not sure it is in every county.
While Brigids dominate senior other clubs have been the ones feeding underage county teams (the only Brigids starter on this minor team is the goalkeeper) and winning underage county titles for years now. With good management Brigids will have plenty of competition at county level in the years ahead.
Outright betting:
Roscommon 15/8
Mayo 2/1
Tyrone 10/3
Monaghan 10/3
Oh dear lordy.
When have we ever, ever been All-Ireland favourites at any grade?
Cue the Tyrone manager fruitlessly trying to pile pressure on us by saying we're the big favourites etc. Keep the heads down and don't listen to a word of it, lads. Don't expect a team under Fergie to believe the hype so this is only an amusing anecdote.
Quote from: Declan on August 06, 2013, 11:02:37 AM
That must be a decent Roscommon team because on the couple of occasions I saw that Kildare team they impressed me
Connacht is very strong at underage again this year by the looks of it. Galway won the minor league in Connacht but lost to Mayo after extra-time after the Galway keeper had a bit of a nightmare under the high ball. No second chance in Connacht either until the final obviously. Mayo are strong, Roscommon are strong. 3 of the 5 or 6 best teams may well have been in Connacht this year
Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2013, 11:00:36 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 06, 2013, 10:17:03 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2013, 09:36:24 AM
Quote from: ross4life on August 06, 2013, 01:20:25 AM
INDIANA moving on from the sly digs at Syferus I'm sure you would agree for county of our size and pick with little or no money it's a fine achievement to win anything at any level & like said on this thread in page 2 underage success is no guarantee of senior success continued failure at under age practically guarantees failure at senior level.
Thanks to the huge work at underage level we have the best talent available to us for over a decade, our target is to get out of div 3 then take it from there if in say five years we are still in div 3 and no Connacht title won then no doubt in my mind we'll have underachieved.
Wasn't meant to be a sly dig. I think I phrased it wrong. I think you've done remarkably well at underage level but you should be seeing something now at senior level. Otherwise all the work goes to waste.
Indiana, instead of been so aggressive and negative can you offer constructive criticism as to why you believe Roscommon aren't bridging the gap from under-age success to senior. There's a clear defined pathway for players but sometimes I believe history and culture (obviously speaking from experience here) is as much a barrier as just not having good footballers. Roscommon are mentally dwarfed by Mayo and Galway same way Kildare mentally freeze at senior level against Dublin.
Losing Fergal O'Donnell as senior manager has not helped imho, contrasting Kildare and Roscommon yesterday it was easy to see which side was the better managed. At senior I think O'Donnell could really have created a legacy if allowed over 5-10 years, too often now the only barometer of success at senior level is an All-Ireland.
I think Kildare are a slightly different case as they've only started. Kildare should be right up there with dublin every year. With the population base, clubs etc. But they've neglected the underage totally until recently.
First point- Club structure is vital to supplement the underage structure. And I think that's where both lose out.
Roscommon are dominated like Armagh by one big club and Kildare don't seem to make any impact at club level in recent years either.
You'll only get 3/4 players off any underage team and probably less off a minor team. Minor is less of an indicator. u21 is better- they're playing against men.
But you'll pick up a few from club level if the structures are good enough. Dublin club football is very strong- unfortunately for the wrong reasons in some cases. But lads like Kilkenny and Costello are from Div 3 clubs. That only augurs well for the strength of club football in Dublin.
The second point and crux however is this.
The underage teams can make the senior team become a sideshow. Its happened in Laois and it was the same in Dublin for a while. This year none of our senior u21 panelists trained with the u21's. And we lost to Longford. But I wouldn't change the fact they didn't train. The senior team is number one and always should be.
I'm not sure it is in every county.
That's a pretty good point about club structures, under-age success and strong clubs aren't mutually exclusive though, development squads improves the standard of players and ultimately as long as the clubs retain these players they are the primary beneficiaries. I think the club standard in Kildare is pretty good, Celbridge, Athy, Sarsfields, Larries, Carbury and Moorefield would all fancy their chances but no we haven't made an impact at club level at senior level in Leinster. Our Intermediate sides have dominated though contesting 6 out of the last 8 winning 4. Our club standard is improving but perhaps only Kerry/Mayo's would be close to Dublin's.
The burden of history though is a bitch especially when you look at the Kildare forum and you seen this team of young lads been called chokers, what kind of message those that send out. ::)
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 06, 2013, 11:35:11 AM
Quote from: Declan on August 06, 2013, 11:02:37 AM
That must be a decent Roscommon team because on the couple of occasions I saw that Kildare team they impressed me
Connacht is very strong at underage again this year by the looks of it. Galway won the minor league in Connacht but lost to Mayo after extra-time after the Galway keeper had a bit of a nightmare under the high ball. No second chance in Connacht either until the final obviously. Mayo are strong, Roscommon are strong. 3 of the 5 or 6 best teams may well have been in Connacht this year
Thought Galway would make the final, best game of the year was the Galway-Roscommon de facto league final before the U21 Connacht final in April.
Mayo are masters at getting goals, though, and that undone both of us even if in general play we were probably the better performers. We were lucky enough to get a second bite of the cherry. Would love an all-Connacht All-Ireland final.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 06, 2013, 11:40:12 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2013, 11:00:36 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 06, 2013, 10:17:03 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2013, 09:36:24 AM
Quote from: ross4life on August 06, 2013, 01:20:25 AM
INDIANA moving on from the sly digs at Syferus I'm sure you would agree for county of our size and pick with little or no money it's a fine achievement to win anything at any level & like said on this thread in page 2 underage success is no guarantee of senior success continued failure at under age practically guarantees failure at senior level.
Thanks to the huge work at underage level we have the best talent available to us for over a decade, our target is to get out of div 3 then take it from there if in say five years we are still in div 3 and no Connacht title won then no doubt in my mind we'll have underachieved.
Wasn't meant to be a sly dig. I think I phrased it wrong. I think you've done remarkably well at underage level but you should be seeing something now at senior level. Otherwise all the work goes to waste.
Indiana, instead of been so aggressive and negative can you offer constructive criticism as to why you believe Roscommon aren't bridging the gap from under-age success to senior. There's a clear defined pathway for players but sometimes I believe history and culture (obviously speaking from experience here) is as much a barrier as just not having good footballers. Roscommon are mentally dwarfed by Mayo and Galway same way Kildare mentally freeze at senior level against Dublin.
Losing Fergal O'Donnell as senior manager has not helped imho, contrasting Kildare and Roscommon yesterday it was easy to see which side was the better managed. At senior I think O'Donnell could really have created a legacy if allowed over 5-10 years, too often now the only barometer of success at senior level is an All-Ireland.
I think Kildare are a slightly different case as they've only started. Kildare should be right up there with dublin every year. With the population base, clubs etc. But they've neglected the underage totally until recently.
First point- Club structure is vital to supplement the underage structure. And I think that's where both lose out.
Roscommon are dominated like Armagh by one big club and Kildare don't seem to make any impact at club level in recent years either.
You'll only get 3/4 players off any underage team and probably less off a minor team. Minor is less of an indicator. u21 is better- they're playing against men.
But you'll pick up a few from club level if the structures are good enough. Dublin club football is very strong- unfortunately for the wrong reasons in some cases. But lads like Kilkenny and Costello are from Div 3 clubs. That only augurs well for the strength of club football in Dublin.
The second point and crux however is this.
The underage teams can make the senior team become a sideshow. Its happened in Laois and it was the same in Dublin for a while. This year none of our senior u21 panelists trained with the u21's. And we lost to Longford. But I wouldn't change the fact they didn't train. The senior team is number one and always should be.
I'm not sure it is in every county.
That's a pretty good point about club structures, under-age success and strong clubs aren't mutually exclusive though, development squads improves the standard of players and ultimately as long as the clubs retain these players they are the primary beneficiaries. I think the club standard in Kildare is pretty good, Celbridge, Athy, Sarsfields, Larries, Carbury and Moorefield would all fancy their chances but no we haven't made an impact at club level at senior level in Leinster. Our Intermediate sides have dominated though contesting 6 out of the last 8 winning 4. Our club standard is improving but perhaps only Kerry/Mayo's would be close to Dublin's.
The burden of history though is a bitch especially when you look at the Kildare forum and you seen this team of young lads been called chokers, what kind of message those that send out. ::)
Mayo's is nothing to write home about, and that's coming from someone who has a soft spot for Ballagh and their two titles in the last five years.
Kerry and Dublin are the two gold standards at club level, and even then it's hardly helped Dublin much over the last thirty years. Every county needs something different to be successful, I don't think there is any one template that can be applied.
Is the Tyrone minor game on the same day and place as the senior game?
No minors play on 1st Sept, & Seniors the week before.
Quote from: God14 on August 06, 2013, 01:09:10 PM
No minors play on 1st Sept, & Seniors the week before.
Costly handling by if you want to support both teams.
Quote from: orangeman on August 06, 2013, 01:29:22 PM
Quote from: God14 on August 06, 2013, 01:09:10 PM
No minors play on 1st Sept, & Seniors the week before.
Costly handling by if you want to support both teams.
Mayo won both their provincials.They deserve the double bill, Tyrone can have no complaints.
Maybe HQ could offer a deal on both semis (don't they offer a package already?), but that's all that could be done in this situation.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2013, 11:00:36 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 06, 2013, 10:17:03 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2013, 09:36:24 AM
Quote from: ross4life on August 06, 2013, 01:20:25 AM
INDIANA moving on from the sly digs at Syferus I'm sure you would agree for county of our size and pick with little or no money it's a fine achievement to win anything at any level & like said on this thread in page 2 underage success is no guarantee of senior success continued failure at under age practically guarantees failure at senior level.
Thanks to the huge work at underage level we have the best talent available to us for over a decade, our target is to get out of div 3 then take it from there if in say five years we are still in div 3 and no Connacht title won then no doubt in my mind we'll have underachieved.
Wasn't meant to be a sly dig. I think I phrased it wrong. I think you've done remarkably well at underage level but you should be seeing something now at senior level. Otherwise all the work goes to waste.
Indiana, instead of been so aggressive and negative can you offer constructive criticism as to why you believe Roscommon aren't bridging the gap from under-age success to senior. There's a clear defined pathway for players but sometimes I believe history and culture (obviously speaking from experience here) is as much a barrier as just not having good footballers. Roscommon are mentally dwarfed by Mayo and Galway same way Kildare mentally freeze at senior level against Dublin.
Losing Fergal O'Donnell as senior manager has not helped imho, contrasting Kildare and Roscommon yesterday it was easy to see which side was the better managed. At senior I think O'Donnell could really have created a legacy if allowed over 5-10 years, too often now the only barometer of success at senior level is an All-Ireland.
I think Kildare are a slightly different case as they've only started. Kildare should be right up there with dublin every year. With the population base, clubs etc. But they've neglected the underage totally until recently.
First point- Club structure is vital to supplement the underage structure. And I think that's where both lose out.
Roscommon are dominated like Armagh by one big club and Kildare don't seem to make any impact at club level in recent years either.
You'll only get 3/4 players off any underage team and probably less off a minor team. Minor is less of an indicator. u21 is better- they're playing against men.
But you'll pick up a few from club level if the structures are good enough. Dublin club football is very strong- unfortunately for the wrong reasons in some cases. But lads like Kilkenny and Costello are from Div 3 clubs. That only augurs well for the strength of club football in Dublin.
The second point and crux however is this.
The underage teams can make the senior team become a sideshow. Its happened in Laois and it was the same in Dublin for a while. This year none of our senior u21 panelists trained with the u21's. And we lost to Longford. But I wouldn't change the fact they didn't train. The senior team is number one and always should be.
I'm not sure it is in every county.
We were after winning minor All Ireland quarter final against all the odds, meant or not this was a sly dig.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 05, 2013, 05:37:44 PM
let us know when you win an ould senior game
In regards to the rest of your post. Roscommon club football is dominated by Brigids because of their own underage success however the last number of years the underage titles here have been won by the likes of Padraig Pearses,Strokestown,Roscommon Gaels. Brigids should win another Roscommon title this year but if they don't we have plenty of teams here that could win Connacht title. Boyle are looking good at intermediate level and would be there or thereabout for Connacht aswell.
As for county level like i said already minor football is feeder for U-21 level at the moment we have number of 20,21 year olds on our senior panel finding their feet & if you aren't producing some decent talent at underage level what chance have you got at senior level? senior football is the flagship but for years we ignored the underage set up Mayo,Galway strolled past even Leitrim hammering us in games.
A Connacht title or two,getting out of div 3 having senior team that can be competitive against the top sides is what will be seen as success for us.
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Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2013, 11:51:27 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 06, 2013, 11:40:12 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2013, 11:00:36 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 06, 2013, 10:17:03 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2013, 09:36:24 AM
Quote from: ross4life on August 06, 2013, 01:20:25 AM
INDIANA moving on from the sly digs at Syferus I'm sure you would agree for county of our size and pick with little or no money it's a fine achievement to win anything at any level & like said on this thread in page 2 underage success is no guarantee of senior success continued failure at under age practically guarantees failure at senior level.
Thanks to the huge work at underage level we have the best talent available to us for over a decade, our target is to get out of div 3 then take it from there if in say five years we are still in div 3 and no Connacht title won then no doubt in my mind we'll have underachieved.
Wasn't meant to be a sly dig. I think I phrased it wrong. I think you've done remarkably well at underage level but you should be seeing something now at senior level. Otherwise all the work goes to waste.
Indiana, instead of been so aggressive and negative can you offer constructive criticism as to why you believe Roscommon aren't bridging the gap from under-age success to senior. There's a clear defined pathway for players but sometimes I believe history and culture (obviously speaking from experience here) is as much a barrier as just not having good footballers. Roscommon are mentally dwarfed by Mayo and Galway same way Kildare mentally freeze at senior level against Dublin.
Losing Fergal O'Donnell as senior manager has not helped imho, contrasting Kildare and Roscommon yesterday it was easy to see which side was the better managed. At senior I think O'Donnell could really have created a legacy if allowed over 5-10 years, too often now the only barometer of success at senior level is an All-Ireland.
I think Kildare are a slightly different case as they've only started. Kildare should be right up there with dublin every year. With the population base, clubs etc. But they've neglected the underage totally until recently.
First point- Club structure is vital to supplement the underage structure. And I think that's where both lose out.
Roscommon are dominated like Armagh by one big club and Kildare don't seem to make any impact at club level in recent years either.
You'll only get 3/4 players off any underage team and probably less off a minor team. Minor is less of an indicator. u21 is better- they're playing against men.
But you'll pick up a few from club level if the structures are good enough. Dublin club football is very strong- unfortunately for the wrong reasons in some cases. But lads like Kilkenny and Costello are from Div 3 clubs. That only augurs well for the strength of club football in Dublin.
The second point and crux however is this.
The underage teams can make the senior team become a sideshow. Its happened in Laois and it was the same in Dublin for a while. This year none of our senior u21 panelists trained with the u21's. And we lost to Longford. But I wouldn't change the fact they didn't train. The senior team is number one and always should be.
I'm not sure it is in every county.
That's a pretty good point about club structures, under-age success and strong clubs aren't mutually exclusive though, development squads improves the standard of players and ultimately as long as the clubs retain these players they are the primary beneficiaries. I think the club standard in Kildare is pretty good, Celbridge, Athy, Sarsfields, Larries, Carbury and Moorefield would all fancy their chances but no we haven't made an impact at club level at senior level in Leinster. Our Intermediate sides have dominated though contesting 6 out of the last 8 winning 4. Our club standard is improving but perhaps only Kerry/Mayo's would be close to Dublin's.
The burden of history though is a bitch especially when you look at the Kildare forum and you seen this team of young lads been called chokers, what kind of message those that send out. ::)
Mayo's is nothing to write home about, and that's coming from someone who has a soft spot for Ballagh and their two titles in the last five years.
Kerry and Dublin are the two gold standards at club level, and even then it's hardly helped Dublin much over the last thirty years. Every county needs something different to be successful, I don't think there is any one template that can be applied.
Can't agree Mayo has a serious club structure.
Knockmore, Ballina, Crossmolina and Charlestown have all made the last 4 in the not too distant past. Outside Brigids you'd have to go back to the late 80's to find another Roscommon side
Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2013, 02:31:09 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2013, 11:51:27 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 06, 2013, 11:40:12 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2013, 11:00:36 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 06, 2013, 10:17:03 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2013, 09:36:24 AM
Quote from: ross4life on August 06, 2013, 01:20:25 AM
INDIANA moving on from the sly digs at Syferus I'm sure you would agree for county of our size and pick with little or no money it's a fine achievement to win anything at any level & like said on this thread in page 2 underage success is no guarantee of senior success continued failure at under age practically guarantees failure at senior level.
Thanks to the huge work at underage level we have the best talent available to us for over a decade, our target is to get out of div 3 then take it from there if in say five years we are still in div 3 and no Connacht title won then no doubt in my mind we'll have underachieved.
Wasn't meant to be a sly dig. I think I phrased it wrong. I think you've done remarkably well at underage level but you should be seeing something now at senior level. Otherwise all the work goes to waste.
Indiana, instead of been so aggressive and negative can you offer constructive criticism as to why you believe Roscommon aren't bridging the gap from under-age success to senior. There's a clear defined pathway for players but sometimes I believe history and culture (obviously speaking from experience here) is as much a barrier as just not having good footballers. Roscommon are mentally dwarfed by Mayo and Galway same way Kildare mentally freeze at senior level against Dublin.
Losing Fergal O'Donnell as senior manager has not helped imho, contrasting Kildare and Roscommon yesterday it was easy to see which side was the better managed. At senior I think O'Donnell could really have created a legacy if allowed over 5-10 years, too often now the only barometer of success at senior level is an All-Ireland.
I think Kildare are a slightly different case as they've only started. Kildare should be right up there with dublin every year. With the population base, clubs etc. But they've neglected the underage totally until recently.
First point- Club structure is vital to supplement the underage structure. And I think that's where both lose out.
Roscommon are dominated like Armagh by one big club and Kildare don't seem to make any impact at club level in recent years either.
You'll only get 3/4 players off any underage team and probably less off a minor team. Minor is less of an indicator. u21 is better- they're playing against men.
But you'll pick up a few from club level if the structures are good enough. Dublin club football is very strong- unfortunately for the wrong reasons in some cases. But lads like Kilkenny and Costello are from Div 3 clubs. That only augurs well for the strength of club football in Dublin.
The second point and crux however is this.
The underage teams can make the senior team become a sideshow. Its happened in Laois and it was the same in Dublin for a while. This year none of our senior u21 panelists trained with the u21's. And we lost to Longford. But I wouldn't change the fact they didn't train. The senior team is number one and always should be.
I'm not sure it is in every county.
That's a pretty good point about club structures, under-age success and strong clubs aren't mutually exclusive though, development squads improves the standard of players and ultimately as long as the clubs retain these players they are the primary beneficiaries. I think the club standard in Kildare is pretty good, Celbridge, Athy, Sarsfields, Larries, Carbury and Moorefield would all fancy their chances but no we haven't made an impact at club level at senior level in Leinster. Our Intermediate sides have dominated though contesting 6 out of the last 8 winning 4. Our club standard is improving but perhaps only Kerry/Mayo's would be close to Dublin's.
The burden of history though is a bitch especially when you look at the Kildare forum and you seen this team of young lads been called chokers, what kind of message those that send out. ::)
Mayo's is nothing to write home about, and that's coming from someone who has a soft spot for Ballagh and their two titles in the last five years.
Kerry and Dublin are the two gold standards at club level, and even then it's hardly helped Dublin much over the last thirty years. Every county needs something different to be successful, I don't think there is any one template that can be applied.
Can't agree Mayo has a serious club structure.
Knockmore, Ballina, Crossmolina and Charlestown have all made the last 4 in the not too distant past. Charlestown got themselves relegated two years ago and only made it back to senior this year. Outside Brigids you'd have to go back to the late 80's to find another Roscommon side
The recent past maybe but right now? No chance. The likes of Stephenites and Deel have fell on hard times and it's more a case of them sinking than anyone else rising very high. Mayo champions are still usually a good old team but there isn't any fear there anymore. Galway's probably of an equal standard right now, if not better.
Quote from: ross4life on August 06, 2013, 01:43:59 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2013, 11:00:36 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 06, 2013, 10:17:03 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2013, 09:36:24 AM
Quote from: ross4life on August 06, 2013, 01:20:25 AM
INDIANA moving on from the sly digs at Syferus I'm sure you would agree for county of our size and pick with little or no money it's a fine achievement to win anything at any level & like said on this thread in page 2 underage success is no guarantee of senior success continued failure at under age practically guarantees failure at senior level.
Thanks to the huge work at underage level we have the best talent available to us for over a decade, our target is to get out of div 3 then take it from there if in say five years we are still in div 3 and no Connacht title won then no doubt in my mind we'll have underachieved.
Wasn't meant to be a sly dig. I think I phrased it wrong. I think you've done remarkably well at underage level but you should be seeing something now at senior level. Otherwise all the work goes to waste.
Indiana, instead of been so aggressive and negative can you offer constructive criticism as to why you believe Roscommon aren't bridging the gap from under-age success to senior. There's a clear defined pathway for players but sometimes I believe history and culture (obviously speaking from experience here) is as much a barrier as just not having good footballers. Roscommon are mentally dwarfed by Mayo and Galway same way Kildare mentally freeze at senior level against Dublin.
Losing Fergal O'Donnell as senior manager has not helped imho, contrasting Kildare and Roscommon yesterday it was easy to see which side was the better managed. At senior I think O'Donnell could really have created a legacy if allowed over 5-10 years, too often now the only barometer of success at senior level is an All-Ireland.
I think Kildare are a slightly different case as they've only started. Kildare should be right up there with dublin every year. With the population base, clubs etc. But they've neglected the underage totally until recently.
First point- Club structure is vital to supplement the underage structure. And I think that's where both lose out.
Roscommon are dominated like Armagh by one big club and Kildare don't seem to make any impact at club level in recent years either.
You'll only get 3/4 players off any underage team and probably less off a minor team. Minor is less of an indicator. u21 is better- they're playing against men.
But you'll pick up a few from club level if the structures are good enough. Dublin club football is very strong- unfortunately for the wrong reasons in some cases. But lads like Kilkenny and Costello are from Div 3 clubs. That only augurs well for the strength of club football in Dublin.
The second point and crux however is this.
The underage teams can make the senior team become a sideshow. Its happened in Laois and it was the same in Dublin for a while. This year none of our senior u21 panelists trained with the u21's. And we lost to Longford. But I wouldn't change the fact they didn't train. The senior team is number one and always should be.
I'm not sure it is in every county.
We were after winning minor All Ireland quarter final against all the odds, meant or not this was a sly dig.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 05, 2013, 05:37:44 PM
let us know when you win an ould senior game
In regards to the rest of your post. Roscommon club football is dominated by Brigids because of their own underage success however the last number of years the underage titles here have been won by the likes of Padraig Pearses,Strokestown,Roscommon Gaels. Brigids should win another Roscommon title this year but if they don't we have plenty of teams here that could win Connacht title. Boyle are looking good at intermediate level and would be there or thereabout for Connacht aswell.
As for county level like i said already minor football is feeder for U-21 level at the moment we have number of 20,21 year olds on our senior panel finding their feet & if you aren't producing some decent talent at underage level what chance have you got at senior level? senior football is the flagship but for years we ignored the underage set up Mayo,Galway strolled past even Leitrim hammering us in games.
A Connacht title or two,getting out of div 3 having senior team that can be competitive against the top sides is what will be seen as success for us.
If the underage teams are of sufficient quality you should be able to turn the senior team around quite quickly. By turning it around there should be promotions in the league at senior level and getting to the last 12 say of the all -ireland series (draw permitting)
There should be some indications next year for Roscommon. If there isn't I would start to get a bit worried if I was a Rossies fan.
The problem is that people assume that because they win an u21 all-ireland that it consists of remarkably talented footballers. Not always, sometimes it does.
Last year's dublin u21 side was an exceptional bunch of players.
The previous side in 2010 was average enough even though they won the all-ireland. Wasn't a stellar quality championship but we got some good players like O Carroll off it. But Rory didn't need an u21 campaign to become a dublin senior.
Cavan neglected their senior side in the league this year for the u21 campaign. And will pay for it next year IMO. With the huge progress they made in the championship this year they have to go back to playing in Div 3 next year which will stunt their development IMO.
Its a balancing act overall. You want to do well at underage but you can't neglect the seniors by languishing in Div 3 because when your good underage players come through they'll be playing at too low a standard to mix it with the big guys.
You can't do well every year at underage. Next year Roscommon should prioritise the senior team at the expense of the 21's to get promoted and maybe go for the 21's the following year.
All Ulster All Ireland final with Tyrone to gain revenge? i think Down 2005 are the last minor team to lose provincial title and win All Ireland.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2013, 02:41:34 PM
Quote from: ross4life on August 06, 2013, 01:43:59 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2013, 11:00:36 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 06, 2013, 10:17:03 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2013, 09:36:24 AM
Quote from: ross4life on August 06, 2013, 01:20:25 AM
INDIANA moving on from the sly digs at Syferus I'm sure you would agree for county of our size and pick with little or no money it's a fine achievement to win anything at any level & like said on this thread in page 2 underage success is no guarantee of senior success continued failure at under age practically guarantees failure at senior level.
Thanks to the huge work at underage level we have the best talent available to us for over a decade, our target is to get out of div 3 then take it from there if in say five years we are still in div 3 and no Connacht title won then no doubt in my mind we'll have underachieved.
Wasn't meant to be a sly dig. I think I phrased it wrong. I think you've done remarkably well at underage level but you should be seeing something now at senior level. Otherwise all the work goes to waste.
Indiana, instead of been so aggressive and negative can you offer constructive criticism as to why you believe Roscommon aren't bridging the gap from under-age success to senior. There's a clear defined pathway for players but sometimes I believe history and culture (obviously speaking from experience here) is as much a barrier as just not having good footballers. Roscommon are mentally dwarfed by Mayo and Galway same way Kildare mentally freeze at senior level against Dublin.
Losing Fergal O'Donnell as senior manager has not helped imho, contrasting Kildare and Roscommon yesterday it was easy to see which side was the better managed. At senior I think O'Donnell could really have created a legacy if allowed over 5-10 years, too often now the only barometer of success at senior level is an All-Ireland.
I think Kildare are a slightly different case as they've only started. Kildare should be right up there with dublin every year. With the population base, clubs etc. But they've neglected the underage totally until recently.
First point- Club structure is vital to supplement the underage structure. And I think that's where both lose out.
Roscommon are dominated like Armagh by one big club and Kildare don't seem to make any impact at club level in recent years either.
You'll only get 3/4 players off any underage team and probably less off a minor team. Minor is less of an indicator. u21 is better- they're playing against men.
But you'll pick up a few from club level if the structures are good enough. Dublin club football is very strong- unfortunately for the wrong reasons in some cases. But lads like Kilkenny and Costello are from Div 3 clubs. That only augurs well for the strength of club football in Dublin.
The second point and crux however is this.
The underage teams can make the senior team become a sideshow. Its happened in Laois and it was the same in Dublin for a while. This year none of our senior u21 panelists trained with the u21's. And we lost to Longford. But I wouldn't change the fact they didn't train. The senior team is number one and always should be.
I'm not sure it is in every county.
We were after winning minor All Ireland quarter final against all the odds, meant or not this was a sly dig.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 05, 2013, 05:37:44 PM
let us know when you win an ould senior game
In regards to the rest of your post. Roscommon club football is dominated by Brigids because of their own underage success however the last number of years the underage titles here have been won by the likes of Padraig Pearses,Strokestown,Roscommon Gaels. Brigids should win another Roscommon title this year but if they don't we have plenty of teams here that could win Connacht title. Boyle are looking good at intermediate level and would be there or thereabout for Connacht aswell.
As for county level like i said already minor football is feeder for U-21 level at the moment we have number of 20,21 year olds on our senior panel finding their feet & if you aren't producing some decent talent at underage level what chance have you got at senior level? senior football is the flagship but for years we ignored the underage set up Mayo,Galway strolled past even Leitrim hammering us in games.
A Connacht title or two,getting out of div 3 having senior team that can be competitive against the top sides is what will be seen as success for us.
If the underage teams are of sufficient quality you should be able to turn the senior team around quite quickly. By turning it around there should be promotions in the league at senior level and getting to the last 12 say of the all -ireland series (draw permitting)
There should be some indications next year for Roscommon. If there isn't I would start to get a bit worried if I was a Rossies fan.
The problem is that people assume that because they win an u21 all-ireland that it consists of remarkably talented footballers. Not always, sometimes it does.
Last year's dublin u21 side was an exceptional bunch of players.
The previous side in 2010 was average enough even though they won the all-ireland. Wasn't a stellar quality championship but we got some good players like O Carroll off it. But Rory didn't need an u21 campaign to become a dublin senior.
Cavan neglected their senior side in the league this year for the u21 campaign. And will pay for it next year IMO. With the huge progress they made in the championship this year they have to go back to playing in Div 3 next year which will stunt their development IMO.
Its a balancing act overall. You want to do well at underage but you can't neglect the seniors by languishing in Div 3 because when your good underage players come through they'll be playing at too low a standard to mix it with the big guys.
You can't do well every year at underage. Next year Roscommon should prioritise the senior team at the expense of the 21's to get promoted and maybe go for the 21's the following year.
We have a very good crop of U21s next year so I don't see that happening, nor should it. Were Brigids not to make the AISF (which I genuinely hope they do) it'd have more impact on our success in the league than the U21s training with the U21 panel. You can win Connacht in two games so it's hardly much of a pressure point in all honesty.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2013, 02:41:34 PM
If the underage teams are of sufficient quality you should be able to turn the senior team around quite quickly. By turning it around there should be promotions in the league at senior level and getting to the last 12 say of the all -ireland series (draw permitting)
There should be some indications next year for Roscommon. If there isn't I would start to get a bit worried if I was a Rossies fan.
The problem is that people assume that because they win an u21 all-ireland that it consists of remarkably talented footballers. Not always, sometimes it does.
Last year's dublin u21 side was an exceptional bunch of players.
The previous side in 2010 was average enough even though they won the all-ireland. Wasn't a stellar quality championship but we got some good players like O Carroll off it. But Rory didn't need an u21 campaign to become a dublin senior.
Cavan neglected their senior side in the league this year for the u21 campaign. And will pay for it next year IMO. With the huge progress they made in the championship this year they have to go back to playing in Div 3 next year which will stunt their development IMO.
Its a balancing act overall. You want to do well at underage but you can't neglect the seniors by languishing in Div 3 because when your good underage players come through they'll be playing at too low a standard to mix it with the big guys.
You can't do well every year at underage. Next year Roscommon should prioritise the senior team at the expense of the 21's to get promoted and maybe go for the 21's the following year.
Ourselves and Cavan are down in div 3 for reason we could use excuses likely Cavan held back their U-21s while we didn't have the pick of Brigids players etc but the fact is we have been fooling around with management if Fergal had stayed on i think we would be in Div 2 already & in Cavan case they have good management in place now and should be pushing for promotion next year.
I remember that U-21 Dublin 2010 team you beat us in AI semi final it wasn't one of our best underage teams however we still got plenty of good individual talent out of that side including Darren O'Malley, Neil Collins, Niall Daly, Cathal Shine all who started and played very well in 2 point loss v Tyrone a few weeks ago. Rome wasn't built in day and considering how young our panel is its a bit harsh to expect instant success though i agree it will be a bit worrying if we aren't showing signs of progress next year.
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INDIANA moving on from the sly digs at Syferus I'm sure you would agree for county of our size and pick with little or no money it's a fine achievement to win anything at any level & like said on this thread in page 2 underage success is no guarantee of senior success continued failure at under age practically guarantees failure at senior level.
Thanks to the huge work at underage level we have the best talent available to us for over a decade, our target is to get out of div 3 then take it from there if in say five years we are still in div 3 and no Connacht title won then no doubt in my mind we'll have underachieved.
Wasn't meant to be a sly dig. I think I phrased it wrong. I think you've done remarkably well at underage level but you should be seeing something now at senior level. Otherwise all the work goes to waste.
Indiana, instead of been so aggressive and negative can you offer constructive criticism as to why you believe Roscommon aren't bridging the gap from under-age success to senior. There's a clear defined pathway for players but sometimes I believe history and culture (obviously speaking from experience here) is as much a barrier as just not having good footballers. Roscommon are mentally dwarfed by Mayo and Galway same way Kildare mentally freeze at senior level against Dublin.
Losing Fergal O'Donnell as senior manager has not helped imho, contrasting Kildare and Roscommon yesterday it was easy to see which side was the better managed. At senior I think O'Donnell could really have created a legacy if allowed over 5-10 years, too often now the only barometer of success at senior level is an All-Ireland.
I think Kildare are a slightly different case as they've only started. Kildare should be right up there with dublin every year. With the population base, clubs etc. But they've neglected the underage totally until recently.
First point- Club structure is vital to supplement the underage structure. And I think that's where both lose out.
Roscommon are dominated like Armagh by one big club and Kildare don't seem to make any impact at club level in recent years either.
You'll only get 3/4 players off any underage team and probably less off a minor team. Minor is less of an indicator. u21 is better- they're playing against men.
But you'll pick up a few from club level if the structures are good enough. Dublin club football is very strong- unfortunately for the wrong reasons in some cases. But lads like Kilkenny and Costello are from Div 3 clubs. That only augurs well for the strength of club football in Dublin.
The second point and crux however is this.
The underage teams can make the senior team become a sideshow. Its happened in Laois and it was the same in Dublin for a while. This year none of our senior u21 panelists trained with the u21's. And we lost to Longford. But I wouldn't change the fact they didn't train. The senior team is number one and always should be.
I'm not sure it is in every county.
We were after winning minor All Ireland quarter final against all the odds, meant or not this was a sly dig.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 05, 2013, 05:37:44 PM
let us know when you win an ould senior game
In regards to the rest of your post. Roscommon club football is dominated by Brigids because of their own underage success however the last number of years the underage titles here have been won by the likes of Padraig Pearses,Strokestown,Roscommon Gaels. Brigids should win another Roscommon title this year but if they don't we have plenty of teams here that could win Connacht title. Boyle are looking good at intermediate level and would be there or thereabout for Connacht aswell.
As for county level like i said already minor football is feeder for U-21 level at the moment we have number of 20,21 year olds on our senior panel finding their feet & if you aren't producing some decent talent at underage level what chance have you got at senior level? senior football is the flagship but for years we ignored the underage set up Mayo,Galway strolled past even Leitrim hammering us in games.
A Connacht title or two,getting out of div 3 having senior team that can be competitive against the top sides is what will be seen as success for us.
If the underage teams are of sufficient quality you should be able to turn the senior team around quite quickly. By turning it around there should be promotions in the league at senior level and getting to the last 12 say of the all -ireland series (draw permitting)
There should be some indications next year for Roscommon. If there isn't I would start to get a bit worried if I was a Rossies fan.
The problem is that people assume that because they win an u21 all-ireland that it consists of remarkably talented footballers. Not always, sometimes it does.
Last year's dublin u21 side was an exceptional bunch of players.
The previous side in 2010 was average enough even though they won the all-ireland. Wasn't a stellar quality championship but we got some good players like O Carroll off it. But Rory didn't need an u21 campaign to become a dublin senior.
Cavan neglected their senior side in the league this year for the u21 campaign. And will pay for it next year IMO. With the huge progress they made in the championship this year they have to go back to playing in Div 3 next year which will stunt their development IMO.
Its a balancing act overall. You want to do well at underage but you can't neglect the seniors by languishing in Div 3 because when your good underage players come through they'll be playing at too low a standard to mix it with the big guys.
You can't do well every year at underage. Next year Roscommon should prioritise the senior team at the expense of the 21's to get promoted and maybe go for the 21's the following year.
We have a very good crop of U21s next year so I don't see that happening, nor should it. Were Brigids not to make the AISF (which I genuinely hope they do) it'd have more impact on our success in the league than the U21s training with the U21 panel. You can win Connacht in two games so it's hardly much of a pressure point in all honesty.
