Donegal V Derry, June 1st

[jodyb]

Fcuk you green man
Anyway, good article in sunday tribune
http://www.tribune.ie/article.tvt?_scope=Tribune%2FSport%2FGAA&id=88812&SUBCAT=Tribune%2FSport

Wee Mc Hugh and the scud talkin about the early 90s et al

[jodyb]

Was talkin to a mate an he told me that wee mc hugh was absolutely vitriolic at half time on the championship yesterday. Anybody got the text or footage of same? I checked the beeb website, but apart from some rehearsed speil from the man in question, I cant find anything?

[orangeman]

Fcuk you green man
Anyway, good article in sunday tribune
http://www.tribune.ie/article.tvt?_scope=Tribune%2FSport%2FGAA&id=88812&SUBCAT=Tribune%2FSport

Wee Mc Hugh and the scud talkin about the early 90s et al

Class article - thanks for that jodyb !

[tbrick18]

by jaesus there's some serious begrudgers on here! Half of them aren't even from Donegal!

Derry had a terrible first half. Donegal had done their homeowork and found a way of minimising the effect of the Derry midfield by targeting their own half forwards on kickouts. It kept Donegal with at least 50% possesion and with quality ball going into McFadden he was always going to score a few. McFadden is one of those "marquee" forwards people talk about and he was on form against an out of form McCloy. The penalty decision was 50/50 at best. I thought Derry had an equal penalty plea in the second half with Gilligan fouled in the box but it wasnt given. At the time I though Kavanagh made a meal of the Doherty thing, but having seen it again on TV Doc was lucky....though so was Kavanagh, he had just fouled Doherty for a shirt pull which would have been his second yellow so to the letter of the law they should both have walked. So I dont think there's much point in complaining about Doc not getting a red.

Derry made the necessary changes of personel and tactics at half time to secure the win. Surprisingly Crozier won the tactical battle with McIvor. In the second half instead of shooting on sight Derry tried to work the ball into a better scoring position than they did in the first half. This is the only reason Derry won more frees....Donegal could not get the ball back and resorted to fouling. The Derry defence was reshuffled and were more disciplined than their counterparts conceding fewer frees in the second half and the introduction of Conway for an ineffective Paul Murphy (worst game I've seen from him which is a worry). We won more midfield possession and Donegal just could not cope with midfield or Paddy Bradley which left McFadden starved of quality ball...and hence the Derry victory.

Derry have a lot to improve on if they are to win Ulster...but at this stage it's too early to be thinking about anything other than Fermanagh. Another manager who knows the Derry players and a team with no shortage of talent...though their forwards need improving.

As for you Monaghan/Donegal begrudgers...dry your eyes, you still have the qualifiers to look forward to. 

[Puckoon]

by jaesus there's some serious begrudgers on here! Half of them aren't even from Donegal!

Derry had a terrible first half. Donegal had done their homeowork and found a way of minimising the effect of the Derry midfield by targeting their own half forwards on kickouts. It kept Donegal with at least 50% possesion and with quality ball going into McFadden he was always going to score a few. McFadden is one of those "marquee" forwards people talk about and he was on form against an out of form McCloy. The penalty decision was 50/50 at best. I thought Derry had an equal penalty plea in the second half with Gilligan fouled in the box but it wasnt given. At the time I though Kavanagh made a meal of the Doherty thing, but having seen it again on TV Doc was lucky....though so was Kavanagh, he had just fouled Doherty for a shirt pull which would have been his second yellow so to the letter of the law they should both have walked. So I dont think there's much point in complaining about Doc not getting a red.

Derry made the necessary changes of personel and tactics at half time to secure the win. Surprisingly Crozier won the tactical battle with McIvor. In the second half instead of shooting on sight Derry tried to work the ball into a better scoring position than they did in the first half. This is the only reason Derry won more frees....Donegal could not get the ball back and resorted to fouling. The Derry defence was reshuffled and were more disciplined than their counterparts conceding fewer frees in the second half and the introduction of Conway for an ineffective Paul Murphy (worst game I've seen from him which is a worry). We won more midfield possession and Donegal just could not cope with midfield or Paddy Bradley which left McFadden starved of quality ball...and hence the Derry victory.

Derry have a lot to improve on if they are to win Ulster...but at this stage it's too early to be thinking about anything other than Fermanagh. Another manager who knows the Derry players and a team with no shortage of talent...though their forwards need improving.

As for you Monaghan/Donegal begrudgers...dry your eyes, you still have the qualifiers to look forward to. 

It took donegal 35 minutes to figure out midfield. Derry took them to the cleaners in the first half in that department. How else do you be put in a position to hit double figure wides in the first half if you arent getting a foothold in midfield?

