Let's have some predictions...
Kildare v Monaghan
Cork v Roscommon
Donegal v Tyrone
Galway v Mayo
Flourbags
Ros
Tyrone
Galway
Monaghan.
Donegal.
Cork.
Mayo.
Kildare
Cork
Galway
Tyrone
Kildare
Roscommon
Tyrone
Mayo
Monaghan
Cork
Donegal
Galway
Monaghan
Roscommon
Tyrone
Galway
Monaghan
Cork
Tyrone
Mayo
Kildare v Monaghan after penalties
Cork v Roscommon
Donegal v Tyrone
Galway v Mayo
Monaghan
Cork
Donegal
Galway
Kildare, Cork and Donegal coming off victories should be winning.
But.... Will they get back to Earth in time while their opponents will no doubt be coming with increased determination to make up for sh1tshows?
So I'll go
Kildare,
Cork aet
Tyrone
Galway as they have a smaller and more focused management team.
Monaghan
Roscommon
Donegal
Galway
Monaghan
Cork
Donegal
Galway
This is really a huge game for Kildare
Fail here and they really deserve to continue to be tagged with the "sh1t the nest" label which they've had for some time despite different mgmt teams at the helm
Monaghan have shown they can pull out big results every year, I've a feeing they've ran dry now
Tentative vote to Kildare
Cork based on their recent performances and at home
No Comer, Walsh off form, looked flat last Sunday
Mayo by a few points
This the hardest to call
Think it will be a dour game, defensive, sideways stuff..
Donegal no world beaters, despite picking up form. Tyrone have shown spells of brilliance in every game despite their overall form..with mccurry back, slight edge goes to them
probably last stop for both teams
Kildare v Monaghan
Cork v Roscommon
Donegal v Tyrone
Galway v Mayo
Kildare v Monaghan
Cork v Roscommon
Donegal v Tyrone
Galway v Mayo
It wouldn't be a surprise if at least one of these games went to extra time.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 21, 2023, 11:25:36 AM
Kildare v Monaghan
Cork v Roscommon
Donegal v Tyrone
Galway v Mayo
It wouldn't be a surprise if at least one of these games went to extra time.
I would appreciate it if they all went to extra time, and each of the winning teams pick up a couple of suspensions/injuries that rule them out of playing the following week ;)
Going for 4 away wins next week
Monaghan
Roscommon
Tyrone
Mayo
Same. 4 away wins for me as well.
I fancy Cork, Mayo, Tyrone and Kildare.
Four tight away wins for me.
Monaghan
Cork
Tyrone
Mayo
Monaghan, Cork, Tyrone, Galway.
4 decent games well spread out over the weekend, will help put in the Saturday.
It's great to see 4 close knockout matches coming up. The longest odds on any one team is 7/4 giving a good indication of how competitive they should be. I don't think the quarter finals will be as competitive with a couple of games likely to have clear favourites. This should be one of the best weekends of the championship.
Very hard to make a call on any of the games. Before last week you'd have expected the second seeds to be Kerry, Tyrone Roscommon and Monaghan and for them all to be clear favourites. But things have changed drastically since then and the new second seeds have all picked up valuable momentum and a home draw (or close to home for Kildare).
Donegal's biggest disadvantage this weekend is the squad. We're missing too many players and thus will have few options off the bench when the team tires in the last 15. It will be tight up until then, but I'd expect Tyrone to then pull away and win by a few points.
Quote from: J70 on June 21, 2023, 03:21:55 PM
Donegal's biggest disadvantage this weekend is the squad. We're missing too many players and thus will have few options off the bench when the team tires in the last 15. It will be tight up until then, but I'd expect Tyrone to then pull away and win by a few points.
Tyrone aren't overly coming down with options off the bench at the minute either with players struggling for previous form mcgeary/sludden and a number of new players who are relatively untested at this level. McCurry returning will be a huge help and will probably help them do just enough.
Quote from: J70 on June 21, 2023, 03:21:55 PM
Donegal's biggest disadvantage this weekend is the squad. We're missing too many players and thus will have few options off the bench when the team tires in the last 15. It will be tight up until then, but I'd expect Tyrone to then pull away and win by a few points.
I would agree if Tyrone had big options off the bench but they don't. The subs haven't made a big impact on the games and if they had they would have likely topped the group.
Quote from: J70 on June 21, 2023, 03:21:55 PM
Donegal's biggest disadvantage this weekend is the squad. We're missing too many players and thus will have few options off the bench when the team tires in the last 15. It will be tight up until then, but I'd expect Tyrone to then pull away and win by a few points.
That might well be true but I don't think Tyrone have much of a squad either, they've had so many defections over the last year or two.
Maybe we've a (little) chance then so! :)
Breaks my heart to admit it but Darragh Canavan is a real star in the making.
Worth the admission on his own.
Monaghan
Cork
Tyrone
Mayo
How many are Tyrone missing who would be definite starters on Sunday?
For Donegal, Ryan McHugh, Michael Langan and Peader Mogan are nailed on starters who are out injured. McFadden Ferry probably would be starting but is out for the year too. McBrearty is feeling his way back from a bad one he got in the league game in Omagh and will probably start from the bench. Jason McGee is in and out with injury - no idea if he'll be available Sunday, but we need him as we are light at midfield.
One of the two O'Donnell brothers have been first choice the previous two seasons (Niall in 21, Shane last year), but they opted out for the year.
Thought Cork would have been favourites considering they were narrowly beaten by kerry and they beat mayo
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 21, 2023, 08:26:41 PM
Thought Cork would have been favourites considering they were narrowly beaten by kerry and they beat mayo
Roscommon favourites probably based on season long form. Roscommon beat Mayo and narrowly beaten by Kerry also. Odds has Roscommon by 1 point but Cork at home off the back of win compared to Roscommon off the back of a defeat so a real 50/50 game.
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Quote from: tyrone08 on June 21, 2023, 08:26:41 PM
Thought Cork would have been favourites considering they were narrowly beaten by kerry and they beat mayo
Roscommon favourites probably based on season long form. Roscommon beat Mayo and narrowly beaten by Kerry also. Odds has Roscommon by 1 point but Cork at home off the back of win compared to Roscommon off the back of a defeat so a real 50/50 game.
I think the Cork v Sheep Stealer match was the easiest to predict. A straightforward win for the sheep stealers.
If Cork can beat Mayo then they have a good chance against Roscommon.
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 21, 2023, 08:26:41 PM
Thought Cork would have been favourites considering they were narrowly beaten by kerry and they beat mayo
They are D2. Ros are D1
Quote from: armaghniac on June 21, 2023, 11:29:16 PM
If Cork can beat Mayo then they have a good chance against Roscommon.
It wouldn't be a surprise if one or two of these games went to penalties. I fancy Kildare, Tyrone, Roscommon and Mayo but all of the games could go either way.
The problem for Kildare is that we never know who is showing uo so sadly I'd say Monaghan will win.
I think Rossies will bounce back.
Donegal and Galway.
Galway are another team that swing week to week and so I reckon they will be Good Galway on Sunday...
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2023, 06:03:50 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 21, 2023, 08:26:41 PM
Thought Cork would have been favourites considering they were narrowly beaten by kerry and they beat mayo
They are D2. Ros are D1
Kildare are D2 also :-\
:'(
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Quote from: tyrone08 on June 21, 2023, 08:26:41 PM
Thought Cork would have been favourites considering they were narrowly beaten by kerry and they beat mayo
They are D2. Ros are D1
Kildare are D2 also :-\
Mayo are top of Div one
Kildare v Monaghan - Monaghan usually have a big game in them and this could be it.
Cork v Roscommon - Tight one, but home advantage and Cork have been improving.
Donegal v Tyrone - I think Donegal have turned a corner. Really put it up to Derry and shut out McGuigan then comfortably beat Monaghan. They'll shut out Canavan I think. Tyrone have a poor middle 8 and I think Donegal will hurt them here.
Galway v Mayo - Both teams full strength I'm going for Galway, but with so many key players reportedly injured I think Mayo will take it.
Kildare v Monaghan - Monaghan to shade this one.
Cork v Roscommon - Roscommon should have too much for Cork.
Donegal v Tyrone - Donegal are improving and I'd fancy them to take this one. Although Jason Mc Gee will be a big loss if he's out.
Galway v Mayo - Both teams are faltering a bit at the wrong time but I still fancy Galway, even if Comer and Kelly are out.
Q
Won the league competition, I would like to focus on their predictions.
