Armagh v Derry Official Thread

[pintsofguinness]

Bigpaul

To have to read criticism of the legend that is Joe Kernan from somebody who obviously spent the match reading updates from a Donegal man who was listening to Highland Radio is just plain ridiculous!!!!!!!!

Have you something to say?

[bigpaul]

I have already said it!

[pintsofguinness]

   Great argument then.

Someone who wasn't at the match can't comment on Joe Kernan's reign as manager 

[bigpaul]

From memory I don't think you were at Ballybofey either! Can you not see the irony, even from your position?

[pintsofguinness]

No wasn't in ballybofey either, for numerous reasons (and for the first time in my life)  I decided to stay away from both games. 
I don't see any irony nor do I see how it affects my position to comment on Joe Kernan. 

 

[bigpaul]

Not going to Ballybofey 'for numerous reasons' and 'I decided to stay away' don't really stack up! If you can't see the irony, well, you wouldn't be big into comedy then!
Your constant criticism of all things Kernan and use of invective against the familly actually undermines your argument!
     

[pintsofguinness]

Not going to Ballybofey 'for numerous reasons' and 'I decided to stay away' don't really stack up! If you can't see the irony, well, you wouldn't be big into comedy then!
Your constant criticism of all things Kernan and use of invective against the familly actually undermines your argument!

You haven't explained to me how me not going to two games means I can't comment on Joe Kernan.  He has been manager since 2002.  If I wasn't at the games because I live outside the country would I be allowed to comment?

Your constant criticism of all things Kernan and use of invective against the familly actually undermines your argument!

That's just wrong.  I think you'll find I have never criticised aaron, have often defended him and I actually think he's a fine role model, particularly around Cross.   
I have no issues with Stephen, the lad jsut isn't county standard and that's it, it's not his fault. 
Apart from Joe, and my criticism of him has never been personal, I have never said anything about the rest of the family. 

[bigpaul]

You're always allowed to comment,but you can't deny me the right to compare your dedication to Armagh with Joe Kernans'!
'Good riddance to Big Joe and he can take Stephen with him', quite a difference in tone to your last post Pints! In addition your constant use of the phrase 'flapping about' has been degrading!

[pintsofguinness]

'Good riddance to Big Joe and he can take Stephen with him',

I don't see anything wrong with that.

[bigpaul]

Can you not see the difference in the tone between that quote and your last post?

[pintsofguinness]

Nope. 
goodnight

[bigpaul]

The depth of your reasoning underwhelms me!

[Goats Do Shave]

Realisation has sunk in today. Feeling fairly sick.

I hope no rash decisions are made this week by management or players. The winner yesterday was Armagh club football. The players will get a long long break from county football. & hopefully we won't see the mass retirements that most expect.
- Lads take your time & wait untill the end of the year before any decisions are made!!

Some of the criticism is harsh here; the guys are out doing their best. Unfortunately they weren't good enough on the day, again!

Unfortunately Armagh's lack of pace & guile in the forward line has cost us again. However the calls for Charlie Vernon will not improve this part of our team, no matter how good a footballer he is; his game is more about strength!!

Looking at the future, it would have been nice if young Forker or Peader was introduced, simply to get a taste of hard hitting Championship football... I don't believe this would have won the game for us yesterday, but it would stand to them when they come into the team next year!!

Unlucky lads - good effort!!

[Bogball XV]

I was at both Armagh's games this year and each was almost a carbon copy of the other.

I didn't see the correlation, Armagh were totally outplayed in the first half, and only the two points gifted by the Derry keeper kept them in it in the first half.

The big push in both games, the old 'turning of the screw' phase we've come to expect from Armagh, simply didn't yield enough scores to secure the game in either Ballybofey or Clones today. A two point lead was a poor reflection on the degree to which Derry were suffocated out of the game and on the ropes in the third quarter.

Yeah, I expected them to go on from there, not due to their own brilliance, but because Derry supporters are born pessimists - but in truth, they didn't create anything and have very few options up front.

Once the lead was secured, Armagh appeared to sit back and allowed a spirited but still extremely limited Derry side to keep in touch with frees, some of them very soft - Aaron Kernan's free to the wee red haired lad, and the one Fergal Doherty absolutely bought prior to that were as cheap a pair of frees as you'll see. Armagh won a few handy ones too but none of them coughed up easy scores like these frees that were instrumental in keeping a pulse in a Derry team that barely got out of their half at times in second half.

Don't remember the Doherty free, but Devlin's was a definite foul from where I was (about 20yds away).

I struggle to even recall other Derry attempts on goal from play in the second half save for the punched effort that went wide shortly after the break.

Yeah, we didn't have much, but Wilkinson should have goaled there, that was imo the only genuine goal chance in the game.

Still, it's up to Armagh as a genuine Sam Maguire contender to punish these shortcomings in their opponents and they failed to do so either against Donegal or now Derry, so tough shit I suppose.

I don't think they were genuine contenders this year - maybe a year too far, especially without Clarke.

Finally, could some people cutting up big Joe wind their necks in. Talk about an ungrateful shower. Fine, maybe it's time for him to move on but not with rancour ringing in his ears.

Totally agree.

[tbrick18]

I have to laugh at the computer nerds giving their expert opinions without actually attending games.  Reading many of the posts You would think Armagh were so much better than Derry and Derry stole the game because the ref did not give Armagh one deserved free.  i was at the game and I thought the ref was very generous to Armagh -  He gave them many soft frees and was inconsistent.  The game was close and hard fought with Derry managhing to score a couple of vital scores near the end for a deserved victory

Totally agree with this comment. The ref gave in time and time again to armagh players and management harrassing him and even in some of todays papers i read the he gave a lot of inexpicable frees to armagh...so stop the whinging about one free at the end yous thought yous should have got. Aaron kernan fouled mcgoldrick all day and armagh got a couple of scores as a direct result when the ref didnt blow him up, so no point complaining.
This was a tremendous performance from this derry team (I for one thought it would be the end of the year for us b4 the game). Remember we are also missing two players who are as important to us as clarke and bellew are to armagh in Muldoon and Kevin Mcguckain. So injuries cant be blamed for a defeat either. On the day, Derry deserved the win and most of the Armagh supporters around us said the same thing when the match was over.
Can we beat Mayo? If we can beat Armagh there's no reason why not, but this Derry team can never be relied on to put 2 performances together, so who knows. Here's hoping though.