There are 9 genders in Ireland now. Imagine

[seafoid]

Before the second world war 2 institutions in particular divided the people- Tammany Hall and the Ku Klux Klan. Neither survived into the 50s.
They were broken by a united working class.
Because the economic system changed.
Trans will probably be the same. There will be infertile women in their 40s  with male chests   and people will wonder what happened.

[burdizzo]

Live and let live. Some lads on here strike me as the type that only have sex with socks on and the lights off

No problem but when someone with a c**k wants to play in my daughters ladies football team, I think we can all agree that is wrong. The clue is in the title. LADIES football.
"What a point from Dave. She taking her marker Mary to the cleaners. Little know fact... she also has a penis"

Charming.

Let's just hope for their sake that it's not your child or grandchild who has to deal with gender identity issues.

I know 4 kids who are supposedly transgender

I hate to say but from my vantage point it's just oddball kids looking for attention and acceptance


One  kid is a complete weirdo who was adopted and went completely off the rails when his parents got divorced. Before he became transgender he was stalking and harassing elderly neighbors at nighttime wearing a mask (pre pandemic) Very disturbing behavior

I accept people who want to transition. Whatever floats your boat. Go for it. But it's this nonsense of non binary and them/those pronouns. And then when Men want to compete in Women's sport. I draw a hard line at that point. It's children who have been over indulged and have developed a mental problem.

Like I said, let's hope for their sake it never arrives on your doorstep.

Correct

But I hate to say that in at least two of the cases I know of,  the parents actively encouraged this behavior in an effort to bring attention to themselves and get plaudits on social media

Exactly. Responsible parenting would cut a lot of it out. I personally only know one 'trans' teenager, but I have to say, the parents gloried in being such "look at me, I'm open-minded'"-liberal parents that if you had to pick one family, it'd be them. Remember, if anything goes, then anything will come.

[J70]

Kids with problems are probably not going to fix them via surgery.

This is the thing. Surgery is portrayed as this wonder cure and it really isn't. They are just as miserable after.

Is there data to back this statement up (genuine question)?

[J70]

Live and let live. Some lads on here strike me as the type that only have sex with socks on and the lights off

No problem but when someone with a c**k wants to play in my daughters ladies football team, I think we can all agree that is wrong. The clue is in the title. LADIES football.
"What a point from Dave. She taking her marker Mary to the cleaners. Little know fact... she also has a penis"

Charming.

Let's just hope for their sake that it's not your child or grandchild who has to deal with gender identity issues.

I know 4 kids who are supposedly transgender

I hate to say but from my vantage point it's just oddball kids looking for attention and acceptance


One  kid is a complete weirdo who was adopted and went completely off the rails when his parents got divorced. Before he became transgender he was stalking and harassing elderly neighbors at nighttime wearing a mask (pre pandemic) Very disturbing behavior

I accept people who want to transition. Whatever floats your boat. Go for it. But it's this nonsense of non binary and them/those pronouns. And then when Men want to compete in Women's sport. I draw a hard line at that point. It's children who have been over indulged and have developed a mental problem.

Like I said, let's hope for their sake it never arrives on your doorstep.

Correct

But I hate to say that in at least two of the cases I know of,  the parents actively encouraged this behavior in an effort to bring attention to themselves and get plaudits on social media

Assuming for the sake of argument that this is true, so what?

It doesn't mean that these are not real issues or that the deniers are correct.

No matter what the issue or how genuine and worthy it is, there will always be someone trying to use it to their advantage.

Look at Steve Bannon and "the wall". Or those BLM leaders who were lining their pockets. Their corruption is completely separate from the issues they were profiting from.

[seafoid]

Kids with problems are probably not going to fix them via surgery.

This is the thing. Surgery is portrayed as this wonder cure and it really isn't. They are just as miserable after.

Is there data to back this statement up (genuine question)?

I dunno but Anorexia is treated with months of therapy while gender dysphoria is not. Patients are shunted towards surgery.
Anorexia generates very little money. Gender dysphoria is lucrative.

[J70]

Live and let live. Some lads on here strike me as the type that only have sex with socks on and the lights off

No problem but when someone with a c**k wants to play in my daughters ladies football team, I think we can all agree that is wrong. The clue is in the title. LADIES football.
"What a point from Dave. She taking her marker Mary to the cleaners. Little know fact... she also has a penis"

Charming.