Only way I can see Mayo winning is if we make three changes, two positional changes and if
Kelly, Comer are out, and Walsh who does not look right does not beat us on his own.
Kildare v Monaghan - kildare
Cork v Roscommon - cork
Donegal v Tyrone - tyrone
Galway v Mayo - mayo
Kildare v Monaghan - tough one but Kildare's shooting, energy and tactics impressed me on Sunday.
Cork v Roscommon - generally we don't recover well when wind is knocked out of our sails, as it just was, but giving us a hesitant vote
Donegal v Tyrone - Donegal seem to have made a Lazarus like recovery from their latter showings in the league
Galway v Mayo - Galway are in trouble with injuries but Mayo don't have the players to unlock that Galway defense and have always found the Hurson more sympathetic to tough defenders than harried forwards
Monaghan
Cork
Mayo
Tyrone
Meath
Down
@ 28/1 Kildare most likely to scupper it.
Quote from: Angus MacGyver on June 22, 2023, 07:22:36 PM
Monaghan
Cork
Mayo
Tyrone
Meath
Down
@ 28/1 Kildare most likely to scupper it.
Nah, you should have went for the Rossies.
Quote from: Angus MacGyver on June 22, 2023, 07:22:36 PM
Monaghan
Cork
Mayo
Tyrone
Meath
Down
@ 28/1 Kildare most likely to scupper it.
and Roscommon plus Galway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpYEJx7PkWE
Kildare
Cork
Mayo
Tyrone
2 of draws and one game to go to pennos.
Kildare v Monaghan
Cork v Roscommon
Donegal v Tyrone
Galway v Mayo
Monaghan
Roscommon
Tyrone
Galway
Hopefully none of these four games or the upcoming Quarter finals and semi finals are decided on penalties
Kildare
Cork
Tyrone
Galway
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 24, 2023, 01:30:19 AM
Monaghan
Roscommon
Tyrone
Galway
Hopefully none of these four games or the upcoming Quarter finals and semi finals are decided on penalties
Penalties would be a sign of evenly matched teams.
I think that a Tyrone win would be great for Ulster football. At this time of year we all look for an Ulster team that ultimately can challenge for another ulster all Ireland which we can all share in. We want them to stay in the mix and give us someone to shout for and that team is currently Tyrone.if you are from Ulster it is time to get behind our best hope of challenging the status quo.. Tyrone we are all behind you...
Quote from: rrhf on June 24, 2023, 08:37:31 AM
I think that a Tyrone win would be great for Ulster football. At this time of year we all look for an Ulster team that ultimately can challenge for another ulster all Ireland which we can all share in. We want them to stay in the mix and give us someone to shout for and that team is currently Tyrone.if you are from Ulster it is time to get behind our best hope of challenging the status quo.. Tyrone we are all behind you...
Absolutely!
No consensus on a slate of winners for this weekend which is a very positive outcome for the extended championship.
Donegal Tyrone will be fascinating this evening, the underlying animosity and stage of championship have converged.
When is the last time they played a knockout game?
Quote from: Angus MacGyver on June 24, 2023, 09:13:24 AM
No consensus on a slate of winners for this weekend which is a very positive outcome for the extended championship.
Donegal Tyrone will be fascinating this evening, the underlying animosity and stage of championship have converged.
When is the last time they played a knockout game?
Donegal v Tyrone 2018 round 3 Super 8 game was basically a knock out tie.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 24, 2023, 09:25:10 AM
Quote from: Angus MacGyver on June 24, 2023, 09:13:24 AM
No consensus on a slate of winners for this weekend which is a very positive outcome for the extended championship.
Donegal Tyrone will be fascinating this evening, the underlying animosity and stage of championship have converged.
When is the last time they played a knockout game?
Donegal v Tyrone 2018 round 3 Super 8 game was basically a knock out tie.
Ulster semi final 2021 and first round of Ulster in 2020, both knock out ties in those Covid impacted championships.
Roscommon (given the Cork injuries now)
Monaghan
Tyrone
Mayo (IF Kelly and Comer don't play, Galway otherwise)
Cork v Roscommon
Monaghan v Kildare
Donegal v Tyrone
Galway v Mayo - Draw
Rosaries looking comfortable so far although they'd want a goal. Cork have a bit of work to do!
The hurling folk won. This is almost impossible to watch. A knockout match to qualify for a quarter-final and this is what's served up.
Quote from: Silkyskillssunshinee on June 24, 2023, 02:34:49 PM
The hurling folk won. This is almost impossible to watch. A knockout match to qualify for a quarter-final and this is what's served up.
Was about to post similar, the game is lost its awful stuff. No wonder attendances are down so much and the stadium isn't even half full for last 12 knockout match.
Handpass back and sideways most of the time, barely any contact. Most scores from frees. It's so boring
It must be truly horrible to play against Roscommon.
I've absolute respect for their discipline and control. I really do.
But f**k me, it's anti football.
Terrible stuff to watch
Half time Cork 0-6 Roscommon 0-7. Rossies the better team but have allowed Cork back into the match with the final three scores of the half and the Cork crowd that was fairly muted has found it's voice.
Good end to the half by Cork though
I was thinking yesterday has the shoulder all but been eliminated from the game? Only few years back lads would be busting each other with 50-50 shoulders and other contact regularly, it's nearly totally disappeared from the game unlike in hurling.
I do think referees got strict on it for some reason and it's almost totally gone now, you'd barely see a good shoulder to shoulder in any match now. Just another reason there is less contact and it's more boring.
Then again it's hard to shoulder when teams handpass it around and there's barely any contests to win the ball.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 24, 2023, 02:38:14 PM
It must be truly horrible to play against Roscommon.
I've absolute respect for their discipline and control. I really do.
But f**k me, it's anti football.
They are just a more polished version of the other teams too. Most sides playing the same shite now.
It will be the same crap in the next two matches today too. Donegal were often the worst for it but most others are the same now level now.
If anybody can manage to watch 3 games of gaelic football back to back today then fair play to them. My viewing will start for the last 15 minutes of the next game and then I'll watch the Tyrone v Donegal match this evening. I've better things to be doing than watch 3-4 hours of hand passing and possession ball.
At least there is one useful Micheál in the Martin family.
Id rather Roscommon win because they are a much smaller county and Cork have very poor football support
Lots of soft frees
That was a point.
We're they not to put hawk eye in when redeveloping the stadium?
Hon the Rebels!!
We'll have to play football now.
Quote from: full moon on June 24, 2023, 03:09:29 PM
Id rather Roscommon win because they are a much smaller county and Cork have very poor football support
Ordinarily I'd agree.
But I found myself cheering on Dublin against Roscommon. And I've never cheered on Dublin in anything ever.
Truth is that Roacommon's relentless and extraordinary will to play anti-football is not getting them any closer to winning big games.
Should it do so, we'd be witness to another Jimmy McGuinness-style revolution of shite football.
So come on anyone but Ross.
Give that ref the final. Letting the game go
Quote from: thewobbler on June 24, 2023, 03:14:47 PM
That was a point.
On the replay it seemed over but would need maybe a couple more replays to check
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Quote from: full moon on June 24, 2023, 03:09:29 PM
Id rather Roscommon win because they are a much smaller county and Cork have very poor football support
Ordinarily I'd agree.
But I found myself cheering on Dublin against Roscommon. And I've never cheered on Dublin in anything ever.
Truth is that Roacommon's relentless and extraordinary will to play anti-football is not getting them any closer to winning big games.
Should it do so, we'd be witness to another Jimmy McGuinness-style revolution of shite football.
So come on anyone but Ross.
I don't think it's much worse than Derry or Donegal, although Derry do always knock in goals
Rosie haven't deserved it.
The lad who threw the ball up to himself what's he at? Enda Smith too! 🤦🏼♂️
Ros were a joy to watch for 10 mins with the forward press.
Cork has no clue what to do.
Then Ros succumbed to trying to clock manage the final score.
Idiotic football.
They've a super team. Let them play football ffs.
Idiotic.
Only saw second half
Felt a bit sorry for the Rossies after they came back from four down.
Ref did a good job let them play,
Typical Roscommon. When the business end of the season comes they are not worth a damn.
Quote from: square_ball on June 24, 2023, 03:46:03 PM
Typical Roscommon. When the business end of the season comes they are not worth a damn.
Not a fair statement, they have some excellent footballers and had the balls to come back from four down with 12 minutes to go.
