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#14191
General discussion / Re: Shamrock Rovers Ultras
May 03, 2007, 12:31:33 PM
Quote from: hoop on May 03, 2007, 12:03:37 PM
What about the TDs and councillors all over the country who are members of GAA clubs? Should they all resign membership just in case a "conflict of interest" arises regarding funding or planning???
No - didn't think so. You need them, don't you?
They need the GAA more than the GAA need them :)
Haven't you read between the lines in the Constitution of the State re the special position of the GAA?
We are like the Army in Turkey only more subtle.
Dail Eireann and local politicians had better behave themselves.
#14192
QuoteReport from BBC website.

What report from what BBC website?
gobshite.com more like it
#14193
Hurling Discussion / Re: Kilkenny Vs Waterford
April 30, 2007, 12:02:58 AM
I don't know much about hurling but it was a great game to watch and Waterford deserved to edge it. Some rock hard feckers play that game. The ref I thought played it just right, he let the game flow especially in the last 20 minutes, in the face of no prisoner tough tackling and shall we say 'competitive' challenges. 
#14194
General discussion / Re: Shamrock Rovers Ultras
April 27, 2007, 12:05:54 PM
Quote from: dublinfella on April 26, 2007, 10:38:48 PM
Good to see that they banned the gouger involved in abusing Webb, wonder is that enough for some of the high horses on here.

Never content, prepare yourself for the "Hoops fans grass on supporter" shocker headlines.
#14195
Quote from: SammyG on April 27, 2007, 08:30:58 AM
Yep because a newspaper reported what Charlton said, that automatically makes it true.  ::) The team bus had a police escort (as did the NI team bus and as would happen in any town, even Dublin) to get it through the traffic. Charlton made claims about having to have armed guards 'on the bus' and various other nonsense, all of which was made up by him (or more likely his ghost writer).

The article ticks the boxes as being an account of the situation. It is a fair reference. Even BB get's in his mercenary dig :).
Whether the armed gaurds were on the bus or travelled in escorts and were outside the bus while the players were getting on and off is irrelevant. Machine gun at the ready, armed police, were a common feature in NI then, it's not exactly a sensational revelation.
As I recall, my reaction at that time was that the FAI were acting like a bunch of wimps in trying to get the game played elsewhere. The FAI have whined like puppies in other situations as well.
Intimidation from NI supporters was never going to materialize into a Montevideo situation.
As for Charlton's desire to travel on the day from Carrick, that's fair enough, keep the team away from the security scenario.
Managers moan, it was always going to be a tough game without the added extraordinary hype and tension.
AFAIR Brasil were allowed to fly into La Paz a couple of hours before an important WCQ game, altitude issues.
#14196
Quote from: Evil Genius on April 26, 2007, 07:15:32 PM
Disingenuous, Main Street.
Nothing disingenious about it at all.
If you were following the thread, hard work I know, it was Sammy who brought this up. Said the armed guards didn't exist, and Jack was talking shite.
I am merely a messenger not an agenda merchant.
#14197
Quote from: SammyG on April 26, 2007, 05:08:46 PM
Charlton is also on record talking about armed guards on the bus and going being terrified driving through the 'mountains' to get to the match. Inspite of the fact that the bus had no guards (armed or otherwise) and the bus didn't go near any mountains (or even small hills) on the way to WP. I suppose if you talk enough shite some of it sticks. Charlton was pissed off because we didn't just roll-over and allow the RoI to qualify, as he expected us to.
Was he talking shite Sammy?
from the herald tribune
http://www.iht.com/articles/1993/11/17/irish_3.php
"The Ireland manager, Charlton, had requested that his team remain until Wednesday afternoon in a heavily secured hotel at Carrickmacross, a short bus ride south of Belfast. But the international soccer federation, FIFA, insisted per regulations that the visiting team arrive 24 hours before kickoff, requiring Ireland to fly north Tuesday and be escorted by armored police vehicles to a hotel chosen after four changes of mind."
Charlton was a pro he knew it was going to be a hard game like everybody else, it was shite like that that no manager wants.
#14198

