RG at arms length

[JoG2]

Legal system = bad
Facebook system = good

Legal system is far from good. If it was the dirtbags in the epstein files wouldn't be walking around.

Some are more equal than others, a tale as old as time itself

[David McKeown]

Wasn't ignored. Is subject to safeguarding checks. Was banned temporarily and ban was overturned. Jarlath decided he should be a poster boy for Game Changer. Keep digging

How and why was the ban overturned. That allegations are still there? What is it about her allegations you don't believe. As long as Gallagher is unable to put these allegations to bed he should be a pariah within the GAA.

Burns shouldn't have had to intervene but a number of clubs disgraced themselves in pursuing and using the services of Gallagher after these allegations surfaced. That's the biggest issue here. What message does that send to victims of domestic violence.

If court wouldn't change your mind, in what way can Gallagher put these to bed?

She has made detailed allegations but they haven't been proven. You ask why people dont find her credible, maybe it's simply that people start from a point of presuming innocence when there has been no history of breaking the law or committing offences. At that point, they are one person's views on an incident(s), that remain her views until they can be proven.

On her allegations, would the family court or other processes RG has went through been privy to NGs medical records to verify the multiple hospital admissions etc?

What age are the children? Are they old enough or eligible to be asked about anything that went on at home to verify her claims? Would this have been part of the aforementioned processes?

In any case where these allegations are made police investigating the case would have got medical notes and records to look for corroboration. They would have been admissible in the family case albeit only if the complainant (as I'll call her out of force of habit) consented. We don't know if they were and were rejected, weren't being relying on for any number of reasons. So it would be wrong to speculate. That said it's another factor that it's perfectly fair to question.

The children would either have been old to have been spoken to directly or would have been spoken to by specialists who would have then done a report. They would almost certainly have been legally represented as well. Again it would be wrong to speculate on what they said.

[David McKeown]

Wasn't ignored. Is subject to safeguarding checks. Was banned temporarily and ban was overturned. Jarlath decided he should be a poster boy for Game Changer. Keep digging

What ban? What was overturned? Be specific please

I assume this is a reference to the original disbarment. When RG stepped down from the Derry role Ulster GAA erroneously believed that he had stepped down from all GAA activities and didn't disbar him. Subsequently they did and the DRA overturned it on the basis that the disbarment rules for male adults were in direct conflict with the official guide.

The GAA undertook to rewrite those rules and had done so when Burns stepped in and undermined them (in my opinion) with what he did. 

[David McKeown]

Legal system = bad
Facebook system = good

Legal system is far from good. If it was the dirtbags in the epstein files wouldn't be walking around.

To paraphrase the famous quotes on democracy. The perfect argument against the legal system is 5 minutes in it. It's the worst form of legal system apart from all the others.

It's a far from perfect system but perfection is an unattainable ideal given the competing demands it has to balance.

Northern Ireland's legal system is particularly well thought of but even then apparently averages a miscarriage of justice a week even in just the crown court. There is good reason why it is an appellate structure.

[Hand of God]

Wasn't ignored. Is subject to safeguarding checks. Was banned temporarily and ban was overturned. Jarlath decided he should be a poster boy for Game Changer. Keep digging

How and why was the ban overturned. That allegations are still there? What is it about her allegations you don't believe. As long as Gallagher is unable to put these allegations to bed he should be a pariah within the GAA.

Burns shouldn't have had to intervene but a number of clubs disgraced themselves in pursuing and using the services of Gallagher after these allegations surfaced. That's the biggest issue here. What message does that send to victims of domestic violence.

If court wouldn't change your mind, in what way can Gallagher put these to bed?

She has made detailed allegations but they haven't been proven. You ask why people dont find her credible, maybe it's simply that people start from a point of presuming innocence when there has been no history of breaking the law or committing offences. At that point, they are one person's views on an incident(s), that remain her views until they can be proven.

On her allegations, would the family court or other processes RG has went through been privy to NGs medical records to verify the multiple hospital admissions etc?

What age are the children? Are they old enough or eligible to be asked about anything that went on at home to verify her claims? Would this have been part of the aforementioned processes?

So you don't think Nicola Gallaghers claims are credible? I'd like to know what your opinion is there.

If there is any inkling that what she says is true then there is no way Gallagher should be involved in the GAA. There is plenty of precedent of sports stars being pretty much banished as a result of allegations made against them which they were either not charged or proven guilty. These were also professionals.

Gylfi Sigurdsson
Mason Greenwood (English FA)
Paddy Jackson (IRFU)

They were pretty much cancelled if you want to use that word, not on the basis of a conviction or a charge but on the basis of the allegations been very credible and that's the way it should be. What sort of message are you sending to victims when alleged abusers are allowed continue with such credible allegations.