On a side note , just watched John Cleary interview, seems like a genuine likeable sort of Manager.
The only manager that never sounds happy is Jack O'Connor
There should be a 2 week gap after last week's games, a losing team shouldn't have to be out again this week. The argument that they be bck to their clubs earlier, sorta doesn't past mustard as Derry club fball at league fixture 11 out of 13.It only frees up players to disappear to America.
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Quote from: full moon on June 24, 2023, 03:09:29 PM
Id rather Roscommon win because they are a much smaller county and Cork have very poor football support
Ordinarily I'd agree.
But I found myself cheering on Dublin against Roscommon. And I've never cheered on Dublin in anything ever.
Truth is that Roacommon's relentless and extraordinary will to play anti-football is not getting them any closer to winning big games.
Should it do so, we'd be witness to another Jimmy McGuinness-style revolution of shite football.
So come on anyone but Ross.
I don't think it's much worse than Derry or Donegal, although Derry do always knock in goals
Contrary to popular belief Derry do take risks. Keeper regularly scored from play. As do the fullback line. Plenty of ball kicked in to shane and lads not afraid to shoot low percentage shots. I think we get a very bad name
Sorry for the Rossies, great comeback form 5 pts down, obs plenty of spirit there. But their tactics are tedious to watch
Disappointing but well done Cork. Really have hit a rich vein of form. Wasn't a free at end, however. Once the ball hit the ground first, Daly did not commit a technical foul. Ref should know that but seemed influenced by crowd. Ah well. Thank you to team for fine efforts. We are a small county and always do our best. Some as always will be happy to dance on our grave. But We are Ros!
Quote from: befair on June 24, 2023, 04:21:49 PM
Sorry for the Rossies, great comeback form 5 pts down, obs plenty of spirit there. But their tactics are tedious to watch
Would agree, made to many stupid mistakes, poor kickouts & horrible turnovers. Scrappy goal for Cork & an open one missed by us.
Still won 4 from 7 league games, best Mayo, drew with Dublin, lost games by a max of 4 points. Progress made & with Harney, O Rourke & others back next year, will hopefully get much better. Disappointing to lose to 2 division 2 teams, but definitely something to build on for next year. Hopefully we lose our flaky nature & trust our forwards more with a more attractive game plan.
Monaghan not converting good chances.
Ref is brutal
Shouldn't be allowed to referee a junior B game, no disrespect to junior B
Watching endless and unnecessary minutes of handpassing being punished by a breakaway point is now my favourite thing in football.
This ref is like a hurling ref, but in a bad way. He blows his whistle to give teams a break rather than because a a foul was committed.
Did Monaghan kick any ball in during that first half??
I think Armagh would be very happy with Tyrone and Galway wins here, as they can't draw either of them in the quarter final. They would be nicely poised if they were looking at a draw of Cork or the winners of Kildare / Monaghan.
While I don't think they would win a semi final, they would be hard to put away if they made it that far.
On a side note, a Tyrone defeat tonight would be criminal, that's not a good Donegal team and if we have anything left in the tank we need to be winning. A really poor 2 years would be summed up by defeat tonight and bowing out without a whimper again.
That Donegal Team better than you think at Ballybofey, they come on well since the Down game.
Quote from: joemamas on June 24, 2023, 05:13:13 PM
Ref is brutal
Shouldn't be allowed to referee a junior B game, no disrespect to junior B
He's let 3 high tackles by Kildale defenders go. The last one on the number 10 was dangerous
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 24, 2023, 05:37:54 PM
That Donegal Team better than you think at Ballybofey, they come on well since the Down game.
I expect it to be tight due to the Ballybofey factor, but we just need to get over the line given the wider context of this season. Derry were able to pull away from them comfortably enough in the end a few weeks ago. We're not as good as Derry at the minute for sure, but if you want to be competitive in the latter stages you're gonna have to get up to the level Derry have been at, let alone Kerry and Dublin.
Jees lads this ref is brutal
Quote from: joemamas on June 24, 2023, 05:13:13 PM
Ref is brutal
Shouldn't be allowed to referee a junior B game, no disrespect to junior B
He's not started the 2nd half well either.
Cian Ward very good on co-commentary.
I despise the forward mark
Quote from: square_ball on June 24, 2023, 05:51:17 PM
Cian Ward very good on co-commentary.
Cian Ward is a regular on Parkinson's, smaller fish podcast, he is very good.Great knowledge of the club scene too.
Watch this ref get a QF, SF and maybe a final cause he runs a lot and ticks the "boxes"... Clown, and runs like a woman
Yeh, blame the ref....
Blame for what? I support neither of these teams.
You telling me he's doing well??
Kildare the better team, but Monaghan hanging in
Ref is absolutely woeful here
Hard luck to the neighbours. An awful way to go out.
Quote from: Schkite on June 24, 2023, 06:04:07 PM
Ref is absolutely woeful here
watch befair doesn't get offended....
Stream breaking up for anyone
Is GAAgo messing around on anyone else?
It is breaking up for me the past few minutes all right.
How about the result, for people on a budget watching the hurling lol
Referee having a tough time in this game Monaghan will feel very hard done by . That said they've been poor today
Way too many soft frees, frees being given for shoulders even. No wonder the game is so negative when tackling or contact isn't allowed.
2 fairly average sides.
Every QF team be praying they get Monaghan or Cork.
Fair play Monaghan they've had clutch moments this season against better opposition so no surprise they can win it at the death... they were poor enough though and Kildare had chances to win it.
Referee shouldn't be allowed near another Inter County game!!
Well done monaghan.
Darren Hughes must drove a Ford Ranger or the like, has to.
Fine margins the two games today, won in injury time. More of the same in the Tyrone v Donegal and Galway v Mayo games?
Jaysus until the last ten minutes that game was worse than tooth extraction with no anaesthetic enhanced by the worse display by a ref that I can remember at senior level. But what a winning point!! ;D
Drinking in MacKenna's tears!! 😂😂
Monaghan deserved it to me, Kildare were just too negative. Referee had a poor game, I think he done Monaghan harder so don't think Kildare can have too many complaints.
Kildare counter attacked well and Monaghan cheaply gave away ball, but again hard to be too sorry for Kildare they have 15 players in their own 45 for large parts of the match.
What's the story with the Monaghan winner? A mark called, not given and played on taking steps.
Holy Jaysus I can't believe we won that game, we were brutal for the majority of it, well below what we're capable of. Even when playing with the wind at our backs, we didn't act like it til near the end. Had to do a double take when I noticed we were only a point down with 15 mins to go, certainly felt different watching the game.
Kildare didn't take their goal chances and we took one, and that's what was critical in the end.
I can see Kildare having alot to say about the ref now, as we would have if we were on the wrong end of the result. Point is that he was simply shite all round, and that performance should be looked at very closely the next time he's lined up to ref a big championship game.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on June 24, 2023, 06:27:14 PM
What's the story with the Monaghan winner? A mark called, not given and played on taking steps.
Was wondering about that. Everyone stopped for a second, then he kept going.
Might be perfectly legal for all I know. Just didn't look right!
Play the whistle I guess.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on June 24, 2023, 06:27:14 PM
What's the story with the Monaghan winner? A mark called, not given and played on taking steps.
Steps?? :D. in the end the ref repeatedly came good for Monaghan.
Looks like might be a decent crowd in Ballybofey. Stand full with half an hour till throw in.
Congrats Monaghan
Happy for Darren Hughes and Conor McManus, although the latter never got into the game.
If either of them call it quits then at least it will be leaving Croke Park.
Monaghan V Armagh, that would be a battle.
Did he not walk a bit. Then run, slip and go again?
Just looked v odd. Ah Kildare giving out about the ref but Monaghan suffered that ref too.
The "mark" was very odd alright, part of it was weak refereeing but the Kildare defenders should have been tighter as it was never called. In such a close game at the death, you take no chances
If Donegal win, Derrys options on opposition in the quarters become very limited.
Quote from: J70 on June 24, 2023, 06:31:51 PM
Looks like might be a decent crowd in Ballybofey. Stand full with half an hour till throw in.
I have a feeling that Donegal pulled the short straw when beating Monaghan.
Picture out of sync with sound on GAA Go again for Donegal Tyrone??
Quote from: full moon on June 24, 2023, 06:49:12 PM
Picture out of sync with sound on GAA Go again for Donegal Tyrone??
It's okay on my tv, maybe out by a few milliseconds
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Quote from: J70 on June 24, 2023, 06:31:51 PM
Looks like might be a decent crowd in Ballybofey. Stand full with half an hour till throw in.