It's a bigger pressure point then you think. Sure you could draw leitrim and london and make the final and then get thumped.
I think the 21's would have a bigger impact on your campaign as they are ones who are going to have to provide the extra class you need at senior level because a lot of your current crop aren't going to provide that. If they aren't playing for your senior team you could end up in Div 3 again which would be a disaster really.
Didn't get down to Tullamore yesterday as I can't drive for a few weeks, and had no lift, but well done to Mayo who will have a minor/senior double-header on the 25th August. Hopefully the fans will get in early to support them.
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INDIANA moving on from the sly digs at Syferus I'm sure you would agree for county of our size and pick with little or no money it's a fine achievement to win anything at any level & like said on this thread in page 2 underage success is no guarantee of senior success continued failure at under age practically guarantees failure at senior level.
Thanks to the huge work at underage level we have the best talent available to us for over a decade, our target is to get out of div 3 then take it from there if in say five years we are still in div 3 and no Connacht title won then no doubt in my mind we'll have underachieved.
Wasn't meant to be a sly dig. I think I phrased it wrong. I think you've done remarkably well at underage level but you should be seeing something now at senior level. Otherwise all the work goes to waste.
Indiana, instead of been so aggressive and negative can you offer constructive criticism as to why you believe Roscommon aren't bridging the gap from under-age success to senior. There's a clear defined pathway for players but sometimes I believe history and culture (obviously speaking from experience here) is as much a barrier as just not having good footballers. Roscommon are mentally dwarfed by Mayo and Galway same way Kildare mentally freeze at senior level against Dublin.
Losing Fergal O'Donnell as senior manager has not helped imho, contrasting Kildare and Roscommon yesterday it was easy to see which side was the better managed. At senior I think O'Donnell could really have created a legacy if allowed over 5-10 years, too often now the only barometer of success at senior level is an All-Ireland.
I think Kildare are a slightly different case as they've only started. Kildare should be right up there with dublin every year. With the population base, clubs etc. But they've neglected the underage totally until recently.
First point- Club structure is vital to supplement the underage structure. And I think that's where both lose out.
Roscommon are dominated like Armagh by one big club and Kildare don't seem to make any impact at club level in recent years either.
You'll only get 3/4 players off any underage team and probably less off a minor team. Minor is less of an indicator. u21 is better- they're playing against men.
But you'll pick up a few from club level if the structures are good enough. Dublin club football is very strong- unfortunately for the wrong reasons in some cases. But lads like Kilkenny and Costello are from Div 3 clubs. That only augurs well for the strength of club football in Dublin.
The second point and crux however is this.
The underage teams can make the senior team become a sideshow. Its happened in Laois and it was the same in Dublin for a while. This year none of our senior u21 panelists trained with the u21's. And we lost to Longford. But I wouldn't change the fact they didn't train. The senior team is number one and always should be.
I'm not sure it is in every county.
We were after winning minor All Ireland quarter final against all the odds, meant or not this was a sly dig.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 05, 2013, 05:37:44 PM
let us know when you win an ould senior game
In regards to the rest of your post. Roscommon club football is dominated by Brigids because of their own underage success however the last number of years the underage titles here have been won by the likes of Padraig Pearses,Strokestown,Roscommon Gaels. Brigids should win another Roscommon title this year but if they don't we have plenty of teams here that could win Connacht title. Boyle are looking good at intermediate level and would be there or thereabout for Connacht aswell.
As for county level like i said already minor football is feeder for U-21 level at the moment we have number of 20,21 year olds on our senior panel finding their feet & if you aren't producing some decent talent at underage level what chance have you got at senior level? senior football is the flagship but for years we ignored the underage set up Mayo,Galway strolled past even Leitrim hammering us in games.
A Connacht title or two,getting out of div 3 having senior team that can be competitive against the top sides is what will be seen as success for us.
If the underage teams are of sufficient quality you should be able to turn the senior team around quite quickly. By turning it around there should be promotions in the league at senior level and getting to the last 12 say of the all -ireland series (draw permitting)
There should be some indications next year for Roscommon. If there isn't I would start to get a bit worried if I was a Rossies fan.
The problem is that people assume that because they win an u21 all-ireland that it consists of remarkably talented footballers. Not always, sometimes it does.
Last year's dublin u21 side was an exceptional bunch of players.
The previous side in 2010 was average enough even though they won the all-ireland. Wasn't a stellar quality championship but we got some good players like O Carroll off it. But Rory didn't need an u21 campaign to become a dublin senior.
Cavan neglected their senior side in the league this year for the u21 campaign. And will pay for it next year IMO. With the huge progress they made in the championship this year they have to go back to playing in Div 3 next year which will stunt their development IMO.
Its a balancing act overall. You want to do well at underage but you can't neglect the seniors by languishing in Div 3 because when your good underage players come through they'll be playing at too low a standard to mix it with the big guys.
You can't do well every year at underage. Next year Roscommon should prioritise the senior team at the expense of the 21's to get promoted and maybe go for the 21's the following year.
We have a very good crop of U21s next year so I don't see that happening, nor should it. Were Brigids not to make the AISF (which I genuinely hope they do) it'd have more impact on our success in the league than the U21s training with the U21 panel. You can win Connacht in two games so it's hardly much of a pressure point in all honesty.
It's a bigger pressure point then you think. Sure you could draw leitrim and london and make the final and then get thumped.
I think the 21's would have a bigger impact on your campaign as they are ones who are going to have to provide the extra class you need at senior level because a lot of your current crop aren't going to provide that. If they aren't playing for your senior team you could end up in Div 3 again which would be a disaster really.
Sigerson/FBD etc. and having our best senior club's players (grown men, not talented but inexperienced prospects) unavailable hurt us way more than the U21s giving the U21 championship a real go. It's not or they're not going to not play so a few training sessions is about the only difference.
The crazy schedule the GAA uses effects us more than any other single county right now. If the U21 championship wasn't butting up against Sigerson and the club championship didn't lurch into March we have benefitted greatly.
You know Cavan don't let their U21s even train with their seniors once the championship starts, right? Weren't they the example you were using about where we should be? Fancy Cavan managing that trick, eh!
The reason why Roscommon have had little success at senior level, despite having decent minor teams is more down to the mis-management of the team back in the Maughan era. Maughan had a plan ( I'm sure he had best intentions) it was to get rid of the perceived trouble makers on the panel back around 06-08 time. Unfortunately these happened to be our best players and more natural leaders. About 7 in all were culled, another 7 felt isolated by this decision and decided to leave the panel. We had no choice but to bring our young minors straight into the senior set up, lacking leaders, men and physicality. We were in division 2 and got our asses kicked. Confidence was on the wane, youngsters were meant to become men over night, that was never going to happen. Nobody was their to nurture these young fellas, give them good advice etc. Maughan took a gamble, Roscommon senior footballers are still feeling the full effects of.
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INDIANA moving on from the sly digs at Syferus I'm sure you would agree for county of our size and pick with little or no money it's a fine achievement to win anything at any level & like said on this thread in page 2 underage success is no guarantee of senior success continued failure at under age practically guarantees failure at senior level.
Thanks to the huge work at underage level we have the best talent available to us for over a decade, our target is to get out of div 3 then take it from there if in say five years we are still in div 3 and no Connacht title won then no doubt in my mind we'll have underachieved.
Wasn't meant to be a sly dig. I think I phrased it wrong. I think you've done remarkably well at underage level but you should be seeing something now at senior level. Otherwise all the work goes to waste.
Indiana, instead of been so aggressive and negative can you offer constructive criticism as to why you believe Roscommon aren't bridging the gap from under-age success to senior. There's a clear defined pathway for players but sometimes I believe history and culture (obviously speaking from experience here) is as much a barrier as just not having good footballers. Roscommon are mentally dwarfed by Mayo and Galway same way Kildare mentally freeze at senior level against Dublin.
Losing Fergal O'Donnell as senior manager has not helped imho, contrasting Kildare and Roscommon yesterday it was easy to see which side was the better managed. At senior I think O'Donnell could really have created a legacy if allowed over 5-10 years, too often now the only barometer of success at senior level is an All-Ireland.
I think Kildare are a slightly different case as they've only started. Kildare should be right up there with dublin every year. With the population base, clubs etc. But they've neglected the underage totally until recently.
First point- Club structure is vital to supplement the underage structure. And I think that's where both lose out.
Roscommon are dominated like Armagh by one big club and Kildare don't seem to make any impact at club level in recent years either.
You'll only get 3/4 players off any underage team and probably less off a minor team. Minor is less of an indicator. u21 is better- they're playing against men.
But you'll pick up a few from club level if the structures are good enough. Dublin club football is very strong- unfortunately for the wrong reasons in some cases. But lads like Kilkenny and Costello are from Div 3 clubs. That only augurs well for the strength of club football in Dublin.
The second point and crux however is this.
The underage teams can make the senior team become a sideshow. Its happened in Laois and it was the same in Dublin for a while. This year none of our senior u21 panelists trained with the u21's. And we lost to Longford. But I wouldn't change the fact they didn't train. The senior team is number one and always should be.
I'm not sure it is in every county.
We were after winning minor All Ireland quarter final against all the odds, meant or not this was a sly dig.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 05, 2013, 05:37:44 PM
let us know when you win an ould senior game
In regards to the rest of your post. Roscommon club football is dominated by Brigids because of their own underage success however the last number of years the underage titles here have been won by the likes of Padraig Pearses,Strokestown,Roscommon Gaels. Brigids should win another Roscommon title this year but if they don't we have plenty of teams here that could win Connacht title. Boyle are looking good at intermediate level and would be there or thereabout for Connacht aswell.
As for county level like i said already minor football is feeder for U-21 level at the moment we have number of 20,21 year olds on our senior panel finding their feet & if you aren't producing some decent talent at underage level what chance have you got at senior level? senior football is the flagship but for years we ignored the underage set up Mayo,Galway strolled past even Leitrim hammering us in games.
A Connacht title or two,getting out of div 3 having senior team that can be competitive against the top sides is what will be seen as success for us.
If the underage teams are of sufficient quality you should be able to turn the senior team around quite quickly. By turning it around there should be promotions in the league at senior level and getting to the last 12 say of the all -ireland series (draw permitting)
There should be some indications next year for Roscommon. If there isn't I would start to get a bit worried if I was a Rossies fan.
The problem is that people assume that because they win an u21 all-ireland that it consists of remarkably talented footballers. Not always, sometimes it does.
Last year's dublin u21 side was an exceptional bunch of players.
The previous side in 2010 was average enough even though they won the all-ireland. Wasn't a stellar quality championship but we got some good players like O Carroll off it. But Rory didn't need an u21 campaign to become a dublin senior.
Cavan neglected their senior side in the league this year for the u21 campaign. And will pay for it next year IMO. With the huge progress they made in the championship this year they have to go back to playing in Div 3 next year which will stunt their development IMO.
Its a balancing act overall. You want to do well at underage but you can't neglect the seniors by languishing in Div 3 because when your good underage players come through they'll be playing at too low a standard to mix it with the big guys.
You can't do well every year at underage. Next year Roscommon should prioritise the senior team at the expense of the 21's to get promoted and maybe go for the 21's the following year.
We have a very good crop of U21s next year so I don't see that happening, nor should it. Were Brigids not to make the AISF (which I genuinely hope they do) it'd have more impact on our success in the league than the U21s training with the U21 panel. You can win Connacht in two games so it's hardly much of a pressure point in all honesty.
It's a bigger pressure point then you think. Sure you could draw leitrim and london and make the final and then get thumped.
I think the 21's would have a bigger impact on your campaign as they are ones who are going to have to provide the extra class you need at senior level because a lot of your current crop aren't going to provide that. If they aren't playing for your senior team you could end up in Div 3 again which would be a disaster really.
Sigerson/FBD etc. and having our best senior club's players (grown men, not talented but inexperienced prospects) unavailable hurt us way more than the U21s giving the U21 championship a real go. It's not or they're not going to not play so a few training sessions is about the only difference.
The crazy schedule the GAA uses effects us more than any other single county right now. If the U21 championship wasn't butting up against Sigerson and the club championship didn't lurch into March we have benefitted greatly.
You know Cavan font let their U21s even train with their seniors once the championship start, right? Weren't they the example you were using about where we should be? Fancy Cavan managing that trick, eh!
What division are cavan in? Div 3 and it will hurt them badly next year. I know you don't take any criticism of Roscommon well so I'll leave it at that. I hope you're right genuinely do. On that basis you should have got promoted from what you are saying. Since you didn't you'd have to ask why.
But I wouldn't be putting the mortgage on it.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2013, 04:08:51 PMWhat division are cavan in? Div 3 and it will hurt them badly next year. I know you don't take any criticism of Roscommon well so I'll leave it at that. I hope you're right genuinely do. On that basis you should have got promoted from what you are saying. Since you didn't you'd have to ask why.
But I wouldn't be putting the mortgage on it.
Daft parting shot. Like anyone else I take umbrage at criticism that isn't well-founded. What works for Dublin won't necessarily work for Cavan or Roscommon. Different factors and different goals. Next year certainly isn't the time for us to purposefully tank the U21s' season.
Other more general things needs to be done to help U21 players. I do hope the Connacht Council don't play Connacht U21 matches the Saturday before league matches next season, though. Wednesday is fine enough if there's senior games on at the weekend.
Do you have to keep on quoting eachother? It takes about half an hour to scroll through your previous posts to read your new one!
You've made my point for me in your post Syferus. You're already talking abut prioritising the 21's over the seniors.
You can' expect the GAA to prioritise a competition that generates little or nothing in terms of revenue.
You can't mix it with the big boys from Div 3. You should have enough players in your senior pool now if they are as good as you say they are.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 06, 2013, 04:33:37 PM
If underage success was to be a very good bearer of future success, then Tyrone should not be underdogs going into the Senior game with Mayo on the 25th August. Within the last ten years Tyrone have won three All-Ireland and five Ulster titles - expand that to 15 years and that is five All-Irelands and eight Ulster titles. What Tyrone's problem has been in recent years is that unlike the exceptional crop that came through in the late 90's & early 2000's, Tyrone have struggled to bring players through at U21 level with a championship record to show for it. Tyrone should have been strong contenders for Ulster and All-Ireland U21 championship this year based on winning the same two titles at minor level in 2010, but they went out rather tamely to Donegal in the first round in Ulster.
Indiana has a point.
Mayo have made two U21 AI finals (wining one) in recent times and that laid the template for the current squad. They also made one of those minor finals Tyrone won and only lost it by millimetres.
U21 is a far better barometer than minor for senior success so it's Mayo that have the better under-age pedigree in that match-up.
Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2013, 04:38:52 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 06, 2013, 04:33:37 PM
If underage success was to be a very good bearer of future success, then Tyrone should not be underdogs going into the Senior game with Mayo on the 25th August. Within the last ten years Tyrone have won three All-Ireland and five Ulster titles - expand that to 15 years and that is five All-Irelands and eight Ulster titles. What Tyrone's problem has been in recent years is that unlike the exceptional crop that came through in the late 90's & early 2000's, Tyrone have struggled to bring players through at U21 level with a championship record to show for it. Tyrone should have been strong contenders for Ulster and All-Ireland U21 championship this year based on winning the same two titles at minor level in 2010, but they went out rather tamely to Donegal in the first round in Ulster.
Indiana has a point.
Mayo have three U21 AIs that laid the template for the current squad and made one of those minor finals Tyrone won and only lost it by millimetres.
Mayo only won one U-21 All-Ireland in 2006. Although quite a few of their current team came from that side. Lost the final in 04. You can probably discount losing the final in 01 as it was too long ago to be relevant.
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Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2013, 04:38:52 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 06, 2013, 04:33:37 PM
If underage success was to be a very good bearer of future success, then Tyrone should not be underdogs going into the Senior game with Mayo on the 25th August. Within the last ten years Tyrone have won three All-Ireland and five Ulster titles - expand that to 15 years and that is five All-Irelands and eight Ulster titles. What Tyrone's problem has been in recent years is that unlike the exceptional crop that came through in the late 90's & early 2000's, Tyrone have struggled to bring players through at U21 level with a championship record to show for it. Tyrone should have been strong contenders for Ulster and All-Ireland U21 championship this year based on winning the same two titles at minor level in 2010, but they went out rather tamely to Donegal in the first round in Ulster.
Indiana has a point.
Mayo have three U21 AIs that laid the template for the current squad and made one of those minor finals Tyrone won and only lost it by millimetres.
Mayo only won one U-21 All-Ireland in 2006. Although quite a few of their current team came from that side. Lost the final in 04. You can probably discount losing the final in 01 as it was too long ago to be relevant.
Yeah, confusing All-Irelands with AI finals there. It's a bad idea to make the case Mayo have a poor under-age pedigree, a lot of their success now is built on the back of those teams.
Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2013, 04:38:52 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 06, 2013, 04:33:37 PM
If underage success was to be a very good bearer of future success, then Tyrone should not be underdogs going into the Senior game with Mayo on the 25th August. Within the last ten years Tyrone have won three All-Ireland and five Ulster titles - expand that to 15 years and that is five All-Irelands and eight Ulster titles. What Tyrone's problem has been in recent years is that unlike the exceptional crop that came through in the late 90's & early 2000's, Tyrone have struggled to bring players through at U21 level with a championship record to show for it. Tyrone should have been strong contenders for Ulster and All-Ireland U21 championship this year based on winning the same two titles at minor level in 2010, but they went out rather tamely to Donegal in the first round in Ulster.
Indiana has a point.
Mayo have three U21 AI finals (winnng one) and that laid the template for the current squad and made one of those minor finals Tyrone won and only lost it by millimetres.
U21 is a far better barometer than minor for senior success so it's Mayo that have the better under-age pedigree in that match-up.
I hardly think the 2004 and 2001 all-ireland u21 finals have any relevance now!
Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2013, 04:48:10 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2013, 04:38:52 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 06, 2013, 04:33:37 PM
If underage success was to be a very good bearer of future success, then Tyrone should not be underdogs going into the Senior game with Mayo on the 25th August. Within the last ten years Tyrone have won three All-Ireland and five Ulster titles - expand that to 15 years and that is five All-Irelands and eight Ulster titles. What Tyrone's problem has been in recent years is that unlike the exceptional crop that came through in the late 90's & early 2000's, Tyrone have struggled to bring players through at U21 level with a championship record to show for it. Tyrone should have been strong contenders for Ulster and All-Ireland U21 championship this year based on winning the same two titles at minor level in 2010, but they went out rather tamely to Donegal in the first round in Ulster.
Indiana has a point.
Mayo have three U21 AI finals (winnng one) and that laid the template for the current squad and made one of those minor finals Tyrone won and only lost it by millimetres.
U21 is a far better barometer than minor for senior success so it's Mayo that have the better under-age pedigree in that match-up.
I hardly think the 2004 and 2001 all-ireland u21 finals have any relevance now!
Andy and Dillon were on the 2004 team it and are key leaders on the current senior team. Would have to check if there are any more survivors, maybe Clarke was on it too, but those same structures obviously fed into the 2006 team's success.
Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2013, 04:52:07 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2013, 04:48:10 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2013, 04:38:52 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 06, 2013, 04:33:37 PM
If underage success was to be a very good bearer of future success, then Tyrone should not be underdogs going into the Senior game with Mayo on the 25th August. Within the last ten years Tyrone have won three All-Ireland and five Ulster titles - expand that to 15 years and that is five All-Irelands and eight Ulster titles. What Tyrone's problem has been in recent years is that unlike the exceptional crop that came through in the late 90's & early 2000's, Tyrone have struggled to bring players through at U21 level with a championship record to show for it. Tyrone should have been strong contenders for Ulster and All-Ireland U21 championship this year based on winning the same two titles at minor level in 2010, but they went out rather tamely to Donegal in the first round in Ulster.
Indiana has a point.
Mayo have three U21 AI finals (winnng one) and that laid the template for the current squad and made one of those minor finals Tyrone won and only lost it by millimetres.
U21 is a far better barometer than minor for senior success so it's Mayo that have the better under-age pedigree in that match-up.
I hardly think the 2004 and 2001 all-ireland u21 finals have any relevance now!
Andy and Dillon were on the 2004 team it and are key leaders on the current senior team. Would have to check if there are any more survivors, maybe Clarke was on it too, but those same structures obviously fed into the 2006 team's success.
Debatable. The 2006 team was absolutely exceptional. Must have got 9 seniors off it at least.
Rare as hen's teeth that.
Mayo are a Div 1 outfit so only need sporadic success at 21 to keep them going at the top of the table.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2013, 03:39:47 PM
I think the 21's would have a bigger impact on your campaign as they are ones who are going to have to provide the extra class you need at senior level because a lot of your current crop aren't going to provide that.
In our last senior championship game we started with two teenagers and 9 players that were between the ages of 20-25 the only real experienced players we had was Ian Kilbride,Cathal Cregg,Sean McDermott and Karol Mannion so are you saying we should drop those four guys and replace them with more U-21s?
Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2013, 04:57:02 PM
Debatable. The 2006 team was absolutely exceptional. Must have got 9 seniors off it at least.
Mayo won four in row Connacht U-21 titles in 2006 to 2009 i'd say a fair few of their senior panel is made up from those four teams now. They developed a great consistency at underage level which Horan has now carried through to senior level & remember around 10 of Mayos side on Sunday started in those defeats against Longford,Sligo in 2010 other managers wouldn't have kept faith with those players.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 06, 2013, 04:26:44 PM
Do you have to keep on quoting eachother? It takes about half an hour to scroll through your previous posts to read your new one!
+1
Quote from: ross4life on August 06, 2013, 06:07:47 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2013, 03:39:47 PM
I think the 21's would have a bigger impact on your campaign as they are ones who are going to have to provide the extra class you need at senior level because a lot of your current crop aren't going to provide that.
In our last senior championship game we started with two teenagers and 9 players that were between the ages of 20-25 the only real experienced players we had was Ian Kilbride,Cathal Cregg,Sean McDermott and Karol Mannion so are you saying we should drop those four guys and replace them with more U-21s?
Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2013, 04:57:02 PM
Debatable. The 2006 team was absolutely exceptional. Must have got 9 seniors off it at least.
Mayo won four in row Connacht U-21 titles in 2006 to 2009 i'd say a fair few of their senior panel is made up from those four teams now. They developed a great consistency at underage level which Horan has now carried through to senior level & remember around 10 of Mayos side on Sunday started in those defeats against Longford,Sligo in 2010 other managers wouldn't have kept faith with those players.
Honestly of your older players Cregg is the only one I really rate highly. Kilbride struggles on pacey defenders. Mannion was a fine player but not as good now in my view. Still do a job though.
the 20-25 thing means nothing to me. Inter county careers in most cases are near over at 28/29 these days.
At 22 you should be well able to make a huge impact at this level. (if you're good enough). I marvel looking at some of the 19/20 year olds these days at how well conditioned they are. At 22 you're a full grown man in my view.
I'm expecting big things from Roscommon next year based on what Rossie posters are saying. If they're that good then it should start filtering through. this idea that it takes 10 years is balderdash in my view if the young players are good enough.
This year is last chance saloon for a lot of those same Mayo players. As regards keeping faith with them. A lot of them have been top players over the years. Mayo's problem has always been the sum of the parts rather then the individual talent. This time round they have an honest team.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2013, 09:04:18 PM
Quote from: ross4life on August 06, 2013, 06:07:47 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2013, 03:39:47 PM
I think the 21's would have a bigger impact on your campaign as they are ones who are going to have to provide the extra class you need at senior level because a lot of your current crop aren't going to provide that.
In our last senior championship game we started with two teenagers and 9 players that were between the ages of 20-25 the only real experienced players we had was Ian Kilbride,Cathal Cregg,Sean McDermott and Karol Mannion so are you saying we should drop those four guys and replace them with more U-21s?
Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2013, 04:57:02 PM
Debatable. The 2006 team was absolutely exceptional. Must have got 9 seniors off it at least.
Mayo won four in row Connacht U-21 titles in 2006 to 2009 i'd say a fair few of their senior panel is made up from those four teams now. They developed a great consistency at underage level which Horan has now carried through to senior level & remember around 10 of Mayos side on Sunday started in those defeats against Longford,Sligo in 2010 other managers wouldn't have kept faith with those players.
Honestly of your older players Cregg is the only one I really rate highly. Kilbride struggles on pacey defenders. Mannion was a fine player but not as good now in my view. Still do a job though.
the 20-25 thing means nothing to me. Inter county careers in most cases are near over at 28/29 these days.
At 22 you should be well able to make a huge impact at this level. (if you're good enough). I marvel looking at some of the 19/20 year olds these days at how well conditioned they are. At 22 you're a full grown man in my view.
I'm expecting big things from Roscommon next year based on what Rossie posters are saying. If they're that good then it should start filtering through. this idea that it takes 10 years is balderdash in my view if the young players are good enough.
This year is last chance saloon for a lot of those same Mayo players. As regards keeping faith with them. A lot of them have been top players over the years. Mayo's problem has always been the sum of the parts rather then the individual talent. This time round they have an honest team.
Y'see, you're not getting how much of a reset button was pushed in 2009 after Maughan's era left behind a smouldering wreck.
A lot of key players (as in once-in-a-generation players) retired and we had to fill the team with a lot of new players, some older but new to starting senior, some just plain raw and some very young. Between 2009-2011 we made steady progress building a team under Fergie but when he stepped down we didn't handle the transition to the new manager well and the year was pretty disastrous, albeit were were still likely only a couple Donie Shine frees away from promotion (against Longford) and licked Armagh after the Galway debacle.
This year Evans was hamstrung by a very late appointment (November), no chance to see the club championship, a panel full to the brim of college players and injuries to key players like Shine, Ward and Cregg in the league. We still finished strong and despite the Mayo tanking we showed signs of progress in the Tyrone game. Basically we've ended this season by getting rid of the bad diesel we amassed in 2012.
Make no mistake, next year is a big year for Roscommon, but we have no reason to be impatient in those circumstances. I have no doubt the results will come if we get steady management and adequate funding from the board.
Think it would be a disaster for both Cavan and Roscommon, if they are not promoted from Division 3 next year. Playing better Quality teams on a regular basis is the only way of bringing on the younger players.
I'll take you on face value on that Syerfus.
I will look with interest at Roscommon over the next year or two.
Enjoyed the debate anyway even if we don't agree on everything.
In the meantime lads we will win the AI - hopefully beating our neighbours in the final. Will set the scene nicely for the big one.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2013, 09:04:18 PM
Honestly of your older players Cregg is the only one I really rate highly. Kilbride struggles on pacey defenders. Mannion was a fine player but not as good now in my view. Still do a job though.
the 20-25 thing means nothing to me. Inter county careers in most cases are near over at 28/29 these days.
At 22 you should be well able to make a huge impact at this level. (if you're good enough). I marvel looking at some of the 19/20 year olds these days at how well conditioned they are. At 22 you're a full grown man in my view.
I'm expecting big things from Roscommon next year based on what Rossie posters are saying. If they're that good then it should start filtering through. this idea that it takes 10 years is balderdash in my view if the young players are good enough.
This year is last chance saloon for a lot of those same Mayo players. As regards keeping faith with them. A lot of them have been top players over the years. Mayo's problem has always been the sum of the parts rather then the individual talent. This time round they have an honest team.
I think you are mixing Ian,Senan Kilbride up and Senan isn't as slow as he appears. As i said already a lot of our players are only finding their feet at senior level & they have to be given the chance before they are judged. Be honest are you really expecting big things from what Syferus says right? because you will hardly get that from my posts or from the other Roscommon posters on here.
Balderdash or not in some cases it takes longer than others. Take our 1982 U-21 team for example, they reached the AI final however it took those players that went on to play senior football until 1990 to win a Connacht title.
Not sure about the last chance saloon comment, no Mayo player is anywhere near retirement and the only way they will only fade next year if they happen to win Sam this September though think your lot will probably stop that from happening.
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 06, 2013, 09:33:06 PM
Think it would be a disaster for both Cavan and Roscommon, if they are not promoted from Division 3 next year. Playing better Quality teams on a regular basis is the only way of bringing on the younger players.
True both will need to get out of div 3 though Wexford,Longford,Fermanagh will also be pushing hard for promotion & it's going to be another dogfight division, our neighbours Sligo might be in the mix as well if they appoint the right manager.
Quote from: ross4life on August 06, 2013, 10:04:56 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2013, 09:04:18 PM
Honestly of your older players Cregg is the only one I really rate highly. Kilbride struggles on pacey defenders. Mannion was a fine player but not as good now in my view. Still do a job though.
the 20-25 thing means nothing to me. Inter county careers in most cases are near over at 28/29 these days.
At 22 you should be well able to make a huge impact at this level. (if you're good enough). I marvel looking at some of the 19/20 year olds these days at how well conditioned they are. At 22 you're a full grown man in my view.
I'm expecting big things from Roscommon next year based on what Rossie posters are saying. If they're that good then it should start filtering through. this idea that it takes 10 years is balderdash in my view if the young players are good enough.
This year is last chance saloon for a lot of those same Mayo players. As regards keeping faith with them. A lot of them have been top players over the years. Mayo's problem has always been the sum of the parts rather then the individual talent. This time round they have an honest team.
I think you are mixing Ian,Senan Kilbride up and Senan isn't as slow as he appears. As i said already a lot of our players are only finding their feet at senior level & they have to given the chance before they are judged. Be honest are you really expecting big things from what Syferus says right? because you will hardly get that from my posts or from the other Roscommon posters on here.
Balderdash or not in some cases it takes longer than others. Take our 1982 U-21 team for example, they reached the AI final however it took those players that went on to play senior football until 1990 to win a Connacht title.
Not sure about the last chance saloon comment, no Mayo player is anywhere near retirement and the only way they will only fade next year if they happen to win Sam this September though think your lot will probably stop that from happening.
I don't see where I'm making any big proclaimations about our prospects?
So if it isn't you Syferus then who is Indiana talking about?
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I'm expecting big things from Roscommon next year based on what Rossie posters are saying.
Quote from: ross4life on August 06, 2013, 10:22:27 PM
So if it isn't you Syferus then who is Indiana talking about?
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I'm expecting big things from Roscommon next year based on what Rossie posters are saying.
But where am I saying that? If by big things he means having a good shot at promotion to D2, sure, but who is expecting us to win Connacht next year or even make the last eight? We could make hay if we got a favourable draw but that is a secondary concern next year.
D2 is the priority for the year and we shouldn't even be thinking about the championship, we need to treat the league as our championship next season.
Here's some photos from yesterday - usually if we're doing mighty there's an inverse amount of photographs taken but I think I managed to get a few good ones from the ones I did take:
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I noticed Fergie wears a Sierra era Bainisteoir top, could it be a lucky souvenir from 2006 or 2010?
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Kildare's programming must have been accidentally switched to rugby mode:
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The first Roscommon goal scored yesterday afternoon:
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This lad seems pretty good:
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I love the ladeen decked out in all the Ros gear waving a flag twice his size:
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Some cynical stuff there by John Gannon, decking two poor Kildare bucks at once:
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Tadgh O'R practising his tackling technique on Cathal Compton:
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Quote from: ross4life on August 06, 2013, 10:09:11 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 06, 2013, 09:33:06 PM
Think it would be a disaster for both Cavan and Roscommon, if they are not promoted from Division 3 next year. Playing better Quality teams on a regular basis is the only way of bringing on the younger players.
True both will need to get out of div 3 though Wexford,Longford,Fermanagh will also be pushing hard for promotion & it's going to be another dogfight division, our neighbours Sligo might be in the mix as well if they appoint the right manager.
+ 1.
We'll have it all to do but it has to be priority to get up.
Haven't the time nor the inclination to open up all the Sufferus posts so whatever he said please everybody just ignore him.
He's banging on about Ros winning Sam, minor and u21 from next year onwards...
..and all games will be played in the Hyde, the best, most fantabulous stadium in the world
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 08, 2013, 11:52:55 AM
He's banging on about Ros winning Sam, minor and u21 from next year onwards...
Minor this year would do just grand ......
for a startSaw the highlights of the Kildare game on TG4 last night.
The Kildare defending and goalkeeping were not exactly of the highest order :o
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 08, 2013, 11:52:55 AM
He's banging on about Ros winning Sam, minor and u21 from next year onwards...
He reminds me of that lad who stands at the top of Henry Street with the megaphone preaching about the Bible
Quote from: INDIANA on August 13, 2013, 03:46:53 PM
He reminds me of that lad who stands at the top of Henry Street with the megaphone preaching about the Bible
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 08, 2013, 12:26:33 PM
..and all games will be played in the Hyde, the best, most fantabulous stadium in the world
And you remind me of Mikey.
Quote from: Syferus on August 13, 2013, 03:51:41 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 13, 2013, 03:46:53 PM
He reminds me of that lad who stands at the top of Henry Street with the megaphone preaching about the Bible
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 08, 2013, 12:26:33 PM
..and all games will be played in the Hyde, the best, most fantabulous stadium in the world
And you remind me of Mikey.
Go on, tell us more about "Ballagh" and the Hyde. Its mighty banter when you go on about them.
Go on, you know you want to.
Tyrone will take care of Roscommon.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 14, 2013, 08:34:27 AM
Tyrone will take care of Roscommon.
Typical Tyrone attitude - we'll 'take care' of the other team, not 'we'll win the match'.
Two Ulster teams v two Connacht teams left. There are no form lines to go on as no teams from either province have come up against each other yet so it's all to play for. Both provincial finals were tight enough so it would be no surprise to find the AI final is a repeat as the outcomes of the semis should hinge on which province is stronger overall.
Mayo GAA
Enda Gilvarry has made one change to the Mayo Minor Football Team from that which defeated Westmeath in the All Ireland Minor Football Championship Quarter-Final a number of weeks ago. Seamus Cunniffe comes into the side in place of Ronan Finn. The Mayo Minor Football Team to face Monaghan in the Electric Ireland All Ireland Minor Football Championship Semi-Final next Sunday 25th August at 1.30p.m. in Croke Park is as follows:
1. Mark Mulligan - Claremorris
2. Eddie Doran - Achill
3. Seamus Cunniffe - Ballaghaderreen
4. David Kenny - Aghamore
5. Michael Hall - Breaffy
6. Stephen Coen - Hollymount/Carramore
7. Sean Conlon - Castlebar Mitchels
8. Val Roughneen - Balla
9. Diarmuid O'Connor - Ballintubber
10. Conor Loftus - Crossmolina
11. Michael Plunkett - Ballintubber
12. Cian Hanley - Ballaghaderreen
13. Darragh Doherty - Kilmaine
14. Liam Irwin - Breaffy
15. Tommy Conroy - Kiltane
16. Matthew Flanagan - Balla
17. Hugh Cafferty - Crossmolina
18. Kevin Jordan - Mayo Gaels
19. Ronan Finn - Claremorris
20. Padraig Prendergast - Louisburgh
21. Brian Walsh - Ballintubber
22. Fionán Duffy - Claremorris
23. James Langan - Knockmore
24. Conor Byrne - Moy Davitts
Enda Gilvarry - Manager
James Mitchell - Coach
Eoin Sweeney - Selector
Kevin Walsh - Selector
Martin Costello - Selector
David Lowther - Physio
James Harrison - Doctor
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 22, 2013, 10:01:59 PM
The Mayo West Roscommon Minor Football Team to face Monaghan in the Electric Ireland All Ireland Minor Football Championship Semi-Final next Sunday 25th August at 1.30p.m. in Croke Park is as follows:
1. Mark Mulligan - Claremorris
2. Eddie Doran - Achill
3. Seamus Cunniffe - Ballaghaderreen4. David Kenny - Aghamore
5. Michael Hall - Breaffy
6. Stephen Coen - Hollymount/Carramore
7. Sean Conlon - Castlebar Mitchels
8. Val Roughneen - Balla
9. Diarmuid O'Connor - Ballintubber
10. Conor Loftus - Crossmolina
11. Michael Plunkett - Ballintubber
12. Cian Hanley - Ballaghaderreen13. Darragh Doherty - Kilmaine
14. Liam Irwin - Breaffy
15. Tommy Conroy - Kiltane
16. Matthew Flanagan - Balla
17. Hugh Cafferty - Crossmolina
18. Kevin Jordan - Mayo Gaels
19. Ronan Finn - Claremorris
20. Padraig Prendergast - Louisburgh
21. Brian Walsh - Ballintubber
22. Fionán Duffy - Claremorris
23. James Langan - Knockmore
24. Conor Byrne - Moy Davitts
Enda Gilvarry - Manager
James Mitchell - Coach
Eoin Sweeney - Selector
Kevin Walsh - Selector
Martin Costello - Selector
David Lowther - Physio
James Harrison - Doctor
Just to set the record straight ;D >:(
Quote from: Rossfan on August 22, 2013, 10:06:39 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 22, 2013, 10:01:59 PM
The Mayo West Roscommon Minor Football Team to face Monaghan in the Electric Ireland All Ireland Minor Football Championship Semi-Final next Sunday 25th August at 1.30p.m. in Croke Park is as follows:
1. Mark Mulligan - Claremorris
2. Eddie Doran - Achill
3. Seamus Cunniffe - Ballaghaderreen4. David Kenny - Aghamore
5. Michael Hall - Breaffy
6. Stephen Coen - Hollymount/Carramore
7. Sean Conlon - Castlebar Mitchels
8. Val Roughneen - Balla
9. Diarmuid O'Connor - Ballintubber
10. Conor Loftus - Crossmolina
11. Michael Plunkett - Ballintubber
12. Cian Hanley - Ballaghaderreen13. Darragh Doherty - Kilmaine
14. Liam Irwin - Breaffy
15. Tommy Conroy - Kiltane
16. Matthew Flanagan - Balla
17. Hugh Cafferty - Crossmolina
18. Kevin Jordan - Mayo Gaels
19. Ronan Finn - Claremorris
20. Padraig Prendergast - Louisburgh
21. Brian Walsh - Ballintubber
22. Fionán Duffy - Claremorris
23. James Langan - Knockmore
24. Conor Byrne - Moy Davitts
Enda Gilvarry - Manager
James Mitchell - Coach
Eoin Sweeney - Selector
Kevin Walsh - Selector
Martin Costello - Selector
David Lowther - Physio
James Harrison - Doctor
Just to set the record straight ;D >:(
You Rossies are getting pathetic at this stage.
