Boxing Thread

[omaghjoe]

Would concurr with nrico, love Golovkin think he is my favourite fighter since Kostya Tszyu

I think GGG is the real deal, maybe the best middleweight ever but I dont know if we are ever gonna get a chance to find that out, cause no one of real worth will give him a fight.

Canelo and delaHoya in particular are infuriating for boxing fans with the ducking and catchweights BS. But then the fight already happened at a sparring session in Abel Sanchez's gym where Canelo got beat around the ring for a couple of rounds, so maybe thats the real reason.

There's talk about Saunders going for it as well, and he actually would be as well to take it, he's unlikely to ever get a payday like it again.

BTW the BS talk about Mayweather v GGG is stupid, GGGs power timing and ring cutting would take him to pieces pretty quickly IMO. However it would not be a fair fight for Mayweather as it would be giving up 2 weight classes from his natural weight

[gallsman]

He's great but best ever? Up there with Robinson, Monzon, Hagler and Hopkins? Not yet in my opinion, nowhere close.

[lurganblue]

He's great but best ever? Up there with Robinson, Monzon, Hagler and Hopkins? Not yet in my opinion, nowhere close.

This is my opinion.  Best ever is a stretch.

Boxing needs to go to one or possibly 2 belts per division.  That would surely cut down all this dodging of fights.

[omaghjoe]

He's great but best ever? Up there with Robinson, Monzon, Hagler and Hopkins? Not yet in my opinion, nowhere close.

This is my opinion.  Best ever is a stretch.

Boxing needs to go to one or possibly 2 belts per division.  That would surely cut down all this dodging of fights.

Thing is, great opponents make great champs and he just is not getting great opponents

For example prior to Duran, Hearns et all moving up to MW Hagler wasnt considered anything special but after he disposed of them was considered one of the greatest.

I dont know enough about Robinson but I suspect that Monzon is the only guy who would have had a hope against Golovkin at MW. But like I say...I suspect! We may never actually find out how good he is unless the governing bodies get their act together and give the fights we all want to see

[screenexile]

I think the press conference was a complete farce . . . Our Heavyweight Champion of the World everyone!!



There seemed to be a lot of talk of Klitschko's cheating with padding in rings/gloves etc.

Is that valid?

[Syferus]

Vlad beat alot of blown up cruiserweights he could paw away (illegally) with his big jab. Met a half decent big guy with a longer reach who could do the same to him and he was fûcked. Him continually clinching inside rather than trying to mix it with the big man really put paid to the idea he has a high boxing IQ. One note is the best way to describe him tbh.

[CiKe]

Vlad beat alot of blown up cruiserweights he could paw away (illegally) with his big jab. Met a half decent big guy with a longer reach who could do the same to him and he was fûcked. Him continually clinching inside rather than trying to mix it with the big man really put paid to the idea he has a high boxing IQ. One note is the best way to describe him tbh.

What is illegal about the jab? Considered by many - who would know a lot more than me - to be the best jab since Larry Holmes. Think your judgement being clouded by fact his fights were boring by and large but shouldn't take away from him being good fighter. Be interesting rematch.

[CiKe]

He's great but best ever? Up there with Robinson, Monzon, Hagler and Hopkins? Not yet in my opinion, nowhere close.

This is my opinion.  Best ever is a stretch.

Boxing needs to go to one or possibly 2 belts per division.  That would surely cut down all this dodging of fights.

Thing is, great opponents make great champs and he just is not getting great opponents

For example prior to Duran, Hearns et all moving up to MW Hagler wasnt considered anything special but after he disposed of them was considered one of the greatest.

I dont know enough about Robinson but I suspect that Monzon is the only guy who would have had a hope against Golovkin at MW. But like I say...I suspect! We may never actually find out how good he is unless the governing bodies get their act together and give the fights we all want to see

GGG is different class to what is around today. Needs to fight Andre Ward and kovalev though. As to where he ranks vs the greats of yesteryear, not sure. Hagler is rated so highly on the basis of the famous four to some extent but he was the naturally heavier man among them. for my money he was robbed against Sugar Ray but were his real middleweight opponents that much better than GGG's?

[TF15]

GGG a small enough middleweight is hardly going to jump two weight classes to fight Kova and Ward who are operating at Light Heavy. He's a genuine middleweight and wants to clear up the division but today it's an absolute nightmare to get unification fights, especially for GGG. If Canelo avoids him I'll be gutted. Billy Joe Saunders will do his very best to avoid him at all costs too.

The criticism of Klitschko is valid. He always had a thick sponge underlay under the canvas so it was hard to move and only he trained with such a canvas thus giving him an advantage. The Furys stood up to Klitschko (who is a control freak) on the canvas and hand wraps (wrapped his hands without a member of Furys team present). Wlad and Vitali were bad for the heavyweight scene as they fought only in Germany and had boring styles (more so Wlad), so I hope Fury wins setting up some good fights with Joshua, Wilder and Haye. Wlad seemed pissed off at today's press conference, he really hates Fury's antics and has the bit between his teeth, will it result in a more aggressive and positive performance.... I'm not sure!

