Man Utd Thread:

[brokencrossbar1]

I can imagine it is hard to take,  particularly with talk that it OT is going to be renamed the 0 3 Arena!

First I heard of that!

Source?

Not quick enough it seems!!!!

I can imagine it is hard to take,  particularly with talk that it OT is going to be renamed the 0 3 Arena!

Theatre of Dreams(for away teams)

Threeatre of Dreams was another name mooted!

[laoislad]

I can imagine it is hard to take,  particularly with talk that it OT is going to be renamed the 0 3 Arena!

First I heard of that!

Source?

[brokencrossbar1]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/david-moyes-excuse-generator-6878036

Here is something to keep people busy this morning!!!

[quit yo jibbajabba]

I can imagine it is hard to take,  particularly with talk that it OT is going to be renamed the 0 3 Arena!

First I heard of that!

Source?

beautiful. just beautiful. ec unique, the gift that keeps on giving

[EC Unique]

I need to rest my head

[laoislad]

I can imagine it is hard to take,  particularly with talk that it OT is going to be renamed the 0 3 Arena!

First I heard of that!

Source?

Not quick enough it seems!!!!

I can imagine it is hard to take,  particularly with talk that it OT is going to be renamed the 0 3 Arena!

Theatre of Dreams(for away teams)

Threeatre of Dreams was another name mooted!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL6PcEC8Hzk

[brokencrossbar1]

I need to rest my head

I have to say I am proud of my catch today...it was

[rodney trotter]

While I'm enjoying Man Utd's current woes - not so much last night, really could have done with them getting a result - I wouldn't sneer at fans who have 'had enough'. The problem here is entirely down to Moyes. Anyone could do better than he is doing. For Christ's  sake, Bayern replaced their all-conquering manager in the summer and got better. If a couple of players are swinging the lead, the problem is the players in question. If most of the players are swinging the lead, the problem is the manager. How much more evidence do the Man Utd board need that he isn't up to it? (I look forward to finding out)

Don't agree with that at all. If he is not up to the job (as he may well be) then questions need to be asked of those who appointed him and their judgement ie Alex Ferguson. Part of the reason that the fans in the stadium haven't turned more forcefully on Moyes is because it was Ferguson who appointed Moyes and told them to 'stand by their manager'. If it had been the Glazers that had appointed Moyes he would have been gone by Christmas. Therefore can you imagine the next manager appointed who in all likelihood WON'T have the backing of Ferguson and will be perceived to have been a GLAZER appointment. He will get a lot less leeway yet will still have a rotting squad with a multitude of deficiencies. God knows where this will end up as they have spent £65m already yet have got worse as the season has gone on. They need to spend big in the summer which if it isn't got right, could put the whole future of the club in jeopardy given the debt levels that already exist. 

They won the league by 11 points last year FFS!

I did not really expect Moyes to come in and win the league but the least Utd fans expect is a top 4 finish. You can say what you want about aging players etc but that squad should be good enough to make the top 4 when the likes of Arsenal and Liverpool are currently there.

Yes they won the league by 11 points but it was largely due to the aura of Ferguson and the way he controlled players, media, officials and the powers that be. I think even the most ardent of Man Utd fans would concede that the midfield was way below the standard required to compete at the top level. An Ageing Giggs and a retired Scholes only worsened this. Ferdinand, Vidic and Evra have been huge problems all season due to a combination of age and/or loss of desire.

Arsenal are in the top 4 but have had their own problems this season and are not much better than Man Utd in terms of player quality imo. Liverpool similarly are not that much better in terms of player quality (though they are better) but have got an improving (largely) young squad and have Luis Suarez who has propelled them up the table almost single handedly. I have my doubts over whether Moyes is capable of handling the pressure at Man Utd but he needs time to lick his wounds in the summer, try to re-evaluate and revamp the squad in the summer and then judge him at the end of next season. All I'm simply saying is that he was given an impossible job so for him to bear the brunt of the blame is misplaced imo.   

Would agree with most of that.

[orangeman]

Brilliant.

[ballinaman]

Brilliant.

I hope local stretty end fans behind him fcuked him out of it....