I have a feeling that Donegal pulled the short straw when beating Monaghan.
Probably, but them's the breaks.
I'd fancy us if a few of our missing lads were available, but as it is our bench is starting and we've little to draw on later in the game.
Its out on mine.
FFS Patton
Could be a very long evening for Donegal.
5pts in it already
Patton awful for that goal.
I was wondering what was meant by the term "going aggressive on the kick outs", it's just a normal old fashioned kick out, now apparently regarded as an act of aggression.
Does McKernan look for his man to get red carded at every opportunity?
Wonderful player but such cheating antics.
Tyrone the better team here by a good bit just need to see how they manage against the breeze.
Morgan's some clown!
Our best performance of year so far. Big Kennedy and McKernan playing well.
Fairly comfortable for Tyrone so far. Though we've been here before in the Monaghan match.
Quote from: screenexile on June 24, 2023, 07:39:03 PM
Morgan's some clown!
TBF, his kicking has been pretty faultless.
Tyrone killing us on the kick outs. They're also getting up the field a lot quicker than us, meaning they've had a few handy scores. We're carrying the ball into contact while the likes of Bsn Gallagher and O'Baoil are being stopped from making runs. Ultimately, Patton's dropping of an easy ball is the difference though.
Need the likes of Thompson, McBrearty and Gallen to start hitting a few long range ones in the second half, but I think Tyrone will still find room on the fast break to keep things ticking over.
Quote from: screenexile on June 24, 2023, 07:39:03 PM
Morgan's some clown!
He has one more Celtic Cross than any one of your lads, some clown indeed.
For all his individual brilliance Darragh is a greedy bollix.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 24, 2023, 07:46:18 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 24, 2023, 07:39:03 PM
Morgan's some clown!
He has one more Celtic Cross than any one of your lads, some clown indeed.
Wouldn't swap him for anyone tbh. Just hope that doesn't put the scud on him.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 24, 2023, 07:46:18 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 24, 2023, 07:39:03 PM
Morgan's some clown!
He has one more Celtic Cross than any one of your lads, some clown indeed.
😂😂😂
He is a talented keeper but is always prone to do something ridiculous as demonstrated by throwing his knees into a Donegal players back and completely missing the ball!
Seems a very strong wind, can Donegal take advantage? Unlikely with the ingrained short passing game, Tyrone should be further ahead, but would you want the house on them in the 2nd half?
Need to just hit Dazzler and Darragh with the ball more.
Quote from: red hander on June 24, 2023, 07:52:07 PM
Need to just hit Dazzler and Darragh with the ball more.
Going to be harder to do now against the wind. I just hope we don't just sit back to protect the lead. Good start to the half is important.
Hard to see where Donegal get back into this.
Quote from: screenexile on June 24, 2023, 08:05:49 PM
Hard to see where Donegal get back into this.
Yep. We're constantly carrying it into contact and getting the ball stripped and turned over.
Quote from: screenexile on June 24, 2023, 08:05:49 PM
Hard to see where Donegal get back into this.
They'll need to hit the net a few times to win this.
Quote from: Estimator on June 24, 2023, 07:48:00 PM
For all his individual brilliance Darragh is a greedy bollix.
He can be a greedy bollix all he likes with scores like that.
The oul apple doesn't fall too far from the tree.
Tyrone could be coming good at the right time. Hard to know though against Donegal who are not in a good way.
You'd have thought AOR would have coached some long ball stuff, Donegal going out with a whimper at this stage. Tyrone playing very well tbf.
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 24, 2023, 08:11:55 PM
Tyrone could be coming good at the right time. Hard to know though against Donegal who are not in a good way.
This could end up 15 points. Donegal look done. Nothing on the bench either.
Hard luck to the neighbours. An awful way to go out.
Tyrone getting sloppy.
What was that free for?
Quote from: J70 on June 24, 2023, 08:23:42 PM
What was that free for?
Conor Lane is an enigma.
So many wides for Tyrone.
Gaago gone awol, I suppose the game's already done and dusted.
Only the 17 steps there 😂😂
Brilliant Kilpatrick
Meyler is lucky that was only yellow
Stupid "tackle" in the circumstances
Quote from: J70 on June 24, 2023, 08:33:31 PM
Meyler is lucky that was only yellow
Very. Stupid action when game is over.
Shame to see Donegal go out with a bit of a whimper at home, considering they'd built up a bit of form over the last couple games. I'd thought they had a very good shot here.
Madness by Patton.
f**k me can they get the ambulance for McKernan there? He was hardly touched worse than Ronaldo!
Bring on Derry to f*ck. Take the little brother down a peg. Looking forward to Croker where the cream rises.
Is it more or less than 15 minutes of the 2nd half with a tyrone player on the grass in simulated agony?
Patton - dumb.
McKernan - get up ya fuckin eejit
Quote from: screenexile on June 24, 2023, 08:38:22 PM
f**k me can they get the ambulance for McKernan there? He was hardly touched worse than Ronaldo!
If you strike, you go. No excuses.
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 24, 2023, 08:39:46 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 24, 2023, 08:38:22 PM
f**k me can they get the ambulance for McKernan there? He was hardly touched worse than Ronaldo!
If you strike, you go. No excuses.
He wasn't talking about Patton
So clearly it's gonna be Derry v Tyrone in the quarters, yeah?
Patton was stupid - no surprise in the red card there.
But Meyler's clash with McCole should have had the same outcome.
Guaranteed Derry v Tyrone next week
Quote from: Schkite on June 24, 2023, 08:41:13 PM
So clearly it's gonna be Derry v Tyrone in the quarters, yeah?
Wishful thinking just Schkitey boy
Apart from the wides, happy with that performance by the lads.
Quote from: J70 on June 24, 2023, 08:40:48 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 24, 2023, 08:39:46 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 24, 2023, 08:38:22 PM
f**k me can they get the ambulance for McKernan there? He was hardly touched worse than Ronaldo!
If you strike, you go. No excuses.
He wasn't talking about Patton
Same boy always at that play acting from start to finish.
Tyrone far too good- dunno why people thought Donegal would win. If Tyrone get Derry they'll beat them.
Quote from: ClubScene13 on June 24, 2023, 08:42:13 PM
Quote from: Schkite on June 24, 2023, 08:41:13 PM
So clearly it's gonna be Derry v Tyrone in the quarters, yeah?
Wishful thinking just Schkitey boy
Cut out the personal juvenile crap.
Patton apart from his kickout is a complete liability for Donegal.
Good performance by Tyrone. Kerry/Dublin/Derry would bite your hand off for anyone but Tyrone in the draw. Not saying we will beat them but I think we're building nicely.
This is goin to be soooo funny putting Derry out of the championship. LMFAO
Went to Tullamore with my Monaghan cousin. He's quite possibly the most biased person you could sit beside at a match but he had a point today. The ref was awful. Hosed Monaghan in the 1st half. Didn't give frees for obvious fouls and then gave petty frees for very little. Kildare were moaning at the end but i honestly dont know why. They had a free in from the 45 (again very soft) near the end but the taker clearly fouled the ball so a throw up was the right call there. A monghan player called for a mark in the last play but he didnt give so its just play on. Kildares own fault for stopping. He even gave Kildare a point that looked wide from my seat but that's more on the umpire i suppose. Kildare fans will disagree on my analysis but one thing I think everyone will agree with is that this ref isn't up to this level. The match itself was dire. Kildare often had 14 or even 15 in their own 45. The tactic was to draw Monaghan, turn them over and break at speed. It nearly worked. Monaghan played into their hands by constantly carrying the ball into contact and then getting turned over.
On a brighter note the minor game was really enjoyable. 2 teams trying to play the game properly
Quote from: WT4E on June 24, 2023, 08:46:26 PM
This is goin to be soooo funny putting Derry out of the championship. LMFAO
Bring it on.
Happy with that. Tyrone got the tails up with the early goal and looked strong in attack. A team with the two Canavans, mattie and McCurry will cause any team problems, and that's leaving out the MotM Meyler.
Defence looked better, midfield was very good imo. Not sure how much we've improved as Donegal didn't look in the game from the start. Good game to build momentum and you never know.
Wise up you loser.
Lol
Quote from: Schkite on June 24, 2023, 08:37:14 PM
Shame to see Donegal go out with a bit of a whimper at home, considering they'd built up a bit of form over the last couple games. I'd thought they had a very good shot here.