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Is Ballaghaderreen situation like Texans playing for Mexico in the world cup?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 22, 2013, 10:15:27 PM
Is Ballaghaderreen situation like Texans playing for Mexico in the world cup?
More like Norn Iron, natives support Mayo, colonial blow-ins Roscommon. Mayo majority.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 22, 2013, 10:15:27 PM
Is Ballaghaderreen situation like Texans playing for Mexico in the world cup?
Nah, Mexico are quite good.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 22, 2013, 10:20:24 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 22, 2013, 10:15:27 PM
Is Ballaghaderreen situation like Texans playing for Mexico in the world cup?
More like Norn Iron, natives support Mayo, colonial blow-ins Roscommon. Mayo majority.
Bullsh1t as usual. ;D
We'll have to get Syfín to go around the town counting how many houses have rhu flags and how many proud patriotic people refuse to have any red/green thingys on their premises.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 22, 2013, 10:25:28 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 22, 2013, 10:20:24 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 22, 2013, 10:15:27 PM
Is Ballaghaderreen situation like Texans playing for Mexico in the world cup?
More like Norn Iron, natives support Mayo, colonial blow-ins Roscommon. Mayo majority.
Bullsh1t as usual. ;D
We'll have to get Syfín to go around the town counting how many houses have rhu flags and how many proud patriotic people refuse to have any red/green thingys on their premises.
'Patriotic' refers to one's country, perhaps you meant idiotic?
Quote from: muppet on August 22, 2013, 10:26:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 22, 2013, 10:25:28 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 22, 2013, 10:20:24 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 22, 2013, 10:15:27 PM
Is Ballaghaderreen situation like Texans playing for Mexico in the world cup?
More like Norn Iron, natives support Mayo, colonial blow-ins Roscommon. Mayo majority.
Bullsh1t as usual. ;D
We'll have to get Syfín to go around the town counting how many houses have rhu flags and how many proud patriotic people refuse to have any red/green thingys on their premises.
'Patriotic' refers to one's country, perhaps you meant idiotic?
It's spelt Division 3.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 22, 2013, 10:06:39 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 22, 2013, 10:01:59 PM
The Mayo West Roscommon Minor Football Team to face Monaghan in the Electric Ireland All Ireland Minor Football Championship Semi-Final next Sunday 25th August at 1.30p.m. in Croke Park is as follows:
1. Mark Mulligan - Claremorris
2. Eddie Doran - Achill
3. Seamus Cunniffe - Ballaghaderreen4. David Kenny - Aghamore
5. Michael Hall - Breaffy
6. Stephen Coen - Hollymount/Carramore
7. Sean Conlon - Castlebar Mitchels
8. Val Roughneen - Balla
9. Diarmuid O'Connor - Ballintubber
10. Conor Loftus - Crossmolina
11. Michael Plunkett - Ballintubber
12. Cian Hanley - Ballaghaderreen13. Darragh Doherty - Kilmaine
14. Liam Irwin - Breaffy
15. Tommy Conroy - Kiltane
16. Matthew Flanagan - Balla
17. Hugh Cafferty - Crossmolina
18. Kevin Jordan - Mayo Gaels
19. Ronan Finn - Claremorris
20. Padraig Prendergast - Louisburgh
21. Brian Walsh - Ballintubber
22. Fionán Duffy - Claremorris
23. James Langan - Knockmore
24. Conor Byrne - Moy Davitts
Enda Gilvarry - Manager
James Mitchell - Coach
Eoin Sweeney - Selector
Kevin Walsh - Selector
Martin Costello - Selector
David Lowther - Physio
James Harrison - Doctor
Just to set the record straight ;D >:(
So, you'll be happy if Roscommon lands two AI medals this year and you want us all to know. Or maybe you just look for any excuse to stick another effin' smiley or two up on the board.
Either way, you'll have to call to Ballagh if ye want to see any silverware this year. (or any other for that matter!)
;D ;D (I know, I know but |I couldn't resist it.)
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 22, 2013, 10:20:24 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 22, 2013, 10:15:27 PM
Is Ballaghaderreen situation like Texans playing for Mexico in the world cup?
More like Norn Iron, natives support Mayo, colonial blow-ins Roscommon. Mayo majority.
Would hardly be blow-ins when the town has been part of Roscommon for over a century?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 22, 2013, 10:38:33 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 22, 2013, 10:20:24 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 22, 2013, 10:15:27 PM
Is Ballaghaderreen situation like Texans playing for Mexico in the world cup?
More like Norn Iron, natives support Mayo, colonial blow-ins Roscommon. Mayo majority.
Would hardly be blow-ins when the town has been part of Roscommon for over a century?
Each generation of Rossie have been blow-ins. Until they adopt the native Green and Red they will always be blow-ins.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 22, 2013, 10:38:33 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 22, 2013, 10:20:24 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 22, 2013, 10:15:27 PM
Is Ballaghaderreen situation like Texans playing for Mexico in the world cup?
More like Norn Iron, natives support Mayo, colonial blow-ins Roscommon. Mayo majority.
Would hardly be blow-ins when the town has been part of Roscommon for over a century?
Sure Ballagh's main man was a Roscommon soccer star, playing with such Roscommon greats as Mike Finneran and his (15 times removed) cousin Seanie Mc.
The only thing in majority in Ballagh is pubs. Plenty of Sligo boys from Monasteraden have Ballagh as their local too so it's a wonderfully muddy tapestry/travesty.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 22, 2013, 10:42:52 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 22, 2013, 10:38:33 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 22, 2013, 10:20:24 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 22, 2013, 10:15:27 PM
Is Ballaghaderreen situation like Texans playing for Mexico in the world cup?
More like Norn Iron, natives support Mayo, colonial blow-ins Roscommon. Mayo majority.
Would hardly be blow-ins when the town has been part of Roscommon for over a century?
Each generation of Rossie have been blow-ins. Until they adopt the native Green and Red they will always be blow-ins.
If thats the case should all Texans adopt the native green, white, and red?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 22, 2013, 10:38:33 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 22, 2013, 10:20:24 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 22, 2013, 10:15:27 PM
Is Ballaghaderreen situation like Texans playing for Mexico in the world cup?
More like Norn Iron, natives support Mayo, colonial blow-ins Roscommon. Mayo majority.
Would hardly be blow-ins when the town has been part of Roscommon for over a century?
So do you see yourself as British their Captain Obivious since the six counties has be pushed into the United Kingdom since the act of union? You would be the first Armagh man I would have encountered that thought this way if you do!!!!!
You're not on about the 'current' Roscommon Mike Finneran are you?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 22, 2013, 10:51:41 PM
You're not on about the 'current' Roscommon Mike Finneran are you?
Of course. A great in his own time. Roscommon's own Peter Crouch.
Poor lads like Andy, Cian (his big bro too) and Seamus are modern day Sean Kilbrides, forced to play in colours not matched to their souls by way of crooked Ballagh by-laws, enforced by the West Side Mafia (as famously glorified by the former graffiti on the walls down the back alley beside the bottle banks), chomping at the bit like Killer to plot a course towards playing in Primrose and Blue.
Never lose faith, my Ros brothers.
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 22, 2013, 10:50:58 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 22, 2013, 10:38:33 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 22, 2013, 10:20:24 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 22, 2013, 10:15:27 PM
Is Ballaghaderreen situation like Texans playing for Mexico in the world cup?
More like Norn Iron, natives support Mayo, colonial blow-ins Roscommon. Mayo majority.
Would hardly be blow-ins when the town has been part of Roscommon for over a century?
So do you see yourself as British their Captain Obivious since the six counties has be pushed into the United Kingdom since the act of union? You would be the first Armagh man I would have encountered that thought this way if you do!!!!!
I think British is Wales,Scotland,England. Whether it liked or not the six counties are part of the United kingdom and they are also part of the island of Ireland. You can choose which soccer team you want to play for and it's united Ireland rugby team.
Syferus if Say, hypothetically of course, the Govt decided to put Ballagh in Sligo next week, would you consider yourself a Sligonian?
Quote from: larryin89 on August 22, 2013, 11:28:39 PM
Syferus if Say, hypothetically of course, the Govt decided to put Ballagh in Sligo next week, would you consider yourself a Sligonian?
I never said I lived in the town itself but don't worry Larryin, we won't be throwing away our town in the hap-hazard way the Rhubs did.
You don't sell your house and then get to keep it. Mayo peoples' attitude towards Ballagh is rooted in the entitlement culture that brought the country to its knees IMVHO.
Quote from: Syferus on August 22, 2013, 11:37:09 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 22, 2013, 11:28:39 PM
Syferus if Say, hypothetically of course, the Govt decided to put Ballagh in Sligo next week, would you consider yourself a Sligonian?
I never said I lived in the town itself but don't worry Larryin, we won't be throwing away our town in the hap-hazard way the Rhubs did.
You don't sell your house and then get to keep it. Mayo peoples' attitude towards Ballagh is rooted in the entitlement culture that brought the country to its knees IMVHO.
It was a landlord who wanted to line his own pockets not the people of Ballagh who threw the town into Roscommon hence the reason the gaa club stayed with Mayo. Trying to explain this to a Rossie is a fruitless as trying to teach a Rossie to swim ;D. Don't bother holding up Sean Kilbride as some sort of hero cause did you never find it unusual that he jumped ship from probably the worst era of intercounty teams for Mayo over to probably the Rossies best era of intercounty success since the forties?why did he take so long to switch over too?
So what if Andy Moran's dad is a dyed in the wool Rossie, Keith Higgins Dad is a proud Galwayman so should he play for Galway? Michael Murphy's dad is a proud Courrimla man so should Michael play for Mayo?
Any way enough of this shite and you can keep your powder dry for a potential Ros Mayo final in the minor and then you can let rip ;)
Quote from: Syferus on August 22, 2013, 11:37:09 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 22, 2013, 11:28:39 PM
Syferus if Say, hypothetically of course, the Govt decided to put Ballagh in Sligo next week, would you consider yourself a Sligonian?
I never said I lived in the town itself but don't worry Larryin, we won't be throwing away our town in the hap-hazard way the Rhubs did.
You don't sell your house and then get to keep it. Mayo peoples' attitude towards Ballagh is rooted in the entitlement culture that brought the country to its knees IMVHO.
Mayo did not sell Ballagh, a landlord changed it over in the British parliament so as to pay lower tax rate on his land, against the will of the native Mayo people. Defiant to this day, the Green and Red is the heart and brains of Ballagh, the Rossies are the tapeworm.
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 22, 2013, 11:47:10 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 22, 2013, 11:37:09 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 22, 2013, 11:28:39 PM
Syferus if Say, hypothetically of course, the Govt decided to put Ballagh in Sligo next week, would you consider yourself a Sligonian?
I never said I lived in the town itself but don't worry Larryin, we won't be throwing away our town in the hap-hazard way the Rhubs did.
You don't sell your house and then get to keep it. Mayo peoples' attitude towards Ballagh is rooted in the entitlement culture that brought the country to its knees IMVHO.
It was a landlord who wanted to line his own pockets not the people of Ballagh who threw the town into Roscommon hence the reason the gaa club stayed with Mayo. Trying to explain this to a Rossie is a fruitless as trying to teach a Rossie to swim ;D. Don't bother holding up Sean Kilbride as some sort of hero cause did you never find it unusual that he jumped ship from probably the worst era of intercounty teams for Mayo over to probably the Rossies best era of intercounty success since the forties?why did he take so long to switch over too?
So what if Andy Moran's dad is a dyed in the wool Rossie, Keith Higgins Dad is a proud Galwayman so should he play for Galway? Michael Murphy's dad is a proud Courrimla man so should Michael play for Mayo?
Any way enough of this shite and you can keep your powder dry for a potential Ros Mayo final in the minor and then you can let rip ;)
Sure he had to move clubs before it was even an option, such is the Darth Vader-like grip the West Side Mafia have on any semblance of fairness or logic in the town.
Seanín ended up joining St. Croan's in the real Ballintober (a town whose GAA members are proud of its Roscommon heritage) because he was running the old buck's farm and that's when he became eligible to play for his county. Later when Seanín moved to a little hamlet off the shore of Lough Ree - he was an army man stationed in Athlone - he set his loins to work, leading to his two sons claiming senior AI medals for a certain Roscommon club just last March. Ask the mighty man himself and he'll tell you he always saw himself as a Rossie but growing up the only county poor Seanín could play for was the arch enemy. Slave labour.
Quote...Kilbride summed up the town's dual personality when he recalled: "The first football outfit I bought was a Mayo jersey and Roscommon socks."...
The pain it must have brought him to wear that jersey is unimaginable. Only the socks made it bearable.
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 22, 2013, 11:47:10 PM
Don't bother holding up Sean Kilbride as some sort of hero cause did you never find it unusual that he jumped ship from probably the worst era of intercounty teams for Mayo over to probably the Rossies best era of intercounty success since the forties?why did he take so long to switch over too?
Sean didn't switch until his father died, he took over the family farm in Ballintober. Dermot Earley then asked Sean to play for his county.
To take one of Sean quotes.
"
Part of me was worried because it would have been seen as a controversial move at the time. But there was another part of me that was thinking that it would have fulfilled my father's wishes in many ways. And I also felt that I would be playing for my own county finally. Of course, the first game was against Mayo."
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 22, 2013, 10:37:04 PM
Either way, you'll have to call to Ballagh if ye want to see any silverware this year. (or any other for that matter!)
;D ;D (I know, I know but |I couldn't resist it.)
Was passing through Ballagh the other day a tourist (she must have been lost) asked me about the green and red flags in a Roscommon town. I said St Brigids became the first side from Roscommon to win the All Ireland last March & to honor that great success their flags/colours will stay up for the year ;D
Quote from: ross4life on August 23, 2013, 12:08:13 AM
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 22, 2013, 11:47:10 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 22, 2013, 10:37:04 PM
Either way, you'll have to call to Ballagh if ye want to see any silverware this year. (or any other for that matter!)
;D ;D (I know, I know but |I couldn't resist it.)
Was passing through Ballagh the other day a tourist (she must have been lost) asked me about the green and red flags in a Roscommon town. I said St Brigids became the first side from Roscommon to win the All Ireland last March & to honor that great success their flags/colours will stay up for the year ;D
Well that never happened.
Never seen a tourist in Ballagh in my life, they usually just close their eyes and head straight for the more scenic spots of Mayo.
Imagine Mayo's lost-lusted after collection of Sam being up-staged by Rossies celebrating a minor AI victory over Mayo. Andy arriving in to Durk's with Sam in hand only to find everyone in the Fiddler's toasting Roscommon's glory. Even when ye do win ye'd lose. Typical.
Quote from: Syferus on August 23, 2013, 12:25:13 AM
Imagine Mayo's lost-lusted after collection of Sam being up-staged by Rossies celebrating a minor AI victory over Mayo. Andy arriving in to Durk's with Sam in hand only to find everyone in the Fiddler's toasting Roscommon's glory. Even when ye do win ye'd lose. Typical.
You are seriously deluded if you think a minor title would upstage Sam.
It's as likely Mayo would have the minor title as it would Roscommon.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 23, 2013, 12:29:36 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 23, 2013, 12:25:13 AM
Imagine Mayo's lost-lusted after collection of Sam being up-staged by Rossies celebrating a minor AI victory over Mayo. Andy arriving in to Durk's with Sam in hand only to find everyone in the Fiddler's toasting Roscommon's glory. Even when ye do win ye'd lose. Typical.
You are seriously deluded if you think a minor title would upstage Sam.
It's as likely Mayo would have the minor title as it would Roscommon.
In a Roscommon town it would 8)
Quote from: Syferus on August 23, 2013, 12:31:06 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 23, 2013, 12:29:36 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 23, 2013, 12:25:13 AM
Imagine Mayo's lost-lusted after collection of Sam being up-staged by Rossies celebrating a minor AI victory over Mayo. Andy arriving in to Durk's with Sam in hand only to find everyone in the Fiddler's toasting Roscommon's glory. Even when ye do win ye'd lose. Typical.
You are seriously deluded if you think a minor title would upstage Sam.
It's as likely Mayo would have the minor title as it would Roscommon.
In a Roscommon town it would 8)
And why would we care in Mayo ???
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 23, 2013, 12:13:57 AM
Well that never happened.
It did happen & i don't take kindly to anyone calling me a liar.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 23, 2013, 12:20:21 AM
Never seen a tourist in Ballagh in my life, they usually just close their eyes and head straight for the more scenic spots of Mayo.
Along with the odd foreign tourist you also see the odd Mayo tourist in Ballagh. You can close your eyes or head to Mayo scenic spots for all you like but Ballagh is a forever will be a town from county Roscommon.
Now back to the topic of the thread.
Quote from: ross4life on August 23, 2013, 12:44:03 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 23, 2013, 12:13:57 AM
Well that never happened.
It did happen & i don't take kindly to anyone calling me a liar.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 23, 2013, 12:20:21 AM
Never seen a tourist in Ballagh in my life, they usually just close their eyes and head straight for the more scenic spots of Mayo.
Along with the odd foreign tourist you also see the odd Mayo tourist in Ballagh. You can close your eyes or head to Mayo scenic spots for all you like but Ballagh is a forever will be a town from county Roscommon.
Now back to the topic of the thread.
Forever, reaches back in time as well as forward, so that's a clear issue with the truth.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 23, 2013, 12:45:41 AM
Quote from: ross4life on August 23, 2013, 12:44:03 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 23, 2013, 12:13:57 AM
Well that never happened.
It did happen & i don't take kindly to anyone calling me a liar.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 23, 2013, 12:20:21 AM
Never seen a tourist in Ballagh in my life, they usually just close their eyes and head straight for the more scenic spots of Mayo.
Along with the odd foreign tourist you also see the odd Mayo tourist in Ballagh. You can close your eyes or head to Mayo scenic spots for all you like but Ballagh is a forever will be a town from county Roscommon.
Now back to the topic of the thread.
Forever, reaches back in time as well as forward, so that's a clear issue with the truth.
Yes you go back in time if you like, it won't change the fact of where the town is now & won't be be changed however someday the players may have the choice to choose which county they can play for.
Thats my final post on that topic carry on if you like...
How many Rossies on the Ballagh senior panel last year that won the moclair cup?
Quote from: larryin89 on August 23, 2013, 02:44:44 AM
How many Rossies on the Ballagh senior panel last year that won the moclair cup?
This should (not) answer your question.
(https://fbcdn-photos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1016634_10151585013494900_1300177313_n.jpg)
A metaphor for Ballagh.
Will there be extra time played in the minors if it ends in a draw?
It was like that last week in the hurling, would have thought it'd be a replay at this stage of the game
Definitely extra time.
Quote from: Syferus on August 22, 2013, 10:55:56 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 22, 2013, 10:51:41 PM
You're not on about the 'current' Roscommon Mike Finneran are you?
Of course. A great in his own time. Roscommon's own Peter Crouch.
Poor lads like Andy, Cian (his big bro too) and Seamus are modern day Sean Kilbrides, forced to play in colours not matched to their souls by way of crooked Ballagh by-laws, enforced by the West Side Mafia (as famously glorified by the former graffiti on the walls down the back alley beside the bottle banks), chomping at the bit like Killer to plot a course towards playing in Primrose and Blue.
Never lose faith, my Ros brothers.
A pity then, he's not regarded great by some of his relations.
Ya can pick yer friends but ya can't pick yer relations ;)
There was me thinking Monaghan were playing Mayo this weekend. Having looked at this thread anyone would think it was Mayo- Roscommon
Ye Monaghan bucks would want to start spakin up for yereselves ;)
Are ye confident or hopeful or without a chance at all?
Quote from: Rossfan on August 23, 2013, 01:09:02 PM
Ya can pick yer friends but ya can't pick yer relations ;)
But ya can pick your inlaws! :D
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 23, 2013, 01:25:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 23, 2013, 01:09:02 PM
Ya can pick yer friends but ya can't pick yer relations ;)
But ya can pick your inlaws! :D
Their kinda come with the package but if you were to look at them critically sure no one would get married ;D
Quote from: Syferus on August 23, 2013, 03:50:13 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 23, 2013, 02:44:44 AM
How many Rossies on the Ballagh senior panel last year that won the moclair cup?
This should (not) answer your question.
(https://fbcdn-photos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1016634_10151585013494900_1300177313_n.jpg)
A metaphor for Ballagh.
Is that Banty?
Quote from: Jinxy on August 23, 2013, 02:29:26 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 23, 2013, 03:50:13 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 23, 2013, 02:44:44 AM
How many Rossies on the Ballagh senior panel last year that won the moclair cup?
This should (not) answer your question.
(https://fbcdn-photos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1016634_10151585013494900_1300177313_n.jpg)
A metaphor for Ballagh.
Is that Banty?
Banty would never wear Asics, Jinxy.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 23, 2013, 01:16:33 PM
Ye Monaghan bucks would want to start spakin up for yereselves ;)
Are ye confident or hopeful or without a chance at all?
Confident enough, without feeling the need to sh!te talk on here all week! ;)
A high-scoring game in store I'd say. We'll need to improve in midfield though.
Quote from: Syferus on August 23, 2013, 03:50:13 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 23, 2013, 02:44:44 AM
How many Rossies on the Ballagh senior panel last year that won the moclair cup?
This should (not) answer your question.
(https://fbcdn-photos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1016634_10151585013494900_1300177313_n.jpg)
A metaphor for Ballagh.
Young o Donnell, Kilmovee really if the truth be told, not sure what you are at here.
Simple question, just a simple numerical answer will suffice.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 23, 2013, 03:15:45 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 23, 2013, 03:50:13 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 23, 2013, 02:44:44 AM
How many Rossies on the Ballagh senior panel last year that won the moclair cup?
This should (not) answer your question.
(https://fbcdn-photos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1016634_10151585013494900_1300177313_n.jpg)
A metaphor for Ballagh.
Young o Donnell, Kilmovee really if the truth be told, not sure what you are at here.
Simple question, just a simple numerical answer will suffice.
I blame this lad for all the shite they talk.
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSE8OGpm0-kdbHwemDqsQfgS9R1FLIv3dSZN5l_CRAK7UXFqgkBlw)
Monaghan hanging in there when Mayo should be out of sight.
They've finally made a switch around the middle. Mayo must have got 4 points just by sauntering in unopposed.
Ref is shocking but two very good teams. This looks like the best minor Mayo team I've seen in a long time.
Mayo sauntering away with it, far better up front. Rotten in the midfield, though, and that is keeping a wasteful Monaghan team alive.
Cian is a big loss for Mayo, best player on the field and full of invention. Looks to be a neck injury? Tough luck on the lad.
Broken collar bone apparently.
Monaghan are a lot better than what we have seen so far. A few tweaks here and there could make a game of it.
Quote from: Zulu on August 25, 2013, 02:12:42 PM
Broken collar bone apparently.
Ah fück. His season's done and dusted in that case. Definitely a lad for the future.
Quote from: Syferus on August 25, 2013, 02:17:21 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 25, 2013, 02:12:42 PM
Broken collar bone apparently.
Ah fück. His season's done and dusted in that case. Definitely a lad for the future.
He's a bit of a lightweight, would need to add a bit of muscle to the skin and bone.
Darragh Doherty having some game how many points now?
Poor goalkeeping thats the game as good as over now.
Game over now. Monaghan needed to improve not collapse. McCarthy the corner forward looks a class act
Thats a great Mayo team in fairness, Monaghan going to get tanked at this rate.
thought kepper got something on it first
As one sided All Ireland minor semi final as you are ever likely to see.
Massive gulf between the teams. Hopefully a repeat next weekend and an All-Connacht final becomes a reality.
Enjoy being ret hot favourites, lads!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 25, 2013, 02:25:29 PM
Thats a great Mayo team in fairness, Monaghan going to get tanked at this rate.
thought kepper got something on it first
You could even reasonably argue that they're only the third best team in Connacht. We had a previous game to help us get over the line against a hugely fancied Galway and we were very lucky to beat Roscommon in the Connacht final by hitting them for three goals at the start of both halves.
Quote from: Chimley on August 25, 2013, 02:57:33 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 25, 2013, 02:25:29 PM
Thats a great Mayo team in fairness, Monaghan going to get tanked at this rate.
thought kepper got something on it first
You could even reasonably argue that they're only the third best team in Connacht. We had a previous game to help us get over the line against a hugely fancied Galway and we were very lucky to beat Roscommon in the Connacht final by hitting them for three goals at the start of both halves.
Think I said it a few weeks ago that maybe 3 of the best 4 minor teams in the country this year were in Connacht. Mayo beat Galway after extra-time but had Galway edged that game I think they would have made the All-Ireland final. And obviously Roscommon get their chance next weekend.
The goal glut didn't happen for Monaghan today, that probably contributed to a false positive to the winning margin for Mayo.
But those Mayo kids can play a bit and probably deserved it. :)
Some performance by Mayo they simply blew the Ulster champions away. First time that Mayo seniors,Minors have reached the AI final in the same year?
Quote from: ross4life on August 25, 2013, 05:29:24 PM
Some performance by Mayo they simply blew the Ulster champions away. First time that Mayo seniors,Minors have reached the AI final in the same year?
Good question, I have a recollection of the minors playing Laois on final day in 96 or 97, but could've been a semi (I was generally on a drinking session weekend in those days).
Congrats Mayo.
Quote from: stephenite on August 25, 2013, 05:44:47 PM
Quote from: ross4life on August 25, 2013, 05:29:24 PM
Some performance by Mayo they simply blew the Ulster champions away. First time that Mayo seniors,Minors have reached the AI final in the same year?
Good question, I have a recollection of the minors playing Laois on final day in 96 or 97, but could've been a semi (I was generally on a drinking session weekend in those days).
must have been on a drinking session.Minors beaten in a semifinal both years
You're not far off the truth Galway BB, I had heard abt a month ago that the Ulster Minor championship was quiet poor this year.
But well done to our lads. I am of the view that there are 1 or 2 more good minor teams to come from Mayo in next 2 -3 years.
We'd better lose next weekend because how could we hope to even keep the ball kicked out to the greatest minor team ever seen.
Impressive performance by Mayo today. Roscommon won't fear Tyrone. I think it's quite possible Galway, Mayo and Ros are the 3 best minor teams in the country this year. Our lads will be kicking themselves for the soft goals conceded against Mayo in the first round in the Hyde.
I think a Mayo minor-senior double is on the cards
Quote from: galwayman on August 25, 2013, 08:24:55 PM
Impressive performance by Mayo today. Roscommon won't fear Tyrone. I think it's quite possible Galway, Mayo and Ros are the 3 best minor teams in the country this year. Our lads will be kicking themselves for the soft goals conceded against Mayo in the first round in the Hyde.
I think a Mayo minor-senior double is on the cards
Arrah sure we might as well give the semi a whirl. Mayo would find out the hard way that it's not easy to out-fox Fergie a second time if we can get a re-match.
Two extra-time Connacht semi-final losses is a tough pill for Galway to swallow, this year's team in particular did have AI-chasing potential.
Quote from: galwayman on August 25, 2013, 08:24:55 PM
Impressive performance by Mayo today. Roscommon won't fear Tyrone. I think it's quite possible Galway, Mayo and Ros are the 3 best minor teams in the country this year. Our lads will be kicking themselves for the soft goals conceded against Mayo in the first round in the Hyde.
I think a Mayo minor-senior double is on the cards
You could arguably say 3 of the best U-21 teams were from Connacht this year as well. While Ros will be favourites to join Mayo in minor final it would be foolish to write off Tyrone who over the last decade have better record at this level than anyone.
QuoteTwo extra-time Connacht semi-final losses is a tough pill for Galway to swallow, this year's team in particular did have AI-chasing potential.
Yeah that's football I guess. Last years team probably should have closed out the game against Ros in Tuam in normal time when 2 points up with time almost up. In fairness though Ros were probably the better team and that Galway team definitely were not good enough to win the AI.
This years crew would have given it a good rattle though I think if they'd got over Mayo.
Hopefully it will be an all-Connacht final this year anyway. But as you say blowitupref you couldn't write Tyrone off at all. I think it will be very close game next week
Quote from: Rossfan on August 25, 2013, 07:50:38 PM
We'd better lose next weekend because how could we hope to even keep the ball kicked out to the greatest minor team ever seen.
Bolloxology of the highest order Rossfan. Only a kick of the ball between them in July.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 26, 2013, 12:27:15 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 25, 2013, 07:50:38 PM
We'd better lose next weekend because how could we hope to even keep the ball kicked out to the greatest minor team ever seen.
Bolloxology of the highest order Rossfan. Only a kick of the ball between them in July.
But Mayo are so good in AI finals, Farr, what hope could Tyrone or ourselves ever have?
Quote from: Syferus on August 26, 2013, 12:30:35 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 26, 2013, 12:27:15 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 25, 2013, 07:50:38 PM
We'd better lose next weekend because how could we hope to even keep the ball kicked out to the greatest minor team ever seen.
Bolloxology of the highest order Rossfan. Only a kick of the ball between them in July.
But Mayo are so good in AI finals, Farr, what hope could Tyrone or ourselves ever have?
Syf you have a multi-personality issues in regards to all things Mayo. You are not sure if you hate us or want to be one of us.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 26, 2013, 12:51:11 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 26, 2013, 12:30:35 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 26, 2013, 12:27:15 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 25, 2013, 07:50:38 PM
We'd better lose next weekend because how could we hope to even keep the ball kicked out to the greatest minor team ever seen.
Bolloxology of the highest order Rossfan. Only a kick of the ball between them in July.
But Mayo are so good in AI finals, Farr, what hope could Tyrone or ourselves ever have?
Syf you have a multi-personality issues in regards to all things Mayo. You are not sure if you hate us or want to be one of us.
I'm happy to see Mayo win when we're not in the championship.
Ros
has designs on making the AI final and we wouldn't be turning up to lose to the eternal enemy on what could be their seniors' moment of glory.
Quote from: Syferus on August 26, 2013, 12:58:19 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 26, 2013, 12:51:11 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 26, 2013, 12:30:35 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 26, 2013, 12:27:15 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 25, 2013, 07:50:38 PM
We'd better lose next weekend because how could we hope to even keep the ball kicked out to the greatest minor team ever seen.
Bolloxology of the highest order Rossfan. Only a kick of the ball between them in July.
But Mayo are so good in AI finals, Farr, what hope could Tyrone or ourselves ever have?
Syf you have a multi-personality issues in regards to all things Mayo. You are not sure if you hate us or want to be one of us.
I'm happy to see Mayo win when we're not in the championship. Ros
has designs on making the AI final and we wouldn't be turning up to lose to the eternal enemy on what could be their seniors' moment of glory.
Where Mayo to lose both All-Ireland's but Roscommon were to win the minors I don't think Mayo folk would be too sore towards Roscommon, more disappointed we lost the games. In fact Roscommon winning would just probably get a fair play to them reaction.
Very dissappointed for the Monaghan lads, but congratulions to a very good Mayo team. Monaghan can be proud of their acheivements winning the Ulster league and championship. More importantly Monaghan have a number of players from this team who sould grace the senior side for a long time. Hopefully they are not rushed into senior ranks too soon.
The Monaghan management did get their line out wrong yesterday. The team's achilles heel of midfield and defence finally got exposed to the point that the team's wonderful forwards couldn't cover it up.
Mayo look very good going forward but I'd be very suspect of their defending.
That No. 13 is a class act
Rossies fancy their chances?
An all connacht final would be great. Clean sweep of the titles so far with brigids and galway u21s.
If Tyrone can hold Roscommon danger man Murtagh they will win. I think Mayo will win the All Ireland
Quote from: mad tan on August 26, 2013, 04:51:49 PM
If Tyrone can hold Roscommon danger man Murtagh they will win. I think Mayo will win the All Ireland
If you think Murtagh is all Tyrone have to worry about I hope they're listening.
Hi lads,
Tactical analysis piece on Mayo's win over Monaghan in the minor now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7579
Thanks,
Emmet
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2013, 01:25:46 PM
Rossies fancy their chances?
We haven't a ****ing hope.
But sure we'll try and keep th'oul ball kicked out for ye anyways.
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2013, 01:25:46 PM
Rossies fancy their chances?
Well both will feel they left a provincial title behind them & both have reached the semi final beating provincial champions. We will fancy our chances as much as Tyrone will i can imagine.
We have got within one score of Mayo twice this year so they know what to expect from us & If Tyrone are good enough to beat us then Mayo will be provided with better challenge than their last two games.
Best of luck to the Rossie on Sunday.
Alright Tyroniacs, forget about those Rhubarbs, now ye have to play a real Connacht superpower.
Think this match is very well poised. Both teams have had troubles with conceding goals and both are all about pulling a lot of men back and breaking forward. Both counties obviously have good underage pedigrees and will fancy their chances of getting a shot against one half of the Mayo tandem in the final.
How do the Tyrone people rate this year's team to previous crops? For us outside leaking silly goals it's one of our better teams, some good attacking corner-backs, Ronan Daly (brother of two of our senior starting HBs) captaining from wing-back and we're probably strongest in the middle with Tadgh O'Rourke and Cathal Compton being aided by Ultan Harney and Senan Farrell. Up front the two Diarmuids, McGann and Murtagh are our main point scorers and I expect Tyrone to be playing a sweeper on them at all times.
best of luck to Roscommon
Personally wouldn't have the greatest knowledge of the underage scene in Tyrone at the minute, however, I'm pretty sure we have exceeded most expectations so far this year. We have no real standout big name players e.g a Kyle Coney or Ronan O'Neill but there does appear to be a great battling spirit amongst the young lads. It took great character to come out and beat Kerry the way they did after the manner of the Monaghan defeat. We appear to have a wide spead of players contributing to our overall tallies which will, hopefully, make it harder for the Rossie management to execute a 'stopping' game plan. Anything from now on is bonus territory. I wonder will the run out in Croke Park against Kerry benefit our lads this weekend?
Our own run-out against Kerry in Croker last year is going to be in our minds, playing them off the field and still throwing the game away. No lad worth his salt wants to get a second chance at minor and miss out again.