Let's just hope for their sake that it's not your child or grandchild who has to deal with gender identity issues.

I know 4 kids who are supposedly transgender

I hate to say but from my vantage point it's just oddball kids looking for attention and acceptance


One  kid is a complete weirdo who was adopted and went completely off the rails when his parents got divorced. Before he became transgender he was stalking and harassing elderly neighbors at nighttime wearing a mask (pre pandemic) Very disturbing behavior

I accept people who want to transition. Whatever floats your boat. Go for it. But it's this nonsense of non binary and them/those pronouns. And then when Men want to compete in Women's sport. I draw a hard line at that point. It's children who have been over indulged and have developed a mental problem.

Like I said, let's hope for their sake it never arrives on your doorstep.

Correct

But I hate to say that in at least two of the cases I know of,  the parents actively encouraged this behavior in an effort to bring attention to themselves and get plaudits on social media

Exactly. Responsible parenting would cut a lot of it out. I personally only know one 'trans' teenager, but I have to say, the parents gloried in being such "look at me, I'm open-minded'"-liberal parents that if you had to pick one family, it'd be them. Remember, if anything goes, then anything will come.

So the parents should have hid themselves in shame?

Maybe they should have done what my next-door neighbour did with their pregnant (late) teenage daughter when I was a kid.

Kept her in the house once she started to show, until after she'd given birth.

It's Not like it wasn't widely known. But sure it still had to be downplayed and treated as a source of shame and embarrassment in 80s Ireland.

[Milltown Row2]

Kids with problems are probably not going to fix them via surgery.

This is the thing. Surgery is portrayed as this wonder cure and it really isn't. They are just as miserable after.

Is there data to back this statement up (genuine question)?

Probably just first hand experience

[JoG2]

Kids with problems are probably not going to fix them via surgery.

This is the thing. Surgery is portrayed as this wonder cure and it really isn't. They are just as miserable after.

Is there data to back this statement up (genuine question)?

I dunno but Anorexia is treated with months of therapy while gender dysphoria is not. Patients are shunted towards surgery.
Anorexia generates very little money. Gender dysphoria is lucrative.

You are a walking talking tabloid headline

Live and let live. This place is a mini version of twitter these days, fierce levels of anger and hatred

[J70]

Kids with problems are probably not going to fix them via surgery.

This is the thing. Surgery is portrayed as this wonder cure and it really isn't. They are just as miserable after.

Is there data to back this statement up (genuine question)?

I dunno but Anorexia is treated with months of therapy while gender dysphoria is not. Patients are shunted towards surgery.
Anorexia generates very little money. Gender dysphoria is lucrative.

I have honestly no idea if that's true or where it's true, so I'll leave that alone.

The rights and wrongs of how it is dealt with is, to me, a separate argument from whether gender identity is a genuine real issue that should be looked upon with compassion rather than bigotry and denial.

[whitey]

Live and let live. Some lads on here strike me as the type that only have sex with socks on and the lights off

No problem but when someone with a c**k wants to play in my daughters ladies football team, I think we can all agree that is wrong. The clue is in the title. LADIES football.
"What a point from Dave. She taking her marker Mary to the cleaners. Little know fact... she also has a penis"

Charming.

Let's just hope for their sake that it's not your child or grandchild who has to deal with gender identity issues.

I know 4 kids who are supposedly transgender

I hate to say but from my vantage point it's just oddball kids looking for attention and acceptance


One  kid is a complete weirdo who was adopted and went completely off the rails when his parents got divorced. Before he became transgender he was stalking and harassing elderly neighbors at nighttime wearing a mask (pre pandemic) Very disturbing behavior

I accept people who want to transition. Whatever floats your boat. Go for it. But it's this nonsense of non binary and them/those pronouns. And then when Men want to compete in Women's sport. I draw a hard line at that point. It's children who have been over indulged and have developed a mental problem.

Like I said, let's hope for their sake it never arrives on your doorstep.

