Ulster Senior football championship 2024

Started by Blowitupref, April 01, 2024, 09:26:07 PM

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Who will win the 2024 Ulster title

Donegal
27 (56.3%)
Armagh
21 (43.8%)

Total Members Voted: 48

Voting closed: April 27, 2024, 08:54:31 PM

Saffron_sam20

Quote from: Itchy on May 13, 2024, 11:51:11 AM
Quote from: general_lee on May 13, 2024, 11:00:56 AMIf there's a silver-lining to yesterday's performance it's that Armagh put on an exhibition on why the attacking mark should be ditched. Such a stupid rule.

Odd take. I think the attacking mark works. I also don't know why you would get rid of it because 2 Armagh players didn't have a shot.

not really, ive seen it happen a lot now esp in club games. Players are told take the mark regardless. it's pointless, it actually stops attacking play. it's the safe option, taking a mark and playing it backwards just stupid. it should have been binned but its getting to a mockery stage now. if they are going to keep it it should be tweaked that you must take a shot or that the ball must go forward.

Sandy Hill

Quote from: Saffron_sam20 on May 13, 2024, 12:29:27 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 13, 2024, 11:51:11 AM
Quote from: general_lee on May 13, 2024, 11:00:56 AMIf there's a silver-lining to yesterday's performance it's that Armagh put on an exhibition on why the attacking mark should be ditched. Such a stupid rule.

Odd take. I think the attacking mark works. I also don't know why you would get rid of it because 2 Armagh players didn't have a shot.

not really, ive seen it happen a lot now esp in club games. Players are told take the mark regardless. it's pointless, it actually stops attacking play. it's the safe option, taking a mark and playing it backwards just stupid. it should have been binned but its getting to a mockery stage now. if they are going to keep it it should be tweaked that you must take a shot or that the ball must go forward.
"Stercus accidit"

Itchy

Quote from: Saffron_sam20 on May 13, 2024, 12:29:27 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 13, 2024, 11:51:11 AM
Quote from: general_lee on May 13, 2024, 11:00:56 AMIf there's a silver-lining to yesterday's performance it's that Armagh put on an exhibition on why the attacking mark should be ditched. Such a stupid rule.

Odd take. I think the attacking mark works. I also don't know why you would get rid of it because 2 Armagh players didn't have a shot.

not really, ive seen it happen a lot now esp in club games. Players are told take the mark regardless. it's pointless, it actually stops attacking play. it's the safe option, taking a mark and playing it backwards just stupid. it should have been binned but its getting to a mockery stage now. if they are going to keep it it should be tweaked that you must take a shot or that the ball must go forward.

I think your additions to the existing rules would be good. But I would not get rid of the attacking mark.

Sandy Hill

At what stage of the game did Jarly Óg take the mark?
"Stercus accidit"

square_ball

That's both his and Campbells in the one play. Campbell had missed a slightly easier one by a country mile earlier in the 2nd half.

https://x.com/cahairokane1/status/1789950367871947054?s=46

statto

Quote from: Itchy on May 13, 2024, 11:51:11 AM
Quote from: general_lee on May 13, 2024, 11:00:56 AMIf there's a silver-lining to yesterday's performance it's that Armagh put on an exhibition on why the attacking mark should be ditched. Such a stupid rule.

Odd take. I think the attacking mark works. I also don't know why you would get rid of it because 2 Armagh players didn't have a shot.
Why does it work? It stops players from taking a man on and the art of 1 v 1 defending in many instances. I think the general concensus would be that the majority would like to see a player take his man on as that is what gets punters off their seats, not someone being able to take a free shot at goal or worse slow down the attack then kick it back. 

Blowitupref

Attacking mark has added little or nothing to the game and would be one of the first rules I'd get rid of.
Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose

tonto1888

I'm not against the attacking mark but think it needs tweaked. A wee pump pass into the 45 should not result in a free kick at goal

Orior

Quote from: SouthDublinBro on May 13, 2024, 12:14:18 AMKieran McGeeney has now had 10 years in charge of Armagh with talented enough players. Not even winning ONE Ulster title is embarrassing. It's an ongoing culture of abject failure. Just as how Mayo will continue to not win an AI title until perennial chokers Aidan O'Shea and Cillian O'Connor are excised from that panel, Armagh CAN'T succeed until McGeeney is removed.