[supersub]

While I'm enjoying Man Utd's current woes - not so much last night, really could have done with them getting a result - I wouldn't sneer at fans who have 'had enough'. The problem here is entirely down to Moyes. Anyone could do better than he is doing. For Christ's  sake, Bayern replaced their all-conquering manager in the summer and got better. If a couple of players are swinging the lead, the problem is the players in question. If most of the players are swinging the lead, the problem is the manager. How much more evidence do the Man Utd board need that he isn't up to it? (I look forward to finding out)

Don't agree with that at all. If he is not up to the job (as he may well be) then questions need to be asked of those who appointed him and their judgement ie Alex Ferguson. Part of the reason that the fans in the stadium haven't turned more forcefully on Moyes is because it was Ferguson who appointed Moyes and told them to 'stand by their manager'. If it had been the Glazers that had appointed Moyes he would have been gone by Christmas. Therefore can you imagine the next manager appointed who in all likelihood WON'T have the backing of Ferguson and will be perceived to have been a GLAZER appointment. He will get a lot less leeway yet will still have a rotting squad with a multitude of deficiencies. God knows where this will end up as they have spent £65m already yet have got worse as the season has gone on. They need to spend big in the summer which if it isn't got right, could put the whole future of the club in jeopardy given the debt levels that already exist. 

They won the league by 11 points last year FFS!

I did not really expect Moyes to come in and win the league but the least Utd fans expect is a top 4 finish. You can say what you want about aging players etc but that squad should be good enough to make the top 4 when the likes of Arsenal and Liverpool are currently there.

Yes they won the league by 11 points but it was largely due to the aura of Ferguson and the way he controlled players, media, officials and the powers that be. I think even the most ardent of Man Utd fans would concede that the midfield was way below the standard required to compete at the top level. An Ageing Giggs and a retired Scholes only worsened this. Ferdinand, Vidic and Evra have been huge problems all season due to a combination of age and/or loss of desire.

Arsenal are in the top 4 but have had their own problems this season and are not much better than Man Utd in terms of player quality imo. Liverpool similarly are not that much better in terms of player quality (though they are better) but have got an improving (largely) young squad and have Luis Suarez who has propelled them up the table almost single handedly. I have my doubts over whether Moyes is capable of handling the pressure at Man Utd but he needs time to lick his wounds in the summer, try to re-evaluate and revamp the squad in the summer and then judge him at the end of next season. All I'm simply saying is that he was given an impossible job so for him to bear the brunt of the blame is misplaced imo.   

Would agree with most of that.

Let's be honest it was largely to do with RVP - he basically won them the league last season! Obviously Fergie factor is in there too but RVP won them huge points throughout the season.

[yellowcard]

While I'm enjoying Man Utd's current woes - not so much last night, really could have done with them getting a result - I wouldn't sneer at fans who have 'had enough'. The problem here is entirely down to Moyes. Anyone could do better than he is doing. For Christ's  sake, Bayern replaced their all-conquering manager in the summer and got better. If a couple of players are swinging the lead, the problem is the players in question. If most of the players are swinging the lead, the problem is the manager. How much more evidence do the Man Utd board need that he isn't up to it? (I look forward to finding out)

Don't agree with that at all. If he is not up to the job (as he may well be) then questions need to be asked of those who appointed him and their judgement ie Alex Ferguson. Part of the reason that the fans in the stadium haven't turned more forcefully on Moyes is because it was Ferguson who appointed Moyes and told them to 'stand by their manager'. If it had been the Glazers that had appointed Moyes he would have been gone by Christmas. Therefore can you imagine the next manager appointed who in all likelihood WON'T have the backing of Ferguson and will be perceived to have been a GLAZER appointment. He will get a lot less leeway yet will still have a rotting squad with a multitude of deficiencies. God knows where this will end up as they have spent £65m already yet have got worse as the season has gone on. They need to spend big in the summer which if it isn't got right, could put the whole future of the club in jeopardy given the debt levels that already exist. 

They won the league by 11 points last year FFS!

I did not really expect Moyes to come in and win the league but the least Utd fans expect is a top 4 finish. You can say what you want about aging players etc but that squad should be good enough to make the top 4 when the likes of Arsenal and Liverpool are currently there.

Yes they won the league by 11 points but it was largely due to the aura of Ferguson and the way he controlled players, media, officials and the powers that be. I think even the most ardent of Man Utd fans would concede that the midfield was way below the standard required to compete at the top level. An Ageing Giggs and a retired Scholes only worsened this. Ferdinand, Vidic and Evra have been huge problems all season due to a combination of age and/or loss of desire.

Arsenal are in the top 4 but have had their own problems this season and are not much better than Man Utd in terms of player quality imo. Liverpool similarly are not that much better in terms of player quality (though they are better) but have got an improving (largely) young squad and have Luis Suarez who has propelled them up the table almost single handedly. I have my doubts over whether Moyes is capable of handling the pressure at Man Utd but he needs time to lick his wounds in the summer, try to re-evaluate and revamp the squad in the summer and then judge him at the end of next season. All I'm simply saying is that he was given an impossible job so for him to bear the brunt of the blame is misplaced imo.   

