Fermanagh v Derry - Ulster Football Championship Quarter-Final, Sat 15th April

[marty34]

Gallagher's celebrations are always a bit mad. Not just today, even though today was particularly strange seeing as it was against his own county, and how it wasn't as if they were getting it tight.

It is very rare to see a manager celebrate goals the way he does. You could see through it if it was a winning goal in the dying seconds but it's every goal, including goals that put them 2 up in the first 10 minutes.

It is really strange behaviour.

Does he live in Donegal?

[God14]

Said it before. Rory is a one trick pony, very classless and it showed today. Same system as Donegal when he managed them, they have a few years left at this system but ultimately they will fail as its too difficult to maintain. Also the system relies on direction from Rory, not trusting the players to change it up as required.

Tell me how the Derry setup differs from pretty much every other county in the country...? Start with Tyrone sure

Derry are playing identical to Tyrone 2016 to 2017
We never won ulster titles as easily, yet were never as easily swatted aside in HQ
Mugsy detailed it well, you need one style of play to do well in ulster and an entirely different one to do well in the AI series. Derry will never be brave enough to challenge for Sam
Specific examples of that: the captain mckaigie is a poor footballer, extremely limited. Derry wax lyrically about him. When did he last score a point from play? Would Tyrone have won Sam with Mckaigie in place of McNamee or Hampsey or McKernan?
Remember each of them scored from play in the semi final against Kerry. Small margins

[Walter Cronc]

Said it before. Rory is a one trick pony, very classless and it showed today. Same system as Donegal when he managed them, they have a few years left at this system but ultimately they will fail as its too difficult to maintain. Also the system relies on direction from Rory, not trusting the players to change it up as required.

Tell me how the Derry setup differs from pretty much every other county in the country...? Start with Tyrone sure

Easy. You don't see any other manger in the country roaring instructions at every second at their players. Shows he doesn't trust his players and also shows he wants it all about him. Also not every team rely solely on their starting 15, you seen what happened when glass went off against Dublin, Derry fell apart.

Tyrone can vary their attack by drifting in Con or Brian into the full forward for a long ball attack or via McCurry or canavan. Derrys attack relies on a pre set game plan.

Derry same as Donegal under Rory and Jim rely on their team getting ahead and keeping the lead. Derry can't claw back from behind as other top teams can.

Lol Con and Brian. 2 grafters. We'll see how good they are against Glass and Rogers. Kennedy won't have the legs.

[JoG2]

Said it before. Rory is a one trick pony, very classless and it showed today. Same system as Donegal when he managed them, they have a few years left at this system but ultimately they will fail as its too difficult to maintain. Also the system relies on direction from Rory, not trusting the players to change it up as required.

Tell me how the Derry setup differs from pretty much every other county in the country...? Start with Tyrone sure

Easy. You don't see any other manger in the country roaring instructions at every second at their players. Shows he doesn't trust his players and also shows he wants it all about him. Also not every team rely solely on their starting 15, you seen what happened when glass went off against Dublin, Derry fell apart.

Tyrone can vary their attack by drifting in Con or Brian into the full forward for a long ball attack or via McCurry or canavan. Derrys attack relies on a pre set game plan.

Derry same as Donegal under Rory and Jim rely on their team getting ahead and keeping the lead. Derry can't claw back from behind as other top teams can.

Not easy then. Derry will leave a forward up the pitch from time to time, so that will fall into the 'varying the attack' as is rotating half backs into the forward area, also varying the attack. Gallagher may roar non stop but its more a nervous tick like the spitting than anything else. Most of the time the players don't even look in his direction when he's shouting at them
So, the lazy narrative is to say the Derry way when it's the way every county plays the game these days.
Derry 'clawed' their way back twice against Donegal in the Ulster final and against Dublin from 5 points down @ Celtic Park. Again, lazy analysis.

[JoG2]

Said it before. Rory is a one trick pony, very classless and it showed today. Same system as Donegal when he managed them, they have a few years left at this system but ultimately they will fail as its too difficult to maintain. Also the system relies on direction from Rory, not trusting the players to change it up as required.

Tell me how the Derry setup differs from pretty much every other county in the country...? Start with Tyrone sure

Derry are playing identical to Tyrone 2016 to 2017
We never won ulster titles as easily, yet were never as easily swatted aside in HQ
Mugsy detailed it well, you need one style of play to do well in ulster and an entirely different one to do well in the AI series. Derry will never be brave enough to challenge for Sam
Specific examples of that: the captain mckaigie is a poor footballer, extremely limited. Derry wax lyrically about him. When did he last score a point from play? Would Tyrone have won Sam with Mckaigie in place of McNamee or Hampsey or McKernan?
Remember each of them scored from play in the semi final against Kerry. Small margins

McKaigue, poor? The nerves are showing in Tyrone and youse haven't beat Monaghan yet! 

[Derryman forever]

Said it before. Rory is a one trick pony, very classless and it showed today. Same system as Donegal when he managed them, they have a few years left at this system but ultimately they will fail as its too difficult to maintain. Also the system relies on direction from Rory, not trusting the players to change it up as required.

Tell me how the Derry setup differs from pretty much every other county in the country...? Start with Tyrone sure

Easy. You don't see any other manger in the country roaring instructions at every second at their players. Shows he doesn't trust his players and also shows he wants it all about him. Also not every team rely solely on their starting 15, you seen what happened when glass went off against Dublin, Derry fell apart.