So based on my own experience of that night, a surprisingly clear mw rte radio commentary some 1500 miles away, the commentators were regularily drowned out by the bigots. And with the Kop End, loud and sustained, 10 times worse than ibrox. Then where GSpain was located in the stands, vile sectarian abuse were the words he used. You could conceivably see our intrepid fictitious civil servant getting the shock of his life which triggered a fundamental self examination.
Where fantasy is stretched beyond any credible limit is that a football fan would switch allegience, that just shows that Marie Jones knew feck all about soccer.
My own feelings about that night are dominated by the equaliser and getting to the world cup. Probably angry that there was the media hype before, that Irish fans couldn't or wouldn't go, that the team were left on their own, that sport was infected in this way.
Charlton has gone on record as being shocked at the level of hostility and bigotry. But immediatly after the game he was invited to give an award to some young lads and he received a standing ovation from a packed room of NI fans and many well wishes, probably confused him totally.
I can seperate the then basic hostile Ni fan who wanted to beat us from the fans who were out and out bigots. I'm glad they are gone.
But I don't get the idea put out that the play will have the opposite effect than its intention. I would have to see proof of that.
#14199
QuotePerhaps, but GSpain who was there with the travelling support has stated on this very website that he had experienced worse at other matches and that in his opinion, the abuse at Windsor was hugely exagerated.
I dont know how it was reported.
In a GAA board it's sinisterly ironic that the witness you drag up is GS pain, does the GS stand for  - glass spreader :)
GSpain did acknowledge that there was sustained loud vile sectarian abuse throughout the game. Other supporters reported worse, though there could have been a hint of exageration of the peril they faced
However I think mild mannered Packie Bonner's statement of 10 time worse than Ibrox is quite damning.
#14200
General discussion / Re: lennon leaves celtic
April 26, 2007, 12:30:57 PM
Neil Lennon is one of my favorite players, not at all one of the best, just in regards to football intelligence, team leader and holding player par excellance. I am not a Celtic fan.
Games that I remember with him in particular were the away games against Ajax and Liverpool.
His time had to come some day to leave his favored club and he couldn't have chosen a better time to leave.
#14201
Quote from: SammyG on April 25, 2007, 02:50:43 PM
No problem with that, but that's not what you said. You said sex shops should be zoned off in their own zone. I don't understand why a sex shop is any different to any other retail enterprise. If you have already have a retail zone why would you also need a specific sex zone?

;D
That's a good one, maybe unintentional.

I haven't a clue about the area at all. I assume there are residents involved and they have their reasons.
Could be they are very suspicious of sex shops. Maybee they are just fearfull that undesirables be attracted to come into their area. Maybe they have good reasons, I don't know. It would be good to know.
6 sounds a bit excesssive to me to be located in one small area.
I suppose I'm in favour of strictly controlled good city planning. That such shops be in designated retail areas.
#14202
Quote from: SammyG on April 25, 2007, 02:33:00 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 25, 2007, 02:28:03 PM
Soft porn was freely available in the North years before the likes of the luke warm Playboy hit the streets in the South. Sex shops exist elsewhere in Belfast.
It is illegal to set up a sex shop without a licence.
Why shouldn't the council support the wishes of local residents who didn't want to have a proliferation of sex shops (6 in all) who wanted to set up there. Whats wrong with Sex (zones) in the city ?


What about bookie zones or pub zones or church zones or school zones (keep all the kids in one place and stop them annoying the adults)?

Why should somebody who is selling completely legal material, whether that is porn mags or clothes pegs be stopped from doing it by the council.

I asked the questions first Sammy.
But to keep on with the great tradition of answering questions with more questions
Why shouldn't a city have zones, residential only zones, mixed residential and office, mixed residential and shopping,  etc etc?
#14203
Soft porn was freely available in the North years before the likes of the luke warm Playboy hit the streets in the South. Sex shops exist elsewhere in Belfast.
It is illegal to set up a sex shop without a licence.
Why shouldn't the council support the wishes of local residents who didn't want to have a proliferation of sex shops (6 in all) who wanted to set up there. Whats wrong with Sex (zones) in the city ?
#14204
Quote from: GweylTah on April 25, 2007, 12:39:48 PM
No more and no less pathetic than the moral outrage over Ann Summers coming to OConnell Street. Whats sauce for the goose.....
Why do you say that the Belfast council's reason for refusal to grant a licence for a sex shop in that location is pathetic?
#14205
General discussion / Re: Shamrock Rovers Ultras
April 24, 2007, 03:07:24 PM
IMO  both sides have valid arguments and both have their valid points.

Despite what your partners might say, size does matter. Unless TD have a working plan for at least 6,000 seats in a dual usage scenario then Rovers should have the priority use.
If there is a viable plan for a dual use stadium, then GAA pitch size is not a major impediment to soccer spectators.
They should try spotting a hurley ball in full flight some 150m away ?