Ulster Senior football championship 2024

[Walter Cronc]

Armagh fold again on Penalties, Why was Rian O'Neil taken off. Awful way to lose a game. Some Armagh supporters argue that's that a draw! 4 point up with 20 mins to go, Armagh went bck into their shell instead pushing on.

This time Armagh did not fold, good save to win it. Rian couldn't walk at full time, physio was working on him he had run out of gas. Why Oisin doesn't start or come in earlier is a mystery. But Donaghy telling Jarly Og to recycle a mark that was scoreable  points to a mindset that leads to losing games. Twice at least they had the game won and then stopped doing what was working for them. Players running into dead ends and not taking opportunities points to that  same mindset. Something needs to change, if not McGeeney then the back room. They need a change of direction. Some incredible scores yesterday from both teams, fair play Donegal they found a a way.

To be fair they have brought Gilligan into the backroom team this year who is very highly thought of. 

What's Donaghys role if Gilligan is charged with the attack?

[Itchy]

If there's a silver-lining to yesterday's performance it's that Armagh put on an exhibition on why the attacking mark should be ditched. Such a stupid rule.

Odd take. I think the attacking mark works. I also don't know why you would get rid of it because 2 Armagh players didn't have a shot.

[Captain Scarlet]

I think my earlier post about Armagh shutting up shop and holding out when 4 up on the 54th minute meant I love dour shite, but I loved that game yesterday in terms of lads letting rip.

It was bizarre though the amount of bodies back and still not enough pressure on kickers. Both sides had men in the forwards who were on fire from distance and yet the defence packed back in and around the D and looked as another boomer swung over.

[lurganblue]

The talk of Jarly Og's mark is a red herring, if Jarly was given a bag of O Neills and stood on that spot in Clones till next Sunday he wouldn't have make that kick. Soup should have had a pop at his , but again he had just missed a similar one so he maybe didnt feel good about it. A wild wide and handing back procession to Patton was not the right option. When Conaty dropped short was a turning point I feel,he should have recycled, maybe bit of inexperience but the lad had a great game other than that and his wide at the last.

Very harsh and don't agree with that at all, Jarly Og is well capable of kicking a ball over the bar from 35-40m on the correct side of the pitch given his kicking style. If that was the case he shouldn't have bothered calling the mark in the first instance. I don't particularly like the rule to begin with but it is there to be taken advantage of where spaces in defence are tight in the closing stages of games.

It's a sad indictment of gaelic football that some people think a ball should be recycled backwards from a shooting position inside the 45m line and that they can't trust a player to have a shot at the posts. Playing the low risk percentages might be part of the reason why we can't see out these matches, its a fear mindset.   

I'm not so sure that he is. Jarly óg falls into the category of players we have that IMO are told to not shoot unless it's almost a certainty. You can see it in our build up play.  Quite a few of our lads are not going to attempt to threaten the scoreboard (in certain positions) and I'm sure the opposition know this too.

[lurganblue]

I think my earlier post about Armagh shutting up shop and holding out when 4 up on the 54th minute meant I love dour shite, but I loved that game yesterday in terms of lads letting rip.

It was bizarre though the amount of bodies back and still not enough pressure on kickers. Both sides had men in the forwards who were on fire from distance and yet the defence packed back in and around the D and looked as another boomer swung over.

This was certainly my take too. Frustrating but also great to see some class scores. Maybe both sides very wary that a goal would be a killer blow.

[Saffron_sam20]

If there's a silver-lining to yesterday's performance it's that Armagh put on an exhibition on why the attacking mark should be ditched. Such a stupid rule.

Odd take. I think the attacking mark works. I also don't know why you would get rid of it because 2 Armagh players didn't have a shot.

not really, ive seen it happen a lot now esp in club games. Players are told take the mark regardless. it's pointless, it actually stops attacking play. it's the safe option, taking a mark and playing it backwards just stupid. it should have been binned but its getting to a mockery stage now. if they are going to keep it it should be tweaked that you must take a shot or that the ball must go forward.