[nrico2006]

Vlad beat alot of blown up cruiserweights he could paw away (illegally) with his big jab. Met a half decent big guy with a longer reach who could do the same to him and he was fûcked. Him continually clinching inside rather than trying to mix it with the big man really put paid to the idea he has a high boxing IQ. One note is the best way to describe him tbh.

I always had the same view on Vlad, his success was down to his size and reach advantage more than anything else.  The past few years I was harping on that Fury would beat him and he did, quite comfortably too.  People say that Vlad had an off day etc, but it was simply a case of when faced with someone he couldn't control with his reach and it came down to pure boxing ability, Fury is simply better.  Fury should win the rematch too and hopefully set up a few big fights with Haye, Fury etc.

[BennyHarp]

Kovalev v Andre Ward signed apparently. Probably the best match up of the year.

[CiKe]

GGG a small enough middleweight is hardly going to jump two weight classes to fight Kova and Ward who are operating at Light Heavy. He's a genuine middleweight and wants to clear up the division but today it's an absolute nightmare to get unification fights, especially for GGG. If Canelo avoids him I'll be gutted. Billy Joe Saunders will do his very best to avoid him at all costs too.

The criticism of Klitschko is valid. He always had a thick sponge underlay under the canvas so it was hard to move and only he trained with such a canvas thus giving him an advantage. The Furys stood up to Klitschko (who is a control freak) on the canvas and hand wraps (wrapped his hands without a member of Furys team present). Wlad and Vitali were bad for the heavyweight scene as they fought only in Germany and had boring styles (more so Wlad), so I hope Fury wins setting up some good fights with Joshua, Wilder and Haye. Wlad seemed pissed off at today's press conference, he really hates Fury's antics and has the bit between his teeth, will it result in a more aggressive and positive performance.... I'm not sure!

Didn't realize Ward had already stepped up in weight. GGG is not the tallest but is barrel chested and I would have him down to beat anyone at 168 with possible exception of ward. 175 May be a stretch but we can all dream...

Criticism of Wlad is absolutely fair, but one thing is criticism, another is saying his jab is illegal. Like him or loathe him it has been one of the best punches in any division over the past 10 years.

[omaghjoe]

GGG a small enough middleweight is hardly going to jump two weight classes to fight Kova and Ward who are operating at Light Heavy. He's a genuine middleweight and wants to clear up the division but today it's an absolute nightmare to get unification fights, especially for GGG. If Canelo avoids him I'll be gutted. Billy Joe Saunders will do his very best to avoid him at all costs too.

The criticism of Klitschko is valid. He always had a thick sponge underlay under the canvas so it was hard to move and only he trained with such a canvas thus giving him an advantage. The Furys stood up to Klitschko (who is a control freak) on the canvas and hand wraps (wrapped his hands without a member of Furys team present). Wlad and Vitali were bad for the heavyweight scene as they fought only in Germany and had boring styles (more so Wlad), so I hope Fury wins setting up some good fights with Joshua, Wilder and Haye. Wlad seemed pissed off at today's press conference, he really hates Fury's antics and has the bit between his teeth, will it result in a more aggressive and positive performance.... I'm not sure!

Didn't realize Ward had already stepped up in weight. GGG is not the tallest but is barrel chested and I would have him down to beat anyone at 168 with possible exception of ward. 175 May be a stretch but we can all dream...

Criticism of Wlad is absolutely fair, but one thing is criticism, another is saying his jab is illegal. Like him or loathe him it has been one of the best punches in any division over the past 10 years.

Ward is supposedly gonna fight Kovalev b4 the year is out so thats why he moved up, and he probably will considering that the fight is about as big as either of the two can generate. Should be good..... really could go either way, but I would go with Kovalev.

Dont know about GGG v either of these two,for a start both are alot bigger than he is.

Im guessing Golovkin would try and box Kovalev as he is a way bigger man with bombs in both hands, he defo wouldnt walk thru his punches in a hurry. Ward I dunno I still think that Golovkin could walk him down tho Ward would likely have enough power to keep him off. Either of these two bouts would be great to see and much better than Canelo v Golovkin which would end up the same way as the rest of Golovkins bouts IMO

[JimStynes]

great win for Jamie Conlon. An absolute tear up as well. Both men down a few times and both looked beat a few time but came back. Conlon with a lovey body shot to finish it!

[JimStynes]

I reckon Ward beats Kovalev at LH and GGG at 168. In my opinion he is underrated. The man is a genius but I don't know how bad the time off will have affected him. His most recent fight he looked OK. I don't think he lost a round and he wasn't fighting any mug either!