Has Gallagher every actually firmly denied the allegations? I'm not aware he has. All I've seen is him hiding behind statements where he references no charges. Has he ever pursued legal action for defamation? Surely if someone falsely accuses you of something so grievous you do all in your power to clear your name.

Gallaghers approach seems to have been that he will take his time and hope that this blows over and it becomes yesterday's news rather than contest the allegations and clear his name.

[Hand of God]

For reference this was Gallaghers initial statement after the allegations emerged.



Full statement

"I have been made aware of a social media post by my estranged wife Nicola Gallagher in which she has made a number of very serious allegations against me.

"Our marriage broke down over four years ago. Those closest to our family are well aware of the reasons for the breakdown of our marriage and the continued issues we have faced since that time.

"Following long running court proceedings in Family Courts in both jurisdictions, I was granted a full Residence Order in respect of our three young children on February 17 2023. This outcome was recommended by social services."

"Allegations against me have been investigated and dealt with by the relevant authorities.

"My focus over the past 4 years has been to protect our children from the ongoing turmoil in our family.

"I have left this matter in the hands of my legal team and ask that the privacy of our family is respected at this time. I will not be making any further public comment on this matter."


No denial of the allegations just reference to investigations and family cases.

He has threatened legal action on Burns and the GAA but I'm not aware of any legal action of the his ex wife who alleged years of sickening violent abuse.

I really can't believe the level some people are going to defend Gallagher still being involved in the GAA.

What is it about Nicola Gallagher's claims you don't find credible?

[JoG2]

You've written War and Peace on this subject a couple of years later in the week or so....it's crystal clear you don't like Gallagher. Thing is, if these allegations were made about someone high profile from say your county or someone you know personally, would you be on this kind of exhaustive personal crusade? This is how the court of Facebook / public opinion is v dangerous. You're too exercised in your hatred of Gallagher to see it.

[David McKeown]

For reference this was Gallaghers initial statement after the allegations emerged.



Full statement

"I have been made aware of a social media post by my estranged wife Nicola Gallagher in which she has made a number of very serious allegations against me.

"Our marriage broke down over four years ago. Those closest to our family are well aware of the reasons for the breakdown of our marriage and the continued issues we have faced since that time.

"Following long running court proceedings in Family Courts in both jurisdictions, I was granted a full Residence Order in respect of our three young children on February 17 2023. This outcome was recommended by social services."

"Allegations against me have been investigated and dealt with by the relevant authorities.

"My focus over the past 4 years has been to protect our children from the ongoing turmoil in our family.

"I have left this matter in the hands of my legal team and ask that the privacy of our family is respected at this time. I will not be making any further public comment on this matter."


No denial of the allegations just reference to investigations and family cases.

He has threatened legal action on Burns and the GAA but I'm not aware of any legal action of the his ex wife who alleged years of sickening violent abuse.

I really can't believe the level some people are going to defend Gallagher still being involved in the GAA.

What is it about Nicola Gallagher's claims you don't find credible?

Im surprised his lawyers even allowed him to say that much given that there was a family case and the potential for being in contempt of court for saying anything further (in fact i think that went too far).

What legal action could he take against his ex wife?  I assume you don't mean for defamation as that couldn't get off the ground as the allegations would be protected speech.

There's nothing I don't find credible i find her claims to be very serious and worthy of investigation.  I also though factor in that either she didn't make them to either police force or she did and they were rejected.  I take all of those factors into account. 

As a result I go back to the point most on here make, the GAA has a procedure in place.  It should be perfected and followed.  It should not be undermined as it has been on this occasion.

[Mario]

For reference this was Gallaghers initial statement after the allegations emerged.



Full statement

"I have been made aware of a social media post by my estranged wife Nicola Gallagher in which she has made a number of very serious allegations against me.

"Our marriage broke down over four years ago. Those closest to our family are well aware of the reasons for the breakdown of our marriage and the continued issues we have faced since that time.

"Following long running court proceedings in Family Courts in both jurisdictions, I was granted a full Residence Order in respect of our three young children on February 17 2023. This outcome was recommended by social services."

"Allegations against me have been investigated and dealt with by the relevant authorities.

"My focus over the past 4 years has been to protect our children from the ongoing turmoil in our family.

"I have left this matter in the hands of my legal team and ask that the privacy of our family is respected at this time. I will not be making any further public comment on this matter."


No denial of the allegations just reference to investigations and family cases.

He has threatened legal action on Burns and the GAA but I'm not aware of any legal action of the his ex wife who alleged years of sickening violent abuse.

I really can't believe the level some people are going to defend Gallagher still being involved in the GAA.

What is it about Nicola Gallagher's claims you don't find credible?