I don't think either team is at much of an advantage or disadvantage in terms of experience.
The Mayo Divisional championships got underway tonight. I hope nobody got injured.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 26, 2013, 08:28:00 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2013, 01:25:46 PM
Rossies fancy their chances?
We haven't a ****ing hope.
But sure we'll try and keep th'oul ball kicked out for ye anyways.
I suspect that Roscommon are pretty confident of winning the AI and not without some justification.
Tyrone will be pretty confident, they rarely lose All Ireland semi finals at this level and Mayo awaiting who rarely win finals at any level.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 31, 2013, 03:33:48 PM
Tyrone will be pretty confident, they rarely lose All Ireland semi finals at this level and Mayo awaiting who rarely win finals at any level.
If ever there is a grade were previous form matters for feck all it's minor.
Quote from: Syferus on August 31, 2013, 03:39:48 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 31, 2013, 03:33:48 PM
Tyrone will be pretty confident, they rarely lose All Ireland semi finals at this level and Mayo awaiting who rarely win finals at any level.
If ever there is a grade were previous form matters for feck all it's minor.
You can't ignore Tyrones record at this level and Ulster sides have won nine out of the last fifteen minor All Irelands.
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Quote from: Syferus on August 31, 2013, 03:39:48 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 31, 2013, 03:33:48 PM
Tyrone will be pretty confident, they rarely lose All Ireland semi finals at this level and Mayo awaiting who rarely win finals at any level.
If ever there is a grade were previous form matters for feck all it's minor.
You can't ignore Tyrones record at this level and Ulster sides have won nine out of the last fifteen minor All Irelands.
The most important Ulster-focussed result right now is the Ulster champions being kicked around like a play-thing by Mayo and even that has little bearing on the rest of the championship.
Quote from: Syferus on August 31, 2013, 03:55:52 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 31, 2013, 03:51:19 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 31, 2013, 03:39:48 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 31, 2013, 03:33:48 PM
Tyrone will be pretty confident, they rarely lose All Ireland semi finals at this level and Mayo awaiting who rarely win finals at any level.
If ever there is a grade were previous form matters for feck all it's minor.
You can't ignore Tyrones record at this level and Ulster sides have won nine out of the last fifteen minor All Irelands.
The most important Ulster-focussed result right now is the Ulster champions being kicked around like a play-thing by Mayo and even that has little bearing on the rest of the championship.
You can give Monaghan the benefit of the doubt, first Ulster minor football title since 1945 and probably over celebrated it.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 31, 2013, 04:12:11 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 31, 2013, 03:55:52 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 31, 2013, 03:51:19 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 31, 2013, 03:39:48 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 31, 2013, 03:33:48 PM
Tyrone will be pretty confident, they rarely lose All Ireland semi finals at this level and Mayo awaiting who rarely win finals at any level.
If ever there is a grade were previous form matters for feck all it's minor.
You can't ignore Tyrones record at this level and Ulster sides have won nine out of the last fifteen minor All Irelands.
The most important Ulster-focussed result right now is the Ulster champions being kicked around like a play-thing by Mayo and even that has little bearing on the rest of the championship.
You can give Monaghan the benefit of the doubt, first Ulster minor football title since 1945 and probably over celebrated it.
Given they beat Tipp in the intervening period that's one hell of a delayed reaction to celebrating.
I see the Graham Geraghty-headed one reckons the poor Rossies might be flusterated by Tyrone's cynical play.
Hope the referees keep an eye on that, we don't want any of our lambs slaughtered by Mickey's men.
Thanks to the rhus for the good wishes ( or are ye looking for a handy oul final?)
With underage teams it all so much "on the day". and of course what was the standard in each Province this year.
Rubbish about what happened over the last 10 years or in Croke Park last year has no bearing on tomorrow's games as Captainly Obvious and shoud be to Syfínín too that Minor teams have to change every year.
Good luck to our lads and hopefully we'll be looking forward to a ticket scramble for the rest of the month.
Best of luck to FOD & the Ross Minors. Here's to an all Connacht minor AIF.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 31, 2013, 09:03:40 PM
Thanks to the rhus for the good wishes ( or are ye looking for a handy oul final?)
With underage teams it all so much "on the day". and of course what was the standard in each Province this year.
Rubbish about what happened over the last 10 years or in Croke Park last year has no bearing on tomorrow's games as Captainly Obvious and shoud be to Syfínín too that Minor teams have to change every year.
Good luck to our lads and hopefully we'll be looking forward to a ticket scramble for the rest of the month.
I for one genuinely hope the Rossies win tomorrow. If that means that they go on to avenge their Connacht final defeat as I fear they might, then good luck to them. I suspect though that Mayo's forwards are well capable of putting up cricket scores against any defence so it will be good fun to watch.
Good luck to the Rossies, I think O'Donnell's experience on the line could be key.
From a Mayo point of view, I'd rather play Tyrone in the final as I think the Rossies might have learned more from the last day in McHale
Good luck to our lads this afternoon. May the best team win.
Only the best get to play ball in September. I expect an all mighty battle and I hope we can just edge it.
Ye have already made us enormously proud, lads, so go out there and enjoy the big stage.
(And thanks to the Rhus for the vote of confidence, though the ceasefire will end at 3pm if we have our way :'()
Good Luck to Tyrone minors. Hopefully they won't get undone by partizan free state refereeing
Good luck Tyrone.
It's only Roscommon.
Quote from: under the bar on September 01, 2013, 11:10:16 AM
Good Luck to Tyrone minors. Hopefully they won't get undone by partizan free state refereeing
Hopefully those bias East of the Shannon refs won't spoil an All-Connacht curtain raiser.
Quote from: under the bar on September 01, 2013, 11:10:16 AM
Good Luck to Tyrone minors. Hopefully they won't get undone by partizan free state refereeing
Hopefully there'll be no nordie whinging to ruin all-Ireland final day
Quote from: under the bar on September 01, 2013, 11:10:16 AM
Good Luck to Tyrone minors. Hopefully they won't get undone by partizan free state refereeing
Ros won't need crooked refeeing to beat the Tymoanies.
6 or 7 thousand Rossies in Croke Park.Definallty the best supporters in Ireland
Time to get serious now; c'mon the Rossies!
Hawk-eye on best behaviour today
Rossies playing all the football here but Tyrone hanging in there and making it difficult for them. Tyrone look to be getting away with a lot of dubious "tackling"
And credit to the Rossies, huge support. Anyone know if there are any Tulsk lads on the team?
Tyrone are poor today. Might be the pink jerseys.
Quote from: ONeill on September 01, 2013, 02:04:00 PM
Tyrone are poor today. Might be the pink jerseys.
Looks like they ran in the wash - what's that about? Ros the better footballers, but some poor shot selection.
alot of good footballers on the Roscommon team.Tyrone turning over alot of ball and look poor enough going forward
Ros backs stealing the show, unrecognisable from the defending we saw in the league and in Connacht.
Forwards creating chances but not converting. We won't have any complacency after a half like that.
Tyrone are a very cynical team, and I don't say that lightly. Sure that one if them sees the line in the second half at this rate. Targeting Murtagh for 'special' threatmrnt.
Thanks for the updates on the score lads, keep them coming, I won't get out 'til the senior game. >:(
Ros backs stealing the show, unrecognisable from the defending we saw in the league and in Connacht.
Forwards creating chances but not converting. We won't have any complacency after a half like that.
Tyrone are a very cynical team, and I don't say that lightly. Sure that one if them sees the line in the second half at this rate. Targeting Murtagh for 'special' threatment.
Terrible to see Tyrone minors as cynical as their seniors - no innocence or open football st minor grade up there!
Tyrone are very very cynical. Sincerely hope Roscommon win this. If they don't it'll be the worst case of the better team losing that I've seen in a long while.
Whatever else you can say about Tyrone, they have guts.
Gutted for Roscommon. Tyrone number 11 was excellent. Really think Roscommon left that game behind them. Hope Mayo win it now.
Quote from: Westside on September 01, 2013, 02:27:32 PM
Tyrone are very very cynical. Sincerely hope Roscommon win this. If they don't it'll be the worst case of the better team losing that I've seen in a long while.
Insulting to the skills of Mc Kenna and Lee Brennan, better team won, Roscommon forwards were hiding behind there men all day.
We've sent down better Minor sides in the past 10 years, I'd say they won't win it outright but you never know.
Never seen a dirtier minor team. Sour grapes, call it what you want I never come back and don't congratulate the other team when they win. Tyrone don't deserve congratulations after that.
I honestly hope Mayo hockey that team around Croker on the 22nd. I have rarely felt as disillusioned after a match and we've suffered many a hammering in our time.
A player coming in and kicking away a goalie's kickout with a minute to go in a minor game. Forget Sean Kavanagh, that was the true indictment of Tyrone. This crap needs to be systematically rooted out of the game.
Quote from: Westside on September 01, 2013, 02:27:32 PM
Tyrone are very very cynical. Sincerely hope Roscommon win this. If they don't it'll be the worst case of the better team losing that I've seen in a long while.
Westside, and the rest of ye, get real. As much cynical fouling on the Roscommon side. But when you have a commentary team that rants about cynical play and a referee that allowed one team to defend as they like, but whistled Tyrone for the slightest touch, then what can we do.
Quote from: Chimley on September 01, 2013, 02:49:34 PM
Whatever else you can say about Tyrone, they have guts.
And the other teams Jersey if they are bearing down on goal! ;)
Quote from: trileacman on September 01, 2013, 02:54:52 PM
Quote from: Westside on September 01, 2013, 02:27:32 PM
Tyrone are very very cynical. Sincerely hope Roscommon win this. If they don't it'll be the worst case of the better team losing that I've seen in a long while.
Insulting to the skills of Mc Kenna and Lee Brennan, better team won, Roscommon forwards were hiding behind there men all day.
We've sent down better Minor sides in the past 10 years, I'd say they won't win it outright but you never know.
Why did that red haired lad (23?) not start? He made some difference when he cane on. I can't see Mayo scoring anything like 3-19 in the final against that team.
Quote from: TY14ED on September 01, 2013, 02:56:08 PM
Quote from: Westside on September 01, 2013, 02:27:32 PM
Tyrone are very very cynical. Sincerely hope Roscommon win this. If they don't it'll be the worst case of the better team losing that I've seen in a long while.
Westside, and the rest of ye, get real. As much cynical fouling on the Roscommon side. But when you have a commentary team that rants about cynical play and a referee that allowed one team to defend as they like, but whistled Tyrone for the slightest touch, then what can we do.
That's rubbish, the ref was very consistent. Some horrible cynicism from Tyrone but it's the lack of deterrent that's the problem.
Sure we're coaching that into our cubs at under 6 and under 8's.The hard work is paying off.By the time they get to minor level they have it down to perfection.
Quote from: trileacman on September 01, 2013, 02:54:52 PM
Quote from: Westside on September 01, 2013, 02:27:32 PM
Tyrone are very very cynical. Sincerely hope Roscommon win this. If they don't it'll be the worst case of the better team losing that I've seen in a long while.
Insulting to the skills of Mc Kenna and Lee Brennan, better team won, Roscommon forwards were hiding behind there men all day.
We've sent down better Minor sides in the past 10 years, I'd say they won't win it outright but you never know.
The bigger insult to their skills was the cynical approach Tyrone took to the game. I don't believe the better team won. Tyrone would not have won this game without their systemic fouling. Once they got ahead it was a case of do anything it takes to stop Roscommon going forward. Awful stuff. For me, the better 15 footballers were the Rossies.
Whinge whinge whinge.
Yeeeeeo! Said it before the game that this team has some guts, they didn't disappoint. The conveyor belt keeps on running ;)
Quote from: ONeill on September 01, 2013, 02:04:00 PM
Tyrone are poor today. Might be the pink jerseys.
Will they stick with the pink now after that comeback win?
Not interested in all the begrudgery and cynical guff. Tyrone minors contained a good Rossies side in first half then let loose in the second half. Rocommon had no answer to Burns, Brennan and the exceptional Mckenna when the game was there to be won.
Quote from: TY14ED on September 01, 2013, 02:56:08 PM
Quote from: Westside on September 01, 2013, 02:27:32 PM
Tyrone are very very cynical. Sincerely hope Roscommon win this. If they don't it'll be the worst case of the better team losing that I've seen in a long while.
Westside, and the rest of ye, get real. As much cynical fouling on the Roscommon side. But when you have a commentary team that rants about cynical play and a referee that allowed one team to defend as they like, but whistled Tyrone for the slightest touch, then what can we do.
I don't speak Irish so couldn't understand the commentary anyway. My neutral view is based on what I saw on the field of play. Tyrone were far, far more cynical. Every free Roscommon got was a certain free and they were denied a good few that they should have been awarded. Mayo look to be better footballers than Roscommon, so based on today's showing they will be much better footballers than Tyrone. I sincerely hope "football" wins and Mayo triumph.
That was some 2nd half. Conor McKenna was immense, Lee Brennan getting the vital points, and McShane closing it out.
Roll on the Final, and the hunt for tickets.......
Quote from: Syferus on September 01, 2013, 02:55:20 PM
A player coming in and kicking away a goalie's kickout with a minute to go in a minor game.
That was bad to see alright, probably just a rush of blood from the young fella but should have had a yellow for that kind of sh*te
Quote from: Westside on September 01, 2013, 03:07:33 PM
Quote from: TY14ED on September 01, 2013, 02:56:08 PM
Quote from: Westside on September 01, 2013, 02:27:32 PM
Tyrone are very very cynical. Sincerely hope Roscommon win this. If they don't it'll be the worst case of the better team losing that I've seen in a long while.
Westside, and the rest of ye, get real. As much cynical fouling on the Roscommon side. But when you have a commentary team that rants about cynical play and a referee that allowed one team to defend as they like, but whistled Tyrone for the slightest touch, then what can we do.
I don't speak Irish so couldn't understand the commentary anyway. My neutral view is based on what I saw on the field of play. Tyrone were far, far more cynical. Every free Roscommon got was a certain free and they were denied a good few that they should have been awarded. Mayo look to be better footballers than Roscommon, so based on today's showing they will be much better footballers than Tyrone. I sincerely hope "football" wins and Mayo triumph.
The most cynical display this year was Roscommon seniors vs Tyrone. For the 1st 40 mins they fouled, and fouled and rotated the man doing the fouling. It was obvious they had pre planned it. We had a laugh with the Rossies beside us at just how blatant they were. Yet we got on with- they did what they did to try and win. In fact when they got their tails up in the last 20 mins they could have won the game. But no one mentioned it in the media. Kevin Mc Stay could have called it on the Sunday game but he backed away. The issue again is the lazy targeting of Tyrone. No one here teaches or trains cynicism. We do teach passion and desire and like any county we do what we can to win. Too many people taking their opinions from Carney, Spillane etc.
In today's minor game, Tyrone had many calls for frees turned down, we felt harshly, but they got on with it. The football they played was, at times, superb. We have to be fair to them for what they achieved. We also have to be fair to Roscommon- they didn't lose because Tyrone were cynical and the Rossies were not. They lost because Tyrones big players raised their game.
Quote from: TY14ED on September 01, 2013, 03:39:06 PM
Quote from: Westside on September 01, 2013, 03:07:33 PM
Quote from: TY14ED on September 01, 2013, 02:56:08 PM
Quote from: Westside on September 01, 2013, 02:27:32 PM
Tyrone are very very cynical. Sincerely hope Roscommon win this. If they don't it'll be the worst case of the better team losing that I've seen in a long while.
Westside, and the rest of ye, get real. As much cynical fouling on the Roscommon side. But when you have a commentary team that rants about cynical play and a referee that allowed one team to defend as they like, but whistled Tyrone for the slightest touch, then what can we do.
I don't speak Irish so couldn't understand the commentary anyway. My neutral view is based on what I saw on the field of play. Tyrone were far, far more cynical. Every free Roscommon got was a certain free and they were denied a good few that they should have been awarded. Mayo look to be better footballers than Roscommon, so based on today's showing they will be much better footballers than Tyrone. I sincerely hope "football" wins and Mayo triumph.
The most cynical display this year was Roscommon seniors vs Tyrone. For the 1st 40 mins they fouled, and fouled and rotated the man doing the fouling. It was obvious they had pre planned it. We had a laugh with the Rossies beside us at just how blatant they were. Yet we got on with- they did what they did to try and win. In fact when they got their tails up in the last 20 mins they could have won the game. But no one mentioned it in the media. Kevin Mc Stay could have called it on the Sunday game but he backed away. The issue again is the lazy targeting of Tyrone. No one here teaches or trains cynicism. We do teach passion and desire and like any county we do what we can to win. Too many people taking their opinions from Carney, Spillane etc.
In today's minor game, Tyrone had many calls for frees turned down, we felt harshly, but they got on with it. The football they played was, at times, superb. We have to be fair to them for what they achieved. We also have to be fair to Roscommon- they didn't lose because Tyrone were cynical and the Rossies were not. They lost because Tyrones big players raised their game.
What in the name of God are you talking on about the Senior game for? That has about as much to do with this discussion as the Cavan v Fermanagh game. I'm not attacking Tyrone football as a whole, never mentioned anything other than the game today and in my own, neutral, unbiased opinion, Tyrone won this game not solely due to their raising their game. They won partially due to some good play in the final third, and their cynicism was a huge contributing factor.
Quote from: Westside on September 01, 2013, 03:52:21 PM
Quote from: TY14ED on September 01, 2013, 03:39:06 PM
Quote from: Westside on September 01, 2013, 03:07:33 PM
Quote from: TY14ED on September 01, 2013, 02:56:08 PM
Quote from: Westside on September 01, 2013, 02:27:32 PM
Tyrone are very very cynical. Sincerely hope Roscommon win this. If they don't it'll be the worst case of the better team losing that I've seen in a long while.
Westside, and the rest of ye, get real. As much cynical fouling on the Roscommon side. But when you have a commentary team that rants about cynical play and a referee that allowed one team to defend as they like, but whistled Tyrone for the slightest touch, then what can we do.
I don't speak Irish so couldn't understand the commentary anyway. My neutral view is based on what I saw on the field of play. Tyrone were far, far more cynical. Every free Roscommon got was a certain free and they were denied a good few that they should have been awarded. Mayo look to be better footballers than Roscommon, so based on today's showing they will be much better footballers than Tyrone. I sincerely hope "football" wins and Mayo triumph.
The most cynical display this year was Roscommon seniors vs Tyrone. For the 1st 40 mins they fouled, and fouled and rotated the man doing the fouling. It was obvious they had pre planned it. We had a laugh with the Rossies beside us at just how blatant they were. Yet we got on with- they did what they did to try and win. In fact when they got their tails up in the last 20 mins they could have won the game. But no one mentioned it in the media. Kevin Mc Stay could have called it on the Sunday game but he backed away. The issue again is the lazy targeting of Tyrone. No one here teaches or trains cynicism. We do teach passion and desire and like any county we do what we can to win. Too many people taking their opinions from Carney, Spillane etc.
In today's minor game, Tyrone had many calls for frees turned down, we felt harshly, but they got on with it. The football they played was, at times, superb. We have to be fair to them for what they achieved. We also have to be fair to Roscommon- they didn't lose because Tyrone were cynical and the Rossies were not. They lost because Tyrones big players raised their game.
What in the name of God are you talking on about the Senior game for? That has about as much to do with this discussion as the Cavan v Fermanagh game. I'm not attacking Tyrone football as a whole, never mentioned anything other than the game today and in my own, neutral, unbiased opinion, Tyrone won this game not solely due to their raising their game. They won partially due to some good play in the final third, and their cynicism was a huge contributing factor.
My point is that if cynicism wasn't the word of the day then you wouldn't be talking this way. Yes we would mention the lad kicking the ball away from the keeper but that was just stupidity.
Which is more likely here:
(a) Tyrone were cynical today, they dragged down Roscommon players anytime there was a sniff of a goal or an overlap. They got their noses in front and systemically fouled Roscommon to break up their momentum. This was a major contributing factor to Tyrone's victory.
(b) I'm brainwashed by the media into seeing Tyrone cynical play that didn't exist.
I'm not from Roscommon, this loss doesn't matter to me apart from sympathy for the team that approached the game in the better manner lose the game. Of course Tyrone men should be delighted that they won. If that was Cavan out there I'd be delighted we got through. But call a spade a spade on how the victory was achieved.
Rubbish, we are all well capable of forming our own conclusions from what we see. The ref was excellent and to try and claim he favoured Roscommon raises serious questions about your objectivity.
Wile bit of tyroneism there in last 10 minutes from Tyrone
QuoteNever seen a dirtier minor team. Sour grapes, call it what you want I never come back and don't congratulate the other team when they win. (rest of cr@p spout deleted to save people having to read such sh1te twice]
You hit the nail on the head there.
Quote from: under the bar on September 01, 2013, 05:29:03 PM
QuoteNever seen a dirtier minor team. Sour grapes, call it what you want I never come back and don't congratulate the other team when they win. (rest of cr@p spout deleted to save people having to read such sh1te twice]
You hit the nail on the head there.
You said all that needs to be said about the apathy and conscious ignorance (sure isn't it fine 'cause we're profiting, nothing to see here) that surrounds this tribe in Tyrone and other counties.
The rules will eventually catch up and teams who can only win by playing that brand of football will be forced to change their ways or die.
Quote from: Syferus on September 01, 2013, 05:40:38 PM
Quote from: under the bar on September 01, 2013, 05:29:03 PM
QuoteNever seen a dirtier minor team. Sour grapes, call it what you want I never come back and don't congratulate the other team when they win. (rest of cr@p spout deleted to save people having to read such sh1te twice]
You hit the nail on the head there.
You said all that needs to be said about the apathy and conscious ignorance (sure isn't it fine 'cause we're profiting, nothing to see here) that surrounds this tribe in Tyrone and other counties.
The rules will eventually catch up and teams who can only win by playing that brand of football will be forced to change their ways or die.
Tyrone played within the rules and won. That is the way the game is set up at the moment. Call it cheating or what ever. You point the finger and it will be bitten. Minors who are years looking at seniors doing the same thing for years and expecting them to do no different is very naive.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 01, 2013, 05:54:08 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 01, 2013, 05:40:38 PM
Quote from: under the bar on September 01, 2013, 05:29:03 PM
QuoteNever seen a dirtier minor team. Sour grapes, call it what you want I never come back and don't congratulate the other team when they win. (rest of cr@p spout deleted to save people having to read such sh1te twice]
You hit the nail on the head there.
You said all that needs to be said about the apathy and conscious ignorance (sure isn't it fine 'cause we're profiting, nothing to see here) that surrounds this tribe in Tyrone and other counties.
The rules will eventually catch up and teams who can only win by playing that brand of football will be forced to change their ways or die.
Tyrone played within the rules and won. That is the way the game is set up at the moment. Call it cheating or what ever. You point the finger and it will be bitten. Minors who are years looking at seniors doing the same thing for years and expecting them to do no different is very naive.
Well, they clearly didn't play within the rules or they wouldn't have given away so many fouls and cards. The punishments not fitting the crimes is the problem, not what constitutes legal and illegal play.
I don't take being so vehement on this lightly. I don't ever, ever not swallow a loss even when I feel like we were the better side from play. The last passage of play of the match today should be made into a clip and given to the FRC because it is as graphic a highlight reel of why cynical play needs to be destroyed as totally as humanly possible.
Tyrone have some fine footballers but today and this year that minor team have relied primarily on illegal play to win games rather than their own skill. I wish the indidivuals the best in the future but it's the machine they are fed into that is the problem and it certainly extends beyond Tyrone but that's no reason not to call it out when it happens.
Quote from: Syferus on September 01, 2013, 06:54:07 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 01, 2013, 05:54:08 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 01, 2013, 05:40:38 PM
Quote from: under the bar on September 01, 2013, 05:29:03 PM
QuoteNever seen a dirtier minor team. Sour grapes, call it what you want I never come back and don't congratulate the other team when they win. (rest of cr@p spout deleted to save people having to read such sh1te twice]
You hit the nail on the head there.
You said all that needs to be said about the apathy and conscious ignorance (sure isn't it fine 'cause we're profiting, nothing to see here) that surrounds this tribe in Tyrone and other counties.
The rules will eventually catch up and teams who can only win by playing that brand of football will be forced to change their ways or die.
Tyrone played within the rules and won. That is the way the game is set up at the moment. Call it cheating or what ever. You point the finger and it will be bitten. Minors who are years looking at seniors doing the same thing for years and expecting them to do no different is very naive.
Well, they clearly didn't play within the rules or they wouldn't have given away do many fouls and cards. The punishments not fitting the crimes is the problem, not what constitutes legal and illegal play.
I don't take being so vehement on this lightly. I don't ever, ever swallow a loss even when I feel like we were the better side from play. The last passage of play of the match today should be made into a clip and given to the FRC because it is as graphic a highlight reel of why cynical play needs to be destroyed as totally as humanly possible.
Tyrone have some fine footballers but today and this year that minor team have relied primarily on illegal play to win games rather than their own skill. I wish the indidivuals the best in the future but it's the machine they are fed into that is the problem and it certainly extends beyond Tyrone but that's no reason not to call it out when it happens.
What rubbish. Did you call it out in the senior game today?
Hard luck to our lads, in truth we lost that game in the 1st half with our poor shot selection & missed penatly on another day we could have led 1-9 to 0-3 at the break but credit to tyrone they hung in there and once they scored their goal they weren't going to be beaten.
QuoteWell, they clearly didn't play within the rules or they wouldn't have given away do many fouls and cards. The punishments not fitting the crimes is the problem, not what constitutes legal and illegal play.
I don't take being so vehement on this lightly. I don't ever, ever swallow a loss even when I feel like we were the better side from play.
<snips additional pile of blethering dung>
Syferus, you really should not drink on an empty head. Off to bed now....
I don't buy into this 'Tyrone Cynical Play' argument at all. I don't believe they are any more or less cynical than any other team in the country and the many statistics about fouling do seem to back this up. As a result of Joe Brolly's outburst after the Meath and Monaghan games they are just under the microscope at the moment at all levels. If the same scrutiny was applied to any other team I'm sure we could identify the exact same trends.
My biggest criticism of Tyrone, at both minor and senior level is that players of exceptional quality are being asked to sacrifice their natural talent and undoubted ability to play a 'system' of football. When the minors had a go at Roscommon today in the second half and the shackles of this defensive strategy were thrown off, their best players played in their natural positions and they demonstrated their ability. For me, that really shone through - number 11 looked an exceptional player and we wasn't given a chance to shine in the first half. I believe they're being suffocated by this defensive system and that some really top players aren't getting the opportunity to showcase their talents.
I think it's great that at senior level the two most attacking and adventurous teams in recent years will play out the final in three weeks time.
My biggest criticism of Tyrone, at both minor and senior level is that players of exceptional quality are being asked to sacrifice their natural talent and undoubted ability to play a 'system' of football. When the minors had a go at Roscommon today in the second half and the shackles of this defensive strategy were thrown off, their best players played in their natural positions and they demonstrated their ability. For me, that really shone through - number 11 looked an exceptional player and we wasn't given a chance to shine in the first half. I believe they're being suffocated by this defensive system and that some really top players aren't getting the opportunity to showcase their talents.
I think it's great that at senior level the two most attacking and adventurous teams in recent years will play out the final in three weeks time.
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Have to disagree with you. For me this is one of the weakest Tyrone minor teams that we have had in the last ten years. (Lasts years team for example was a much more talented team), for them to get to a final is an unbelievable achievement, (most of them underage again next year) - Tyrone have had to set themselves up defensively, otherwise they simply would not count. That does not mean they do that every year, the 2010 minor team with Ronan O'Neill etc played a much more open game.
Quote from: CD on September 01, 2013, 07:38:02 PM
number 11 looked an exceptional player and we wasn't given a chance to shine in the first half.
Yeah, serious player alright, that goal was reminiscent of SO'Ns goal v Mayo in '04
Quote from: sam03/05 on September 01, 2013, 07:49:57 PM
My biggest criticism of Tyrone, at both minor and senior level is that players of exceptional quality are being asked to sacrifice their natural talent and undoubted ability to play a 'system' of football. When the minors had a go at Roscommon today in the second half and the shackles of this defensive strategy were thrown off, their best players played in their natural positions and they demonstrated their ability. For me, that really shone through - number 11 looked an exceptional player and we wasn't given a chance to shine in the first half. I believe they're being suffocated by this defensive system and that some really top players aren't getting the opportunity to showcase their talents.
I think it's great that at senior level the two most attacking and adventurous teams in recent years will play out the final in three weeks time.
Have to disagree with you.
For me this is one of the weakest Tyrone minor teams that we have had in the last ten years. (Lasts years team for example was a much more talented team), for them to get to a final is an unbelievable achievement, (most of them underage again next year) - Tyrone have had to set themselves up defensively, otherwise they simply would not count. That does not mean they do that every year, the 2010 minor team with Ronan O'Neill etc played a much more open game.
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Sorry Sam - you seem to have seen this team in action a bit more than I have. I don't know enough about them to compare them to teams in previous years. But I can compare them from half to half. I thought they were infinitely better in the second half when they played a far more offensive style of football and what look like some really good players got a chance to express themselves. I'd love to see them play like that in the final. I do agree with your comments about the 2010 team - they had some excellent players and I thought Richard Donnelly, Grugan and Conlan as well as a couple of really good Errigal players (one was a Canavan i think) would have made the step up to senior level. I noticed only Grugan along with O'Neill and McCurry on the senior panel!
I'm not knocking the achievement of the Tyrone team getting to the final - it's a fantastic achievement for any team to get there and I thought they earned it in the second half when they were prepared to take calculated risks going forward and supported Brennan and McKenna. The introduction of a very direct attacking player in McShane was crucial in this. - I'd say he's earned himself a place in the final 15!
Ahh now hang on , I wouldn't usually back up a Rossie but Syferus has reason to be sour, that Tyrone craic is bordering on fookin scandalous at this stage especially as its minor , the punishments don't fit the crime and people scream in your face , sure Tyrone are playing within the rules and accept their punishement if they break them.
Well it's high time the rules were changed.
Ross were the better side, were very unlucky with penalty etc , should of been out of sight at half time.
Someone said it is just because of Brolly's remarks that people are looking at Tyrone. This is wrong. People have been saying this for years. I hark back to a bar in Derry a short while after Tyrone won their first all-Ireland. I had a few drinks in me and seen Dooher and I started to 'dive' and 'wrestle' my cousin in front of Dooher for a bit of craic. The best all-Ireland and the one I think which most of ulster got behind was their win in 2008
Whatever about Tyrone's cynical play or not we had enough of the ball and enough opportunities despite our painfully slow methods to have won the game.
A problem with a lot of our teams in recent years unfortunately.
When Tyrone attacked by running at us with pace they cut through us time and again in that second half and looked a far more purposeful team.
A few decent prospects and I'm sure as usual with Minor teams a few lads who'll never wear a County jersey again ( unless they buy it in a shop).
It's up to GAA administrators to stop being cowards afraid of County team managers etc and simply come up with rulles to punish dirty foul play and encourage attractive attacking play and good legal defensive play.
I won't be attending the Final as the 3 hardest crowds of fans to listen to will be there that day.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 01, 2013, 08:55:23 PM
Whatever about Tyrone's cynical play or not we had enough of the ball and enough opportunities despite our painfully slow methods to have won the game.
A problem with a lot of our teams in recent years unfortunately.
When Tyrone attacked by running at us with pace they cut through us time and again in that second half and looked a far more purposeful team.
A few decent prospects and I'm sure as usual with Minor teams a few lads who'll never wear a County jersey again ( unless they buy it in a shop).
It's up to GAA administrators to stop being cowards afraid of County team managers etc and simply come up with rulles to punish dirty foul play and encourage attractive attacking play and good legal defensive play.
I won't be attending the Final as the 3 hardest crowds of fans to listen to will be there that day.
lol
Quote from: Rossfan on September 01, 2013, 08:55:23 PM
Whatever about Tyrone's cynical play or not we had enough of the ball and enough opportunities despite our painfully slow methods to have won the game.
A problem with a lot of our teams in recent years unfortunately.
When Tyrone attacked by running at us with pace they cut through us time and again in that second half and looked a far more purposeful team.
A few decent prospects and I'm sure as usual with Minor teams a few lads who'll never wear a County jersey again ( unless they buy it in a shop).
It's up to GAA administrators to stop being cowards afraid of County team managers etc and simply come up with rulles to punish dirty foul play and encourage attractive attacking play and good legal defensive play.
I won't be attending the Final as the 3 hardest crowds of fans to listen to will be there that day.
As a Rossie would agree with most of the above. Tyrone were the better team and deserved victory. Ros were slow taking the ball up the field, lacked creativity in shot selection. The last comment is one I would disagree with, us westies should wish Mayo well in their quest to become all Ireland champions, no county deserves it more. I hope they win both and on the evidence of the minor championship so far should win this handy enough.
Cynicism is not a label you can seriously apply to a team who managed to lose an Ulster final from being 8 pts up with 20 mins to go. Can anyone seriously criticise a group of 18 year olds for hanging on to fulfill their dreams of playing in an all ireland final. Most of these cubs will never get another chance to play in a final. I personally would prefer to see a group of lads grabbing their opportunities in life with both hands. Nothing tactical or by design in it just a pure williness to succeed. The particular Rocommon poster on here sounding off needs to get a dose of humility and admit they have been beaten by a better side.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 01, 2013, 08:55:23 PM
Whatever about Tyrone's cynical play or not we had enough of the ball and enough opportunities despite our painfully slow methods to have won the game.
A problem with a lot of our teams in recent years unfortunately.
When Tyrone attacked by running at us with pace they cut through us time and again in that second half and looked a far more purposeful team.
A few decent prospects and I'm sure as usual with Minor teams a few lads who'll never wear a County jersey again ( unless they buy it in a shop).
It's up to GAA administrators to stop being cowards afraid of County team managers etc and simply come up with rulles to punish dirty foul play and encourage attractive attacking play and good legal defensive play.
I won't be attending the Final as the 3 hardest crowds of fans to listen to will be there that day.
Never heard the word Cynical mention before this year. It's mentioned on RTE by some clown and everyone jumps on it and now Tyrone are the only cynical team in Ireland. Lads, form your own opinions instead of jumping on the popular bandwagon. There was loads of examples of cynical play today....it happens in every game but only highlighted when Tyrone play.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on September 01, 2013, 10:06:14 PM
Cynicism is not a label you can seriously apply to a team who managed to lose an Ulster final from being 8 pts up with 20 mins to go. Can anyone seriously criticise a group of 18 year olds for hanging on to fulfill their dreams of playing in an all ireland final. Most of these cubs will never get another chance to play in a final. I personally would prefer to see a group of lads grabbing their opportunities in life with both hands. Nothing tactical or by design in it just a pure williness to succeed. The particular Rocommon poster on here sounding off needs to get a dose of humility and admit they have been beaten by a better side.
In all seriousness, it's grand when you are on the winning side and you cheated! But in all honesty you can't expect the opposition not to have sour grapes about it. As you said they did what they had to do and who can blame them? But don't go expecting people to turn a blind eye to it and joke it off. If you are willing to take that route fair enough, but don't expect to be applauded for it!
Quote from: Rodman on September 01, 2013, 10:11:23 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 01, 2013, 08:55:23 PM
Whatever about Tyrone's cynical play or not
Never heard the word Cynical mention before this year. It's mentioned on RTE by some clown and everyone jumps on it and now Tyrone are the only cynical team in Ireland. Lads, form your own opinions instead of jumping on the popular bandwagon. There was loads of examples of cynical play today....it happens in every game but only highlighted when Tyrone play.
You must have missed by OR NOT !!!
Quote from: SkillfulBill on September 01, 2013, 10:06:14 PM
Cynicism is not a label you can seriously apply to a team who managed to lose an Ulster final from being 8 pts up with 20 mins to go. Can anyone seriously criticise a group of 18 year olds for hanging on to fulfill their dreams of playing in an all ireland final. Most of these cubs will never get another chance to play in a final. I personally would prefer to see a group of lads grabbing their opportunities in life with both hands. Nothing tactical or by design in it just a pure williness to succeed. The particular Rocommon poster on here sounding off needs to get a dose of humility and admit they have been beaten by a better side.