Would agree with most of that.

Let's be honest it was largely to do with RVP - he basically won them the league last season! Obviously Fergie factor is in there too but RVP won them huge points throughout the season.

Yes he was the biggest factor on the field of play. He has been half arsed this season yet is still their top scorer by quite a bit.

A lot of players in the dressing room must have been perplexed by the Rooney contract. That was plain ridiculous and will create huge problems when trying to negotiate new contracts with potential signings. Rooney's reputation is much greater than his talent ans it smacked of desperation to appease the fans during bleak times, similarly with the Mata signing.

[NAG1]

While I'm enjoying Man Utd's current woes - not so much last night, really could have done with them getting a result - I wouldn't sneer at fans who have 'had enough'. The problem here is entirely down to Moyes. Anyone could do better than he is doing. For Christ's  sake, Bayern replaced their all-conquering manager in the summer and got better. If a couple of players are swinging the lead, the problem is the players in question. If most of the players are swinging the lead, the problem is the manager. How much more evidence do the Man Utd board need that he isn't up to it? (I look forward to finding out)

Don't agree with that at all. If he is not up to the job (as he may well be) then questions need to be asked of those who appointed him and their judgement ie Alex Ferguson. Part of the reason that the fans in the stadium haven't turned more forcefully on Moyes is because it was Ferguson who appointed Moyes and told them to 'stand by their manager'. If it had been the Glazers that had appointed Moyes he would have been gone by Christmas. Therefore can you imagine the next manager appointed who in all likelihood WON'T have the backing of Ferguson and will be perceived to have been a GLAZER appointment. He will get a lot less leeway yet will still have a rotting squad with a multitude of deficiencies. God knows where this will end up as they have spent £65m already yet have got worse as the season has gone on. They need to spend big in the summer which if it isn't got right, could put the whole future of the club in jeopardy given the debt levels that already exist. 

They won the league by 11 points last year FFS!

I did not really expect Moyes to come in and win the league but the least Utd fans expect is a top 4 finish. You can say what you want about aging players etc but that squad should be good enough to make the top 4 when the likes of Arsenal and Liverpool are currently there.

Yes they won the league by 11 points but it was largely due to the aura of Ferguson and the way he controlled players, media, officials and the powers that be. I think even the most ardent of Man Utd fans would concede that the midfield was way below the standard required to compete at the top level. An Ageing Giggs and a retired Scholes only worsened this. Ferdinand, Vidic and Evra have been huge problems all season due to a combination of age and/or loss of desire.

Arsenal are in the top 4 but have had their own problems this season and are not much better than Man Utd in terms of player quality imo. Liverpool similarly are not that much better in terms of player quality (though they are better) but have got an improving (largely) young squad and have Luis Suarez who has propelled them up the table almost single handedly. I have my doubts over whether Moyes is capable of handling the pressure at Man Utd but he needs time to lick his wounds in the summer, try to re-evaluate and revamp the squad in the summer and then judge him at the end of next season. All I'm simply saying is that he was given an impossible job so for him to bear the brunt of the blame is misplaced imo.   

Would agree with most of that.

Let's be honest it was largely to do with RVP - he basically won them the league last season! Obviously Fergie factor is in there too but RVP won them huge points throughout the season.

Yes he was the biggest factor on the field of play. He has been half arsed this season yet is still their top scorer by quite a bit.

A lot of players in the dressing room must have been perplexed by the Rooney contract. That was plain ridiculous and will create huge problems when trying to negotiate new contracts with potential signings. Rooney's reputation is much greater than his talent ans it smacked of desperation to appease the fans during bleak times, similarly with the Mata signing.

I dont get this why does it cause problems for other players within the squad?

Rooney is the best player in the squad most consistent performer all through the season, so if he gets a good contract would the other players not think, well fk it if he gets it for playing well I need to do the same to get a big contract?