[Sandy Hill]

If there's a silver-lining to yesterday's performance it's that Armagh put on an exhibition on why the attacking mark should be ditched. Such a stupid rule.

Odd take. I think the attacking mark works. I also don't know why you would get rid of it because 2 Armagh players didn't have a shot.

not really, ive seen it happen a lot now esp in club games. Players are told take the mark regardless. it's pointless, it actually stops attacking play. it's the safe option, taking a mark and playing it backwards just stupid. it should have been binned but its getting to a mockery stage now. if they are going to keep it it should be tweaked that you must take a shot or that the ball must go forward.

[Itchy]

If there's a silver-lining to yesterday's performance it's that Armagh put on an exhibition on why the attacking mark should be ditched. Such a stupid rule.

Odd take. I think the attacking mark works. I also don't know why you would get rid of it because 2 Armagh players didn't have a shot.

not really, ive seen it happen a lot now esp in club games. Players are told take the mark regardless. it's pointless, it actually stops attacking play. it's the safe option, taking a mark and playing it backwards just stupid. it should have been binned but its getting to a mockery stage now. if they are going to keep it it should be tweaked that you must take a shot or that the ball must go forward.

I think your additions to the existing rules would be good. But I would not get rid of the attacking mark.

[Sandy Hill]

At what stage of the game did Jarly Óg take the mark?

[square_ball]

That's both his and Campbells in the one play. Campbell had missed a slightly easier one by a country mile earlier in the 2nd half.

https://x.com/cahairokane1/status/1789950367871947054?s=46

[statto]

If there's a silver-lining to yesterday's performance it's that Armagh put on an exhibition on why the attacking mark should be ditched. Such a stupid rule.

Odd take. I think the attacking mark works. I also don't know why you would get rid of it because 2 Armagh players didn't have a shot.

Why does it work? It stops players from taking a man on and the art of 1 v 1 defending in many instances. I think the general concensus would be that the majority would like to see a player take his man on as that is what gets punters off their seats, not someone being able to take a free shot at goal or worse slow down the attack then kick it back. 

[Blowitupref]

Attacking mark has added little or nothing to the game and would be one of the first rules I'd get rid of.

[tonto1888]

I'm not against the attacking mark but think it needs tweaked. A wee pump pass into the 45 should not result in a free kick at goal

[Orior]

Kieran McGeeney has now had 10 years in charge of Armagh with talented enough players. Not even winning ONE Ulster title is embarrassing. It's an ongoing culture of abject failure. Just as how Mayo will continue to not win an AI title until perennial chokers Aidan O'Shea and Cillian O'Connor are excised from that panel, Armagh CAN'T succeed until McGeeney is removed.

You can't be sure about that. If McGeeney had left years ago we could be playing Tailteann Cup. Bear in mine it has been a long time since we had success at any underage, so we're making best out of our limited resources.

[Captain Obvious]

Armagh fold again on Penalties, Why was Rian O'Neil taken off. Awful way to lose a game. Some Armagh supporters argue that's that a draw! 4 point up with 20 mins to go, Armagh went bck into their shell instead pushing on.

This time Armagh did not fold, good save to win it. Rian couldn't walk at full time, physio was working on him he had run out of gas. Why Oisin doesn't start or come in earlier is a mystery. But Donaghy telling Jarly Og to recycle a mark that was scoreable  points to a mindset that leads to losing games. Twice at least they had the game won and then stopped doing what was working for them. Players running into dead ends and not taking opportunities points to that  same mindset. Something needs to change, if not McGeeney then the back room. They need a change of direction. Some incredible scores yesterday from both teams, fair play Donegal they found a a way.

Folding in penalty shootout not sure about that however game was certainly there to be won by Armagh in normal time and extra time and will look back on that with much regret.

I thought the last two Armagh penalties weren't good ones.  Patton unlucky he didn't save one before he did save one to win the shoot out.  By that stage it was coming down to fellas that didn't want to take penalties.