The easy thing to do is throw out the usual platitudes and ignore the blindingly obvious out of some mis-guided sense of sportsmanship.
Tyrone didn't show much sportsmanship on the field. Saying so is certainly the lesser of the two evils.
Plenty of cribbing from you Syferus after calling us Tymoanies this morning :o
You can moan with the best of us.
Quote from: Syferus on September 01, 2013, 10:15:50 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on September 01, 2013, 10:06:14 PM
Cynicism is not a label you can seriously apply to a team who managed to lose an Ulster final from being 8 pts up with 20 mins to go. Can anyone seriously criticise a group of 18 year olds for hanging on to fulfill their dreams of playing in an all ireland final. Most of these cubs will never get another chance to play in a final. I personally would prefer to see a group of lads grabbing their opportunities in life with both hands. Nothing tactical or by design in it just a pure williness to succeed. The particular Rocommon poster on here sounding off needs to get a dose of humility and admit they have been beaten by a better side.
The easy thing to do is throw out the usual platitudes and ignore the blindingly obvious out of some mis-guided sense of sportsmanship.
Tyrone didn't show much sportsmanship on the field. Saying so is certainly the lesser of the two evils.
What were your views on the Roscommon tactics in Hyde Park vs Tyrone this year in the qualifier game? Cynical? Not just my view as many of the Rossies in the stand beside us accepted that their team had approached the 1st half with a foul at every opportunity mentality.
Quote from: Club Rossa on September 01, 2013, 10:24:06 PM
Plenty of cribbing from you Syferus after calling us Tymoanies this morning :o
You can moan with the best of us.
Moaning about being called on something you're doing and 'moaning' about a team winning dirty are two very different things.
Aw right,thanks for clearing that up :D
At the end of the day when Tyrone turned up the heat Roscommon had no answer.You seem to want to focus on Tyrone's tactics rather than your own team's shortcomings.
Quote from: Syferus on September 01, 2013, 02:55:20 PM
Never seen a dirtier minor team. Sour grapes, call it what you want I never come back and don't congratulate the other team when they win. Tyrone don't deserve congratulations after that.
I honestly hope Mayo hockey that team around Croker on the 22nd. I have rarely felt as disillusioned after a match and we've suffered many a hammering in our time.
A player coming in and kicking away a goalie's kickout with a minute to go in a minor game. Forget Sean Kavanagh, that was the true indictment of Tyrone. This crap needs to be systematically rooted out of the game.
That didn't happen, at least not the way you imagined.
Replays show that the Ros goalie just mishit the kickout.
Anyway, the goalie probably deserved it ::)
Possibly now the Tyronies will stop whining and squealing about losing the Ulster Final, for a few weeks ;D
Tenacious Tyrone were good value for their ugly win, Ros failed to stick in the stake on those rascals when they had the game won and were looking the much better team.
Quote from: Rodman on September 01, 2013, 10:11:23 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 01, 2013, 08:55:23 PM
Whatever about Tyrone's cynical play or not we had enough of the ball and enough opportunities despite our painfully slow methods to have won the game.
A problem with a lot of our teams in recent years unfortunately.
When Tyrone attacked by running at us with pace they cut through us time and again in that second half and looked a far more purposeful team.
A few decent prospects and I'm sure as usual with Minor teams a few lads who'll never wear a County jersey again ( unless they buy it in a shop).
It's up to GAA administrators to stop being cowards afraid of County team managers etc and simply come up with rulles to punish dirty foul play and encourage attractive attacking play and good legal defensive play.
I won't be attending the Final as the 3 hardest crowds of fans to listen to will be there that day.
Never heard the word Cynical mention before this year. It's mentioned on RTE by some clown and everyone jumps on it and now Tyrone are the only cynical team in Ireland. Lads, form your own opinions instead of jumping on the popular bandwagon. There was loads of examples of cynical play today....it happens in every game but only highlighted when Tyrone play.
Really? Where were you last year then?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 01, 2013, 10:35:06 PM
Quote from: Rodman on September 01, 2013, 10:11:23 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 01, 2013, 08:55:23 PM
Whatever about Tyrone's cynical play or not we had enough of the ball and enough opportunities despite our painfully slow methods to have won the game.
A problem with a lot of our teams in recent years unfortunately.
When Tyrone attacked by running at us with pace they cut through us time and again in that second half and looked a far more purposeful team.
A few decent prospects and I'm sure as usual with Minor teams a few lads who'll never wear a County jersey again ( unless they buy it in a shop).
It's up to GAA administrators to stop being cowards afraid of County team managers etc and simply come up with rulles to punish dirty foul play and encourage attractive attacking play and good legal defensive play.
I won't be attending the Final as the 3 hardest crowds of fans to listen to will be there that day.
Never heard the word Cynical mention before this year. It's mentioned on RTE by some clown and everyone jumps on it and now Tyrone are the only cynical team in Ireland. Lads, form your own opinions instead of jumping on the popular bandwagon. There was loads of examples of cynical play today....it happens in every game but only highlighted when Tyrone play.
Really? Where were you last year then?
Not to the level it has been used this year. Some idiot on RTE mentions its and all the lemmings who can't form their opinions take it as gospel. There has always been cynical play and it is in every other sport as well.
Quote from: Rodman on September 01, 2013, 10:11:23 PM
Never heard the word Cynical mention before this year.
Jesus, are you still in 4th class or something??
Quote from: Rudi on September 01, 2013, 09:09:01 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 01, 2013, 08:55:23 PM
I won't be attending the Final as the 3 hardest crowds of fans to listen to will be there that day.
As a Rossie would agree with most of the above. Tyrone were the better team and deserved victory. Ros were slow taking the ball up the field, lacked creativity in shot selection. The last comment is one I would disagree with, us westies should wish Mayo well in their quest to become all Ireland champions, no county deserves it more. I hope they win both and on the evidence of the minor championship so far should win this handy enough.
Cheers Rudi
Fergal o'donnell very gracious in defeat. One o two here could maybe listen to him.
Quote from: Syferus on September 01, 2013, 10:15:50 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on September 01, 2013, 10:06:14 PM
Cynicism is not a label you can seriously apply to a team who managed to lose an Ulster final from being 8 pts up with 20 mins to go. Can anyone seriously criticise a group of 18 year olds for hanging on to fulfill their dreams of playing in an all ireland final. Most of these cubs will never get another chance to play in a final. I personally would prefer to see a group of lads grabbing their opportunities in life with both hands. Nothing tactical or by design in it just a pure williness to succeed. The particular Rocommon poster on here sounding off needs to get a dose of humility and admit they have been beaten by a better side.
The easy thing to do is throw out the usual platitudes and ignore the blindingly obvious out of some mis-guided sense of sportsmanship.
Tyrone didn't show much sportsmanship on the field. Saying so is certainly the lesser of the two evils.
At least you recognised yourself as the postee requiring the dose of humility. Interesting your in ability to recognise the reasons for your defeat today. It waa as simple as Rocommon had no answer to the quality of Conor Mckennas scores from center half forward, the point scoring ability of Lee Brennan or the work rate of Burns and Hamill
Fergal is always a decent gracious individual, win lose or draw.
As for us lads here - Syfínín is only 13 and I sort of praised Tyrone :-\
As for the three sets of fans in the Final - I find that an awful lot of the followers of the 3 Counties are hard to stomach/listen to at games.
Just my personal opinion buckeens.
Rossfan we feel your pain reading those posts.
Interesting hearing o'donnels comments and good to see. Seems like a great asset to roscommon football.
Brolly started his shite on kerry and cynicism today too. Think he's either trying to be consistent or trying to take the bad look of him picking on tyrone.
Quote from: TY14ED on September 01, 2013, 10:25:35 PM
What were your views on the Roscommon tactics in Hyde Park vs Tyrone this year in the qualifier game? Cynical? Not just my view as many of the Rossies in the stand beside us accepted that their team had approached the 1st half with a foul at every opportunity mentality.
A difference between 12 men behind the ball and been cynical. If anything we are too nice at every level and we will probably have to change our ways unless results like today will continue. Take the Tyrone goal for example not a challenge was put in by us while at the other we simply weren't allowed to create a goal chance like that.
Quote from: ross4life on September 02, 2013, 12:38:46 AM
Quote from: TY14ED on September 01, 2013, 10:25:35 PM
What were your views on the Roscommon tactics in Hyde Park vs Tyrone this year in the qualifier game? Cynical? Not just my view as many of the Rossies in the stand beside us accepted that their team had approached the 1st half with a foul at every opportunity mentality.
A difference between 12 men behind the ball and been cynical. If anything we are too nice at every level and we will probably have to change our ways unless results like today will continue. Take the Tyrone goal for example not a challenge was put in by us while at the other we simply weren't allowed to create a goal chance like that.
We did the same thing in the Connacht final. The black card can't come soon enough because it will definitely suit the way we train our teams to play through the grades.
Did Roscommon watch last weekends semi final and think Tyrone would be like Monaghan? Tyrone are in this cynical business to win trophies they don't care who they upset so long as they win and are now only one win away from their ninth minor All Ireland title.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 02, 2013, 01:34:52 AM
Did Roscommon watch last weekends semi final and think Tyrone would be like Monaghan? Tyrone are in this cynical business to win trophies they don't care who they upset so long as they win and are now only one win away from their ninth minor All Ireland title.
The bird in the street knows Tyrone's tactics at this stage. It doesn't make them any less effective when the punishments are so lax. Tyrone are smart, but they are damaging the sport and instilling a system that hinges on the assumption that the way they can win matches is by spoiling football rather than simply playing it.
Tyrone and Donegal will be effected more than most by the black card so it will be interesting to see what its real-world implications are.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 02, 2013, 01:34:52 AM
Did Roscommon watch last weekends semi final and think Tyrone would be like Monaghan? Tyrone are in this cynical business to win trophies they don't care who they upset so long as they win and are now only one win away from their ninth minor All Ireland title.
We could always go out and play the nice brand of football we played in the 80's and 90's and get the results we deserved. I don't think many in Tyrone really care what you lot think anymore we may as well be hung for a sheep than a lamb. It's now part of our fabric that Tyrone turn out side's which are fully committed to go as far in all competitions as they can with the resources available. You may not like us but you sure as hell have to go out and beat us and be committed in every area of the pitch. If a Tyrone side senses weakness they will exploit it. If a Tyrone side feels they can defend their way to a win they will. If they feel the need to open up and attack a team to win they will. If they feel the need to push the limits of the rules to the maximum to win they will. After all the degrudgery of the all ireland wins of the 00's and the tragedies that team overcame we are beyond caring what our opponents think. When the rules of the game change we will be among the counties who will best adapt to the new circumstances and will be stronger for it.
Didn't see yesterday's minor game as went to family Sunday dinner in spot that was showing Liverpool v Man Utd.
But a few thoughts, before the game the opinion I read from Roscommon was that this was an outstanding minor team with an outstanding manager. Roscommon were a much the better team than mayo in Connaught final and Fergal O'Donnell was a tactical genius who would no doubt have a plan to beat tyrone's system etc.
The opinion from Tyrone was this an average group of players who because of organisation and determination had maybe overachieved in reaching an all Ireland semi final.
After the game the reaction has been comical.
Suddenly Mayo are now a brilliant team who will hammer Tyrone in the final. I thought Roscommon were meant roll into Croke Park put on an exhibition of football to set up a 'dream' Connaught final rematch?
It seems from reports that Tyrone played with a sweeper it wasn't working so they changed tactics and beat Roscommon by going on the attack. Roscommon couldn't cope with this and Tyrone dominated last 10 minutes.
Tyrone people are still saying that this is an average group of players that have overachieved by reaching an All Ireland final but are proud of the spirit and determination within this team.
Interestingly some friends of mind from Kildare said after their game with Roscommon that Roscommon minors were the most cynical team they had ever seen. Roscommon had 1 player sent off that day for 2 rugby tackles thst day and they thought at least 2 more Roscommon players should also have been sent off for persistent cynical fouling?
Quote from: NDA on September 02, 2013, 08:38:33 AM
Didn't see yesterday's minor game as went to family Sunday dinner in spot that was showing Liverpool v Man Utd.
But a few thoughts, before the game the opinion I read from Roscommon was that this was an outstanding minor team with an outstanding manager. Roscommon were a much the better team than mayo in Connaught final and Fergal O'Donnell was a tactical genius who would no doubt have a plan to beat tyrone's system etc.
The opinion from Tyrone was this an average group of players who because of organisation and determination had maybe overachieved in reaching an all Ireland semi final.
After the game the reaction has been comical.
Suddenly Mayo are now a brilliant team who will hammer Tyrone in the final. I thought Roscommon were meant roll into Croke Park put on an exhibition of football to set up a 'dream' Connaught final rematch?
It seems from reports that Tyrone played with a sweeper it wasn't working so they changed tactics and beat Roscommon by going on the attack. Roscommon couldn't cope with this and Tyrone dominated last 10 minutes.
Tyrone people are still saying that this is an average group of players that have overachieved by reaching an All Ireland final but are proud of the spirit and determination within this team.
Interestingly some friends of mind from Kildare said after their game with Roscommon that Roscommon minors were the most cynical team they had ever seen. Roscommon had 1 player sent off that day for 2 rugby tackles thst day and they thought at least 2 more Roscommon players should also have been sent off for persistent cynical fouling?
If you didn't even see the match, never mind attend it, what can you contribute, apart from what "a friend" told you.
There is a reason Tyrone supporters have to keep defending their style of play - people aren't naturally disposed to be anti-Tyrone.
It actually is becoming comical how Tyrone are being singled out and the obvious misdemeanours of other teams ignored.
My friends from Kildare are very knowledge football people who were angry that the referee from Cavan didn't deal with Roscommon's persistent tactical fouling v Kildare.
Quote from: hardstation on September 02, 2013, 09:07:27 AM
This is brilliant.
(http://if%20we're%20being%20honest,%20no%20Roscommon%20team%20has%20any%20business%20being%20on%20the%20same%20field%20as%20a%20Tyrone%20team,%20never%20mind%20hoping%20to%20beat%20them.)
You have been defending Tyrone all year.. but what a daft to say. The Ross are excellent under age.
Quote from: Tubberman on September 02, 2013, 08:55:25 AM
Quote from: NDA on September 02, 2013, 08:38:33 AM
Didn't see yesterday's minor game as went to family Sunday dinner in spot that was showing Liverpool v Man Utd.
But a few thoughts, before the game the opinion I read from Roscommon was that this was an outstanding minor team with an outstanding manager. Roscommon were a much the better team than mayo in Connaught final and Fergal O'Donnell was a tactical genius who would no doubt have a plan to beat tyrone's system etc.
The opinion from Tyrone was this an average group of players who because of organisation and determination had maybe overachieved in reaching an all Ireland semi final.
After the game the reaction has been comical.
Suddenly Mayo are now a brilliant team who will hammer Tyrone in the final. I thought Roscommon were meant roll into Croke Park put on an exhibition of football to set up a 'dream' Connaught final rematch?
It seems from reports that Tyrone played with a sweeper it wasn't working so they changed tactics and beat Roscommon by going on the attack. Roscommon couldn't cope with this and Tyrone dominated last 10 minutes.
Tyrone people are still saying that this is an average group of players that have overachieved by reaching an All Ireland final but are proud of the spirit and determination within this team.
Interestingly some friends of mind from Kildare said after their game with Roscommon that Roscommon minors were the most cynical team they had ever seen. Roscommon had 1 player sent off that day for 2 rugby tackles thst day and they thought at least 2 more Roscommon players should also have been sent off for persistent cynical fouling?
If you didn't even see the match, never mind attend it, what can you contribute, apart from what "a friend" told you.
There is a reason Tyrone supporters have to keep defending their style of play - people aren't naturally disposed to be anti-Tyrone.
Tubberman, I hope for your own sake Horan does not buy into all this high brow crap being peddled on here. I hope he brings a game plan to the senior final which will not include going after the Dubs for 70 mins of pure football for the sake of entertaining the masses. If he does I am sure the GAA public will be delighted at the wonderfull spectacle which will unfold but you could very well be waiting for another 62 years before seeing Sam in Mayo hands. But sure won't it be great and won't you have lost another All Ireland playing free flowing football the way it should be played. This football snobbery is great for counties like Kerry with 30+ titles (and more cynical than most) and the Dubs with 20+, all of course achieved playing an open expansive game. Give us a break. Tyrone will be delighted if they can get over the line with this group of minors in the full knowledge that we will retain a fair whack of the team next year again.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on September 02, 2013, 02:04:47 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 02, 2013, 01:34:52 AM
Did Roscommon watch last weekends semi final and think Tyrone would be like Monaghan? Tyrone are in this cynical business to win trophies they don't care who they upset so long as they win and are now only one win away from their ninth minor All Ireland title.
We could always go out and play the nice brand of football we played in the 80's and 90's and get the results we deserved. I don't think many in Tyrone really care what you lot think anymore we may as well be hung for a sheep than a lamb. It's now part of our fabric that Tyrone turn out side's which are fully committed to go as far in all competitions as they can with the resources available. You may not like us but you sure as hell have to go out and beat us and be committed in every area of the pitch. If a Tyrone side senses weakness they will exploit it. If a Tyrone side feels they can defend their way to a win they will. If they feel the need to open up and attack a team to win they will. If they feel the need to push the limits of the rules to the maximum to win they will. After all the degrudgery of the all ireland wins of the 00's and the tragedies that team overcame we are beyond caring what our opponents think. When the rules of the game change we will be among the counties who will best adapt to the new circumstances and will be stronger for it.
Very good post in fairness.
I remember teams that Art had that were full of fine players and played nice football. Most of the better Tyrone players that I ve seen do not have celtic crosses. McKenna, McGuigan the Elder, McCabe, Donaghy etc. What you say is true. Tyrone found a way to win and can adapt again if circumstances demand that they do.
Maybe this has been mentioned on here before but did any of ye see the point that Connor McKenna scored from the right hand side running through and the umpires waved it wide?
They were showing McKenna's highlights on TSG but I was wondering was that given by the ref or not?
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 02, 2013, 11:23:08 AM
Maybe this has been mentioned on here before but did any of ye see the point that Connor McKenna scored from the right hand side running through and the umpires waved it wide?
They were showing McKenna's highlights on TSG but I was wondering was that given by the ref or not?
Is that the point that went to Hawkeye? Umpires were overruled and hawkeye (and the ref) ruled it as a point.
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 02, 2013, 11:23:08 AM
Maybe this has been mentioned on here before but did any of ye see the point that Connor McKenna scored from the right hand side running through and the umpires waved it wide?
They were showing McKenna's highlights on TSG but I was wondering was that given by the ref or not?
Umpire signalled wide, the ball was kicked out and in play and the referee saw the replay on the big screen and it made him go to Hawkeye. Dunno what the rules are with regards using the big screen to reverse decisions, particularly after play has restarted but it was an obvious point.
Quote from: Syferus on September 02, 2013, 12:19:51 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 02, 2013, 11:23:08 AM
Maybe this has been mentioned on here before but did any of ye see the point that Connor McKenna scored from the right hand side running through and the umpires waved it wide?
They were showing McKenna's highlights on TSG but I was wondering was that given by the ref or not?
Umpire signalled wide, the ball was kicked out and in play and the referee saw the replay on the big screen and it made him go to Hawkeye. Dunno what the rules are with regards using the big screen to reverse decisions, particularly after play has restarted but it was an obvious point.
I don't think it was the big screen replay. Apparently the hawk-eye supervisor alerted the ref that he should 'go upstairs' and get hawk-eye called into action.
Quote from: Tubberman on September 02, 2013, 12:24:49 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 02, 2013, 12:19:51 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 02, 2013, 11:23:08 AM
Maybe this has been mentioned on here before but did any of ye see the point that Connor McKenna scored from the right hand side running through and the umpires waved it wide?
They were showing McKenna's highlights on TSG but I was wondering was that given by the ref or not?
Umpire signalled wide, the ball was kicked out and in play and the referee saw the replay on the big screen and it made him go to Hawkeye. Dunno what the rules are with regards using the big screen to reverse decisions, particularly after play has restarted but it was an obvious point.
I don't think it was the big screen replay. Apparently the hawk-eye supervisor alerted the ref that he should 'go upstairs' and get hawk-eye called into action.
Fair enough. It's there to do the job, no one wants to win a match because an umpire is blind.
I didn't see it live so I didn't know what the outcome was so thanks for clearing that up.
It's good to see that scores or wides are getting noticed now but is it worrying how many might have been missed in the past.
Quote from: Syferus on September 02, 2013, 12:29:54 PM
Fair enough. It's there to do the job, no one wants to win a match because an umpire is blind.
If Mayo win Sam because an umpire has projectile volcanic diarrhoea it won't bother me.
Quote from: NDA on September 02, 2013, 08:38:33 AM
before the game the opinion I read from Roscommon was that this was an outstanding minor team with an outstanding manager. Roscommon were a much the better team than mayo in Connaught final and Fergal O'Donnell was a tactical genius who would no doubt have a plan to beat tyrone's system etc.
After the game the reaction has been comical.
Suddenly Mayo are now a brilliant team who will hammer Tyrone in the final. I thought Roscommon were meant roll into Croke Park put on an exhibition of football to set up a 'dream' Connaught final rematch?
Interestingly some friends of mind from Kildare said after their game with Roscommon that Roscommon minors were the most cynical team they had ever seen. Roscommon had 1 player sent off that day for 2 rugby tackles thst day and they thought at least 2 more Roscommon players should also have been sent off for persistent cynical fouling?
The above post is so full of sh1te that I probably should ignore it as you're obviously a Syfín imitator but with half his IQ.
No one in Roscommon thought we were going to roll into Croke Park and get to the AI Final. We were hopeful but no more.
Like yesterday we had a load of possession in the Connacht Final but made poor enough use of it.
As for "your Kildare friends" - I suspect they, like you don't go to games either.
The Ros lad that was sent off against them got his first yella for a silly round the neck challenge on a Kildare forward and gave them a free in a scoring position. The second one was out around midfield when he tried to tackle the ball, missed and in falling brought down the Kildare lad and rather daftly grabbed his legs for which he got another yella.
The reason Kildare lost was because they were not good on the day, had a rather loose defence and a poor goalkeeper.
No doubt you'll be the type that will get a ticket for the final and attend your first game of 2013.... :P
Rossfan I suggest you read again the comments from Roscommon supporters on this forum and others forums in the build up to the game.
Just to let you know I have lost count of how many club and county games I have attended this year but had a family function to attend last Sunday, otherwise I would have been in Croke Park.
My Kildare friends were in Tullamore to watch Kildare minors v Roscommon as they are ardent Kildare supporters and know their football.
They admit Kildare were poor particularly goalkeeper and full back line. But they were angered that ref allowed Roscommon to persistently foul Kildare trying to build attacks from their own half. They thought the ref didn't have the bottle to send more roscommon players off.
Yes Rossfan it probably should be ignored but anyways..
Quote from: NDA on September 02, 2013, 08:38:33 AM
before the game the opinion I read from Roscommon was that this was an outstanding minor team with an outstanding manager.
Roscommon were a much the better team than mayo in Connaught final and Fergal O'Donnell was a tactical genius who would no doubt have a plan to beat tyrone's system etc.
Would outstanding team concede three goals like we did in the Connacht final? apart from the naive defending we played fairly well against a very good Mayo side but we gave ourselves a mountain to climb. Tactical genius i'm not sure where that came from? but Fergal has more than proven himself as decent manager at this stage and in hindsight we didn't have the quality of the last few minors teams so to get within one score of reaching AI final was probably exceeding expectations from what we expected at the start of year.
Quote from: NDA on September 02, 2013, 08:38:33 AM
The opinion from Tyrone was this an average group of players who because of organisation and determination had maybe overachieved in reaching an all Ireland semi final.
I suppose any Tyrone side that doesn't win Ulster title will be classed as average nowadays however since then you have beaten two decent teams to reach the AI final you have around 11 that will be minor again next year so maybe you did overachieve.
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Quote from: NDA on September 02, 2013, 08:38:33 AM
After the game the reaction has been comical.
Suddenly Mayo are now a brilliant team who will hammer Tyrone in the final. I thought Roscommon were meant roll into Croke Park put on an exhibition of football to set up a 'dream' Connaught final rematch?
It's comical you thought that, the way Tyrone are set up they won't be hammered however i still expect Mayo to win by about 4-6 points.
Quote from: NDA on September 02, 2013, 08:38:33 AM
Interestingly some friends of mind from Kildare said after their game with Roscommon that Roscommon minors were the most cynical team they had ever seen. Roscommon had 1 player sent off that day for 2 rugby tackles thst day and they thought at least 2 more Roscommon players should also have been sent off for persistent cynical fouling?
We had one player sent off for two fouls against Kildare & you will need to ask these Kildare friends who the others were & they were certainly watching a different than i was. Like i said already that goal we conceded yesterday and indeed the three in Connacht final wouldn't be scored if we were using cynical fouling so enough of the nonsense.
Quote from: hardstation on September 02, 2013, 09:07:27 AM
This is brilliant.
If we're being honest, no Roscommon team has any business being on the same field as a Tyrone team, never mind hoping to beat them.
Far from brilliant if thats the best comment you can come up with. Maybe i should post something similar after your U-21 hurlers face Clare. ::)
Quote from: Rois on September 02, 2013, 11:37:58 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 02, 2013, 11:23:08 AM
Maybe this has been mentioned on here before but did any of ye see the point that Connor McKenna scored from the right hand side running through and the umpires waved it wide?
They were showing McKenna's highlights on TSG but I was wondering was that given by the ref or not?
Is that the point that went to Hawkeye? Umpires were overruled and hawkeye (and the ref) ruled it as a point.
I was on the Nally terrace & could see without the need of TV replay that it was clear point. Goes to show how blind umpires are.
Quote from: hardstation on September 02, 2013, 04:12:22 PM
Quote from: ross4life on September 02, 2013, 03:47:11 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 02, 2013, 09:07:27 AM
This is brilliant.
If we're being honest, no Roscommon team has any business being on the same field as a Tyrone team, never mind hoping to beat them.
Far from brilliant if thats the best comment you can come up with. Maybe i should post something similar after your U-21 hurlers face Clare. ::)
I could tell you that now, before we face Clare. You are right though. Antrim v Clare in hurling is like Roscommon v Tyrone in football. Shite v Good. You're kidding yourself if you think different.
I can tell you now that Antrim won't get within one score of beating Clare now take your shite elsewhere like a good lad.
Quote from: ross4life on September 02, 2013, 03:47:11 PM
but Fergal has more than proven himself as decent manager at this stage and in hindsight we didn't have the quality of the last few minors teams so to get within one score of reaching AI final was probably exceeding expectations from what we expected at the start of year.
Getting so close to an AI final appearance with that squad was a good achievement by Fergal and his crew. They left few stones unturned as usual. No doubt they'll be re appointed unless they decide to step down.
A lot of people are now slating him for not bringing on a slew of subs. In reality there wasn't much quality on the bench.
Best thing we can do now is see which of the lads who are in their last minor year might make good Seniors and start developing them from here.
I think Harney's a cert, Murtagh probably with Daly, Compton and O'Rourke pretty likely too. Not sure about the rest but sure we'll see how they fare at U21.
As for next year's minors - if the last 2 U16s are any guide we won't be too strong again.
As for Hardstation and his sh1te about Ros not being fit to be on the same field as Tyrone - FCUK OFF YA B*****. :-*
Quote from: Rossfan on September 02, 2013, 04:19:51 PM
Quote from: ross4life on September 02, 2013, 03:47:11 PM
but Fergal has more than proven himself as decent manager at this stage and in hindsight we didn't have the quality of the last few minors teams so to get within one score of reaching AI final was probably exceeding expectations from what we expected at the start of year.
Getting so close to an AI final appearance with that squad was a good achievement by Fergal and his crew. They left few stones unturned as usual. No doubt they'll be re appointed unless they decide to step down.
A lot of people are now slating him for not bringing on a slew of subs. In reality there wasn't much quality on the bench.
Best thing we can do now is see which of the lads who are in their last minor year might make good Seniors and start developing them from here.
I think Harney's a cert, Murtagh probably with Daly, Compton and O'Rourke pretty likely too. Not sure about the rest but sure we'll see how they fare at U21.
As for next year's minors - if the last 2 U16s are any guide we won't be too strong again.
We had some capable subs didn't make sense why didn't use them when some of our players were out on their feet?
Plenty of good individuals on our minors team that should make the step up they remind me of the 2009 minor team and number of them went on to play U-21 final v Dublin. Judging by our U-16 results over the last few years we may have to take a back seat at minor level however you never know if Fergal & co stays on.
Also, did anyone notice the Tyrone sub that came on with GPS written on his two arms?
Quote from: hardstation on September 02, 2013, 04:12:22 PM
Quote from: ross4life on September 02, 2013, 03:47:11 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 02, 2013, 09:07:27 AM
This is brilliant.
If we're being honest, no Roscommon team has any business being on the same field as a Tyrone team, never mind hoping to beat them.
Far from brilliant if thats the best comment you can come up with. Maybe i should post something similar after your U-21 hurlers face Clare. ::)
I could tell you that now, before we face Clare. You are right though. Antrim v Clare in hurling is like Roscommon v Tyrone in football. Shite v Good. You're kidding yourself if you think different.
I never knew you were Gold's father. How the young ladeen keeping?
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 02, 2013, 04:46:22 PM
Also, did anyone notice the Tyrone sub that came on with GPS written on his two arms?
You mean the sub from your neighboring Club?
;D
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 02, 2013, 06:44:16 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on September 02, 2013, 06:39:51 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 02, 2013, 04:46:22 PM
Also, did anyone notice the Tyrone sub that came on with GPS written on his two arms?
You mean the sub from your neighboring Club?
;D
I take it the vest he was supposed to wear under his jersey wasn't working? :P
That's technology for you up here sur. That's as good as we get.
His mammy wanted something back from the shop for the dinner, gas, Potatoes and sausages.
Quote from: hardstation on September 02, 2013, 09:07:27 AM
This is brilliant.
If we're being honest, no Roscommon team has any business being on the same field as a Tyrone team, never mind hoping to beat them.
They won all Ireland's long before Tyrone did.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 02, 2013, 06:59:45 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 02, 2013, 09:07:27 AM
This is brilliant.
If we're being honest, no Roscommon team has any business being on the same field as a Tyrone team, never mind hoping to beat them.
They won all Ireland's long before Tyrone did.
They were winners before Churchill was.
Quote from: muppet on September 02, 2013, 07:06:45 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 02, 2013, 06:59:45 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 02, 2013, 09:07:27 AM
This is brilliant.
If we're being honest, no Roscommon team has any business being on the same field as a Tyrone team, never mind hoping to beat them.
They won all Ireland's long before Tyrone did.
They were winners before Churchill was.
Retained their AI as well!
Quote from: hardstation on September 02, 2013, 09:07:27 AM
This is brilliant.
If we're being honest, no Roscommon team has any business being on the same field as a Tyrone team, never mind hoping to beat them.
How the moderators can let this post go is beyond me. Over 20k posts and this is the best your can come up with. F"cktard.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 02, 2013, 06:59:45 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 02, 2013, 09:07:27 AM
This is brilliant.
If we're being honest, no Roscommon team has any business being on the same field as a Tyrone team, never mind hoping to beat them.
They won all Ireland's long before Tyrone did.
Football only started in 2003 don't ye know .
Quote from: Rudi on September 02, 2013, 09:09:33 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 02, 2013, 09:07:27 AM
This is brilliant.
If we're being honest, no Roscommon team has any business being on the same field as a Tyrone team, never mind hoping to beat them.
How the moderators can let this post go is beyond me. Over 20k posts and this is the best your can come up with. F"cktard.
It might upset some readers, for a minute, but it is hardly a cause for moderators.
Quote from: muppet on September 02, 2013, 09:31:53 PM
Quote from: Rudi on September 02, 2013, 09:09:33 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 02, 2013, 09:07:27 AM
This is brilliant.
If we're being honest, no Roscommon team has any business being on the same field as a Tyrone team, never mind hoping to beat them.
How the moderators can let this post go is beyond me. Over 20k posts and this is the best your can come up with. F"cktard.
It might upset some readers, for a minute, but it is hardly a cause for moderators.
All things in moderation
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 02, 2013, 07:11:21 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 02, 2013, 07:06:45 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 02, 2013, 06:59:45 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 02, 2013, 09:07:27 AM
This is brilliant.
If we're being honest, no Roscommon team has any business being on the same field as a Tyrone team, never mind hoping to beat them.
They won all Ireland's long before Tyrone did.
They were winners before Churchill was.
Retained their AI as well!
And what a man to do the business. Anyone who didn't get a pleasure of meeting Jimmy Murray is lesser for it.
Time for the second Rossie to lift Sam. C'mon ye Rhus.
Larryin89. Any chance you could f**k away off to hogan stand? No doubt, that's were you previously talked dung on. You have been a member here a little over 2 months , and you currently rival Mike Sheehy for being the most hated bastard on GAA board. At least he is trying to get a rise from people every now and then, you are just a tool. I would love to see Mayo win an all Ireland , but would also love to see them stuffed , just because of your arrogance. Is that possible?? Slide on ta f**k please?
Quote from: cadhlancian on September 03, 2013, 04:51:39 AM
Larryin89. Any chance you could f**k away off to hogan stand? No doubt, that's were you previously talked dung on. You have been a member here a little over 2 months , and you currently rival Mike Sheehy for being the most hated b**tard on GAA board. At least he is trying to get a rise from people every now and then, you are just a tool. I would love to see Mayo win an all Ireland , but would also love to see them stuffed , just because of your arrogance. Is that possible?? Slide on ta f**k please?
Holy god.
Sour grapes from the Roscommon fans, both teams were as cynical as the other. Every team that plays the game commit 'cynical' fouls, towards the end of the Dublin/Kerry game you had the Kerry sub who pulled back a Dublin forward as the Dub had beat him and had a clean enough route to goal from between the right half forward and right corner forward position, nothing said about that. You also had Paddy Andrews on a Kerry mans back fr 5 or 6 seconds looking a lift, nothing said about that either. Only one team allowed to be targeted in this debate. Its like thon whingebag O'Sullivan after Tyrone beat Kerry minors, he seemed to forget the penalty that Tyrone won and how his player behaved in that instance.
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 03, 2013, 10:27:27 AM
Sour grapes from the Roscommon fans, both teams were as cynical as the other. Every team that plays the game commit 'cynical' fouls, towards the end of the Dublin/Kerry game you had the Kerry sub who pulled back a Dublin forward as the Dub had beat him and had a clean enough route to goal from between the right half forward and right corner forward position, nothing said about that. You also had Paddy Andrews on a Kerry mans back fr 5 or 6 seconds looking a lift, nothing said about that either. Only one team allowed to be targeted in this debate. Its like thon whingebag O'Sullivan after Tyrone beat Kerry minors, he seemed to forget the penalty that Tyrone won and how his player behaved in that instance.
I don't think the Tyrone witch hunt will bother any of the players or managers too much. I would think they will do what ever they need to do to win All Ireland titles and that is fine by me.
The problem most people have with Tyrone is Micky Butter wouldn't melt in his mouth Harte ( Like Boylan previously) all nice and holier than thou sending out teams to "do whatever it takes to win".
Kerry and Dublin always did likewise but their managers usually had a "roguish glint in the eye" when talking out of the other side of their mouth. Not that that made it alright but you knew they were only spoofing - a bit like Jim Gavin spouting about the "Dublin way of playing football" last Sunday.
MH is offering opinions on everyone and everything but then going out of his way to try and stifle any initiative that might eradicate foul play from the game.
He gets away with it as we get a watery "black card" from Administrators afraid of their own shadows ( presumably looking to be elected to higher offices) who won't tell County managers and other big names to eff off for themselves.