The denial is in this statement

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northern-ireland/rory-gallagher-fully-intends-to-return-to-inter-county-management-A4ZCDFS2DRBIDHJEJRXUDPX3AQ/]https://www.irishnews.com/news/northern-ireland/rory-gallagher-fully-intends-to-return-to-inter-county-management-A4ZCDFS2DRBIDHJEJRXUDPX3AQ/

At all stages of this process, our client has firmly and steadfastly denied his guilt and refuted all the allegations levelled against him

[David McKeown]

Wasn't ignored. Is subject to safeguarding checks. Was banned temporarily and ban was overturned. Jarlath decided he should be a poster boy for Game Changer. Keep digging

How and why was the ban overturned. That allegations are still there? What is it about her allegations you don't believe. As long as Gallagher is unable to put these allegations to bed he should be a pariah within the GAA.

Burns shouldn't have had to intervene but a number of clubs disgraced themselves in pursuing and using the services of Gallagher after these allegations surfaced. That's the biggest issue here. What message does that send to victims of domestic violence.

If court wouldn't change your mind, in what way can Gallagher put these to bed?

She has made detailed allegations but they haven't been proven. You ask why people dont find her credible, maybe it's simply that people start from a point of presuming innocence when there has been no history of breaking the law or committing offences. At that point, they are one person's views on an incident(s), that remain her views until they can be proven.

On her allegations, would the family court or other processes RG has went through been privy to NGs medical records to verify the multiple hospital admissions etc?

What age are the children? Are they old enough or eligible to be asked about anything that went on at home to verify her claims? Would this have been part of the aforementioned processes?

So you don't think Nicola Gallaghers claims are credible? I'd like to know what your opinion is there.

If there is any inkling that what she says is true then there is no way Gallagher should be involved in the GAA. There is plenty of precedent of sports stars being pretty much banished as a result of allegations made against them which they were either not charged or proven guilty. These were also professionals.

Gylfi Sigurdsson
Mason Greenwood (English FA)
Paddy Jackson (IRFU)

They were pretty much cancelled if you want to use that word, not on the basis of a conviction or a charge but on the basis of the allegations been very credible and that's the way it should be. What sort of message are you sending to victims when alleged abusers are allowed continue with such credible allegations.

Has Gallagher every actually firmly denied the allegations? I'm not aware he has. All I've seen is him hiding behind statements where he references no charges. Has he ever pursued legal action for defamation? Surely if someone falsely accuses you of something so grievous you do all in your power to clear your name.

Gallaghers approach seems to have been that he will take his time and hope that this blows over and it becomes yesterday's news rather than contest the allegations and clear his name.

Sigurdson and Greenwood were properly subject to procedurally fair investigations and decisions were made.  I dont think Jackson was although I could be wrong but like with Greenwood their non criminal conduct was so reprehensible that even by itself it justified the IRFU's and Ulster Rugby's, FA and Mann Utd's approaches (delete as appropraite).  That reprehensible conduct was never denied by either man.

[Hand of God]

Wasn't ignored. Is subject to safeguarding checks. Was banned temporarily and ban was overturned. Jarlath decided he should be a poster boy for Game Changer. Keep digging

How and why was the ban overturned. That allegations are still there? What is it about her allegations you don't believe. As long as Gallagher is unable to put these allegations to bed he should be a pariah within the GAA.

Burns shouldn't have had to intervene but a number of clubs disgraced themselves in pursuing and using the services of Gallagher after these allegations surfaced. That's the biggest issue here. What message does that send to victims of domestic violence.

If court wouldn't change your mind, in what way can Gallagher put these to bed?

She has made detailed allegations but they haven't been proven. You ask why people dont find her credible, maybe it's simply that people start from a point of presuming innocence when there has been no history of breaking the law or committing offences. At that point, they are one person's views on an incident(s), that remain her views until they can be proven.

On her allegations, would the family court or other processes RG has went through been privy to NGs medical records to verify the multiple hospital admissions etc?

What age are the children? Are they old enough or eligible to be asked about anything that went on at home to verify her claims? Would this have been part of the aforementioned processes?

So you don't think Nicola Gallaghers claims are credible? I'd like to know what your opinion is there.

If there is any inkling that what she says is true then there is no way Gallagher should be involved in the GAA. There is plenty of precedent of sports stars being pretty much banished as a result of allegations made against them which they were either not charged or proven guilty. These were also professionals.

Gylfi Sigurdsson
Mason Greenwood (English FA)
Paddy Jackson (IRFU)

They were pretty much cancelled if you want to use that word, not on the basis of a conviction or a charge but on the basis of the allegations been very credible and that's the way it should be. What sort of message are you sending to victims when alleged abusers are allowed continue with such credible allegations.