[Rois]

What do these assessors actually do??

We seem to get the same clowns every year. Didn't Duffy have a poor game last year in Tyrone v Fermanagh. Please God, don't let Frank Flynn from Leitrim back near a Championship match. If the assessors are doing their job, he won't be.

The assessors have a standard "marking sheet" that they work to and note down performance in all aspects of the game.  They think about it from the perspective of what the ref can actually be expected to see, and do not make their analysis with the benefit of replays and tv coverage as the ref doesn't have that either. 

I think rather than it being a question of the assessors doing their job, it is more a matter of whether those who appoint referees have taken the views of the assessor into account.  It isn't the ref assessors who appoint the refs.

[glenullinabu]

Tell this computer illiterate amadan how to do that. But explain it like I'm a 6 year old please?

highlight your text and select the <-M <- moving box in th toolbar
its easy

[orangeman]

Interesting article in the Irish News today by Denise Martin showing the pluses and minuses in Donegal and Derry game -

[J70]

Fcuk you green man
Anyway, good article in sunday tribune
http://www.tribune.ie/article.tvt?_scope=Tribune%2FSport%2FGAA&id=88812&SUBCAT=Tribune%2FSport

Wee Mc Hugh and the scud talkin about the early 90s et al

Excellent article as always from Shannon. And good memories!

[peterquaife]

Derry will be happy enough with that win, esp in the 'Boffey.
Thought Donegal lorded the midfield in the 1st half.
Alot of Derrys big name players didnt show in the first 35 mins and a fortunate enough Eoin Bradley goal kept the scores close enough.
Actually missed the Doc  / Kavanagh incident. But I didnt miss Kavanagh involved in nearly all other off the ball altercations, which was to Donegals detriment as himself and Toye had a super first half, stick to the football lad
Paddy Bradley is some pup, as is big Diver. Enjoyed big Joe tapping Rory Kavanagh on the shoulder after their sideline cafuffle to say no hard feelings for some other Donegal brut te put the should in on Big Joe...settle sir

PQ

[EC Unique]

Doc will get a month. Rightly or wrongly he will def get a month. It was not dealt with by the ref and the TV caught it perfectly and broacasted it for the nation to see and all the pundits agreed that it was striking so the GAA can not be seen to ignore it. Month is a cert

Told you so

[unforgiven]

Doc will get a month. Rightly or wrongly he will def get a month. It was not dealt with by the ref and the TV caught it perfectly and broacasted it for the nation to see and all the pundits agreed that it was striking so the GAA can not be seen to ignore it. Month is a cert

Told you so

You're obviously a genious

[whiskeysteve]

Doc will get a month. Rightly or wrongly he will def get a month. It was not dealt with by the ref and the TV caught it perfectly and broacasted it for the nation to see and all the pundits agreed that it was striking so the GAA can not be seen to ignore it. Month is a cert

Told you so

You're obviously a genious

Take out the 'o' and you will be one too

[EC Unique]

Doc will get a month. Rightly or wrongly he will def get a month. It was not dealt with by the ref and the TV caught it perfectly and broacasted it for the nation to see and all the pundits agreed that it was striking so the GAA can not be seen to ignore it. Month is a cert

Told you so

You're obviously a genious

Take out the 'o' and you will be one too

[The Voice Of Reason]

From a Donegal perspective I thought that McFadden, Gallagher and Rory Kavanagh did pretty well. However apart from 2 of the aforementioned, we just couldn't compete in the air at midfield. We were really struggling to win possession. Up front we can only rely on Murphy and McFadden for scores, and both are either too young/inconsistent to be relied on all the time. Defense was reasonably good, although I thought we should've tried dropping someone in front of Paddy Bradley.

We've got the qualifiers, but it's hard to get extra excited, as we're probably not going to suddenly discover a few men of 6'2"+ to play around midfield, and another lethal forward. Still if we get a kind draw we can make the quarter-finals, and then who knows...


I thought Derry were very impressive. They've serious possession winning power in the middle of the park. If you want to win an All-Ireland, you've got to be good between numbers 5 and 12. Derry have the ingredients to be very competitive here against anyone. I wouldn't worry about kicking 11 wides in the first half ... it's good to be in the position to kick those wides in the first place. I thought Paddy Bradley was very good, out in front _every_ time, and was cute enough to win his frees. Eoin Bradley has serious potential, and if he fulfills his potential Derry will go a very long way this year.

Another thing to note, Derry had a very big support at the game in Ballybofey. They were really vocal too. That's good to see, as it's important for the game that a little bit of hype gets into a county with the 4th biggest city on the island, where the GAA has a very small footprint.