[Milltown Row2]

While I'm enjoying Man Utd's current woes - not so much last night, really could have done with them getting a result - I wouldn't sneer at fans who have 'had enough'. The problem here is entirely down to Moyes. Anyone could do better than he is doing. For Christ's  sake, Bayern replaced their all-conquering manager in the summer and got better. If a couple of players are swinging the lead, the problem is the players in question. If most of the players are swinging the lead, the problem is the manager. How much more evidence do the Man Utd board need that he isn't up to it? (I look forward to finding out)

Don't agree with that at all. If he is not up to the job (as he may well be) then questions need to be asked of those who appointed him and their judgement ie Alex Ferguson. Part of the reason that the fans in the stadium haven't turned more forcefully on Moyes is because it was Ferguson who appointed Moyes and told them to 'stand by their manager'. If it had been the Glazers that had appointed Moyes he would have been gone by Christmas. Therefore can you imagine the next manager appointed who in all likelihood WON'T have the backing of Ferguson and will be perceived to have been a GLAZER appointment. He will get a lot less leeway yet will still have a rotting squad with a multitude of deficiencies. God knows where this will end up as they have spent £65m already yet have got worse as the season has gone on. They need to spend big in the summer which if it isn't got right, could put the whole future of the club in jeopardy given the debt levels that already exist. 

They won the league by 11 points last year FFS!

I did not really expect Moyes to come in and win the league but the least Utd fans expect is a top 4 finish. You can say what you want about aging players etc but that squad should be good enough to make the top 4 when the likes of Arsenal and Liverpool are currently there.

Yes they won the league by 11 points but it was largely due to the aura of Ferguson and the way he controlled players, media, officials and the powers that be. I think even the most ardent of Man Utd fans would concede that the midfield was way below the standard required to compete at the top level. An Ageing Giggs and a retired Scholes only worsened this. Ferdinand, Vidic and Evra have been huge problems all season due to a combination of age and/or loss of desire.

Arsenal are in the top 4 but have had their own problems this season and are not much better than Man Utd in terms of player quality imo. Liverpool similarly are not that much better in terms of player quality (though they are better) but have got an improving (largely) young squad and have Luis Suarez who has propelled them up the table almost single handedly. I have my doubts over whether Moyes is capable of handling the pressure at Man Utd but he needs time to lick his wounds in the summer, try to re-evaluate and revamp the squad in the summer and then judge him at the end of next season. All I'm simply saying is that he was given an impossible job so for him to bear the brunt of the blame is misplaced imo.   

Would agree with most of that.

Let's be honest it was largely to do with RVP - he basically won them the league last season! Obviously Fergie factor is in there too but RVP won them huge points throughout the season.

Yes he was the biggest factor on the field of play. He has been half arsed this season yet is still their top scorer by quite a bit.

A lot of players in the dressing room must have been perplexed by the Rooney contract. That was plain ridiculous and will create huge problems when trying to negotiate new contracts with potential signings. Rooney's reputation is much greater than his talent ans it smacked of desperation to appease the fans during bleak times, similarly with the Mata signing.

I dont get this why does it cause problems for other players within the squad?

Rooney is the best player in the squad most consistent performer all through the season, so if he gets a good contract would the other players not think, well fk it if he gets it for playing well I need to do the same to get a big contract?

Agreed, if the other players put the same shift in as Rooney then there would be no problems, It's actually laughable that anyone would consider why he would get the same money as other lads on the pitch. Mata needs to be put into the right position, Rooney and Mata look for themselves all the time (possibly because the other players are in such poor form). No confidence and possibly they are not used to whatever system Moyes has brought in, I'd like to know what that system is FFS!!

Season seems to be down to how Liverpool do against the other 2 teams, I've a £5 on Liverpool at 16/1 so it will help with the long closed season Still think they need to grab this chance otherwise it won't come along next year, Chelsea and City will buy big players on the back of the World Cup that's for sure, Utd and Liverpool will get the left overs

[seafoid]

While I'm enjoying Man Utd's current woes - not so much last night, really could have done with them getting a result - I wouldn't sneer at fans who have 'had enough'. The problem here is entirely down to Moyes. Anyone could do better than he is doing. For Christ's  sake, Bayern replaced their all-conquering manager in the summer and got better. If a couple of players are swinging the lead, the problem is the players in question. If most of the players are swinging the lead, the problem is the manager. How much more evidence do the Man Utd board need that he isn't up to it? (I look forward to finding out)

Seriously your not comparing Bayern's squad to Man Utd? Bayern won the treble last season so to say they have got better is both subjective and premature. They have to prove that by winning the CL again. Ferguson could see what was coming and got out at the right time for him. He massively over achieved with this group of players over the last few years largely due to the force of his personality and the fear factor that he brought upon his players, officials, media and the powers that be in the English game. Those factors cannot be measured but were an undoubted part of what made him successful.

No, I am not comparing their squads. Bayern change manager and get better. Man Utd change manager and get worse. Do you think Man Utd would be in their current pickle if Guardiola was in charge?

Guardiola decide not to take the Utd job. He probably had a good look under the bonnet.