Until it stops paying to deliberately foul the cynicism will continue. :-\
Quote from: EC Unique on September 03, 2013, 11:04:29 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 03, 2013, 10:27:27 AM
Sour grapes from the Roscommon fans, both teams were as cynical as the other. Every team that plays the game commit 'cynical' fouls, towards the end of the Dublin/Kerry game you had the Kerry sub who pulled back a Dublin forward as the Dub had beat him and had a clean enough route to goal from between the right half forward and right corner forward position, nothing said about that. You also had Paddy Andrews on a Kerry mans back fr 5 or 6 seconds looking a lift, nothing said about that either. Only one team allowed to be targeted in this debate. Its like thon whingebag O'Sullivan after Tyrone beat Kerry minors, he seemed to forget the penalty that Tyrone won and how his player behaved in that instance.
I don't think the Tyrone witch hunt will bother any of the players or managers too much. I would think they will do what ever they need to do to win All Ireland titles and that is fine by me.
Really? Where do you draw the line on doing 'whatever it takes to win'? I don't think there is any witch hunt on Tyrone, the only reason Tyrone are regularly mentioned is due to the fact they are probably the most negative and cynical of the high profile teams (Mayo, Cork, Dublin and Kerry). There's no point referencing a few incidents in the Dublin/Kerry game as the quality of the game was so high incidents like that were never going to garner attention.
The incidents you mentioned are exactly the type of thing we need to eradicate but there's no point trying to defend Tyrone by pointing the finger elsewhere when Tyrone deserve much of the criticism they receive and maybe this is a reflection that 'doing whatever it takes' is acceptable in Tyrone. If Tyrone posters around here are anything to go by it is and there;s the problem. It's one thing doing what Canavagh did (which I've no problem with) and doing it 10 minutes in at the other end of the field to slow a potential attack which has become all to common.
Quote from: Zulu on September 03, 2013, 12:29:41 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on September 03, 2013, 11:04:29 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 03, 2013, 10:27:27 AM
Sour grapes from the Roscommon fans, both teams were as cynical as the other. Every team that plays the game commit 'cynical' fouls, towards the end of the Dublin/Kerry game you had the Kerry sub who pulled back a Dublin forward as the Dub had beat him and had a clean enough route to goal from between the right half forward and right corner forward position, nothing said about that. You also had Paddy Andrews on a Kerry mans back fr 5 or 6 seconds looking a lift, nothing said about that either. Only one team allowed to be targeted in this debate. Its like thon whingebag O'Sullivan after Tyrone beat Kerry minors, he seemed to forget the penalty that Tyrone won and how his player behaved in that instance.
I don't think the Tyrone witch hunt will bother any of the players or managers too much. I would think they will do what ever they need to do to win All Ireland titles and that is fine by me.
Really? Where do you draw the line on doing 'whatever it takes to win'? I don't think there is any witch hunt on Tyrone, the only reason Tyrone are regularly mentioned is due to the fact they are probably the most negative and cynical of the high profile teams (Mayo, Cork, Dublin and Kerry). There's no point referencing a few incidents in the Dublin/Kerry game as the quality of the game was so high incidents like that were never going to garner attention.
The incidents you mentioned are exactly the type of thing we need to eradicate but there's no point trying to defend Tyrone by pointing the finger elsewhere when Tyrone deserve much of the criticism they receive and maybe this is a reflection that 'doing whatever it takes' is acceptable in Tyrone. If Tyrone posters around here are anything to go by it is and there;s the problem. It's one thing doing what Canavagh did (which I've no problem with) and doing it 10 minutes in at the other end of the field to slow a potential attack which has become all to common.
So cynical fouling is acceptable as long as the rest of the game is good?
Since you apparently didn't bother reading the next paragraph I'll refer to the very next line in my post -
"The incidents you mentioned are exactly the type of thing we need to eradicate"
The point I'm making is when a game is brilliant the negative aspects aren't going garner much attention in the same way that an awful game is not going to get much reference to the good passages of play or scores. That's simply the way it is and probably the way it should be.
Tackling the man without attempting to play the ball is a sending off offence as far as I'm concerned as there is no need to do it unless you are being cynical and throw in a 5 game ban if as well. This rubbish needs to be swept away, it's a blight on the game and no (reasonable) punishment is too harsh to achieve this goal.
Quote from: Zulu on September 03, 2013, 12:42:08 PM
Since you apparently didn't bother reading the next paragraph I'll refer to the very next line in my post -
"The incidents you mentioned are exactly the type of thing we need to eradicate"
The point I'm making is when a game is brilliant the negative aspects aren't going garner much attention in the same way that an awful game is not going to get much reference to the good passages of play or scores. That's simply the way it is and probably the way it should be.
Tackling the man without attempting to play the ball is a sending off offence as far as I'm concerned as there is no need to do it unless you are being cynical and throw in a 5 game ban if as well. This rubbish needs to be swept away, it's a blight on the game and no (reasonable) punishment is too harsh to achieve this goal.
Eventually, will a severe punishment only go to serve the bigger counties with the bigger squads ?
Just using Dublin as an example of how they've got at the minute a serious strength in depth, if Dublin got 5 men sent off in a match and got them all 5 game bans, surely with Dublin's bigger bench and playing population, they'd be hurt less if say for example some of the smaller counties lost 5 players to 5 game bans ?
If the deterrent is severe enough then few players will commit those fouls so longterm it shouldn't be an issue. The ability of refs to adjudicate tackles properly is another matter however
Quote from: orangeman on September 03, 2013, 12:47:31 PM
Eventually, will a severe punishment only go to serve the bigger counties with the bigger squads ?
So do we reverse the hurling rule of thumb and only send off lads from the big Counties??
"Ahhh I couldn't send off the Laythrum buck because they have such a small number of players"
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 03, 2013, 10:27:27 AM
Sour grapes from the Roscommon fans, both teams were as cynical as the other.
What game did you watch & what posts were you reading. If they were it would be ross in the final and its hardly sour grapes if someone calls something that they see in front of them.
Quote from: cadhlancian on September 03, 2013, 04:51:39 AM
Larryin89. Any chance you could f**k away off to hogan stand? No doubt, that's were you previously talked dung on. You have been a member here a little over 2 months , and you currently rival Mike Sheehy for being the most hated b**tard on GAA board. At least he is trying to get a rise from people every now and then, you are just a tool. I would love to see Mayo win an all Ireland , but would also love to see them stuffed , just because of your arrogance. Is that possible?? Slide on ta f**k please?
Harsh and OTT
And nobody is more hated than TF on this board
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 03, 2013, 03:32:48 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on September 03, 2013, 04:51:39 AM
Larryin89. Any chance you could f**k away off to hogan stand? No doubt, that's were you previously talked dung on. You have been a member here a little over 2 months , and you currently rival Mike Sheehy for being the most hated b**tard on GAA board. At least he is trying to get a rise from people every now and then, you are just a tool. I would love to see Mayo win an all Ireland , but would also love to see them stuffed , just because of your arrogance. Is that possible?? Slide on ta f**k please?
Harsh and OTT
And nobody is more hated than TF on this board
neither harsh nor OTT. The vitriol he has been spouting the last month has him in select company . I've said my piece. Done.
Hi guys,
Later than planned, analysis of Tyrone's minor win over Roscommon is now up here
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7626
Emmet
Quote from: emmetryan on September 03, 2013, 09:20:57 PM
Hi guys,
Later than planned, analysis of Tyrone's minor win over Roscommon is now up here
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7626
Emmet
Thought our Club man might have got a mention there. Came on after 38 mins, scored one, assisted two, and won two frees as well! Or maybe it's a ruse to keep him under the radar. Like it! :)
I was very impressed by him but didn't have room this time. I'll fit him in for the longer version in the book!
No bother.
Was only having a laugh anyway!
:-)
Quote from: Rossfan on September 03, 2013, 11:17:18 AM
The problem most people have with Tyrone is Micky Butter wouldn't melt in his mouth Harte ( Like Boylan previously) all nice and holier than thou sending out teams to "do whatever it takes to win".
Kerry and Dublin always did likewise but their managers usually had a "roguish glint in the eye" when talking out of the other side of their mouth. Not that that made it alright but you knew they were only spoofing - a bit like Jim Gavin spouting about the "Dublin way of playing football" last Sunday.
MH is offering opinions on everyone and everything but then going out of his way to try and stifle any initiative that might eradicate foul play from the game.
He gets away with it as we get a watery "black card" from Administrators afraid of their own shadows ( presumably looking to be elected to higher offices) who won't tell County managers and other big names to eff off for themselves.
Until it stops paying to deliberately foul the cynicism will continue. :-\
Throw a couple of inverted commas in there like a good lad.
There could be children reading this.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 03, 2013, 03:32:48 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on September 03, 2013, 04:51:39 AM
Larryin89. Any chance you could f**k away off to hogan stand? No doubt, that's were you previously talked dung on. You have been a member here a little over 2 months , and you currently rival Mike Sheehy for being the most hated b**tard on GAA board. At least he is trying to get a rise from people every now and then, you are just a tool. I would love to see Mayo win an all Ireland , but would also love to see them stuffed , just because of your arrogance. Is that possible?? Slide on ta f**k please?
Harsh and OTT
And nobody is more hated than TF on this board
well slipped in sir, fnarr, fnarr.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 05, 2013, 04:09:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 03, 2013, 11:17:18 AM
The problem most people have with Tyrone is Micky Butter wouldn't melt in his mouth Harte ( Like Boylan previously) all nice and holier than thou sending out teams to "do whatever it takes to win".
Kerry and Dublin always did likewise but their managers usually had a "roguish glint in the eye" when talking out of the other side of their mouth. Not that that made it alright but you knew they were only spoofing - a bit like Jim Gavin spouting about the "Dublin way of playing football" last Sunday.
MH is offering opinions on everyone and everything but then going out of his way to try and stifle any initiative that might eradicate foul play from the game.
He gets away with it as we get a watery "black card" from Administrators afraid of their own shadows ( presumably looking to be elected to higher offices) who won't tell County managers and other big names to eff off for themselves.
Until it stops paying to deliberately foul the cynicism will continue. :-\
Throw a couple of inverted commas in there like a good lad.
There could be children reading this.
Sorry Jinx.
Good to see somebody's thinking of the children in all this :D
So Conor Lane (of Connacht final fame) ::) is reffing the final. He better do a better job than Connacht final.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 12, 2013, 07:46:58 PM
So Conor Lane (of Connacht final fame) ::) is reffing the final. He better do a better job than Connacht final.
Connacht minor final? Did an acceptable job in that game. And yeah, that was a penalty.
Quote from: Syferus on September 12, 2013, 08:51:31 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 12, 2013, 07:46:58 PM
So Conor Lane (of Connacht final fame) ::) is reffing the final. He better do a better job than Connacht final.
Connacht minor final? Did an acceptable job in that game. And yeah, that was a penalty.
No, the Senior final, where he allowed he London players get away with so much...
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 12, 2013, 08:57:59 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 12, 2013, 08:51:31 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 12, 2013, 07:46:58 PM
So Conor Lane (of Connacht final fame) ::) is reffing the final. He better do a better job than Connacht final.
Connacht minor final? Did an acceptable job in that game. And yeah, that was a penalty.
No, the Senior final, where he allowed he London players get away with so much...
The last 15 minutes were a free for all for London. Mayo players were just playing dodgeball!
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 12, 2013, 08:57:59 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 12, 2013, 08:51:31 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 12, 2013, 07:46:58 PM
So Conor Lane (of Connacht final fame) ::) is reffing the final. He better do a better job than Connacht final.
Connacht minor final? Did an acceptable job in that game. And yeah, that was a penalty.
No, the Senior final, where he allowed he London players get away with so much...
Ah shite. He's perfect for Tyrone. I hope he's done his homework on the teams and the Mayo management drill into him what Tyrone are going to attempt to do.
I've heard no word but I assume there's no chance of Cian making an appearance given he fracture his collarbone in the semi. Big loss.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 12, 2013, 09:17:30 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 12, 2013, 08:57:59 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 12, 2013, 08:51:31 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 12, 2013, 07:46:58 PM
So Conor Lane (of Connacht final fame) ::) is reffing the final. He better do a better job than Connacht final.
Connacht minor final? Did an acceptable job in that game. And yeah, that was a penalty.
No, the Senior final, where he allowed he London players get away with so much...
The last 15 minutes were a free for all for London. Mayo players were just playing dodgeball!
Jaysus have no recollection of that at all, must watch it again. Was still pissed at game - wedding night before :-[
Tyrone lads fed raw meat tonight.
I haven't fancied Tyrone minors once this year, but yet they're still there.
I don't fancy Tyrone minors again this Sunday.
Mayo will join a very elite club if they win both minors and seniors on Sunday.
Not one of better Tyrone minors teams however didn't have to be and this final is nicely set up for Tyrone to win.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 17, 2013, 10:15:01 PM
Not one of better Tyrone minors teams however didn't have to be and this final is nicely set up for Tyrone to win.
Beyond the referee they have nothing to point towards them winning the match. Maybe he's enough, but I'd doubt it.
Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2013, 08:45:07 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 17, 2013, 10:15:01 PM
Not one of better Tyrone minors teams however didn't have to be and this final is nicely set up for Tyrone to win.
Beyond the referee they have nothing to point towards them winning the match. Maybe he's enough, but I'd doubt it.
Good one. So referee's are the reason they have got to the final?
Looking forward to this as it's great having an interest in both matches on the big day for the first time. Mayo have had a good run although the quarter final and semi final were easier than expected compared to getting out of Connacht. Hanley is a big loss but Prendergast will probably strengthen the midfield and Diarmad O' Connor won't weaken the half forward line which I think is his best position anyway. Goals have been the theme of this Mayo minor team and I think they will need two or three to keep Tyrone at bay as our full back looked shaky in the Monaghan game but on the plus side they were a stubborn wall of resistance in the Connacht final when the Rossies cleaned us out around the middle.
Tyrone as always are packed full of tidy footballers who have top notch basic skills , are as tough as teak and will guard possesion so they can pick off points to wear you down. McKenna , Burns and McShane (when introduced) will take some stopping and if the Tyrone management are a little less defensive from the off against Mayo it could be another final loss for Mayo. I actually think contrary to the media sh#te spouted that the red hands will go all out for this early and with Mayo having goals all over the forwards it could be a high scoring game.I'll tip Mayo to win by 2 or 3 if they keep the gaols scored column at 2 or 3.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 03, 2013, 03:32:48 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on September 03, 2013, 04:51:39 AM
Larryin89. Any chance you could f**k away off to hogan stand? No doubt, that's were you previously talked dung on. You have been a member here a little over 2 months , and you currently rival Mike Sheehy for being the most hated b**tard on GAA board. At least he is trying to get a rise from people every now and then, you are just a tool. I would love to see Mayo win an all Ireland , but would also love to see them stuffed , just because of your arrogance. Is that possible?? Slide on ta f**k please?
Harsh and OTT
And nobody is more hated than TF on this board
Who's TF when he's at home?
Surely it's not Tony Fearon, the biggest troll of the lot on this board. This lad talks through both ends with equal facility and often simultaneously.
Anyone who takes Tony seriously should go and have a chat with someone in a white coat.
There are others who are nastier by far and much more vindictive than the latest version of The Bard of Armagh.
Anyone got a list of times both seniors and minors won the AI in the same year?
I see you have to go back to 1985 to when Mayo won it last.
Like their seniors they've lost a few in the last 20 years.
With the exception of last year, it's been a long time since Kerry & Dublin won a minor AI
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Ireland_Minor_Football_Championship (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Ireland_Minor_Football_Championship)
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 18, 2013, 09:04:45 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2013, 08:45:07 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 17, 2013, 10:15:01 PM
Not one of better Tyrone minors teams however didn't have to be and this final is nicely set up for Tyrone to win.
Beyond the referee they have nothing to point towards them winning the match. Maybe he's enough, but I'd doubt it.
Good one. So referee's are the reason they have got to the final?
Yip. A team playing like this Tyrone team next year will be lucky to get out of their province. A dying style, hopefully.
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 18, 2013, 12:23:43 PM
Anyone got a list of times both seniors and minors won the AI in the same year?
About 2.45 and 5 o'clock?? ;D
Kerry - 1931,1937,1946, 1975 and 1980.
Dublin 1958
Tyrone 2008
With thanks to Willie Hegarty in the Ros Herald.
Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2013, 08:45:07 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 17, 2013, 10:15:01 PM
Not one of better Tyrone minors teams however didn't have to be and this final is nicely set up for Tyrone to win.
Beyond the referee they have nothing to point towards them winning the match. Maybe he's enough, but I'd doubt it.
Mayo beat Roscommon by three points and they are unbeatable while Tyrone beat Roscommon by two points and they have no chance apart from the referee?
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 18, 2013, 12:23:43 PM
Anyone got a list of times both seniors and minors won the AI in the same year?
I see you have to go back to 1985 to when Mayo won it last.
Like their seniors they've lost a few in the last 20 years.
With the exception of last year, it's been a long time since Kerry & Dublin won a minor AI
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Ireland_Minor_Football_Championship (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Ireland_Minor_Football_Championship)
Like the seniors six All Ireland final defeats in a row for Mayo. If Tyrone win on Sunday it will be six All Ireland final wins in a row.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 18, 2013, 05:21:17 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2013, 08:45:07 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 17, 2013, 10:15:01 PM
Not one of better Tyrone minors teams however didn't have to be and this final is nicely set up for Tyrone to win.
Beyond the referee they have nothing to point towards them winning the match. Maybe he's enough, but I'd doubt it.
Mayo beat Roscommon by three points and they are unbeatable while Tyrone beat Roscommon by two points and they have no chance apart from the referee?
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 18, 2013, 12:23:43 PM
Anyone got a list of times both seniors and minors won the AI in the same year?
I see you have to go back to 1985 to when Mayo won it last.
Like their seniors they've lost a few in the last 20 years.
With the exception of last year, it's been a long time since Kerry & Dublin won a minor AI
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Ireland_Minor_Football_Championship (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Ireland_Minor_Football_Championship)
Like the seniors six All Ireland final defeats in a row for Mayo. If Tyrone win on Sunday it will be six All Ireland final wins in a row.
Mayo are taking their chances while we didn't apart from the Kildare game. Tyrone to make a game of it but nothing more.
Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2013, 07:23:35 PM
Mayo are taking their chances while we didn't apart from the Kildare game. Tyrone to make a game of it but nothing more.
Tyrone scored the same against Roscommon as Mayo did, it's not those sides problem if Roscommon can't take their chances.
It will be interesting to see 31 counties supporting Tyrone minors tomorrow. Everyone afraid of total mayo domination where they to win both. Expect to see the dibs in behind Tyrone
Quote from: rrhf on September 19, 2013, 06:51:53 AM
It will be interesting to see 31 counties supporting Tyrone minors tomorrow. Everyone afraid of total mayo domination where they to win both. Expect to see the dibs in behind Tyrone
come outta the fog good ladeen.where are the dibs from
Quote from: sans pessimism on September 19, 2013, 09:44:12 AM
Quote from: rrhf on September 19, 2013, 06:51:53 AM
It will be interesting to see 31 counties supporting Tyrone minors tomorrow. Everyone afraid of total mayo domination where they to win both. Expect to see the dibs in behind Tyrone
come outta the fog good ladeen.where are the dibs from
Diblin of course!
Go into the Hill and shout
'Oh come on Diblin!' and see how friendly the reaction will be.
Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2013, 12:41:38 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 18, 2013, 09:04:45 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2013, 08:45:07 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 17, 2013, 10:15:01 PM
Not one of better Tyrone minors teams however didn't have to be and this final is nicely set up for Tyrone to win.
Beyond the referee they have nothing to point towards them winning the match. Maybe he's enough, but I'd doubt it.
Good one. So referee's are the reason they have got to the final?
Yip. A team playing like this Tyrone team next year will be lucky to get out of their province. A dying style, hopefully.
Oh dear.. we have a sore looser..
Looks like the art of spelling is well and truly dead in Tir Eoghain ;D
In Tyrone learning how to cheat trumps learning how to spell.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 19, 2013, 12:59:48 PM
In Tyrone learning how to cheat trumps learning how to spell.
I wonder who they learned that from? ::)
Tommy Murphy 1936, Jimmy Murray 1946, Antrim 1946..................... etc etc
"Yerra sure we only did whatever it took to win" always said with a roguish glint in the eye.
Tyrone teams play within the rules to win, and don't do nything any wrse than any oher team yet there seems to be this attitude at the minute against Tyrone and it ma well be agant of the othr 31 counties cheering on Mayo in the Minor final this weekend. Genuine question as I was only 11/12 in 95/96 and don't really remember the aftermath in the papers etc, but what were the reactions to Dublin and Meaths wins over Tyrone?
We will horse Tyrone out of it, not a bother to these buckeens .
Quote from: Rossfan on September 19, 2013, 01:47:27 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 19, 2013, 12:59:48 PM
In Tyrone learning how to cheat trumps learning how to spell.
I wonder who they learned that from? ::)
Tommy Murphy 1936, Jimmy Murray 1946, Antrim 1946..................... etc etc
"Yerra sure we only did whatever it took to win" always said with a roguish glint in the eye.
Could this be the year a second Rossie climbs the Hogan Stand to accept Sam, Ross?
Quote from: Syferus on September 19, 2013, 06:07:49 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 19, 2013, 01:47:27 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 19, 2013, 12:59:48 PM
In Tyrone learning how to cheat trumps learning how to spell.
I wonder who they learned that from? ::)
Tommy Murphy 1936, Jimmy Murray 1946, Antrim 1946..................... etc etc
"Yerra sure we only did whatever it took to win" always said with a roguish glint in the eye.
Could this be the year a second Rossie climbs the Hogan Stand to accept Sam, Ross?
You should read Andy s interview today and stop being so disrespectful to the man. Ftr
Quote from: larryin89 on September 19, 2013, 06:11:39 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 19, 2013, 06:07:49 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 19, 2013, 01:47:27 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 19, 2013, 12:59:48 PM
In Tyrone learning how to cheat trumps learning how to spell.
I wonder who they learned that from? ::)
Tommy Murphy 1936, Jimmy Murray 1946, Antrim 1946..................... etc etc
"Yerra sure we only did whatever it took to win" always said with a roguish glint in the eye.
Could this be the year a second Rossie climbs the Hogan Stand to accept Sam, Ross?
You should read Andy s interview today and stop being so disrespectful to the man. Ftr
Heard him on RTÉ News this evening. Speaks with a Ros accent as you'd expect from one born and raised in Co Roscommon.
Syfín I'm only interested in Ros men collecting Cups for Ros teams
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 19, 2013, 02:32:47 PM
Tyrone teams play within the rules to win, and don't do nything any wrse than any oher team yet there seems to be this attitude at the minute against Tyrone and it ma well be agant of the othr 31 counties cheering on Mayo in the Minor final this weekend. Genuine question as I was only 11/12 in 95/96 and don't really remember the aftermath in the papers etc, but what were the reactions to Dublin and Meaths wins over Tyrone?
In fairness nrico the analysis on Sunday game at time was highly critical of Meath approach. Phone lines on rte radio the next day jammed with callers complaining about Meath tactics.
Alot has changed on the Sunday game since 1996. Pundits are expected to be more opinionated, and more expressive in their views. Public wants to see extremes and they are gettin it.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 19, 2013, 06:11:39 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 19, 2013, 06:07:49 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 19, 2013, 01:47:27 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 19, 2013, 12:59:48 PM
In Tyrone learning how to cheat trumps learning how to spell.
I wonder who they learned that from? ::)
Tommy Murphy 1936, Jimmy Murray 1946, Antrim 1946..................... etc etc
"Yerra sure we only did whatever it took to win" always said with a roguish glint in the eye.
Could this be the year a second Rossie climbs the Hogan Stand to accept Sam, Ross?
You should read Andy s interview today and stop being so disrespectful to the man. Ftr
Disrespectful? hes a Roscommon man from a Roscommon town. Now i'm not one for believing in curses but did James Horan name a Roscommon man as captain just to break the curse & if it doesn't work what next?
Back to the topic of this thread, i'll be surprised if our neighbours don't win this minor AI final on Sunday.
Quote from: ross4life on September 19, 2013, 09:19:30 PM
i'll be surprised if our neighbours don't win this minor AI final on Sunday.
+1. They seemed to improve with every game.
I hope ross4life and Rossfan are correct. They've played good football most of the year, but then again, it's all on the day for minors - as the oul cliché goes.
Looking forward to The Fear - yknow - a Mayo man's eyes on AIF day.
How will mayo minors deal with the curse
Quote from: rrhf on September 20, 2013, 01:34:36 AM
How will mayo minors deal with the curse
quite easily.....'f**k off ye Tyrone spoilers/draggers/mucksavages'...that enough of a curse for ya lad ;)
Quote from: rrhf on September 20, 2013, 01:34:36 AM
How will mayo minors deal with the curse
Don't know about the curse but they have been watch rugby league tapes every night at training since they new it was Tyrone in the final.
We would have like to play some ball winning this minor All Ireland but sure as a great man once said " you can only dance with the girls that are in the hall". ;)
Quote from: sans pessimism on September 20, 2013, 08:17:54 AM
Quote from: rrhf on September 20, 2013, 01:34:36 AM
How will mayo minors deal with the curse
quite easily.....'f**k off ye Tyrone spoilers/draggers/mucksavages'...that enough of a curse for ya lad ;)
No such thing as a curse. Tyrone green shoots to be picked from their roots and destroyed by the Mayo football juggernaught.
where can you find the lineouts for both teams?
Terrible luck for Cian to miss out, he had grown into being Mayo's key play-maker. Some serious footballing talent in the Hanley family.
Quote from: Syferus on September 20, 2013, 11:21:09 PM
Terrible luck for Cian to miss out, he had grown into being Mayo's key play-maker. Some serious footballing talent in the Hanley family.
We breed them well in Mayo
Quote from: Syferus on September 20, 2013, 11:21:09 PM
Terrible luck for Cian to miss out, he had grown into being Mayo's key play-maker. Some serious footballing talent in the Hanley family.
Awful shame for him. He was getting better as the year went on - much like the team in general. Thought he was a bit greedy against westmeath but did everything right against monaghan up to the injury from that mountain of a minor. Prendergast did very very well when he came on though.
Tyrone to win this very impressed with them once they hit extra time in the quarter final. Hope the Mayo fans arrive early to support them
Quote from: johnpower on September 20, 2013, 11:56:16 PM
Tyrone to win this very impressed with them once they hit extra time in the quarter final. Hope the Mayo fans arrive early to support them
Always possible but I think Mayo will win. I said a while back that I thought 3 of the best 4 minor teams in the country were in Connacht this year and whoever came out of Connacht would win it. Mayo emerged after two very tough games against Galway and Roscommon. That said these are minors so you never know on the day. They tend to be more inconsistent at that age.
Yes good look to the bear cubs, I just hope they express themselves on the big day as the talent deserves the chance to shine in Croke Park..
What channel is the minor game on? I assumed RTE but coverage doesn't start til 2.15pm.
TV3.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on September 21, 2013, 07:37:34 PM
What channel is the minor game on? I assumed RTE but coverage doesn't start til 2.15pm.
Tv3 Norf with Matt 'jack of all trades' Coopee
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on September 21, 2013, 07:37:34 PM
What channel is the minor game on? I assumed RTE but coverage doesn't start til 2.15pm.
TV3 for English or 3E for Irish.
Thanks lads
Tyrone 4-3 up better side should be leading by more.
Blatent rugby tackle >:(
Few shocking wides by Mayo so far
Goal against the run of play the Tyrone goalkeeper could have done better.
Dour stuff up until Conroy's brilliant goal. Mayo loose and lax, Tyrone fouling when Mayo get even the faintest whiff of a scoring chance. It's making losing the semi even more sickening.
Tyrone will be wondering how they are behind at half time. That goal could be the turning point of this final.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 22, 2013, 01:52:16 PM
Tyrone will be wondering how they are behind at half time. That goal could be the turning point of this final.
There was very little in the first half despite all the blather about Mayo not scoring from play (given Tyrone's style of play it should be expected that there will be a lot of scores from frees). Goal not much of a changing point given Tyrone responded with a point to leave the gap at the minimum. Mayo need another one to seal the deal.
Half time lead was huge for Mayo, game going away from Tyrone now.
Edit* Another goal that should be it.
Mayo beginning to click now. Look a better footballing team.
Sin é. Mayo should get this one from 8 points up.
There we go. Job done.
It's like the Mayo - Tyrone senior semi.
Fair play to Tyrone only three in it now.
Mayo's tactical fouling is sickening.
Mayo losing their shape. Standing off Tyrone players too.
The Mayo forward grabbed the Tyrone players arm and threw himself to the ground just there, won a free. Puke football.
How can i block a poster so i dont see his incredulous systematic incessant drool.
The goals where the difference. Well done Mayo now go on and win the double.
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on September 22, 2013, 02:26:56 PM
How can i block a poster so i dont see his incredulous systematic incessant drool.
8)
Well done Mayo. Deserving champions.
Well done Mayo. Fantastic performance.
Excellent by Mayo. That's a superb minor team they have.
Plaudits to Tyrone for their grit, hanging in there and asking the questions, right to the final whistle.
Well done Mayo. I'm not a Mayo man but I'm delighted for them. I hope its the first part of a double today
Quote from: Agent Orange on September 22, 2013, 02:32:48 PM
Well done Mayo. Fantastic performance.
It was probably their worst performance of the championship. Some serious nerves but they steadied themselves when it mattered the most.
Fair play Mayo - Un"fcukin"believable performance! ;D
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 22, 2013, 02:41:34 PM
Fair play Mayo - Un"fcukin"believable performance! ;D
His mammy will kill him for that one.
Well done Mayo. As in the senior game, Tyrone didn't take enough chances while they were on top in the 1st half.
Brilliant feeling, 28 years waiting. Well done Mayo you did us proud.
Well done Mayo.
Felt Tyrone were the better side bar the most important element, scoring. Tyrone's shot selection was poor at times, while Mayo clipped over a few clinkers near the end.
Well done Mayo on your All-Ireland, hope it's the first of a double today. No disgrace to the Tyrone boys to lose today and they had a good year, a fine experience for the pile of them who will still be around at this level next year.
Quote from: Syferus on September 22, 2013, 02:39:50 PM
Quote from: Agent Orange on September 22, 2013, 02:32:48 PM
Well done Mayo. Fantastic performance.
It was probably their worst performance of the championship. Some serious nerves but they steadied themselves when it mattered the most.
Around the same performance they produced against us and Galway i would have thought. 2-3 goals a game has won them the All Ireland. I expected Mayo to win by 4-6 points would have been right but for that late goal.
Well done to our neighbours i know they will be disappointed but this success should be celebrated tonight. Some top forwards on this Mayo team will be interesting how many of them will make the step up in the years ahead.
Mayowr were the best minor team around this year and were always able to get goals when they needed them.
They certainly needed the one before half time today.
Good never say die effort from the Moanies but never really looked like winning it after the second goal.
Congrats to Mayo. Really fine side
If they had some of the minor forwards in the senior game they may have won.
Wouldn't push them too hard either should be left with the 21's for at least a year.
Congratulations to Mayo.They just had a bit more quality up front.Our boys battled gamely today but it wasn't enough against an excellent Mayo side.
Quote from: hardstation on September 22, 2013, 07:52:22 PM
Haven't read back but the Mayo lad's challenge in the first 5 minutes went without a card? Thought he could have walked.
Mayo were full value for it though. Smashing team.
While I fully agree they were deserving AI winners a lot of people are masking their weakness in the middle - Prendergast, the replace 12 for Cian Hanley - was their most effective fielder and a poor midfield has characterised Mayo this year. Their backs stood off their men far too much as well and let Tyrone back into the game when it was all sewn up in the second half.
Like the senior game, they were a team carried by their forwards. Tyrone for all their mis-deeds were a better balanced team but they had little of the invention of the Mayo forwards.
Quote from: hardstation on September 22, 2013, 07:52:22 PM
Haven't read back but the Mayo lad's challenge in the first 5 minutes went without a card? Thought he could have walked.
Mayo were full value for it though. Smashing team.
Thought he was a very definite yellow at least.
Also in the second half, the Tyrone lad fouled the Mayo man. Mayo took the free and got a score. The ref then went back and booked the Tyrone player. Can he do that?
For the record, I am not blaming the ref, but just a strange decision.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on September 22, 2013, 09:43:59 PM
Also in the second half, the Tyrone lad fouled the Mayo man. Mayo took the free and got a score. The ref then went back and booked the Tyrone player. Can he do that?
Of course he can.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 22, 2013, 09:54:06 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on September 22, 2013, 09:43:59 PM
Also in the second half, the Tyrone lad fouled the Mayo man. Mayo took the free and got a score. The ref then went back and booked the Tyrone player. Can he do that?
Of course he can.
Bejaysus, you take the Tymoanie moniker seriously, don't you?
Say's the man that hasn't quit moaning since Roscommon minors were beat :o
Quote from: Club Rossa on September 22, 2013, 10:35:22 PM
Say's the man that hasn't quit moaning since Roscommon minors were beat :o
It's only moaning when you rabbit on about minor things. Tyrone have a young and talent minor panel. With the rule changes we'll all get to see how they do when some of the dark arts are ducked out of the system.
Quote from: Syferus on September 22, 2013, 11:14:21 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on September 22, 2013, 10:35:22 PM
Say's the man that hasn't quit moaning since Roscommon minors were beat :o
It's only moaning when you rabbit on about minor things. Tyrone have a young and talent minor panel. With the rule changes we'll all get to see how they do when some of the dark arts are ducked out of the system.
Get over it will you. The rules were as they were this year. You were beat with them. Move on.
You wouldn't pass the comprehension section of your English exam if you think I brought it up, Tom. Back in your box.
Quote from: Syferus on September 22, 2013, 11:14:21 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on September 22, 2013, 10:35:22 PM
Say's the man that hasn't quit moaning since Roscommon minors were beat :o
It's only moaning when you rabbit on about minor things. Tyrone have a young and talent minor panel. With the rule changes we'll all get to see how they do when some of the dark arts are ducked out of the system.
Tyrone will adapt and will be fine. They have a fine record the last 20 odd years in minor football and a couple of rule changes is hardly going to effect that. There is always talent coming through and the facilities that these young lads have now in Garvaghy are better than any county in Ireland so I don't see the success stopping.
Quote from: Syferus on September 22, 2013, 11:24:48 PM
You wouldn't pass the comprehension section of your English exam if you think I brought it up, Tom. Back in your box.
That doesn't even make any sense. ???
Tyrone's first loss in an ai at any level in 11 games. Some record.
Massive well done to our minors. There are some real stars of the future in that team.
It's such a pity that the win is being overshadowed by the seniors loss.
Despite the doom and gloom around the future is still bright in Mayo GAA.
Big question: Who is paying for all this team preparation in Mayo?
The seniors alone would have cost a small fortune.
Plus they asked for next years cairde membership in advance and they have the huge debt on McHale park.
It was my first time ever in Croke Park seeing Mayo win a trophy. (I didn't go to the 2001 league final). For that alone it was great. Such a shame as Sam2011 said that it's been so overshadowed by the senior loss. Very good up front, which is strange for a Mayo side. It set it up nicely for the big game too, alas it wasn't to be.
The Mayo manager Enda Gilvarry made interesting point after the game on how two Mayo sides in the final helped his side prepare without the added hype or expectations. All the talk was about the seniors and his panel of players were able to go about their business almost unnoticed.
We should not forget a 28 year footballing famine ended for Mayo yesterday. We have won Minor, U-21, NFL, and clubtitles since the turn of the millenium. We are getting closer.
Quote from: neilthemac on September 23, 2013, 06:19:44 PM
Big question: Who is paying for all this team preparation in Mayo?
The seniors alone would have cost a small fortune.
Whatever Mayo raised to finance the football teams, you can be sure the Dubs had at least 10 times more at their disposal.
Maybe if Mayo were only in the minor final this year, this magnificent victory would be more appreciated by Mayo folk.
Jaysus - Cumiskey a big fan of Tyrone I guess:
Minor consolation as the Mayo way prevails against combative Tyrone
Relief from some of the pain at least as Stephen Coen became Mayo's only teenager since 1985 to lift the Tommy Markham Cup.
Gaelic football can also celebrate this victory. Yesterday's minor final supplied further evidence of the heavy load placed on the incoming black card to deal effectively with cynical fouling in 2014.