Tyrone had 12 of their AI winning line up from two years ago in the team against a patched up Donegal. Tyrone were always going to win if they were up for it. And even if we were at what is now full strength for us, their ceiling is probably a bit higher than ours.
Quote from: straightred on June 24, 2023, 08:46:34 PM
Went to Tullamore with my Monaghan cousin. He's quite possibly the most biased person you could sit beside at a match but he had a point today. The ref was awful. Hosed Monaghan in the 1st half. Didn't give frees for obvious fouls and then gave petty frees for very little. Kildare were moaning at the end but i honestly dont know why. They had a free in from the 45 (again very soft) near the end but the taker clearly fouled the ball so a throw up was the right call there. A monghan player called for a mark in the last play but he didnt give so its just play on. Kildares own fault for stopping. He even gave Kildare a point that looked wide from my seat but that's more on the umpire i suppose. Kildare fans will disagree on my analysis but one thing I think everyone will agree with is that this ref isn't up to this level. The match itself was dire. Kildare often had 14 or even 15 in their own 45. The tactic was to draw Monaghan, turn them over and break at speed. It nearly worked. Monaghan played into their hands by constantly carrying the ball into contact and then getting turned over.
On a brighter note the minor game was really enjoyable. 2 teams trying to play the game properly
Watched the game. You aren't being paranoid. The ref was a f**king clown, and the commentators were very critical.
Quote from: ClubScene13 on June 24, 2023, 08:42:13 PM
Quote from: Schkite on June 24, 2023, 08:41:13 PM
So clearly it's gonna be Derry v Tyrone in the quarters, yeah?
Wishful thinking just Schkitey boy
;D Wishful thinking how exactly, has no effect on me whoever these 2 teams are drawn to play. It just seems like a typical fixture to come up
It's all sitting nicely for Dublin to win it once again. Draw is big on Monday. I don't imagine Monaghan or Cork putting it up to them. The week off will likely help the teams already through.
Dublin Mayo and Kerry Tyrone would be most interesting draw!
Quote from: straightred on June 24, 2023, 08:46:34 PM
Went to Tullamore with my Monaghan cousin. He's quite possibly the most biased person you could sit beside at a match but he had a point today. The ref was awful. Hosed Monaghan in the 1st half. Didn't give frees for obvious fouls and then gave petty frees for very little. Kildare were moaning at the end but i honestly dont know why. They had a free in from the 45 (again very soft) near the end but the taker clearly fouled the ball so a throw up was the right call there. A monghan player called for a mark in the last play but he didnt give so its just play on. Kildares own fault for stopping. He even gave Kildare a point that looked wide from my seat but that's more on the umpire i suppose. Kildare fans will disagree on my analysis but one thing I think everyone will agree with is that this ref isn't up to this level. The match itself was dire. Kildare often had 14 or even 15 in their own 45. The tactic was to draw Monaghan, turn them over and break at speed. It nearly worked. Monaghan played into their hands by constantly carrying the ball into contact and then getting turned over.
On a brighter note the minor game was really enjoyable. 2 teams trying to play the game properly
The ref was f**king atrocious all round. Like I said earlier, whoever came out on the losing side would be giving out about the ref. I thought we just about got the worst of it, though that could just be my blinkered view - but the truth is he gave bad calls on both sides. Just some bizarre officiating. What Kildare should be looking at is their inability to kill off a game. If they'd taken one of those goal chances that would probably have been it, considering how poor we were today. But they let us hang on long enough to be able to get the late scores to get us over the line.
Interesting to hear about a Kildare point maybe being wide, was told that by another lad who was at the game. Wasn't something that came across on the TV or was even mentioned (as far as I remember)
Interesting that in probably the fairest All Ireland system we've ever had there are 4 Ulster teams out of 8 in it!!
Thoroughly enjoyed the 15 mins of completely shithousery at the end of that. What the Donegal boys were doing initiating it at times when they were down by 7 I'll never know. McMenamin is some fecking eejit for getting involved.
Meyler - absolutely should have walked for that. Utter stupidity and lucky it's not going to cost them next time out.
Patton - even bigger eejit. Dunno how he thought he'd get away with that.
McKernan - didn't need to roll around like that. Lads defending that is a bit like the Armagh lads last week suggesting criticising Forker was unfair. Earlier on he made sure to stay on the ground getting his medical attention until ref had given out the yellow card and then bounced up immediately. EBG was clearly chatting to him about it after. Was he fouled on both occasions? Absolutely. Does his reputation precede him? Absolutely. Sooner or later there'll be a boy who cried wolf moment that'll cost Tyrone.
I think you can say that both Patton was an eejit for doing it and McKernan was an eejit for his reaction.
Quote from: screenexile on June 24, 2023, 09:22:02 PM
Interesting that in probably the fairest All Ireland system we've ever had there are 4 Ulster teams out of 8 in it!!
Careful. You'll be winding up Kerry people with their Kingdom bullshit.
Quote from: square_ball on June 24, 2023, 09:34:26 PM
I think you can say that both Patton was an eejit for doing it and McKernan was an eejit for his reaction.
Given the stage of the game, and where he should have been, I'd be asking McKernan wtf he was at being in there in the first place.
Quote from: Schkite on June 24, 2023, 09:09:57 PM
Quote from: straightred on June 24, 2023, 08:46:34 PM
Went to Tullamore with my Monaghan cousin. He's quite possibly the most biased person you could sit beside at a match but he had a point today. The ref was awful. Hosed Monaghan in the 1st half. Didn't give frees for obvious fouls and then gave petty frees for very little. Kildare were moaning at the end but i honestly dont know why. They had a free in from the 45 (again very soft) near the end but the taker clearly fouled the ball so a throw up was the right call there. A monghan player called for a mark in the last play but he didnt give so its just play on. Kildares own fault for stopping. He even gave Kildare a point that looked wide from my seat but that's more on the umpire i suppose. Kildare fans will disagree on my analysis but one thing I think everyone will agree with is that this ref isn't up to this level. The match itself was dire. Kildare often had 14 or even 15 in their own 45. The tactic was to draw Monaghan, turn them over and break at speed. It nearly worked. Monaghan played into their hands by constantly carrying the ball into contact and then getting turned over.
On a brighter note the minor game was really enjoyable. 2 teams trying to play the game properly
The ref was f**king atrocious all round. Like I said earlier, whoever came out on the losing side would be giving out about the ref. I thought we just about got the worst of it, though that could just be my blinkered view - but the truth is he gave bad calls on both sides. Just some bizarre officiating. What Kildare should be looking at is their inability to kill off a game. If they'd taken one of those goal chances that would probably have been it, considering how poor we were today. But they let us hang on long enough to be able to get the late scores to get us over the line.
Interesting to hear about a Kildare point maybe being wide, was told that by another lad who was at the game. Wasn't something that came across on the TV or was even mentioned (as far as I remember)
Monaghan got the worst of it for the first 50 mins, case in point Ryan O'Toole being penalised for a dispossession, but Monaghan got most of the ref's gifts in the last 10 mins. Apart from the ref, Kildare shot themselves in the foot or just hadn't the wherewithal to do anything effective apart from a successful counterattack at speed, once they were stopped in their tracks they invariably lost the ball.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 24, 2023, 09:38:43 PM
Quote from: square_ball on June 24, 2023, 09:34:26 PM
I think you can say that both Patton was an eejit for doing it and McKernan was an eejit for his reaction.
Given the stage of the game, and where he should have been, I'd be asking McKernan wtf he was at being in there in the first place.
Yeah that's a fair point. 7/8 up and there was no need to be acting the bollix there anyway.
Was O'Toole's tackle not a rip? ( I can't remember if it was his but there was one given where the ball was ripped from the attackers hand)
Although it rarely seems to be given my understanding was always that you can't rip a ball from someone's hands you have to knock it out with an open hand.
I don't know what's worse. Where should he have been? And someone actually agreeing with you.
Beat Derry, wouldn't think it, Tyrone nearly got put out by Westmeath last week. More worried about coming out the wrong side of the Galway / Mayo draw. Rather have Mayo win, we normally play well against them, but always been poor against Galway. Suppose most people be looking Monaghan or Cork. Still Dublins to lose.
Quote from: gallsman on June 24, 2023, 09:22:30 PM
Thoroughly enjoyed the 15 mins of completely shithousery at the end of that. What the Donegal boys were doing initiating it at times when they were down by 7 I'll never know. McMenamin is some fecking eejit for getting involved.
