Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022

[johnnycool]

If Mexico or Canada wanted to join an Alliance with Russia woukd the US say "sovereign Countries can do as they see fit"?

Would they fcuk. As with every conflict in the world you can trace it back to either the Brits or the Americans. Russia was promised 30 years ago when the Berlin wall fell that NATO would not advance one inch eastwards. Now look.

Which treaty or agreement promised this?

Nothing formal as you can read in this article, kinda a gentlemans agreement, initially with Gorbachev and Reagan if I can find the Noam Chomsky video and even Yeltsin warned Clinton at a later date about the perils of NATO expanding eastwards onto its borders.

https://www.dw.com/en/nato-why-russia-has-a-problem-with-its-eastward-expansion/a-60891681

When Putin is fully finished with invading Ukraine

He will have a border with Nato 4-6 times the length of the border with Nato before he invaded

Go figure


Plus a mass insurrection in that country and a fully engaged Nato

Plus Georgia Sweden and Finland all now thinking about NATO. So all in all a complete f**k up by vlad

Totally, hard to see how this pans out positively for Putin from a strategic POV. He's backed himself into a corner with his show of strength and needed to be the hard man. but I can't how this ends well for him.

[blasmere]

If Mexico or Canada wanted to join an Alliance with Russia woukd the US say "sovereign Countries can do as they see fit"?

Would they fcuk. As with every conflict in the world you can trace it back to either the Brits or the Americans. Russia was promised 30 years ago when the Berlin wall fell that NATO would not advance one inch eastwards. Now look.

Which treaty or agreement promised this?

Nothing formal as you can read in this article, kinda a gentlemans agreement, initially with Gorbachev and Reagan if I can find the Noam Chomsky video and even Yeltsin warned Clinton at a later date about the perils of NATO expanding eastwards onto its borders.

https://www.dw.com/en/nato-why-russia-has-a-problem-with-its-eastward-expansion/a-60891681

When Putin is fully finished with invading Ukraine

He will have a border with Nato 4-6 times the length of the border with Nato before he invaded

Go figure


Plus a mass insurrection in that country and a fully engaged Nato

Plus Georgia Sweden and Finland all now thinking about NATO. So all in all a complete f**k up by vlad

Totally, hard to see how this pans out positively for Putin from a strategic POV. He's backed himself into a corner with his show of strength and needed to be the hard man. but I can't how this ends well for him.

At some point hopefully someone in the inner circle will turn on him. He seems isolated even there, at the end of that long table on his own, not even wanting to breath the same air as them, humiliating the intelligence chief who looked like he was bricking it, shades of Stalin.

[seafoid]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/four-irish-babies-born-to-surrogate-mothers-in-kyiv-evacuated-from-ukraine-1.4817766Four Irish babies born to surrogate mothers in Ukraine in recent days have been safely evacuated from the war-torn country, The Irish Times understands.

The infants, including a set of twins, were brought by medical staff on the 24-hour journey from the Russian-targeted Ukrainian capital Kyiv to the country's southwestern border.

The children, who are all Irish citizens, were united with their Irish parents after the couples were flown to Romania on Wednesday night on an Irish Air Corps PC-12 aircraft in an operation described by sources as "humanitarian" in nature.

The Department of Foreign Affairs and the Department of Defence have declined to comment. A spokesman for Minister for Foreign Affairs Simon Coveney said he could not comment on consular issues.

[J70]

One big lesson here don't let Iran get nukes .

The big lesson here is that if you have nukes like what Ukraine did

You don't give them up

Regardless of what guarantees you get from the Russians or anyone else

Something the Iranians and North Koreans will have noted

well exactly and you don't need anymore regimes getting them and threatening nuclear war
I think North Korea already have some nuclear capability.

Which pretty much secures the Kim family in power for ever more, bar some asteroid strike or one of them actually initiating a nuclear war.