You can't be sure about that. If McGeeney had left years ago we could be playing Tailteann Cup. Bear in mine it has been a long time since we had success at any underage, so we're making best out of our limited resources.
Cover me in chocolate and feed me to the lesbians

Captain Obvious

Quote from: Applesisapples on May 13, 2024, 10:16:19 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 12, 2024, 06:40:40 PMArmagh fold again on Penalties, Why was Rian O'Neil taken off. Awful way to lose a game. Some Armagh supporters argue that's that a draw! 4 point up with 20 mins to go, Armagh went bck into their shell instead pushing on.
This time Armagh did not fold, good save to win it. Rian couldn't walk at full time, physio was working on him he had run out of gas. Why Oisin doesn't start or come in earlier is a mystery. But Donaghy telling Jarly Og to recycle a mark that was scoreable  points to a mindset that leads to losing games. Twice at least they had the game won and then stopped doing what was working for them. Players running into dead ends and not taking opportunities points to that  same mindset. Something needs to change, if not McGeeney then the back room. They need a change of direction. Some incredible scores yesterday from both teams, fair play Donegal they found a a way.

Folding in penalty shootout not sure about that however game was certainly there to be won by Armagh in normal time and extra time and will look back on that with much regret.

I thought the last two Armagh penalties weren't good ones.  Patton unlucky he didn't save one before he did save one to win the shoot out.  By that stage it was coming down to fellas that didn't want to take penalties.

Mikhailov

The dive by Jarly Og was embarrassing to say the least and Armagh get an easy free moved closer after Donegal dispute the referee decision.


Armagh18

Quote from: Mikhailov on May 13, 2024, 01:29:58 PMThe dive by Jarly Og was embarrassing to say the least and Armagh get an easy free moved closer after Donegal dispute the referee decision.


Haven't seen any highlight yet but looked fairly dramatic anyway.

The foul by Rian that he got booked for looked very soft but again would need to see replay.

Itchy

Quote from: statto on May 13, 2024, 12:55:50 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 13, 2024, 11:51:11 AM
Quote from: general_lee on May 13, 2024, 11:00:56 AMIf there's a silver-lining to yesterday's performance it's that Armagh put on an exhibition on why the attacking mark should be ditched. Such a stupid rule.

Odd take. I think the attacking mark works. I also don't know why you would get rid of it because 2 Armagh players didn't have a shot.
Why does it work? It stops players from taking a man on and the art of 1 v 1 defending in many instances. I think the general concensus would be that the majority would like to see a player take his man on as that is what gets punters off their seats, not someone being able to take a free shot at goal or worse slow down the attack then kick it back. 

It does not stop that, you can still take a man on and many teams do. It does stop a man catching a long ball in and getting swamped by 3 defenders and getting turned over.

tonto1888

Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 13, 2024, 01:18:06 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on May 13, 2024, 10:16:19 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 12, 2024, 06:40:40 PMArmagh fold again on Penalties, Why was Rian O'Neil taken off. Awful way to lose a game. Some Armagh supporters argue that's that a draw! 4 point up with 20 mins to go, Armagh went bck into their shell instead pushing on.
This time Armagh did not fold, good save to win it. Rian couldn't walk at full time, physio was working on him he had run out of gas. Why Oisin doesn't start or come in earlier is a mystery. But Donaghy telling Jarly Og to recycle a mark that was scoreable  points to a mindset that leads to losing games. Twice at least they had the game won and then stopped doing what was working for them. Players running into dead ends and not taking opportunities points to that  same mindset. Something needs to change, if not McGeeney then the back room. They need a change of direction. Some incredible scores yesterday from both teams, fair play Donegal they found a a way.

Folding in penalty shootout not sure about that however game was certainly there to be won by Armagh in normal time and extra time and will look back on that with much regret.

I thought the last two Armagh penalties weren't good ones.  Patton unlucky he didn't save one before he did save one to win the shoot out.  By that stage it was coming down to fellas that didn't want to take penalties.

Fellas that didn't want to take penalties? It was the same people taking them. That's one rule which needs to change

thewobbler

Quote from: Itchy on May 13, 2024, 01:36:59 PM
Quote from: statto on May 13, 2024, 12:55:50 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 13, 2024, 11:51:11 AM
Quote from: general_lee on May 13, 2024, 11:00:56 AMIf there's a silver-lining to yesterday's performance it's that Armagh put on an exhibition on why the attacking mark should be ditched. Such a stupid rule.

Odd take. I think the attacking mark works. I also don't know why you would get rid of it because 2 Armagh players didn't have a shot.
Why does it work? It stops players from taking a man on and the art of 1 v 1 defending in many instances. I think the general concensus would be that the majority would like to see a player take his man on as that is what gets punters off their seats, not someone being able to take a free shot at goal or worse slow down the attack then kick it back. 

It does not stop that, you can still take a man on and many teams do. It does stop a man catching a long ball in and getting swamped by 3 defenders and getting turned over.

You might well be the only person in Ireland who's in favour of the forward mark.