Nothing new in the way Tyrone went about their business. The streamlined nature of their football teams these past 10 years is unmistakable. Especially on All-Ireland final day. Systematic fouling is just how they do it. Flick back through recent history. Darran O'Sullivan's rag-dolling as the Kerry minors faltered in 2004 lingers in the mind but two more national titles followed in 2008 and 2010.
Priority is success
Tyrone do what they do because their priority is success.
They instantly discarded traditional positioning with blonde mopped midfielder Frank Burns landing in the fullback line as a Franco Baresi type stopper who initiated rapid counter-attacks with some excellent distribution.
Burns fouled with the subtlety of a veteran Ulster born defender. Full Forward Daire Gallagher also dropped deep as they attempted to put the squeeze on Mayo's flowing approach.
The usually reliable tactics failed. Or, more accurately, Mayo were too powerful, too conditioned, too much for them to contain. Their own defensive anchors, Séamus Cunniffe and Coen, had no body to mark and could predict the ball coming on top or below them.
But until referee Conor Lane started brandishing yellow cards as punishment for fouls on Mayo forwards who were first to incoming ball, Tyrone were in control.
By half-time Lee Brennan and Ruairí McGlone had their names taken. By the end they had five bookings. It could easily have been two red cards.
Mayo's cause was equally assisted by Liam Irwin landing frees from all angles, including a magnificent left-footed stroke from wide right that reduced Tyrone's lead to 0-4 to 0-5 after 28 minutes.
Tyrone's natural footballing ability was another feature of the contest with eight different players registering on the scoreboard. (It would be remiss not to mention 15-year-old David Mulgrew at right half forward. Remember the name.)
But their instinct seemed to be to stymie before expression. It was Tommy Conroy of Kiltane who set this western bonfire ablaze. And try as they might, Tyrone's defence couldn't stall his goal after 29 minutes. It was scored despite the attentions of Cillian McCann and Burns, the rasping shot palmed into the top corner by goalkeeper Seán Fox.
The Tyrone way simply wasn't working. Not against this modern, physically imposing opposition. Just as the majority of the Mayo Faithful made their way into Croke Park, an avalanche of scores crushed the Red Hand dreams.
Conor Loftus made it a two point game with a finely struck free just after half-time and then Darragh Doherty came to life.
The corner forward seemed to be facing a crisis of confidence after two first-half wides but this young man clearly has a short memory.
Doherty registered 1-2 in a five minute spell that brought the first guttural roar of the day from the red and green faction. His second point was magical, his goal struck low and firm past the onrushing Fox.
Advantage rule
That was yet another example of Tyrone's inability to foul Mayo into submission. The advantage rule also helped.
Immediately after the green flag was raised Lane consulted his linesman before dishing out yellow cards for Christopher Morris and McCann.
The officials had a difficult day. There was a clear foul in the first half on Conroy that should have been a penalty.
Despite the cynical attitude, Tyrone were a team spread of talent and important scores from Lee Brennan kept them only three points adrift.
Mayo, with the Promised Land in sight, froze in their boots but sparks of resilience from Conroy and the excellent Conor Loftus kicked them onwards.
Tyrone refused to relent and for that they must be commended but after centre forward Conor McKenna fisted a goal in the third and final minute of injury time he aggressively attempted to clip two Mayo defenders as he returned to his position.
The GAA is in the process of reacting to the cynicism that infects Gaelic football. Superior conditioning and the very game itself defeated it yesterday. The Mayo way prevailed.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/minor-consolation-as-the-mayo-way-prevails-against-combative-tyrone-1.1536493?page=2
Yeah, the minors.
But seriously, what in God name are Tyrone at?
Why does every team in Tyrone buy into the same type/tactic? Colleges, underage, senior? It served it s time and brought Tyrone great success but game has moved on. I can understand Mickey Harte sticking to his guns but some coach asking those kids to ape that style Sunday was surprising.
Calm day, seriously good players in this Tyrone team and they go out and play a seriosly influential player as a sweeper. Unbelievable! Don t get me wrong, I played a sweeper before Tyrone ever did! - because I had to! Tyrone didn t have to - they had fine players, when the shackles are removed, as was shown against Ros. as well.
A few things.
* Mayo youngsters would not be used to playing against that type of formation. Took a while to come to terms with it and Tyrone setteld better but it was all a bit false.
* The Conroy goal and Mayo s good start to second half forced Tyrone to be more progressive and they then looked a serious team. Mayo then seriously wilted. But there was always a chance then that we would get a few scores on the break with Tyrone chasing the game. And that is what happened.
* Really Tyrone played into our hands unless they knew their markers could not handle our forwards without a sweeper. Jaysus we were given some respect. Are our minor forwards so good that a sweeper was necessary? Or is it obligitory in every Tyrone team?
Quote from: ONeill on September 24, 2013, 12:07:55 AM
Jaysus - Cumiskey a big fan of Tyrone I guess:
Minor consolation as the Mayo way prevails against combative Tyrone
Relief from some of the pain at least as Stephen Coen became Mayo's only teenager since 1985 to lift the Tommy Markham Cup.
Gaelic football can also celebrate this victory. Yesterday's minor final supplied further evidence of the heavy load placed on the incoming black card to deal effectively with cynical fouling in 2014.
Nothing new in the way Tyrone went about their business. The streamlined nature of their football teams these past 10 years is unmistakable. Especially on All-Ireland final day. Systematic fouling is just how they do it. Flick back through recent history. Darran O'Sullivan's rag-dolling as the Kerry minors faltered in 2004 lingers in the mind but two more national titles followed in 2008 and 2010.
Priority is success
Tyrone do what they do because their priority is success.
They instantly discarded traditional positioning with blonde mopped midfielder Frank Burns landing in the fullback line as a Franco Baresi type stopper who initiated rapid counter-attacks with some excellent distribution.
Burns fouled with the subtlety of a veteran Ulster born defender. Full Forward Daire Gallagher also dropped deep as they attempted to put the squeeze on Mayo's flowing approach.
The usually reliable tactics failed. Or, more accurately, Mayo were too powerful, too conditioned, too much for them to contain. Their own defensive anchors, Séamus Cunniffe and Coen, had no body to mark and could predict the ball coming on top or below them.
But until referee Conor Lane started brandishing yellow cards as punishment for fouls on Mayo forwards who were first to incoming ball, Tyrone were in control.
By half-time Lee Brennan and Ruairí McGlone had their names taken. By the end they had five bookings. It could easily have been two red cards.
Mayo's cause was equally assisted by Liam Irwin landing frees from all angles, including a magnificent left-footed stroke from wide right that reduced Tyrone's lead to 0-4 to 0-5 after 28 minutes.
Tyrone's natural footballing ability was another feature of the contest with eight different players registering on the scoreboard. (It would be remiss not to mention 15-year-old David Mulgrew at right half forward. Remember the name.)
But their instinct seemed to be to stymie before expression. It was Tommy Conroy of Kiltane who set this western bonfire ablaze. And try as they might, Tyrone's defence couldn't stall his goal after 29 minutes. It was scored despite the attentions of Cillian McCann and Burns, the rasping shot palmed into the top corner by goalkeeper Seán Fox.
The Tyrone way simply wasn't working. Not against this modern, physically imposing opposition. Just as the majority of the Mayo Faithful made their way into Croke Park, an avalanche of scores crushed the Red Hand dreams.
Conor Loftus made it a two point game with a finely struck free just after half-time and then Darragh Doherty came to life.
The corner forward seemed to be facing a crisis of confidence after two first-half wides but this young man clearly has a short memory.
Doherty registered 1-2 in a five minute spell that brought the first guttural roar of the day from the red and green faction. His second point was magical, his goal struck low and firm past the onrushing Fox.
Advantage rule
That was yet another example of Tyrone's inability to foul Mayo into submission. The advantage rule also helped.
Immediately after the green flag was raised Lane consulted his linesman before dishing out yellow cards for Christopher Morris and McCann.
The officials had a difficult day. There was a clear foul in the first half on Conroy that should have been a penalty.
Despite the cynical attitude, Tyrone were a team spread of talent and important scores from Lee Brennan kept them only three points adrift.
Mayo, with the Promised Land in sight, froze in their boots but sparks of resilience from Conroy and the excellent Conor Loftus kicked them onwards.
Tyrone refused to relent and for that they must be commended but after centre forward Conor McKenna fisted a goal in the third and final minute of injury time he aggressively attempted to clip two Mayo defenders as he returned to his position.
The GAA is in the process of reacting to the cynicism that infects Gaelic football. Superior conditioning and the very game itself defeated it yesterday. The Mayo way prevailed.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/minor-consolation-as-the-mayo-way-prevails-against-combative-tyrone-1.1536493?page=2
Fcuk me given the cynical crap served up in the senior game this piece stinks to the high heavens at what point do the GAA public reign in the gingoistic southern media. Absolute anti Tyrone bile which takes away from the magnificent achievement of Mayo minors.
Unbelievable agenda driven piece of rubbish that is passed off as journalism.
These are minor lads he is writing about here, U18s.
Its bad enough that this stuff is thrown at senior players.
As one sided as piece of writing as you will ever see, the same dublin journalist most have missed the last 10 minutes of the senior game.
As another poster said, why could he not just write about a really good mayo minor team (which it is) and set aside his complete anti tyrone bias for one article.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on September 24, 2013, 08:21:43 AM
Unbelievable agenda driven piece of rubbish that is passed off as journalism.
These are minor lads he is writing about here, U18s.
Its bad enough that this stuff is thrown at senior players.
As one sided as piece of writing as you will ever see, the same dublin journalist most have missed the last 10 minutes of the senior game.
As another poster said, why could he not just write about a really good mayo minor team (which it is) and set aside his complete anti tyrone bias for one article.
Shows a serious lack of class to put the boot into a minor team that's just lost an all-Ireland.
Some serious players on both sides, Tyrone showed what they were capable of in the last 15 minutes but it was too late.
Hard luck Tyrone
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2013, 01:31:37 AM
Yeah, the minors.
But seriously, what in God name are Tyrone at?
Why does every team in Tyrone buy into the same type/tactic? Colleges, underage, senior? It served it s time and brought Tyrone great success but game has moved on. I can understand Mickey Harte sticking to his guns but some coach asking those kids to ape that style Sunday was surprising.
Calm day, seriously good players in this Tyrone team and they go out and play a seriosly influential player as a sweeper. Unbelievable! Don t get me wrong, I played a sweeper before Tyrone ever did! - because I had to! Tyrone didn t have to - they had fine players, when the shackles are removed, as was shown against Ros. as well.
A few things.
* Mayo youngsters would not be used to playing against that type of formation. Took a while to come to terms with it and Tyrone setteld better but it was all a bit false.
* The Conroy goal and Mayo s good start to second half forced Tyrone to be more progressive and they then looked a serious team. Mayo then seriously wilted. But there was always a chance then that we would get a few scores on the break with Tyrone chasing the game. And that is what happened.
* Really Tyrone played into our hands unless they knew their markers could not handle our forwards without a sweeper. Jaysus we were given some respect. Are our minor forwards so good that a sweeper was necessary? Or is it obligitory in every Tyrone team?
I'd agree with much of your assessment about Tyrone. Against Kerry, Roscommon and Mayo - when they reverted to a traditional 15, they were much more dangerous.
But I think the 4 goals they shipped in the Ulster Final made the management take stock of what needed to be done to win the All-Ireland. It doesn't say much about the defenders we're producing. To be fair, if Tyrone had won, the sweeper was MOTM. Frank Burns was close to immaculate. But you just feel he'd have been just as good in midfield.
Maybe the article goes a bit over the top in naming names, but in the main it hits the nail exactly on the head.
Most folks watching that game were pleased that "the Mayo way prevailed".
Quote from: Main Street on September 24, 2013, 10:53:36 AM
Maybe the article goes a bit over the top in naming names, but in the main it hits the nail exactly on the head.
Most folks watching that game were pleased that "the Mayo way prevailed".
I seen the tyrone minor manager tweeting taht the foul count was tyrone-23 mayo -20
hardly the one sided foul-fest suggested in the article and an awful lot less than the senior game
I'm sure the Tyrone manager can tweet, but can he count?
Anybody watching the game can make up their own minds as to what style of play Mayo employed and what style of play Tyrone supplement their game with. The article makes it clear that Tyrone have a very talented bunch of players but have that default, rigid, added cynicism tagged on. Tyrone don't need it in order to play football and win games. That's the glaringly obvious thing.
Just as Dublin didn't need Pillar to turn them into some ridiculous group of (boot boy) gladiators, in order to get a winning team.
Great to see Mayo winning an All Ireland in Croke Park - a bit of a balls that it's overshadowed by the loss in the senior final though.
Have just watched the match again and Tyrone will feel they left this one behind them - when they brought it back to 3, they had chances to close it further and missed them. Similar to the senior game, the team who were able to take their scores better won the game.
Was just looking back to the 2008 / 09 minor teams and five from each team are in or around the panel although only three started last Sunday - Hennelly, AOS & COC. It will be interesting to see how many of the 2013 crop can make it....
Mayo - R Hennelly; D Dolan, K Keane, J Broderick; S McHale, E Reilly, S Nally (0-1); J Cafferty, G McDonagh; C Freeman (0-4), A O'Shea (0-2), R Geraghty (0-1); K Charlton, A Walsh (0-4, 3f), A Corduff (0-1). Subs - D Gavin (0-1) for Charlton (39), D O'Hara for Geraghty (49).
Mayo: Michael Schlingermann; David Gavin, Keith Rogers, Michael Walsh; Ciaran Charlton, Shane McDermott, Caolan Crowe; Danny Kirby, Aidan Walsh (0-6); Andrew Farrell, Darren Coen (0-1), Fergal Durkan; Daryl Herbert, Cillian O'Connor (2-0), Alex Corduff (0-1). Subs: Ian Costello, Jack McDonnell, John Carney (0-1), Michael McCormack
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 24, 2013, 01:21:19 PM
Great to see Mayo winning an All Ireland in Croke Park - a bit of a balls that it's overshadowed by the loss in the senior final though.
Have just watched the match again and Tyrone will feel they left this one behind them - when they brought it back to 3, they had chances to close it further and missed them. Similar to the senior game, the team who were able to take their scores better won the game.
Was just looking back to the 2008 / 09 minor teams and five from each team are in or around the panel although only three started last Sunday - Hennelly, AOS & COC. It will be interesting to see how many of the 2013 crop can make it....
Mayo - R Hennelly; D Dolan, K Keane, J Broderick; S McHale, E Reilly, S Nally (0-1); J Cafferty, G McDonagh; C Freeman (0-4), A O'Shea (0-2), R Geraghty (0-1); K Charlton, A Walsh (0-4, 3f), A Corduff (0-1). Subs - D Gavin (0-1) for Charlton (39), D O'Hara for Geraghty (49).
Mayo: Michael Schlingermann; David Gavin, Keith Rogers, Michael Walsh; Ciaran Charlton, Shane McDermott, Caolan Crowe; Danny Kirby, Aidan Walsh (0-6); Andrew Farrell, Darren Coen (0-1), Fergal Durkan; Daryl Herbert, Cillian O'Connor (2-0), Alex Corduff (0-1). Subs: Ian Costello, Jack McDonnell, John Carney (0-1), Michael McCormack
Not a bad return.
Hard to know with current crop. We might get a couple of seniors.
Stephen Coen looks the most likely. I think Hall and Plunkett maybe if they get the size.
Cunniffe and Cian Hanley have another year at minor and both looked very good already this year.
From the Tyrone side, I thought Mulgrew looked very good, is he the lad who's only 15? Thought he picked some great passes on Sunday
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2013, 01:56:10 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 24, 2013, 01:21:19 PM
Great to see Mayo winning an All Ireland in Croke Park - a bit of a balls that it's overshadowed by the loss in the senior final though.
Have just watched the match again and Tyrone will feel they left this one behind them - when they brought it back to 3, they had chances to close it further and missed them. Similar to the senior game, the team who were able to take their scores better won the game.
Was just looking back to the 2008 / 09 minor teams and five from each team are in or around the panel although only three started last Sunday - Hennelly, AOS & COC. It will be interesting to see how many of the 2013 crop can make it....
Mayo - R Hennelly; D Dolan, K Keane, J Broderick; S McHale, E Reilly, S Nally (0-1); J Cafferty, G McDonagh; C Freeman (0-4), A O'Shea (0-2), R Geraghty (0-1); K Charlton, A Walsh (0-4, 3f), A Corduff (0-1). Subs - D Gavin (0-1) for Charlton (39), D O'Hara for Geraghty (49).
Mayo: Michael Schlingermann; David Gavin, Keith Rogers, Michael Walsh; Ciaran Charlton, Shane McDermott, Caolan Crowe; Danny Kirby, Aidan Walsh (0-6); Andrew Farrell, Darren Coen (0-1), Fergal Durkan; Daryl Herbert, Cillian O'Connor (2-0), Alex Corduff (0-1). Subs: Ian Costello, Jack McDonnell, John Carney (0-1), Michael McCormack
Not a bad return.
Hard to know with current crop. We might get a couple of seniors.
Stephen Coen looks the most likely. I think Hall and Plunkett maybe if they get the size.
Cunniffe and Cian Hanley have another year at minor and both looked very good already this year.
Eh? From a Mayo perspective no stone should be left unturned trying to develop Conroy (probably the most complete of the three FFs), Doherty (who is like a blinkered horse with the ball in hand, but obviously a very talented scorer) and Irwin who has the size and ability to develop into a senior. The other lads baring maybe Hanley would be coming into positions with good depth already.
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 24, 2013, 02:07:19 PM
From the Tyrone side, I thought Mulgrew looked very good, is he the lad who's only 15? Thought he picked some great passes on Sunday
Hate to burst your bubble but he is a hell of a good sweeper for his club minor side. Seen him in championship semi v coalisland and he was exceptional in the sweeper role. A very intelligent player for a 15 year old big frank and brian mcguigan must be rubbing of on him.
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Quote from: macdanger2 on September 24, 2013, 02:07:19 PM
From the Tyrone side, I thought Mulgrew looked very good, is he the lad who's only 15? Thought he picked some great passes on Sunday
Hate to burst your bubble but he is a hell of a good sweeper for his club minor side. Seen him in championship semi v coalisland and he was exceptional in the sweeper role. A very intelligent player for a 15 year old big frank and brian mcguigan must be rubbing of on him.
Eh? Bubble??
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Quote from: macdanger2 on September 24, 2013, 02:07:19 PM
From the Tyrone side, I thought Mulgrew looked very good, is he the lad who's only 15? Thought he picked some great passes on Sunday
Hate to burst your bubble but he is a hell of a good sweeper for his club minor side. Seen him in championship semi v coalisland and he was exceptional in the sweeper role. A very intelligent player for a 15 year old big frank and brian mcguigan must be rubbing of on him.
Doesn't usually play sweeper for Ardboe minors but did in the league semi final that night. Can easily play in any number of positions and is an absolutely fantastic player.
Quote from: Syferus on September 24, 2013, 02:40:21 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2013, 01:56:10 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 24, 2013, 01:21:19 PM
Great to see Mayo winning an All Ireland in Croke Park - a bit of a balls that it's overshadowed by the loss in the senior final though.
Have just watched the match again and Tyrone will feel they left this one behind them - when they brought it back to 3, they had chances to close it further and missed them. Similar to the senior game, the team who were able to take their scores better won the game.
Was just looking back to the 2008 / 09 minor teams and five from each team are in or around the panel although only three started last Sunday - Hennelly, AOS & COC. It will be interesting to see how many of the 2013 crop can make it....
Mayo - R Hennelly; D Dolan, K Keane, J Broderick; S McHale, E Reilly, S Nally (0-1); J Cafferty, G McDonagh; C Freeman (0-4), A O'Shea (0-2), R Geraghty (0-1); K Charlton, A Walsh (0-4, 3f), A Corduff (0-1). Subs - D Gavin (0-1) for Charlton (39), D O'Hara for Geraghty (49).
Mayo: Michael Schlingermann; David Gavin, Keith Rogers, Michael Walsh; Ciaran Charlton, Shane McDermott, Caolan Crowe; Danny Kirby, Aidan Walsh (0-6); Andrew Farrell, Darren Coen (0-1), Fergal Durkan; Daryl Herbert, Cillian O'Connor (2-0), Alex Corduff (0-1). Subs: Ian Costello, Jack McDonnell, John Carney (0-1), Michael McCormack
Not a bad return.
Hard to know with current crop. We might get a couple of seniors.
Stephen Coen looks the most likely. I think Hall and Plunkett maybe if they get the size.
Cunniffe and Cian Hanley have another year at minor and both looked very good already this year.
Eh? From a Mayo perspective no stone should be left unturned trying to develop Conroy (probably the most complete of the three FFs), Doherty (who is like a blinkered horse with the ball in hand, but obviously a very talented scorer) and Irwin who has the size and ability to develop into a senior. The other lads baring maybe Hanley would be coming into positions with good depth already.
I m not following you??
It's only Syfínín our village eejit. No sane person can understand his ramblings.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 24, 2013, 10:29:26 PM
It's only Syfínín our village eejit. No sane person can understand his ramblings.
Thanks for explaining them. ;)
That Irish Times article is probably the poorest piece of GAA journalism I have ever seen, and that is saying something.
Gavin Cummiskey should be ashamed of himself.
If some of the windup merchants on a forum like this had written it it could have been laughed off. Seriously disrespectful to Mayo as well as Tyrone. Mayo minors were excellent on Sunday and deserved their win.
Tyrone have overachieved with a young team and still could have won the game on Sunday with a bit of luck and a few breaks going their way.
Both teams deserve credit rather than having this rubbish published in a national newspaper.
This years minor final was a much better game in terms of both entertainment and quality of football than the really poor, negative, boring minor final served up last year by Dublin and Meath. I nearly fell asleep in Croke Park during it. I can't remember any outcry after that game?
The media campaign against Tyrone has gone too far now and needs to stop.
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Quote from: Syferus on September 24, 2013, 02:40:21 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2013, 01:56:10 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 24, 2013, 01:21:19 PM
Great to see Mayo winning an All Ireland in Croke Park - a bit of a balls that it's overshadowed by the loss in the senior final though.
Have just watched the match again and Tyrone will feel they left this one behind them - when they brought it back to 3, they had chances to close it further and missed them. Similar to the senior game, the team who were able to take their scores better won the game.
Was just looking back to the 2008 / 09 minor teams and five from each team are in or around the panel although only three started last Sunday - Hennelly, AOS & COC. It will be interesting to see how many of the 2013 crop can make it....
Mayo - R Hennelly; D Dolan, K Keane, J Broderick; S McHale, E Reilly, S Nally (0-1); J Cafferty, G McDonagh; C Freeman (0-4), A O'Shea (0-2), R Geraghty (0-1); K Charlton, A Walsh (0-4, 3f), A Corduff (0-1). Subs - D Gavin (0-1) for Charlton (39), D O'Hara for Geraghty (49).
Mayo: Michael Schlingermann; David Gavin, Keith Rogers, Michael Walsh; Ciaran Charlton, Shane McDermott, Caolan Crowe; Danny Kirby, Aidan Walsh (0-6); Andrew Farrell, Darren Coen (0-1), Fergal Durkan; Daryl Herbert, Cillian O'Connor (2-0), Alex Corduff (0-1). Subs: Ian Costello, Jack McDonnell, John Carney (0-1), Michael McCormack
Not a bad return.
Hard to know with current crop. We might get a couple of seniors.
Stephen Coen looks the most likely. I think Hall and Plunkett maybe if they get the size.
Cunniffe and Cian Hanley have another year at minor and both looked very good already this year.
Eh? From a Mayo perspective no stone should be left unturned trying to develop Conroy (probably the most complete of the three FFs), Doherty (who is like a blinkered horse with the ball in hand, but obviously a very talented scorer) and Irwin who has the size and ability to develop into a senior. The other lads baring maybe Hanley would be coming into positions with good depth already.
I m not following you??
Mayo need FFs, not backs. A wing-forward like Hanley would be nice, but secondary to a lad like Conroy in terms of importance. Lads like Hall and Coen may make the cut but they're not at positions where Mayo are crying out for help or even depth. I think Mayo's forwards carried a team that routinely was poor in the middle and a little stand-offish at back. They are where the big potential lies in this Mayo team so it was bizarre you wouldn't mention any of the FFs.
Quote from: NDA on September 24, 2013, 10:57:03 PM
That Irish Times article is probably the poorest piece of GAA journalism I have ever seen, and that is saying something.
Gavin Cummiskey should be ashamed of himself.
If some of the windup merchants on a forum like this had written it it could have been laughed off. Seriously disrespectful to Mayo as well as Tyrone. Mayo minors were excellent on Sunday and deserved their win.
Tyrone have overachieved with a young team and still could have won the game on Sunday with a bit of luck and a few breaks going their way.
Both teams deserve credit rather than having this rubbish published in a national newspaper.
This years minor final was a much better game in terms of both entertainment and quality of football than the really poor, negative, boring minor final served up last year by Dublin and Meath. I nearly fell asleep in Croke Park during it. I can't remember any outcry after that game?
The media campaign against Tyrone has gone too far now and needs to stop.
Trying to call other minor teams negative after Tyrone's antics this year is a little too rich for human blood. The Kildare robots might be able to handle it, though.
Syferus comments like that are just boring at this stage. Tyrone beat Roscommon get over it.
There wasn't a dirty tackle in the game on Sunday and the game was played in a good spirit by both teams. Mayo were very good and deserved their win. Tyrone have a weak defence and tried to protect it. Only common sense in my opinion and a perfectly legitimate tactic.
Last year Dublin minors played with a sweeper in every game and they were praised as a great team, Meath minors had 2 if not 3 extra defenders in the final. As a result the final was like watching paint dry and there wasn't a word of complaint that I heard.
Quote from: Syferus on September 24, 2013, 10:58:08 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2013, 10:22:50 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 24, 2013, 02:40:21 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2013, 01:56:10 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 24, 2013, 01:21:19 PM
Great to see Mayo winning an All Ireland in Croke Park - a bit of a balls that it's overshadowed by the loss in the senior final though.
Have just watched the match again and Tyrone will feel they left this one behind them - when they brought it back to 3, they had chances to close it further and missed them. Similar to the senior game, the team who were able to take their scores better won the game.
Was just looking back to the 2008 / 09 minor teams and five from each team are in or around the panel although only three started last Sunday - Hennelly, AOS & COC. It will be interesting to see how many of the 2013 crop can make it....
Mayo - R Hennelly; D Dolan, K Keane, J Broderick; S McHale, E Reilly, S Nally (0-1); J Cafferty, G McDonagh; C Freeman (0-4), A O'Shea (0-2), R Geraghty (0-1); K Charlton, A Walsh (0-4, 3f), A Corduff (0-1). Subs - D Gavin (0-1) for Charlton (39), D O'Hara for Geraghty (49).
Mayo: Michael Schlingermann; David Gavin, Keith Rogers, Michael Walsh; Ciaran Charlton, Shane McDermott, Caolan Crowe; Danny Kirby, Aidan Walsh (0-6); Andrew Farrell, Darren Coen (0-1), Fergal Durkan; Daryl Herbert, Cillian O'Connor (2-0), Alex Corduff (0-1). Subs: Ian Costello, Jack McDonnell, John Carney (0-1), Michael McCormack
Not a bad return.
Hard to know with current crop. We might get a couple of seniors.
Stephen Coen looks the most likely. I think Hall and Plunkett maybe if they get the size.
Cunniffe and Cian Hanley have another year at minor and both looked very good already this year.
Eh? From a Mayo perspective no stone should be left unturned trying to develop Conroy (probably the most complete of the three FFs), Doherty (who is like a blinkered horse with the ball in hand, but obviously a very talented scorer) and Irwin who has the size and ability to develop into a senior. The other lads baring maybe Hanley would be coming into positions with good depth already.
I m not following you??
Mayo need FFs, not backs. A wing-forward like Hanley would be nice, but secondary to a lad like Conroy in terms of importance. Lads like Hall and Coen may make the cut but they're not at positions where Mayo are crying out for help or even depth. I think Mayo's forwards carried a team that routinely was poor in the middle and a little stand-offish at back. They are where the big potential lies in this Mayo team so it was bizarre you wouldn't mention any of the FFs.Quote from: NDA on September 24, 2013, 10:57:03 PM
That Irish Times article is probably the poorest piece of GAA journalism I have ever seen, and that is saying something.
Gavin Cummiskey should be ashamed of himself.
If some of the windup merchants on a forum like this had written it it could have been laughed off. Seriously disrespectful to Mayo as well as Tyrone. Mayo minors were excellent on Sunday and deserved their win.
Tyrone have overachieved with a young team and still could have won the game on Sunday with a bit of luck and a few breaks going their way.
Both teams deserve credit rather than having this rubbish published in a national newspaper.
This years minor final was a much better game in terms of both entertainment and quality of football than the really poor, negative, boring minor final served up last year by Dublin and Meath. I nearly fell asleep in Croke Park during it. I can't remember any outcry after that game?
The media campaign against Tyrone has gone too far now and needs to stop.
Trying to call other minor teams negative after Tyrone's antics this year is a little too rich for human blood. The Kildare robots might be able to handle it, though.
Not bizarre at all Sy. it s just that I ve seen it all before. If there is anything Mayo produce it s knacky minor corner forwards. Hope these lads go back to Club, College and U21s and make it as senior. Not dismissing them at all. And I m not going to scrutinise 17 yr olds on here.
But you have to factor in that some of the lads that were playing against our forwards will never play senior. Some may not even play senior club. Some of the Mayo minor teams listed above that played in AI finals dont even play any more. That s the reality. You know that when Ros won minor in 06 that a lot of fans would have anticipated that bunch to mature into serious senior players that would be back in Croke Park as a serious team. But that is not the way it works. As we ve found out often enough it takes a rare enough player to be able to compete when it comes to last 8 and AI final day is a different galaxy.
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Quote from: Syferus on September 24, 2013, 10:58:08 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2013, 10:22:50 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 24, 2013, 02:40:21 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2013, 01:56:10 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 24, 2013, 01:21:19 PM
Great to see Mayo winning an All Ireland in Croke Park - a bit of a balls that it's overshadowed by the loss in the senior final though.
Have just watched the match again and Tyrone will feel they left this one behind them - when they brought it back to 3, they had chances to close it further and missed them. Similar to the senior game, the team who were able to take their scores better won the game.
Was just looking back to the 2008 / 09 minor teams and five from each team are in or around the panel although only three started last Sunday - Hennelly, AOS & COC. It will be interesting to see how many of the 2013 crop can make it....
Mayo - R Hennelly; D Dolan, K Keane, J Broderick; S McHale, E Reilly, S Nally (0-1); J Cafferty, G McDonagh; C Freeman (0-4), A O'Shea (0-2), R Geraghty (0-1); K Charlton, A Walsh (0-4, 3f), A Corduff (0-1). Subs - D Gavin (0-1) for Charlton (39), D O'Hara for Geraghty (49).
Mayo: Michael Schlingermann; David Gavin, Keith Rogers, Michael Walsh; Ciaran Charlton, Shane McDermott, Caolan Crowe; Danny Kirby, Aidan Walsh (0-6); Andrew Farrell, Darren Coen (0-1), Fergal Durkan; Daryl Herbert, Cillian O'Connor (2-0), Alex Corduff (0-1). Subs: Ian Costello, Jack McDonnell, John Carney (0-1), Michael McCormack
Not a bad return.
Hard to know with current crop. We might get a couple of seniors.
Stephen Coen looks the most likely. I think Hall and Plunkett maybe if they get the size.
Cunniffe and Cian Hanley have another year at minor and both looked very good already this year.
Eh? From a Mayo perspective no stone should be left unturned trying to develop Conroy (probably the most complete of the three FFs), Doherty (who is like a blinkered horse with the ball in hand, but obviously a very talented scorer) and Irwin who has the size and ability to develop into a senior. The other lads baring maybe Hanley would be coming into positions with good depth already.
I m not following you??
Mayo need FFs, not backs. A wing-forward like Hanley would be nice, but secondary to a lad like Conroy in terms of importance. Lads like Hall and Coen may make the cut but they're not at positions where Mayo are crying out for help or even depth. I think Mayo's forwards carried a team that routinely was poor in the middle and a little stand-offish at back. They are where the big potential lies in this Mayo team so it was bizarre you wouldn't mention any of the FFs.Quote from: NDA on September 24, 2013, 10:57:03 PM
That Irish Times article is probably the poorest piece of GAA journalism I have ever seen, and that is saying something.
Gavin Cummiskey should be ashamed of himself.
If some of the windup merchants on a forum like this had written it it could have been laughed off. Seriously disrespectful to Mayo as well as Tyrone. Mayo minors were excellent on Sunday and deserved their win.
Tyrone have overachieved with a young team and still could have won the game on Sunday with a bit of luck and a few breaks going their way.
Both teams deserve credit rather than having this rubbish published in a national newspaper.
This years minor final was a much better game in terms of both entertainment and quality of football than the really poor, negative, boring minor final served up last year by Dublin and Meath. I nearly fell asleep in Croke Park during it. I can't remember any outcry after that game?
The media campaign against Tyrone has gone too far now and needs to stop.
Trying to call other minor teams negative after Tyrone's antics this year is a little too rich for human blood. The Kildare robots might be able to handle it, though.
Not bizarre at all Sy. it s just that I ve seen it all before. If there is anything Mayo produce it s knacky minor corner forwards. Hope these lads go back to Club, College and U21s and make it as senior. Not dismissing them at all. And I m not going to scrutinise 17 yr olds on here.
But you have to factor in that some of the lads that were playing against our forwards will never play senior. Some may not even play senior club. Some of the Mayo minor teams listed above that played in AI finals dont even play any more. That s the reality. You know that when Ros won minor in 06 that a lot of fans would have anticipated that bunch to mature into serious senior players that would be back in Croke Park as a serious team. But that is not the way it works. As we ve found out often enough it takes a rare enough player to be able to compete when it comes to last 8 and AI final day is a different galaxy.
We've got plenty from that team and there's more to come from a lot of those lads. This is the lazy punditry that's applied to them a lot by outsiders but if the 2006 Mayo U21s walked into a team in free-fall where would they be? Certainly not competing in back-to-back AI finals.
Free-fall doesn't mean a couple championship shocks to minnows, it means the team panel collapsing, once-in-a-lifetime players retiring with years left on their careers, management openly attacking supporters and vice versa. We ended up in D4 heading into the 2010 championship.
Mayo lost to Sligo and Longford in 2010. Big friggin' deal. You've been hanging in D1 for donkey's years. You'd made AI finals four times in the previous decade or so. We didn't have those luxuries so of course progress is going to be judged by a very different graph. A lot of those 2006 players have made serious strides, particularly under Fergie and again this year under Evans. They certainly have not been a failure and their application and dedication has been a clear break from the tumultuous decade of mis-adventures that had preceded them. Roscommon supporters were far more circumspect about the speed progress was likely to happen at than outsiders were. The fooling around last season was another unnecessary set-back.
For Mayo they've got a team coming off two AI finals, two league semis and one league final to integrate players like Adam Gallagher, Conroy, Irwin or Hanley into. You have the luxury of letting the existing team help carry the youngsters on their first few steps. Our lads had no such luck.
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Quote from: macdanger2 on September 24, 2013, 01:21:19 PM
Great to see Mayo winning an All Ireland in Croke Park - a bit of a balls that it's overshadowed by the loss in the senior final though.
Have just watched the match again and Tyrone will feel they left this one behind them - when they brought it back to 3, they had chances to close it further and missed them. Similar to the senior game, the team who were able to take their scores better won the game.
Was just looking back to the 2008 / 09 minor teams and five from each team are in or around the panel although only three started last Sunday - Hennelly, AOS & COC. It will be interesting to see how many of the 2013 crop can make it....
Mayo - R Hennelly; D Dolan, K Keane, J Broderick; S McHale, E Reilly, S Nally (0-1); J Cafferty, G McDonagh; C Freeman (0-4), A O'Shea (0-2), R Geraghty (0-1); K Charlton, A Walsh (0-4, 3f), A Corduff (0-1). Subs - D Gavin (0-1) for Charlton (39), D O'Hara for Geraghty (49).
