Boxing Thread

[Wildweasel74]

Hearns, Leonard and Duran all fought at welterweight, which is the weight below light middle, all would beat either man here. The jump from light middle to middle is not that great.

[gallsman]

Hearns, Leonard and Duran all fought at welterweight, which is the weight below light middle, all would beat either man here. The jump from light middle to middle is not that great.

Sugar Ray and Hearns began their careers at welter and grew into bigger weights. Duran began at lightweight and his middleweight win was a fantastic achievement. Hagler was a career middleweight.

In contrast, Pacquiao began at flyweight and at the end of his career isn't really a welter and Mayweather began at super feather. Mayweather is champ at light middle but he's clearly a welter, again at the end of his career. The jump for them to middleweight would be absolutely enormous (and completely irrelevant) and to hold that against them is utterly ludicrous.

[omaghjoe]

What is the point of comparing them to Hagler, who as you point out was a fully fledged middleweight? Or joined who spent majority of his career at light heavy? Neither of them have fought at middleweight in their life. That's why the lb for lb concept exists. Why not just ask got they'd have fared against Ali?

Who has Mayweather ducked (with the possible exception of Manny) until they were over the hill?

The most obvious one would that he ducked completely would be Koysta Tyzu.

[gallsman]

What is the point of comparing them to Hagler, who as you point out was a fully fledged middleweight? Or joined who spent majority of his career at light heavy? Neither of them have fought at middleweight in their life. That's why the lb for lb concept exists. Why not just ask got they'd have fared against Ali?

Who has Mayweather ducked (with the possible exception of Manny) until they were over the hill?

The most obvious one would that he ducked completely would be Koysta Tyzu.

I disagree. There was a very small window for a Tsyzu fight that Hatton shut closed. Don't think you can blame Mayweather here.

[omaghjoe]

What is the point of comparing them to Hagler, who as you point out was a fully fledged middleweight? Or joined who spent majority of his career at light heavy? Neither of them have fought at middleweight in their life. That's why the lb for lb concept exists. Why not just ask got they'd have fared against Ali?

Who has Mayweather ducked (with the possible exception of Manny) until they were over the hill?

The most obvious one would that he ducked completely would be Koysta Tyzu.

I disagree. There was a very small window for a Tsyzu fight that Hatton shut closed. Don't think you can blame Mayweather here.

Well we are all painfully aware of the length of windows that he needs to "make fights"

[NAG1]

Great piece by Dan Roan on BBC

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/32536128

[nrico2006]

Is Pacquaio an 8 division champion or 6 division champion?

[JoG2]

Is Pacquaio an 8 division champion or 6 division champion?

8 time world champion at 6 divisions (i think)

[nrico2006]

I suppose I was just wondering how prestigious the Ring and the IBO titles are?

[gallsman]

I suppose I was just wondering how prestigious the Ring and the IBO titles are?

The Ring - a lot. Check out their explanation of ratings, champion recognition etc. Gives things a lot of credence and it's the "Bible of boxing" after all.

IBO - not at all.

[JoG2]

I suppose I was just wondering how prestigious the Ring and the IBO titles are?

ring (minor title) or IBO titles dont make up the 8 major world titles though (wiki)

[JoG2]

Paquiao has won major world titles from flyweight (112lbs) right up to light-middleweight (154lbs)...unbelievable achievement

[oakleaflad]

I suppose I was just wondering how prestigious the Ring and the IBO titles are?

ring (minor title) or IBO titles dont make up the 8 major world titles though (wiki)

There's only 4 major World titles.
The Ring is not one of these but is significant as it is awarded to the consensus best boxer in the division.

[JoG2]

I suppose I was just wondering how prestigious the Ring and the IBO titles are?

ring (minor title) or IBO titles dont make up the 8 major world titles though (wiki)

There's only 4 major World titles.
The Ring is not one of these but is significant as it is awarded to the consensus best boxer in the division.

yes, but the 8 is a total (at different weights)

[oakleaflad]

I suppose I was just wondering how prestigious the Ring and the IBO titles are?

ring (minor title) or IBO titles dont make up the 8 major world titles though (wiki)

There's only 4 major World titles.
The Ring is not one of these but is significant as it is awarded to the consensus best boxer in the division.

yes, but the 8 is a total (at different weights)

Ah, you are referring to the 8 times Pacquiao has won a World title they have been one of the 4 major belts, not minor titles, is that right?