Nukes are no protection against a popular uprising. That is what will probably take the Kim's down

Nukes won't save Israeli apartheid either

We can hope. But the Kims have kept their boots on the necks of their people for three generations now, even through devastating famine.

Israel - there'd have to be a massive change in the outlook in America for serious change there I think. Although there is much more dissent than there used to be.

[Milltown Row2]

If Mexico or Canada wanted to join an Alliance with Russia woukd the US say "sovereign Countries can do as they see fit"?

Would they fcuk. As with every conflict in the world you can trace it back to either the Brits or the Americans. Russia was promised 30 years ago when the Berlin wall fell that NATO would not advance one inch eastwards. Now look.

Which treaty or agreement promised this?

Nothing formal as you can read in this article, kinda a gentlemans agreement, initially with Gorbachev and Reagan if I can find the Noam Chomsky video and even Yeltsin warned Clinton at a later date about the perils of NATO expanding eastwards onto its borders.

https://www.dw.com/en/nato-why-russia-has-a-problem-with-its-eastward-expansion/a-60891681

Can't find the video but this article covers that time period and even blames Clinton for pressing for NATO expansions east even though several sources say there was an agreement between Reagan and Gorbachev...

https://foreignpolicynews.org/2020/12/13/time-to-roll-back-the-expansion-of-nato/

So these countries are being forced to join Nato?

Who said that?

Within this post in bold was said that Russian was promised that NATO would not move an inch eastwards, NATO did not force countries to be part of it.

Russia will be looking to take back Alaska at this rate as it would be a buffer zone to the West

[DrinkingHarp]

Zaporizhzhia Ukraine has the largest Nuclear Plant in Europe.

It is now on fire from Russian shelling.

Scientists stated this could be 10 times worse than Chernobyl

[Walter Cronc]

If they are attacking nuclear power plants surely its a sign they want to draw the west into this??

[Farrandeelin]

I see they've 'taken control' of the nuclear plant. He'll hardly strike it now, or will he?

[Walter Cronc]

I see they've 'taken control' of the nuclear plant. He'll hardly strike it now, or will he?

Ah OK. Maybe better that way than shelling it!!

[LeoMc]

How many Russian missiles are pointed at European capitals?

The refrain of the USA having  "overthrown the elected government & replaced it (with a neo-Nazi regime)"  is straight from RT, even by Russian standards it's bog standard propaganda.
Since the overthrow of the pro Russian government in 2014, pro Russian and pro communist era type international media have labelled the then broadly popular pro EU movement and subsequent Ukrainian governments as being fascist led and pro nazi.The modern history of Ukraine is much more nuanced than those old refrains dating from WW2 and  which equated  being anti bolshevik with pro nazi.
While the Ukraine 'cause' is proving to be a rallying cry for UR militia types to get involved, the ultra right coalition have received scant political support,  in both of the most recent presidential and general elections they polled less than 2%.

Hmm more like Reuters... the Azov battalions have been absorbed into the Ukrainian military. They don't need nor want political support, not when they're on the same hymn sheet as the government - bit like the (then legal) UDA here in the north back in the 1980s.

A good summary of the Avov battalion here.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/03/02/what-is-ukraines-azov-battalion

[armaghniac]

These Asov people would not be on the, same page as the government if the Russians hadn't invaded.

[Average Score]

Zelenskyy keeps asking for planes, why isn't this being supplied!

[JPGJOHNNYG]

A few hundred nut jobs then. The article hinting that the far right will flock to Ukraines cause ! -I call bullshit, the far right across Europe polls badly but hey if thats the worry for some as oppossed to the actual shit that is happening right now, residential areas being flattened , thousands of innocent people being killed millions displaced.

[Denn Forever]

Zelenskyy keeps asking for planes, why isn't this being supplied!

Sending t Ukraine to be used by Uraine air, force maybe. But if you mean outside airforces, Putin may take real offence.

[imtommygunn]

They're already sending tanks etc so what's the difference.