Meyler - absolutely should have walked for that. Utter stupidity and lucky it's not going to cost them next time out.
Patton - even bigger eejit. Dunno how he thought he'd get away with that.
McKernan - didn't need to roll around like that. Lads defending that is a bit like the Armagh lads last week suggesting criticising Forker was unfair. Earlier on he made sure to stay on the ground getting his medical attention until ref had given out the yellow card and then bounced up immediately. EBG was clearly chatting to him about it after. Was he fouled on both occasions? Absolutely. Does his reputation precede him? Absolutely. Sooner or later there'll be a boy who cried wolf moment that'll cost Tyrone.
Good luck tomorrow in the Tailteann I think there's another thread for that
3 games this year, the ball been ripped out of a players hands. It's a few as far as I kniw but not seen 1 given this year.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 24, 2023, 09:57:53 PM
Beat Derry, wouldn't think it, Tyrone nearly got out out by Westmeath last week. More worried about coming out the wrong side of the Galway / Mayo draw. Rather have Mayo win, we normally play well against them, but always been poor against Galway. Suppose most people be looking Kildare or Cork. Still Dublins to lose.
Kildare are out
Quote from: reddgnhand on June 24, 2023, 09:56:00 PM
I don't know what's worse. Where should he have been? And someone actually agreeing with you.
I'll let you ponder that for a while.
Yip, meant Monaghan
No way we can rig the draw for all Ulster semi finals lol
I'd be happy enough to avoid Galway/Mayo. Wouldn't fear Tyrone or Cork to be honest. Cork are going better but they're still not great and I think we match up very well against Tyrone as we proved last year and Tyrone haven't looked great this year with only 2 wins against 14 man Armagh Armagh and a fairly toothless Donegal.
The draw will be interesting with potential for 2 all Ulster clashes although hopefully that isn't the case. I'd imagine whoever has the chance to would rather play Monaghan or Cork.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 24, 2023, 10:03:41 PM
Quote from: reddgnhand on June 24, 2023, 09:56:00 PM
I don't know what's worse. Where should he have been? And someone actually agreeing with you.
I'll let you ponder that for a while.
I give up. Where should he have been?
Quote from: screenexile on June 24, 2023, 09:46:07 PM
Was O'Toole's tackle not a rip? ( I can't remember if it was his but there was one given where the ball was ripped from the attackers hand)
Although it rarely seems to be given my understanding was always that you can't rip a ball from someone's hands you have to knock it out with an open hand.
If ripping is the word,
Ryan O'Toole ripped it from a Kildare defender, was deemed a foul , later on Conor Boyle had the ball ripped from him straight after Kildare's successful crossbar challenge - no foul, in the later game two Tyrone players disposed (ripping the ball from) a Donegal player, no foul.
Quote from: screenexile on June 24, 2023, 10:14:52 PM
I'd be happy enough to avoid Galway/Mayo. Wouldn't fear Tyrone or Cork to be honest. Cork are going better but they're still not great and I think we match up very well against Tyrone as we proved last year and Tyrone haven't looked great this year with only 2 wins against 14 man Armagh Armagh and a fairly toothless Donegal.
The draw will be interesting with potential for 2 all Ulster clashes although hopefully that isn't the case. I'd imagine whoever has the chance to would rather play Monaghan or Cork.
With 4 Ulster teams involved there is scope for an all Ulster semi or even two all Ulster semis. If Galway win then they cannot play Armagh and so there is a two third chance of them playing Kerry or Dublin. Armagh have a reasonable chance against Monaghan or Cork and Derry likewise against Tyrone or Cork. A Mayo that could beat Galway would be dangerous, although they might have injuries from the battle.
Yes, but pulling a ball out of a players hands is a foul, always has been, so what changed this year? Too many different refs are not blowing a free.
Quote from: reddgnhand on June 24, 2023, 10:20:34 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 24, 2023, 10:03:41 PM
Quote from: reddgnhand on June 24, 2023, 09:56:00 PM
I don't know what's worse. Where should he have been? And someone actually agreeing with you.
I'll let you ponder that for a while.
I give up. Where should he have been?
That's a pity.
Think Mayo win the mor, Comer can't be fit, Kelly little chance of starting and Walsh playing pure dung since moving to the city big boys. So where that leave things draw wise. Been drawing early would actually be a benefit, cause rematches can actually happen if you get drawn late on and only maybe 2 teams are left who previously played each other. ( Says rematches are avoided where possible).
Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 24, 2023, 10:26:56 PM
Quote from: reddgnhand on June 24, 2023, 10:20:34 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 24, 2023, 10:03:41 PM
Quote from: reddgnhand on June 24, 2023, 09:56:00 PM
I don't know what's worse. Where should he have been? And someone actually agreeing with you.
I'll let you ponder that for a while.
I give up. Where should he have been?
That's a pity.
Enlighten me where should he have been?
The standard of refereeing this year has been very poor.
Me, personally would have expected our corner back to be making an attempt to get back into his own half when we are winning by 5 or 6 points going into the final minutes of a knock out game. Ideally would have liked him to be picking up his man. I wouldn't expect him to be in attempting sh!thousery with the Donegal keeper.
If Mayo win tomorrow then Kerry can only get Tyrone or Monaghan.
Dublin can get anyone
Armagh can't get Tyrone or Galway if they win
Derry can't get Monaghan
Quote from: armaghniac on June 24, 2023, 10:25:34 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 24, 2023, 10:14:52 PM
I'd be happy enough to avoid Galway/Mayo. Wouldn't fear Tyrone or Cork to be honest. Cork are going better but they're still not great and I think we match up very well against Tyrone as we proved last year and Tyrone haven't looked great this year with only 2 wins against 14 man Armagh Armagh and a fairly toothless Donegal.
The draw will be interesting with potential for 2 all Ulster clashes although hopefully that isn't the case. I'd imagine whoever has the chance to would rather play Monaghan or Cork.
With 4 Ulster teams involved there is scope for an all Ulster semi or even two all Ulster semis. If Galway win then they cannot play Armagh and so there is a two third chance of them playing Kerry or Dublin. Armagh have a reasonable chance against Monaghan or Cork and Derry likewise against Tyrone or Cork. A Mayo that could beat Galway would be dangerous, although they might have injuries from the battle.
The draw will be fixed so at least 3 Ulster teams lose. Dubs ,Kerry and G/M get one each .
https://youtu.be/S8kPqAV_74M
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 24, 2023, 10:26:32 PM
Yes, but pulling a ball out of a players hands is a foul, always has been, so what changed this year? Too many different refs are not blowing a free.
The technical term is wresting the ball from an opponent, this ref thought it okay if the ball was wrested away and hit the deck but not okay if wrested away straight into the tackler's hands. No consistency with the same ref
In the Donegal Tyrone game, two Tyrone players wrested the ball away from a Donegal player straight into Tyrone hands, no foul, that's the practiced refereeing norm re the interpretation of a dispossession.
Quote from: Main Street on June 24, 2023, 10:55:18 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 24, 2023, 10:26:32 PM
Yes, but pulling a ball out of a players hands is a foul, always has been, so what changed this year? Too many different refs are not blowing a free.
The technical term is wresting the ball from an opponent, this ref thought it okay if the ball was wrested away and hit the deck but not okay if wrested away straight into the tackler's hands. No consistency with the same ref
In the Donegal Tyrone game, two Tyrone players wrested the ball away from a Donegal player straight into Tyrone hands, no foul, that's the practiced refereeing norm re the interpretation of a dispossession.
You're 100% right there seems to be a very different interpretation of this rule depending on who's refereeing!
And it's definitely a free!
Quote from: screenexile on June 24, 2023, 11:00:53 PM
Quote from: Main Street on June 24, 2023, 10:55:18 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 24, 2023, 10:26:32 PM
Yes, but pulling a ball out of a players hands is a foul, always has been, so what changed this year? Too many different refs are not blowing a free.
The technical term is wresting the ball from an opponent, this ref thought it okay if the ball was wrested away and hit the deck but not okay if wrested away straight into the tackler's hands. No consistency with the same ref
In the Donegal Tyrone game, two Tyrone players wrested the ball away from a Donegal player straight into Tyrone hands, no foul, that's the practiced refereeing norm re the interpretation of a dispossession.
You're 100% right there seems to be a very different interpretation of this rule depending on who's refereeing!
And it's definitely a free!
The interpretation differs with not just who is refereeing but with the same ref.