Correct

But I hate to say that in at least two of the cases I know of,  the parents actively encouraged this behavior in an effort to bring attention to themselves and get plaudits on social media

Exactly. Responsible parenting would cut a lot of it out. I personally only know one 'trans' teenager, but I have to say, the parents gloried in being such "look at me, I'm open-minded'"-liberal parents that if you had to pick one family, it'd be them. Remember, if anything goes, then anything will come.

So the parents should have hid themselves in shame?

Maybe they should have done what my next-door neighbour did with their pregnant (late) teenage daughter when I was a kid.

Kept her in the house once she started to show, until after she'd given birth.

It's Not like it wasn't widely known. But sure it still had to be downplayed and treated as a source of shame and embarrassment in 80s Ireland.

I don't know if you have first hand experience of this-but I have (3 classmates of my sons, all kids of teachers and a kid who lives 5 houses away)

In all 4 cases -it's flat out attention seeking. If the parents had  actually done their jobs in the first place they wouldn't be dealing with this now

[Milltown Row2]

Yeah attention seeking !! f**k me

[seafoid]

Kids with problems are probably not going to fix them via surgery.

This is the thing. Surgery is portrayed as this wonder cure and it really isn't. They are just as miserable after.

Is there data to back this statement up (genuine question)?

I dunno but Anorexia is treated with months of therapy while gender dysphoria is not. Patients are shunted towards surgery.
Anorexia generates very little money. Gender dysphoria is lucrative.

I have honestly no idea if that's true or where it's true, so I'll leave that alone.

The rights and wrongs of how it is dealt with is, to me, a separate argument from whether gender identity is a genuine real issue that should be looked upon with compassion rather than bigotry and denial.

In the Tavistock case in London the majority of female trans surgery cases were either lesbian  or autistic teenagers. Some aspects of it are quite sinister.

[J70]

Live and let live. Some lads on here strike me as the type that only have sex with socks on and the lights off

No problem but when someone with a c**k wants to play in my daughters ladies football team, I think we can all agree that is wrong. The clue is in the title. LADIES football.
"What a point from Dave. She taking her marker Mary to the cleaners. Little know fact... she also has a penis"

Charming.

Let's just hope for their sake that it's not your child or grandchild who has to deal with gender identity issues.

I know 4 kids who are supposedly transgender

I hate to say but from my vantage point it's just oddball kids looking for attention and acceptance


One  kid is a complete weirdo who was adopted and went completely off the rails when his parents got divorced. Before he became transgender he was stalking and harassing elderly neighbors at nighttime wearing a mask (pre pandemic) Very disturbing behavior

I accept people who want to transition. Whatever floats your boat. Go for it. But it's this nonsense of non binary and them/those pronouns. And then when Men want to compete in Women's sport. I draw a hard line at that point. It's children who have been over indulged and have developed a mental problem.

Like I said, let's hope for their sake it never arrives on your doorstep.

Correct

But I hate to say that in at least two of the cases I know of,  the parents actively encouraged this behavior in an effort to bring attention to themselves and get plaudits on social media

Exactly. Responsible parenting would cut a lot of it out. I personally only know one 'trans' teenager, but I have to say, the parents gloried in being such "look at me, I'm open-minded'"-liberal parents that if you had to pick one family, it'd be them. Remember, if anything goes, then anything will come.

So the parents should have hid themselves in shame?

Maybe they should have done what my next-door neighbour did with their pregnant (late) teenage daughter when I was a kid.

Kept her in the house once she started to show, until after she'd given birth.

It's Not like it wasn't widely known. But sure it still had to be downplayed and treated as a source of shame and embarrassment in 80s Ireland.

I don't know if you have first hand experience of this-but I have (3 classmates of my sons, all kids of teachers and a kid who lives 5 houses away)

In all 4 cases -it's flat out attention seeking. If the parents had  actually done their jobs in the first place they wouldn't be dealing with this now

There's not much I can do or say about your anecdotes whitey. I've no idea how qualified or informed you are to make the determinations you have.

But again, assuming it's all exactly as you say, what does that mean?

That it's all bullshit?

Anyway, we're probably going to get reported again to the mods for ruining the thread.

[Saffrongael]

As an SNP politician said "if a fox says they are a chicken, will you let them into the henhouse"

[seafoid]

One interesting aspect is that the trans movement is much stronger in English speaking countries. France has far lower incidence...