Mayo: Michael Schlingermann; David Gavin, Keith Rogers, Michael Walsh; Ciaran Charlton, Shane McDermott, Caolan Crowe; Danny Kirby, Aidan Walsh (0-6); Andrew Farrell, Darren Coen (0-1), Fergal Durkan; Daryl Herbert, Cillian O'Connor (2-0), Alex Corduff (0-1). Subs: Ian Costello, Jack McDonnell, John Carney (0-1), Michael McCormack
Not a bad return.
Hard to know with current crop. We might get a couple of seniors.
Stephen Coen looks the most likely. I think Hall and Plunkett maybe if they get the size.
Cunniffe and Cian Hanley have another year at minor and both looked very good already this year.
Eh? From a Mayo perspective no stone should be left unturned trying to develop Conroy (probably the most complete of the three FFs), Doherty (who is like a blinkered horse with the ball in hand, but obviously a very talented scorer) and Irwin who has the size and ability to develop into a senior. The other lads baring maybe Hanley would be coming into positions with good depth already.
I m not following you??
Mayo need FFs, not backs. A wing-forward like Hanley would be nice, but secondary to a lad like Conroy in terms of importance. Lads like Hall and Coen may make the cut but they're not at positions where Mayo are crying out for help or even depth. I think Mayo's forwards carried a team that routinely was poor in the middle and a little stand-offish at back. They are where the big potential lies in this Mayo team so it was bizarre you wouldn't mention any of the FFs.Quote from: NDA on September 24, 2013, 10:57:03 PM
That Irish Times article is probably the poorest piece of GAA journalism I have ever seen, and that is saying something.
Gavin Cummiskey should be ashamed of himself.
If some of the windup merchants on a forum like this had written it it could have been laughed off. Seriously disrespectful to Mayo as well as Tyrone. Mayo minors were excellent on Sunday and deserved their win.
Tyrone have overachieved with a young team and still could have won the game on Sunday with a bit of luck and a few breaks going their way.
Both teams deserve credit rather than having this rubbish published in a national newspaper.
This years minor final was a much better game in terms of both entertainment and quality of football than the really poor, negative, boring minor final served up last year by Dublin and Meath. I nearly fell asleep in Croke Park during it. I can't remember any outcry after that game?
The media campaign against Tyrone has gone too far now and needs to stop.
Trying to call other minor teams negative after Tyrone's antics this year is a little too rich for human blood. The Kildare robots might be able to handle it, though.
Not bizarre at all Sy. it s just that I ve seen it all before. If there is anything Mayo produce it s knacky minor corner forwards. Hope these lads go back to Club, College and U21s and make it as senior. Not dismissing them at all. And I m not going to scrutinise 17 yr olds on here.
But you have to factor in that some of the lads that were playing against our forwards will never play senior. Some may not even play senior club. Some of the Mayo minor teams listed above that played in AI finals dont even play any more. That s the reality. You know that when Ros won minor in 06 that a lot of fans would have anticipated that bunch to mature into serious senior players that would be back in Croke Park as a serious team. But that is not the way it works. As we ve found out often enough it takes a rare enough player to be able to compete when it comes to last 8 and AI final day is a different galaxy.
We've got plenty from that team and there's more to come from a lot of those lads. This is the lazy punditry that's applied to them a lot by outsiders but if the 2006 Mayo U21s walked into a team in free-fall where would they be? Certainly not competing in back-to-back AI finals.
Free-fall doesn't mean a couple championship shocks to minnows, it means the team panel collapsing, once-in-a-lifetime players retiring with years left on their careers, management openly attacking supporters and vice versa. We ended up in D4 heading into the 2010 championship.
Mayo lost to Sligo and Longford in 2010. Big friggin' deal. You've been hanging in D1 for donkey's years. You'd made AI finals four times in the previous decade or so. We didn't have those luxuries so of course progress is going to be judged by a very different graph. A lot of those 2006 players have made serious strides, particularly under Fergie and again this year under Evans. They certainly have not been a failure and their application and dedication has been a clear break from the tumultuous decade of mis-adventures that had preceded them. Roscommon supporters were far more circumspect about the speed progress was likely to happen at than outsiders were. The fooling around last season was another unnecessary set-back.
For Mayo they've got a team coming off two AI finals, two league semis and one league final to integrate players like Adam Gallagher, Conroy, Irwin or Hanley into. You have the luxury of letting the existing team help carry the youngsters on their first few steps. Our lads had no such luck.
Haven' t read the rest but that is bullshit Sy. In 2006 young Mayo players came into a crap management - and that 4 years of crap has possibly cost us an AI. Top players like Boyle and Parsons were destroyed. Players with a bit of balls like Harte were treated like shite. Cop yerself on. Now I ll read the rest of your post.
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Quote from: macdanger2 on September 24, 2013, 01:21:19 PM
Great to see Mayo winning an All Ireland in Croke Park - a bit of a balls that it's overshadowed by the loss in the senior final though.
Have just watched the match again and Tyrone will feel they left this one behind them - when they brought it back to 3, they had chances to close it further and missed them. Similar to the senior game, the team who were able to take their scores better won the game.
Was just looking back to the 2008 / 09 minor teams and five from each team are in or around the panel although only three started last Sunday - Hennelly, AOS & COC. It will be interesting to see how many of the 2013 crop can make it....
Mayo - R Hennelly; D Dolan, K Keane, J Broderick; S McHale, E Reilly, S Nally (0-1); J Cafferty, G McDonagh; C Freeman (0-4), A O'Shea (0-2), R Geraghty (0-1); K Charlton, A Walsh (0-4, 3f), A Corduff (0-1). Subs - D Gavin (0-1) for Charlton (39), D O'Hara for Geraghty (49).
Mayo: Michael Schlingermann; David Gavin, Keith Rogers, Michael Walsh; Ciaran Charlton, Shane McDermott, Caolan Crowe; Danny Kirby, Aidan Walsh (0-6); Andrew Farrell, Darren Coen (0-1), Fergal Durkan; Daryl Herbert, Cillian O'Connor (2-0), Alex Corduff (0-1). Subs: Ian Costello, Jack McDonnell, John Carney (0-1), Michael McCormack
Not a bad return.
Hard to know with current crop. We might get a couple of seniors.
Stephen Coen looks the most likely. I think Hall and Plunkett maybe if they get the size.
Cunniffe and Cian Hanley have another year at minor and both looked very good already this year.
Eh? From a Mayo perspective no stone should be left unturned trying to develop Conroy (probably the most complete of the three FFs), Doherty (who is like a blinkered horse with the ball in hand, but obviously a very talented scorer) and Irwin who has the size and ability to develop into a senior. The other lads baring maybe Hanley would be coming into positions with good depth already.
I m not following you??
Mayo need FFs, not backs. A wing-forward like Hanley would be nice, but secondary to a lad like Conroy in terms of importance. Lads like Hall and Coen may make the cut but they're not at positions where Mayo are crying out for help or even depth. I think Mayo's forwards carried a team that routinely was poor in the middle and a little stand-offish at back. They are where the big potential lies in this Mayo team so it was bizarre you wouldn't mention any of the FFs.Quote from: NDA on September 24, 2013, 10:57:03 PM
That Irish Times article is probably the poorest piece of GAA journalism I have ever seen, and that is saying something.
Gavin Cummiskey should be ashamed of himself.
If some of the windup merchants on a forum like this had written it it could have been laughed off. Seriously disrespectful to Mayo as well as Tyrone. Mayo minors were excellent on Sunday and deserved their win.
Tyrone have overachieved with a young team and still could have won the game on Sunday with a bit of luck and a few breaks going their way.
Both teams deserve credit rather than having this rubbish published in a national newspaper.
This years minor final was a much better game in terms of both entertainment and quality of football than the really poor, negative, boring minor final served up last year by Dublin and Meath. I nearly fell asleep in Croke Park during it. I can't remember any outcry after that game?
The media campaign against Tyrone has gone too far now and needs to stop.
Trying to call other minor teams negative after Tyrone's antics this year is a little too rich for human blood. The Kildare robots might be able to handle it, though.
Not bizarre at all Sy. it s just that I ve seen it all before. If there is anything Mayo produce it s knacky minor corner forwards. Hope these lads go back to Club, College and U21s and make it as senior. Not dismissing them at all. And I m not going to scrutinise 17 yr olds on here.
But you have to factor in that some of the lads that were playing against our forwards will never play senior. Some may not even play senior club. Some of the Mayo minor teams listed above that played in AI finals dont even play any more. That s the reality. You know that when Ros won minor in 06 that a lot of fans would have anticipated that bunch to mature into serious senior players that would be back in Croke Park as a serious team. But that is not the way it works. As we ve found out often enough it takes a rare enough player to be able to compete when it comes to last 8 and AI final day is a different galaxy.
We've got plenty from that team and there's more to come from a lot of those lads. This is the lazy punditry that's applied to them a lot by outsiders but if the 2006 Mayo U21s walked into a team in free-fall where would they be? Certainly not competing in back-to-back AI finals.
Free-fall doesn't mean a couple championship shocks to minnows, it means the team panel collapsing, once-in-a-lifetime players retiring with years left on their careers, management openly attacking supporters and vice versa. We ended up in D4 heading into the 2010 championship.
Mayo lost to Sligo and Longford in 2010. Big friggin' deal. You've been hanging in D1 for donkey's years. You'd made AI finals four times in the previous decade or so. We didn't have those luxuries so of course progress is going to be judged by a very different graph. A lot of those 2006 players have made serious strides, particularly under Fergie and again this year under Evans. They certainly have not been a failure and their application and dedication has been a clear break from the tumultuous decade of mis-adventures that had preceded them. Roscommon supporters were far more circumspect about the speed progress was likely to happen at than outsiders were. The fooling around last season was another unnecessary set-back.
For Mayo they've got a team coming off two AI finals, two league semis and one league final to integrate players like Adam Gallagher, Conroy, Irwin or Hanley into. You have the luxury of letting the existing team help carry the youngsters on their first few steps. Our lads had no such luck.
Haven' t read the rest but that is bullshit Sy. In 2006 young Mayo players came into a crap management - and that 4 years of crap has possibly cost us an AI. Top players like Boyle and Parsons were destroyed. Players with a bit of balls like Harte were treated like shite. Cop yerself on. Now I ll read the rest of your post.
Crap management or no crap management, what was the general standard of play, funding and expectation in the county? All those crap management teams didn't manage to get ye to drop for D1 once which must be a serious black mark in their quest for crapness.
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Great to see Mayo winning an All Ireland in Croke Park - a bit of a balls that it's overshadowed by the loss in the senior final though.
Have just watched the match again and Tyrone will feel they left this one behind them - when they brought it back to 3, they had chances to close it further and missed them. Similar to the senior game, the team who were able to take their scores better won the game.
Was just looking back to the 2008 / 09 minor teams and five from each team are in or around the panel although only three started last Sunday - Hennelly, AOS & COC. It will be interesting to see how many of the 2013 crop can make it....
Mayo - R Hennelly; D Dolan, K Keane, J Broderick; S McHale, E Reilly, S Nally (0-1); J Cafferty, G McDonagh; C Freeman (0-4), A O'Shea (0-2), R Geraghty (0-1); K Charlton, A Walsh (0-4, 3f), A Corduff (0-1). Subs - D Gavin (0-1) for Charlton (39), D O'Hara for Geraghty (49).
Mayo: Michael Schlingermann; David Gavin, Keith Rogers, Michael Walsh; Ciaran Charlton, Shane McDermott, Caolan Crowe; Danny Kirby, Aidan Walsh (0-6); Andrew Farrell, Darren Coen (0-1), Fergal Durkan; Daryl Herbert, Cillian O'Connor (2-0), Alex Corduff (0-1). Subs: Ian Costello, Jack McDonnell, John Carney (0-1), Michael McCormack
Not a bad return.
Hard to know with current crop. We might get a couple of seniors.
Stephen Coen looks the most likely. I think Hall and Plunkett maybe if they get the size.
Cunniffe and Cian Hanley have another year at minor and both looked very good already this year.
Eh? From a Mayo perspective no stone should be left unturned trying to develop Conroy (probably the most complete of the three FFs), Doherty (who is like a blinkered horse with the ball in hand, but obviously a very talented scorer) and Irwin who has the size and ability to develop into a senior. The other lads baring maybe Hanley would be coming into positions with good depth already.
I m not following you??
Mayo need FFs, not backs. A wing-forward like Hanley would be nice, but secondary to a lad like Conroy in terms of importance. Lads like Hall and Coen may make the cut but they're not at positions where Mayo are crying out for help or even depth. I think Mayo's forwards carried a team that routinely was poor in the middle and a little stand-offish at back. They are where the big potential lies in this Mayo team so it was bizarre you wouldn't mention any of the FFs.Quote from: NDA on September 24, 2013, 10:57:03 PM
That Irish Times article is probably the poorest piece of GAA journalism I have ever seen, and that is saying something.
Gavin Cummiskey should be ashamed of himself.
If some of the windup merchants on a forum like this had written it it could have been laughed off. Seriously disrespectful to Mayo as well as Tyrone. Mayo minors were excellent on Sunday and deserved their win.
Tyrone have overachieved with a young team and still could have won the game on Sunday with a bit of luck and a few breaks going their way.
Both teams deserve credit rather than having this rubbish published in a national newspaper.
This years minor final was a much better game in terms of both entertainment and quality of football than the really poor, negative, boring minor final served up last year by Dublin and Meath. I nearly fell asleep in Croke Park during it. I can't remember any outcry after that game?
The media campaign against Tyrone has gone too far now and needs to stop.
Trying to call other minor teams negative after Tyrone's antics this year is a little too rich for human blood. The Kildare robots might be able to handle it, though.
Not bizarre at all Sy. it s just that I ve seen it all before. If there is anything Mayo produce it s knacky minor corner forwards. Hope these lads go back to Club, College and U21s and make it as senior. Not dismissing them at all. And I m not going to scrutinise 17 yr olds on here.
But you have to factor in that some of the lads that were playing against our forwards will never play senior. Some may not even play senior club. Some of the Mayo minor teams listed above that played in AI finals dont even play any more. That s the reality. You know that when Ros won minor in 06 that a lot of fans would have anticipated that bunch to mature into serious senior players that would be back in Croke Park as a serious team. But that is not the way it works. As we ve found out often enough it takes a rare enough player to be able to compete when it comes to last 8 and AI final day is a different galaxy.
We've got plenty from that team and there's more to come from a lot of those lads. This is the lazy punditry that's applied to them a lot by outsiders but if the 2006 Mayo U21s walked into a team in free-fall where would they be? Certainly not competing in back-to-back AI finals.
Free-fall doesn't mean a couple championship shocks to minnows, it means the team panel collapsing, once-in-a-lifetime players retiring with years left on their careers, management openly attacking supporters and vice versa. We ended up in D4 heading into the 2010 championship.
Mayo lost to Sligo and Longford in 2010. Big friggin' deal. You've been hanging in D1 for donkey's years. You'd made AI finals four times in the previous decade or so. We didn't have those luxuries so of course progress is going to be judged by a very different graph. A lot of those 2006 players have made serious strides, particularly under Fergie and again this year under Evans. They certainly have not been a failure and their application and dedication has been a clear break from the tumultuous decade of mis-adventures that had preceded them. Roscommon supporters were far more circumspect about the speed progress was likely to happen at than outsiders were. The fooling around last season was another unnecessary set-back.
For Mayo they've got a team coming off two AI finals, two league semis and one league final to integrate players like Adam Gallagher, Conroy, Irwin or Hanley into. You have the luxury of letting the existing team help carry the youngsters on their first few steps. Our lads had no such luck.
Now I ve read the rest and I appreciate your grá for your county. But I still don t get your point. Of any county in Connacht, Mayo have the biggest turnover of players. There has been times when there was no bones to hang new players on. Take 96, I dont thing Noel Connelly ever played a Championship match previously but captained the team in 96/97 ???
The possibility of any of the 4 lads you mention above being serious senior players is not great. I remember in 08 neutrals expecting Shane Nalley to be a senior in a year or 2. Doesn t work that way. Better backs like Burke and Walsh didn t even get a jersey the last day and fellas that did were not trusted in that cauldron. Mature players on both sides struggles. different level.
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Great to see Mayo winning an All Ireland in Croke Park - a bit of a balls that it's overshadowed by the loss in the senior final though.
Have just watched the match again and Tyrone will feel they left this one behind them - when they brought it back to 3, they had chances to close it further and missed them. Similar to the senior game, the team who were able to take their scores better won the game.
Was just looking back to the 2008 / 09 minor teams and five from each team are in or around the panel although only three started last Sunday - Hennelly, AOS & COC. It will be interesting to see how many of the 2013 crop can make it....
Mayo - R Hennelly; D Dolan, K Keane, J Broderick; S McHale, E Reilly, S Nally (0-1); J Cafferty, G McDonagh; C Freeman (0-4), A O'Shea (0-2), R Geraghty (0-1); K Charlton, A Walsh (0-4, 3f), A Corduff (0-1). Subs - D Gavin (0-1) for Charlton (39), D O'Hara for Geraghty (49).
Mayo: Michael Schlingermann; David Gavin, Keith Rogers, Michael Walsh; Ciaran Charlton, Shane McDermott, Caolan Crowe; Danny Kirby, Aidan Walsh (0-6); Andrew Farrell, Darren Coen (0-1), Fergal Durkan; Daryl Herbert, Cillian O'Connor (2-0), Alex Corduff (0-1). Subs: Ian Costello, Jack McDonnell, John Carney (0-1), Michael McCormack
Not a bad return.
Hard to know with current crop. We might get a couple of seniors.
Stephen Coen looks the most likely. I think Hall and Plunkett maybe if they get the size.
Cunniffe and Cian Hanley have another year at minor and both looked very good already this year.
Eh? From a Mayo perspective no stone should be left unturned trying to develop Conroy (probably the most complete of the three FFs), Doherty (who is like a blinkered horse with the ball in hand, but obviously a very talented scorer) and Irwin who has the size and ability to develop into a senior. The other lads baring maybe Hanley would be coming into positions with good depth already.
I m not following you??
Mayo need FFs, not backs. A wing-forward like Hanley would be nice, but secondary to a lad like Conroy in terms of importance. Lads like Hall and Coen may make the cut but they're not at positions where Mayo are crying out for help or even depth. I think Mayo's forwards carried a team that routinely was poor in the middle and a little stand-offish at back. They are where the big potential lies in this Mayo team so it was bizarre you wouldn't mention any of the FFs.Quote from: NDA on September 24, 2013, 10:57:03 PM
That Irish Times article is probably the poorest piece of GAA journalism I have ever seen, and that is saying something.
Gavin Cummiskey should be ashamed of himself.
If some of the windup merchants on a forum like this had written it it could have been laughed off. Seriously disrespectful to Mayo as well as Tyrone. Mayo minors were excellent on Sunday and deserved their win.
Tyrone have overachieved with a young team and still could have won the game on Sunday with a bit of luck and a few breaks going their way.
Both teams deserve credit rather than having this rubbish published in a national newspaper.
This years minor final was a much better game in terms of both entertainment and quality of football than the really poor, negative, boring minor final served up last year by Dublin and Meath. I nearly fell asleep in Croke Park during it. I can't remember any outcry after that game?
The media campaign against Tyrone has gone too far now and needs to stop.
Trying to call other minor teams negative after Tyrone's antics this year is a little too rich for human blood. The Kildare robots might be able to handle it, though.
Not bizarre at all Sy. it s just that I ve seen it all before. If there is anything Mayo produce it s knacky minor corner forwards. Hope these lads go back to Club, College and U21s and make it as senior. Not dismissing them at all. And I m not going to scrutinise 17 yr olds on here.
But you have to factor in that some of the lads that were playing against our forwards will never play senior. Some may not even play senior club. Some of the Mayo minor teams listed above that played in AI finals dont even play any more. That s the reality. You know that when Ros won minor in 06 that a lot of fans would have anticipated that bunch to mature into serious senior players that would be back in Croke Park as a serious team. But that is not the way it works. As we ve found out often enough it takes a rare enough player to be able to compete when it comes to last 8 and AI final day is a different galaxy.
We've got plenty from that team and there's more to come from a lot of those lads. This is the lazy punditry that's applied to them a lot by outsiders but if the 2006 Mayo U21s walked into a team in free-fall where would they be? Certainly not competing in back-to-back AI finals.
Free-fall doesn't mean a couple championship shocks to minnows, it means the team panel collapsing, once-in-a-lifetime players retiring with years left on their careers, management openly attacking supporters and vice versa. We ended up in D4 heading into the 2010 championship.
Mayo lost to Sligo and Longford in 2010. Big friggin' deal. You've been hanging in D1 for donkey's years. You'd made AI finals four times in the previous decade or so. We didn't have those luxuries so of course progress is going to be judged by a very different graph. A lot of those 2006 players have made serious strides, particularly under Fergie and again this year under Evans. They certainly have not been a failure and their application and dedication has been a clear break from the tumultuous decade of mis-adventures that had preceded them. Roscommon supporters were far more circumspect about the speed progress was likely to happen at than outsiders were. The fooling around last season was another unnecessary set-back.
For Mayo they've got a team coming off two AI finals, two league semis and one league final to integrate players like Adam Gallagher, Conroy, Irwin or Hanley into. You have the luxury of letting the existing team help carry the youngsters on their first few steps. Our lads had no such luck.
Haven' t read the rest but that is bullshit Sy. In 2006 young Mayo players came into a crap management - and that 4 years of crap has possibly cost us an AI. Top players like Boyle and Parsons were destroyed. Players with a bit of balls like Harte were treated like shite. Cop yerself on. Now I ll read the rest of your post.
Crap management or no crap management, what was the general standard of play, funding and expectation in the county? All those crap management teams didn't manage to get ye to drop for D1 once which must be a serious black mark in their quest for crapness.
Management in Mayohave to be judged on championship. Tough, but if a county is regularly reaching the last 8/4/2 that is the minimum requirement really.
As for D1 I reckon you could stand down the Mayo starting 15 the last day and still have a good cut at staying in D1. Apart from Dublin I dont think another county could make that boast. But strength in depth does not seem to do us any favour in September.
Mayo XV league 2014
Clarkie/O Malley
Michael Walsh Shane McHale Kevin Keane
Brendan Harrison Danny Geraghty James Burke
Barry Moran Jason Gibbons
Richie Feeney Darren Coen Conor O Shea
Evan Regan Jason Doherty Michael Conroy
The above could even win a Connacht championship at the present time and I bet I ve overlooked a couple.
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As for D1 I reckon you could stand down the Mayo starting 15 the last day and still have a good cut at staying in D1. Apart from Dublin I dont think another county could make that boast. But strength in depth does not seem to do us any favour in September.
Mayo XV league 2014
Clarkie/O Malley
Michael Walsh Shane McHale Kevin Keane
Brendan Harrison Danny Geraghty James Burke
Barry Moran Jason Gibbons
Richie Feeney Darren Coen Conor O Shea
Evan Regan Jason Doherty Michael Conroy
The above could even win a Connacht championship at the present time and I bet I ve overlooked a couple.
Good for you Moysider but you are somewhat over-rating the strength in depth Mayo have. Its not the long ago that Roscommon and Sligo have got within one score v Mayo in Connacht finals and London brought Mayo to extra time.
IMO that Mayo team named above would get relegated from D1.
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Quote from: moysider on September 25, 2013, 10:19:26 PM
As for D1 I reckon you could stand down the Mayo starting 15 the last day and still have a good cut at staying in D1. Apart from Dublin I dont think another county could make that boast. But strength in depth does not seem to do us any favour in September.
Mayo XV league 2014
Clarkie/O Malley
Michael Walsh Shane McHale Kevin Keane
Brendan Harrison Danny Geraghty James Burke
Barry Moran Jason Gibbons
Richie Feeney Darren Coen Conor O Shea
Evan Regan Jason Doherty Michael Conroy
The above could even win a Connacht championship at the present time and I bet I ve overlooked a couple.
Good for you Moysider but you are somewhat over-rating the strength in depth Mayo have. Its not the long ago that Roscommon and Sligo have got within one score v Mayo in Connacht finals and London brought Mayo to extra time.
IMO that Mayo team named above would get relegated from D1.
It might but it would give it a good shot if it took it seriously. That s all I said. Unlike Kerry last Spring who were disappearing without trace until they called on the cavalry - the old warhorses dripping with crosses.
And the way the CC turned out this year I m pretty confident that the above team 'could' have won it.
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It might but it would give it a good shot if it took it seriously. That s all I said. Unlike Kerry last Spring who were disappearing without trace until they called on the cavalry - the old warhorses dripping with crosses.
And the way the CC turned out this year I m pretty confident that the above team 'could' have won it.
The last two years in div one Mayo finished on 6 and 7 points how points do you think they would have got with 15 changes? and London were good enough to beat Sligo,Leitrim this summer i also think they would be good to beat a 2nd string Mayo side.
If Galway,Roscommon and Sligo start taking Connacht more seriously again you might discover how competitive the province can be.
Hmm....
Mayo XV league 2014
Clarkie/O Malley
Kevin Keane Shane McHale Michael Walsh
Richie Feeney Danny Geraghty James Burke
Barry Moran Jason Gibbons
Evan Regan Aidan Kilcoyne Cathal Carolan
Conor Mortimor Danny Kirby Jason Doherty
I think that team would do no worse than our 2007-2010 efforts.
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It might but it would give it a good shot if it took it seriously. That s all I said. Unlike Kerry last Spring who were disappearing without trace until they called on the cavalry - the old warhorses dripping with crosses.
And the way the CC turned out this year I m pretty confident that the above team 'could' have won it.
The last two years in div one Mayo finished on 6 and 7 points how points do you think they would have got with 15 changes? and London were good enough to beat Sligo,Leitrim this summer i also think they would be good to beat a 2nd string Mayo side.
If Galway,Roscommon and Sligo start taking Connacht more seriously again you might discover how competitive the province can be.
Are you serious! I thought this was a serious board. Galway, Roscommon and Sligo have not been taking championship football seriously enough! Like why not?
Believe me they were serious. So what were they taking seriously instead? Divisions X,Y,Z of national league or maybe the FBD?
Sorry no. London would not have come near the 2nd string Mayo above. Not if they were up to Summer speed.
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Are you serious! I thought this was a serious board. Galway, Roscommon and Sligo have not been taking championship football seriously enough! Like why not?
Believe me they were serious. So what were they taking seriously instead? Divisions X,Y,Z of national league or maybe the FBD?
Sorry no. London would not have come near the 2nd string Mayo above. Not if they were up to Summer speed.
Its Minor football thread and you are typing about Mayos second string senior sides competing in div one and winning Connacht, are you serious!
IMO any decent side that gets hammered in games aren't taking it serious and you have to give credit to the London for taking out Sligo,Leitrim thats why i think they would also take out a weakened Mayo without 15 starters.
I bet as soon as Mayo are beaten by a less than great side you will say they weren't taking the game seriously.
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Are you serious! I thought this was a serious board. Galway, Roscommon and Sligo have not been taking championship football seriously enough! Like why not?
Believe me they were serious. So what were they taking seriously instead? Divisions X,Y,Z of national league or maybe the FBD?
Sorry no. London would not have come near the 2nd string Mayo above. Not if they were up to Summer speed.
Its Minor football thread and you are typing about Mayos second string senior sides competing in div one and winning Connacht, are you serious!
IMO any decent side that gets hammered in games aren't taking it serious and you have to give credit to the London for taking out Sligo,Leitrim thats why i think they would also take out a weakened Mayo without 15 starters.
I bet as soon as Mayo are beaten by a less than great side you will say they weren't taking the game seriously.quote[/
On the contrary. My posts from 2010 and before when we were beaten by less than great sides are still there to be seen. Far from making excuses for our lot. Between 95 (where shipped a big beating in Tuam) and 96 championeraship we did a huge revamp and almost got over the line in September with a rookie team coming from Div.3. Several of the 96 team had not played champioship before including the Keeper and the Captain. MacDonald was not even in the country. Quality platers like O Neill and Butler were not even involved and we still got close.
On the contrary. My posts from 2010 and before when we were beaten by less than great sides are still there to be seen. Far from making excuses for our lot. Between 95 (where shipped a big beating in Tuam) and 96 championaship we did a huge revamp and almost got over the line in September with a rookie team coming from Div.3. Several of the 96 team had not played champioship before including the Keeper and the Captain. MacDonald was not even in the country. Quality platers like O Neill and Butler were not even involved and we still got close.
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As for D1 I reckon you could stand down the Mayo starting 15 the last day and still have a good cut at staying in D1. Apart from Dublin I dont think another county could make that boast. But strength in depth does not seem to do us any favour in September.
Mayo XV league 2014
Clarkie/O Malley
Michael Walsh Shane McHale Kevin Keane
Brendan Harrison Danny Geraghty James Burke
Barry Moran Jason Gibbons
Richie Feeney Darren Coen Conor O Shea
Evan Regan Jason Doherty Michael Conroy
The above could even win a Connacht championship at the present time and I bet I ve overlooked a couple.
Good for you Moysider but you are somewhat over-rating the strength in depth Mayo have. Its not the long ago that Roscommon and Sligo have got within one score v Mayo in Connacht finals and London brought Mayo to extra time.
IMO that Mayo team named above would get relegated from D1.
It might but it would give it a good shot if it took it seriously. That s all I said. Unlike Kerry last Spring who were disappearing without trace until they called on the cavalry - the old warhorses dripping with crosses.
And the way the CC turned out this year I m pretty confident that the above team 'could' have won it.
Is that not more of a reflection of how bad the CC is? I thought Galway showed some marginal improvement this year.
I don;t know what the hell goes on in Galway to be honest. Stacks of good players who seem to never come through the system (if they have one)
Dublin have a development senior team outside the senior team who pretty much train like a county team. Nutrition, proper weights and practice matches against Dublin's bench asa well as most of them being involved with the County 21's.
If I was involved in Galway that's the first thing I'd do is set that up and I guarantee you it would work.
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As for D1 I reckon you could stand down the Mayo starting 15 the last day and still have a good cut at staying in D1. Apart from Dublin I dont think another county could make that boast. But strength in depth does not seem to do us any favour in September.
Mayo XV league 2014
Clarkie/O Malley
Michael Walsh Shane McHale Kevin Keane
Brendan Harrison Danny Geraghty James Burke
Barry Moran Jason Gibbons
Richie Feeney Darren Coen Conor O Shea
Evan Regan Jason Doherty Michael Conroy
The above could even win a Connacht championship at the present time and I bet I ve overlooked a couple.
Good for you Moysider but you are somewhat over-rating the strength in depth Mayo have. Its not the long ago that Roscommon and Sligo have got within one score v Mayo in Connacht finals and London brought Mayo to extra time.
IMO that Mayo team named above would get relegated from D1.
It might but it would give it a good shot if it took it seriously. That s all I said. Unlike Kerry last Spring who were disappearing without trace until they called on the cavalry - the old warhorses dripping with crosses.
And the way the CC turned out this year I m pretty confident that the above team 'could' have won it.
Is that not more of a reflection of how bad the CC is? I thought Galway showed some marginal improvement this year.
I don;t know what the hell goes on in Galway to be honest. Stacks of good players who seem to never come through the system (if they have one)
Dublin have a development senior team outside the senior team who pretty much train like a county team. Nutrition, proper weights and practice matches against Dublin's bench asa well as most of them being involved with the County 21's.
If I was involved in Galway that's the first thing I'd do is set that up and I guarantee you it would work.
I really doubt a "reserve" Mayo team would win the CC (even a non-vintage CC). People used to say that a reserve Kilkenny team would have won the All-Ireland when they were at their peak. They wouldn't have.
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Quote from: INDIANA on September 26, 2013, 07:41:44 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 25, 2013, 11:09:22 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 25, 2013, 10:57:33 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 25, 2013, 10:19:26 PM
As for D1 I reckon you could stand down the Mayo starting 15 the last day and still have a good cut at staying in D1. Apart from Dublin I dont think another county could make that boast. But strength in depth does not seem to do us any favour in September.
Mayo XV league 2014
Clarkie/O Malley
Michael Walsh Shane McHale Kevin Keane
Brendan Harrison Danny Geraghty James Burke
Barry Moran Jason Gibbons
Richie Feeney Darren Coen Conor O Shea
Evan Regan Jason Doherty Michael Conroy
The above could even win a Connacht championship at the present time and I bet I ve overlooked a couple.
Good for you Moysider but you are somewhat over-rating the strength in depth Mayo have. Its not the long ago that Roscommon and Sligo have got within one score v Mayo in Connacht finals and London brought Mayo to extra time.
IMO that Mayo team named above would get relegated from D1.
It might but it would give it a good shot if it took it seriously. That s all I said. Unlike Kerry last Spring who were disappearing without trace until they called on the cavalry - the old warhorses dripping with crosses.
And the way the CC turned out this year I m pretty confident that the above team 'could' have won it.
Is that not more of a reflection of how bad the CC is? I thought Galway showed some marginal improvement this year.
I don;t know what the hell goes on in Galway to be honest. Stacks of good players who seem to never come through the system (if they have one)
Dublin have a development senior team outside the senior team who pretty much train like a county team. Nutrition, proper weights and practice matches against Dublin's bench asa well as most of them being involved with the County 21's.
If I was involved in Galway that's the first thing I'd do is set that up and I guarantee you it would work.
I really doubt a "reserve" Mayo team would win the CC (even a non-vintage CC). People used to say that a reserve Kilkenny team would have won the All-Ireland when they were at their peak. They wouldn't have.
Hardly a reserve. I think most have played some championship football. I expect that team would give the AI starting 15 a good run.
Quote from: moysider on September 26, 2013, 09:53:01 PM
Hardly a reserve. I think most have played some championship football. I expect that team would give the AI starting 15 a good run.
How many senior championship appearances would the players in bold have?
Clarkie/
O MalleyMichael Walsh Shane McHale Kevin Keane
Brendan Harrison Danny Geraghty James Burke Barry Moran
Jason GibbonsRichie Feeney
Darren Coen Conor O Shea Evan Regan Jason Doherty Michael Conroy
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 26, 2013, 10:34:50 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 26, 2013, 09:53:01 PM
Hardly a reserve. I think most have played some championship football. I expect that team would give the AI starting 15 a good run.
How many senior championship appearances would the players in bold have?
Clarkie/O Malley
Michael Walsh Shane McHale Kevin Keane
Brendan Harrison Danny Geraghty James Burke
Barry Moran Jason Gibbons
Richie Feeney Darren Coen Conor O Shea
Evan Regan Jason Doherty Michael Conroy
Can't answer your direct question on the number of appearances, but of the 10 players you highlighted, 5 have played senior championship
this year (Walsh-FBD, Harrison-FBD&U21, Geraghty, O'Shea-FBD&U21, Regan-NFL&U21 didn't feature).
From moy's statement 'most' have played some championship football', by my reckoning 12 of those 16 players have - incredibly that team have 20 Senior AIF appearances between them(7 of them featured in the league final last year).
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on September 27, 2013, 03:48:11 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 26, 2013, 10:34:50 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 26, 2013, 09:53:01 PM
Hardly a reserve. I think most have played some championship football. I expect that team would give the AI starting 15 a good run.
How many senior championship appearances would the players in bold have?
Clarkie/O Malley
Michael Walsh Shane McHale Kevin Keane
Brendan Harrison Danny Geraghty James Burke
Barry Moran Jason Gibbons
Richie Feeney Darren Coen Conor O Shea
Evan Regan Jason Doherty Michael Conroy
Can't answer your direct question on the number of appearances, but of the 10 players you highlighted, 5 have played senior championship this year (Walsh-FBD, Harrison-FBD&U21, Geraghty, O'Shea-FBD&U21, Regan-NFL&U21 didn't feature).
From moy's statement 'most' have played some championship football', by my reckoning 12 of those 16 players have - incredibly that team have 20 Senior AIF appearances between them(7 of them featured in the league final last year).
Still wouldn't beat its way out of an Arthur's Day sick bag, lads.