And the refereeing standard in most cases is, it's okay to wrest /dispossess an opponent.
There is no definition in the rule book of what is a legal dispossession and what is an illegal wrest.
For years you can't pull a ball out of someones hand, that has alway been a free, you can use your open hand to try knock the ball out. Who says now this is not a free. Otherwise every game just gonna be a tackle to try pull a ball out of a players hand, where's the skill there,
Watched the 1st half of the Cork v Roscommon game. How Rowcommon lost that game, they dominated the first half.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 25, 2023, 01:17:23 AM
Watched the 1st half of the Cork v Roscommon game. How Rowcommon lost that game, they dominated the first half.
Lost their composure and allowing Cork to be just one point behind at half time was a big moment in the game which included the big home Cork following finding their voice.
Credit to Cork on the pressure and ability to turnover the ball so often but the error prone and poor decision making by the rossies helped.
Debatable call on Conor Daly before the match winner and that stage Roscommon scored 5 points in a row and looked more likely to grab the winner themselves.
Once behind, Roscommon played some good stuff. They should consider playing like that even when not behind.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on June 25, 2023, 02:20:55 AM
Once behind, Roscommon played some good stuff. They should consider playing like that even when not behind.
Did that in other years under different managers and resulted in high scoring contests against teams around their own level but would get hammered by any top 6 team as were too open defensively.
Year two under Davy Burke will likely be looking to strike the balance between attack and defence.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 25, 2023, 01:59:41 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 25, 2023, 01:17:23 AM
Watched the 1st half of the Cork v Roscommon game. How Rowcommon lost that game, they dominated the first half.
Lost their composure and allowing Cork to be just one point behind at half time was a big moment in the game which included the big home Cork following finding their voice.
Credit to Cork on the pressure and ability to turnover the ball so often but the error prone and poor decision making by the rossies helped.
Debatable call on Conor Daly before the match winner and that stage Roscommon scored 5 points in a row and looked more likely to grab the winner themselves.
Debatable my Bollax. IT was totally a wrong call , in real time I thought he must have bounced it twice (2nd bounce he hesitated was going to kick changed his mind and let the ball bounce clearly legal . When I looked back on the replay there was only one bounce , I don't know whatv the ref saw ,He May have reacted to the crowd . An terrible call from the ROSSIE point of view that basically decided the game.
A preliminary look at the actual predictions show the following 5 posters got all 3 correct on Saturday:
larryin89
Pub Bore
statto
Blowitupref
Angus McGyver
Of the 5, statto is the only one with Galway on Sunday.
Game management is going to be a focus for the Rossies over the winter. Rome wasn't built in a day. Very disappointing result but Davy Burke has built a decent foundation.
Quote from: fearbrags on June 25, 2023, 02:49:26 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 25, 2023, 01:59:41 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 25, 2023, 01:17:23 AM
Watched the 1st half of the Cork v Roscommon game. How Rowcommon lost that game, they dominated the first half.
Lost their composure and allowing Cork to be just one point behind at half time was a big moment in the game which included the big home Cork following finding their voice.
Credit to Cork on the pressure and ability to turnover the ball so often but the error prone and poor decision making by the rossies helped.
Debatable call on Conor Daly before the match winner and that stage Roscommon scored 5 points in a row and looked more likely to grab the winner themselves.
Debatable my Bollax. IT was totally a wrong call , in real time I thought he must have bounced it twice (2nd bounce he hesitated was going to kick changed his mind and let the ball bounce clearly legal . When I looked back on the replay there was only one bounce , I don't know whatv the ref saw ,He May have reacted to the crowd . An terrible call from the ROSSIE point of view that basically decided the game.
Absolutely 100% wrong now that I've seen video of it.
Terrible decision.
Quote from: seafoid on June 25, 2023, 07:49:06 AM
Game management is going to be a focus for the Rossies over the winter. Rome wasn't built in a day. Very disappointing result but Davy Burke has built a decent foundation.
Too much focus on game management ruined Ros yesterday.
They'd be better focused on trying to build up big leads when they have an opponent on the ropes.
They have been away from the right level for quite a while. They fixed their D1 problem. They will have to work on championship persistency.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 25, 2023, 08:35:02 AM
Quote from: fearbrags on June 25, 2023, 02:49:26 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 25, 2023, 01:59:41 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 25, 2023, 01:17:23 AM
Watched the 1st half of the Cork v Roscommon game. How Rowcommon lost that game, they dominated the first half.
Lost their composure and allowing Cork to be just one point behind at half time was a big moment in the game which included the big home Cork following finding their voice.
Credit to Cork on the pressure and ability to turnover the ball so often but the error prone and poor decision making by the rossies helped.
Debatable call on Conor Daly before the match winner and that stage Roscommon scored 5 points in a row and looked more likely to grab the winner themselves.
Debatable my Bollax. IT was totally a wrong call , in real time I thought he must have bounced it twice (2nd bounce he hesitated was going to kick changed his mind and let the ball bounce clearly legal . When I looked back on the replay there was only one bounce , I don't know whatv the ref saw ,He May have reacted to the crowd . An terrible call from the ROSSIE point of view that basically decided the game.
Absolutely 100% wrong now that I've seen video of it.
Terrible decision.
He threw the ball up in the air - you are not allowed to throw the ball in Gaelic football. It was telling that there was little objection from any Roscommon players. It was a strange one but can't blame the ref for that one. He made some poor calls for both teams throughout the game and didn't give Cork much overall I thought.
Not taking goal chances and pushing on when ye had Cork under pressure is why the game was lost, not the ref. Thought the better team won overall and I had predicted a Rossie win but Cork could have been out of sight after an hour if they took their chances.
100% correct call on Conor Daly. Throw ball. There would have been no objection had it happened in the first minute. Rules apply for the 70+ minutes.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/06/24/endgame-frailties-a-source-of-real-concern-for-mayo/
Mayo's most pressing issue has been their tendency to fade out of games in the latter stages.
https://youtu.be/LCJblaUkkfc
Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 24, 2023, 10:42:23 PM
Me, personally would have expected our corner back to be making an attempt to get back into his own half when we are winning by 5 or 6 points going into the final minutes of a knock out game. Ideally would have liked him to be picking up his man. I wouldn't expect him to be in attempting sh!thousery with the Donegal keeper.
Scored a couple of points up there yesterday. Dooher & Logan have to rip him a new one this week about being up there.
Folks he done a great job yesterday. Maybe someone was filling in behind him, picking up his man and mckernan fancied a run. Defenders don't defend 24/7
Quote from: An Watcher on June 25, 2023, 11:58:30 AM
Folks he done a great job yesterday. Maybe someone was filling in behind him, picking up his man and mckernan fancied a run. Defenders don't defend 24/7
Very consistent player since he came into the team. Galway / Mayo a coin flip here I would tentatively go for Galway but this is a true 50/50
Proper championship, lose and you're gone
Mayo's problem is the last 10 minutes
If that what you want, why didn't we stay with the format for the covid yrs, straight knockout
Because very few wanted it.
Quote from: reddgnhand on June 25, 2023, 11:56:47 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 24, 2023, 10:42:23 PM
Me, personally would have expected our corner back to be making an attempt to get back into his own half when we are winning by 5 or 6 points going into the final minutes of a knock out game. Ideally would have liked him to be picking up his man. I wouldn't expect him to be in attempting sh!thousery with the Donegal keeper.
Scored a couple of points up there yesterday. Dooher & Logan have to rip him a new one this week about being up there.
I don't have time to explain the difference in joining an attack and acting the maggot after the ball has gone dead. We'll agree to differ and leave it at that.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on June 25, 2023, 10:00:13 AM
He threw the ball up in the air - you are not allowed to throw the ball in Gaelic football.
Not allowed to catch or gather a ball thrown in the air but the ball bounced off the ground making it a debatable decision.
And then there are "handpasses" which dont comply with the striking rule but are never pulled up!
Watched the kildare monaghan game again. Jaysis the referee played with Kildare for most of that game.
The Conor Daly throwing the ball in the air, was a classic hometown decision, where the referee was influenced by the large home support. Cork were very fortunate to win that game. We lost the game in the last 4 minutes played before half time. We were in total control. Hopefully we can learn & be better next year, 7 months away.
Quote from: Angus MacGyver on June 25, 2023, 10:22:22 PM
Watched the kildare monaghan game again. Jaysis the referee played with Kildare for most of that game.