Has Gallagher every actually firmly denied the allegations? I'm not aware he has. All I've seen is him hiding behind statements where he references no charges. Has he ever pursued legal action for defamation? Surely if someone falsely accuses you of something so grievous you do all in your power to clear your name.

Gallaghers approach seems to have been that he will take his time and hope that this blows over and it becomes yesterday's news rather than contest the allegations and clear his name.

Sigurdson and Greenwood were properly subject to procedurally fair investigations and decisions were made.  I dont think Jackson was although I could be wrong but like with Greenwood their non criminal conduct was so reprehensible that even by itself it justified the IRFU's and Ulster Rugby's, FA and Mann Utd's approaches (delete as appropraite).  That reprehensible conduct was never denied by either man.

But they were never proven of doing something.

I really can't stress enough the gravity or what Gallagher has been accused of. Something which I don't actually think I have seen Gallagher explicitly deny or something he hasn't taken legal action although for some reason he is more concerned about suing the GAA over barring him than he is about the person alleging him of these heinous act.

I think Gallagher lacks serious credibility here and given the level of domestic abuse and the list of victims in the north there is no way he should be involved in GAA right now.

At what point do you think he should be barred? A criminal conviction?

We're coming off decades of institutional abuse in the church where people turned a blind eye on allegations and failed to protect victims and shielded the perpetrators. There are many things I disagree with Burns on but I've great respect for his intervention here.

I think it's very disappointing how some people are happy to dismiss these allegations until it's proven certain. This isn't a criminal trial. It's the GAA, it's reputation and it's community role in showing that they take domestic violence seriously and having a profile in the GAA doesn't give you immunity to behave in a certain way.

[Hand of God]

For reference this was Gallaghers initial statement after the allegations emerged.



Full statement

"I have been made aware of a social media post by my estranged wife Nicola Gallagher in which she has made a number of very serious allegations against me.

"Our marriage broke down over four years ago. Those closest to our family are well aware of the reasons for the breakdown of our marriage and the continued issues we have faced since that time.

"Following long running court proceedings in Family Courts in both jurisdictions, I was granted a full Residence Order in respect of our three young children on February 17 2023. This outcome was recommended by social services."

"Allegations against me have been investigated and dealt with by the relevant authorities.

"My focus over the past 4 years has been to protect our children from the ongoing turmoil in our family.

"I have left this matter in the hands of my legal team and ask that the privacy of our family is respected at this time. I will not be making any further public comment on this matter."


No denial of the allegations just reference to investigations and family cases.

He has threatened legal action on Burns and the GAA but I'm not aware of any legal action of the his ex wife who alleged years of sickening violent abuse.

I really can't believe the level some people are going to defend Gallagher still being involved in the GAA.

What is it about Nicola Gallagher's claims you don't find credible?

The denial is in this statement

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northern-ireland/rory-gallagher-fully-intends-to-return-to-inter-county-management-A4ZCDFS2DRBIDHJEJRXUDPX3AQ/]https://www.irishnews.com/news/northern-ireland/rory-gallagher-fully-intends-to-return-to-inter-county-management-A4ZCDFS2DRBIDHJEJRXUDPX3AQ/

At all stages of this process, our client has firmly and steadfastly denied his guilt and refuted all the allegations levelled against him

That link isn't working for me.

The statement you quoted isn't explicit. It's a statement from a solicitor on their client, rather than from their client, that makes references to official investigations rather than the claims publicly made by his ex wife. Gallagher has never denied those allegations to my knowledge.

[Hand of God]

You've written War and Peace on this subject a couple of years later in the week or so....it's crystal clear you don't like Gallagher. Thing is, if these allegations were made about someone high profile from say your county or someone you know personally, would you be on this kind of exhaustive personal crusade? This is how the court of Facebook / public opinion is v dangerous. You're too exercised in your hatred of Gallagher to see it.

I don't hate Gallagher half as much as you seem to detest women.

I'll ask you one simple question.

Why do you dismiss the allegations of Nicola Gallagher so easily? Why do you not see them as credible? You will go to the end of the earths to defend Gallagher but you will not tell us why you don't think his ex wife was a victim.

It's very interesting that you actually address the allegations but will the defend Gallagher. Very interesting.

[Hand of God]

Thing is, if these allegations were made about someone high profile from say your county or someone you know personally, would you be on this kind of exhaustive personal crusade?

Btw this is the single most reprehensible thing I've read on here.

You're putting on county colours in this. If it was Peter Canavan accused of this with the same credibility I would view it in the exact same way. I actually thought Gallagher was one of the top coaches in the game before this.

You really are from the gutter.

[JoG2]

Jeez lad, take a breather. That's some seriously over the top replying

I've dismissed nothing. I've had my spake on this previously, wouldn't be hard to find and my position on Gallagher