Tyrone can vary their attack by drifting in Con or Brian into the full forward for a long ball attack or via McCurry or canavan. Derrys attack relies on a pre set game plan.

Derry same as Donegal under Rory and Jim rely on their team getting ahead and keeping the lead. Derry can't claw back from behind as other top teams can.

Derry attack relys on a pre set game plan?  11 different scorers,  that's impressive.
They didn't go 6 points down to Dublin in celtic park either.
I don't think Derry will win Sam this year but they are a young team , I can live in hope.

And let's see Gallagher is not a good manager because he spits on his hands , directs his players vocally, I'd imagine they can't hear him most of the time any way, and he wears his heart on his sleeve in the celebrations when they score.

Having brought 3 different counties to an Ulster final and winning one of them,  taking a totally  demoralised county from div 4 to div 1 and picking up a provincial and AI semi on the way doesn't count.

Yep I can see the logic in all that.

[Champion The Wonder Horse]

11 starters scored from play today. Do we win a prize?

Half of FermGael's household happy with the result.

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

Yeah, you've won the "fcuk all" use prize, but sure 'twill be grand. 😉

[p3427977]

Here Rory stop celebrating goals. You're upsetting a few lads.

[Champion The Wonder Horse]

Yeah, you've won the "fcuk all" use prize, but sure 'twill be grand. 😉

It's a strange one, Fear. There's merit in either Derry or Tyrone losing the upcoming derby. Bit like 2001.

[screenexile]

A lot of lazy stuff being said about Derry. "Can't chase a lead". Well we were well behind against Tyrone in the McKenna cup and came back to draw... well behind against the Dubs and came back to win. We were behind against Donegal in the Ulster Final a few times as well and came back to win.

As for Chrissy McKaigue being limited and not able to score?? This will maybe jog your memory...

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0211/851902-st-vincents-v-slaughtneill/

He's older now and has a much different role so I'm not too worried about him we're a better team defensively when he's there!

I think we're a step below the top 4 teams and somewhere among the Tyrone/Armagh/Roscommon/Monaghans which is phenomenal given where we were recently. I don't think we'll win an All Ireland but we've a young team who will be experiencing top level football for the next 2 years which I think can take us on to that next level.

Hopeful for this season but we're still more than capable of getting beat by Monaghan or that shower over the mountain.

When we get beat by whoever you'll hear cries of "the Derry experiment doesn't work" while people neglect to realise that it's already worked and we're back among the top 10 teams in the country again!

[Silver hill]

Said it before. Rory is a one trick pony, very classless and it showed today. Same system as Donegal when he managed them, they have a few years left at this system but ultimately they will fail as its too difficult to maintain. Also the system relies on direction from Rory, not trusting the players to change it up as required.

Tell me how the Derry setup differs from pretty much every other county in the country...? Start with Tyrone sure

Easy. You don't see any other manger in the country roaring instructions at every second at their players. Shows he doesn't trust his players and also shows he wants it all about him. Also not every team rely solely on their starting 15, you seen what happened when glass went off against Dublin, Derry fell apart.

Tyrone can vary their attack by drifting in Con or Brian into the full forward for a long ball attack or via McCurry or canavan. Derrys attack relies on a pre set game plan.

Derry same as Donegal under Rory and Jim rely on their team getting ahead and keeping the lead. Derry can't claw back from behind as other top teams can.

Derry attack relys on a pre set game plan?  11 different scorers,  that's impressive.
They didn't go 6 points down to Dublin in celtic park either.
I don't think Derry will win Sam this year but they are a young team , I can live in hope.

And let's see Gallagher is not a good manager because he spits on his hands , directs his players vocally, I'd imagine they can't hear him most of the time any way, and he wears his heart on his sleeve in the celebrations when they score.

Having brought 3 different counties to an Ulster final and winning one of them,  taking a totally  demoralised county from div 4 to div 1 and picking up a provincial and AI semi on the way doesn't count.

Yep I can see the logic in all that.

He didn't manage Derry from div 4 to 1.

[ONeill]

You take any of the top sides in Ireland, bar Derry, and ask them who do they not want to meet. Derry will be high up on all lists.

[Armagh18]

Said it before. Rory is a one trick pony, very classless and it showed today. Same system as Donegal when he managed them, they have a few years left at this system but ultimately they will fail as its too difficult to maintain. Also the system relies on direction from Rory, not trusting the players to change it up as required.

Tell me how the Derry setup differs from pretty much every other county in the country...? Start with Tyrone sure

Derry are playing identical to Tyrone 2016 to 2017
We never won ulster titles as easily, yet were never as easily swatted aside in HQ
Mugsy detailed it well, you need one style of play to do well in ulster and an entirely different one to do well in the AI series. Derry will never be brave enough to challenge for Sam
Specific examples of that: the captain mckaigie is a poor footballer, extremely limited. Derry wax lyrically about him. When did he last score a point from play? Would Tyrone have won Sam with Mckaigie in place of McNamee or Hampsey or McKernan?
Remember each of them scored from play in the semi final against Kerry. Small margins

Must be one of the worst takes I've seen on here in a while.

[Champion The Wonder Horse]

I thought BBC coverage was superb today.