Dunno about that. He gave Monaghan two of the handiest scorable frees you'd ever see in the first half.
I don't understand the confusion on the Roscommon player fouling the ball. You are not allowed to throw the ball in football
QuoteRULE 4 - TECHNICAL FOULS
4.1 To overcarry or overhold the ball.
4.2 (a) To throw the ball.
(b) To handpass the ball without:
(i) It being Fisted
or
(ii) It being struck with an open hand with a
definite underhand striking action.
https://www.gaa.ie/api/pdfs/image/upload/vxpgnvzwyiogaylcqubh.pdf (https://www.gaa.ie/api/pdfs/image/upload/vxpgnvzwyiogaylcqubh.pdf)
I've seen people on Twitter saying you throw the ball downwards to hop it. You don't. If you were allowed to throw it up for a bounce, what would stop you throwing it over a players head and running past him, like a quick lineout in rugby.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 25, 2023, 10:18:20 PM
And then there are "handpasses" which dont comply with the striking rule but are never pulled up!
There was an article in the Irish Times about TMOs in the GAA. It's all about cameras. You need to see issues from as many angles as possible.
RTÉ have 6 cameras I think in CP .
The URC final had 17. The Champions League had 32.
These are moneybags sports.
You are never going to have 32 cameras in Páirc Shéain Mhic Diarmada in lovely Leitrim or Clones or anywhere else. So the handpasses are let slide.
https://youtu.be/Gxd23UVID7k
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2023, 04:49:32 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 25, 2023, 10:18:20 PM
And then there are "handpasses" which dont comply with the striking rule but are never pulled up!
There was an article in the Irish Times about TMOs in the GAA. It's all about cameras. You need to see issues from as many angles as possible.
RTÉ have 6 cameras I think in CP .
The URC final had 17. The Champions League had 32.
These are moneybags sports.
You are never going to have 32 cameras in Páirc Shéain Mhic Diarmada in lovely Leitrim or Clones or anywhere else. So the handpasses are let slide.
https://youtu.be/Gxd23UVID7k
It doesn't matter how many cameras you have, you're not going to use them to check hand passes FFS.
Aussie rules fans have the same complaint about non-striking hand passes. If the referee (or umpire) can't see an infringement, he shouldn't guess. You aren't going to be able to see from both sides at the same time.
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on June 26, 2023, 04:43:15 AM
I don't understand the confusion on the Roscommon player fouling the ball. You are not allowed to throw the ball in football
QuoteRULE 4 - TECHNICAL FOULS
4.1 To overcarry or overhold the ball.
4.2 (a) To throw the ball.
(b) To handpass the ball without:
(i) It being Fisted
or
(ii) It being struck with an open hand with a
definite underhand striking action.
https://www.gaa.ie/api/pdfs/image/upload/vxpgnvzwyiogaylcqubh.pdf (https://www.gaa.ie/api/pdfs/image/upload/vxpgnvzwyiogaylcqubh.pdf)
I've seen people on Twitter saying you throw the ball downwards to hop it. You don't. If you were allowed to throw it up for a bounce, what would stop you throwing it over a players head and running past him, like a quick lineout in rugby.
It was a definite throw. The controversy here is that the call was made in injury time of a knockout game. The irony is that everybody wants consistency in refereeing but most don't want the rules applied against their team in injury time.
Throw, don't start watching the hurling handoasses, half them are dodgy as hell.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 26, 2023, 08:07:53 AM
Throw, don't start watching the hurling handoasses, half them are dodgy as hell.
half?
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on June 26, 2023, 01:57:46 AM
Quote from: Angus MacGyver on June 25, 2023, 10:22:22 PM
Watched the kildare monaghan game again. Jaysis the referee played with Kildare for most of that game.
Dunno about that. He gave Monaghan two of the handiest scorable frees you'd ever see in the first half.
https://twitter.com/clinicalgaa/status/1672898054725292032
We can talk all day about cameras and angles but some of these were in front of the ref. I'd say he's done for the summer
One of Laois's goals yesterday was a clear throw ball, not that it mattered but it happens all the time
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on June 26, 2023, 06:17:42 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2023, 04:49:32 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 25, 2023, 10:18:20 PM
And then there are "handpasses" which dont comply with the striking rule but are never pulled up!
There was an article in the Irish Times about TMOs in the GAA. It's all about cameras. You need to see issues from as many angles as possible.
RTÉ have 6 cameras I think in CP .
The URC final had 17. The Champions League had 32.
These are moneybags sports.
You are never going to have 32 cameras in Páirc Shéain Mhic Diarmada in lovely Leitrim or Clones or anywhere else. So the handpasses are let slide.
https://youtu.be/Gxd23UVID7k
It doesn't matter how many cameras you have, you're not going to use them to check hand passes FFS.
Aussie rules fans have the same complaint about non-striking hand passes. If the referee (or umpire) can't see an infringement, he shouldn't guess. You aren't going to be able to see from both sides at the same time.
Not for matches. To analyse where the game is at. The current system of one ref has been overwhelmed in both hurling and football.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/06/17/referees-in-a-tough-position-as-hurlings-high-wire-act-continues/
"I do not envy anybody trying to referee modern day hurling'. The standard of hurling is phenomenal, the skill levels are gone off the scale, but it's a far, far harder game than I refereed."
Intercounty referees are sent a rule book at the beginning of the season, but up to a couple of years ago they used to receive an exhaustive 80 page handbook. One page was devoted to a checklist of match-day logistics, alpha to omega. Among the 23 items listed was a reminder to bring a coin for the toss and a straight-faced directive to "referee the game in accordance with the rules".
But how, exactly? The way hurling is being played at elite levels has changed so much over the last five or six years that the rule book hasn't been able to keep up. The body-shape of players, the emphasis on power-plays, greater clustering in the middle third, the prevalence of swarm tackling and the viral spread of rucks have made elements of the game impossible to referee except by gut reaction and guessing.
Most players will not be stopped by that kind of contact, and because they can usually break through, the referee will ordinarily not blow for a foul.
In that way an infringement has entered the bloodstream of the game, championed by common practice. Coaches and players know that this boundary has been pushed so that kind of tackling is coached now: players are met with body hits and strong arms to the upper body in the hope of slowing them down, or forcing a turnover."
There is no point in moaning about handpasses. The problem is a lot bigger.
Remove half a dozen rules and the game will be referees better. Marks, fisted points black card etc.
On the Kildare forum and lots of moaning. Feck it. Monaghan suffered a few bad calls too and when you mess up so many attacks then look in the mirror first.
Davy Burke interview. He is so enthusiastic about Roscommon. What a fantastic manager.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rIq_p8Btzg&t=5535s
Quote from: Angus MacGyver on June 26, 2023, 08:02:05 AM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on June 26, 2023, 04:43:15 AM
I don't understand the confusion on the Roscommon player fouling the ball. You are not allowed to throw the ball in football
QuoteRULE 4 - TECHNICAL FOULS
4.1 To overcarry or overhold the ball.
4.2 (a) To throw the ball.
(b) To handpass the ball without:
(i) It being Fisted
or
(ii) It being struck with an open hand with a
definite underhand striking action.
https://www.gaa.ie/api/pdfs/image/upload/vxpgnvzwyiogaylcqubh.pdf (https://www.gaa.ie/api/pdfs/image/upload/vxpgnvzwyiogaylcqubh.pdf)
I've seen people on Twitter saying you throw the ball downwards to hop it. You don't. If you were allowed to throw it up for a bounce, what would stop you throwing it over a players head and running past him, like a quick lineout in rugby.
It was a definite throw. The controversy here is that the call was made in injury time of a knockout game. The irony is that everybody wants consistency in refereeing but most don't want the rules applied against their team in injury time.
is it really consistent when the ruleis roll out once every few years
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on June 26, 2023, 03:36:15 PM
On the Kildare forum and lots of moaning. Feck it. Monaghan suffered a few bad calls too and when you mess up so many attacks then look in the mirror first.
Lost the game with basically the last attack of the match and it was game whereby Kildare had three big goal opportunities, two point blank saves from Beggan and one shot that crashed off the crossbar I think Kildare players and management will look back at that with much regret than what decisions the ref did or didn't do.
Quote from: seafoid on June 29, 2023, 10:46:58 AM
Davy Burke interview. He is so enthusiastic about Roscommon. What a fantastic manager.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rIq_p8Btzg&t=5535s
I'm looking forward to him and PaddyJoe getting on the LLS.
Kelty better book an extra hour or two ;D