Derry Club Football & Hurling original

[jb77]

I was at the game and even when we were on top, the amount of wides was criminal and I never felt comfortable. The defence is not strong enough as a unit and gave away a few silly frees. Once Monaghan got the momentum and got a few two pointers they sniffed the win.

I think this squad needs a slight rebuild, bring in a few of the u21s to freshen up the squad, freshen up training and maybe some of them will be good enough to make it - the likes of Sergeant wheh he is fit.

Is there something to be said that Derry always play like a league team? We have won 7 National Leagues and only one Sam Maguire. 7 National leagues is proof that Derry is a good football county with quality footballers. But this does not translate into Championhip football - too many times we get turned over like yesterday when Monaghan got into Championship mode in the second half we capitulated in the end; we got turned over in 2001 by Galway in the semi-final (and they hammered Meath in the final), and in 2023 by Kerry when we played unreal football.

The better players lost yesterday imo.
Will they learn from the defeat?
My main concern from yesterday (we played some great football) was the wides and the lack of solidity at the back. Was there an argument for putting big Rogers in at full back in the second half as Monagghan began to lump in high ball?

I would say that dressing room was a morgue yesterday.

Yesterdays game can either make or break this team. We will see how they respond in the next game.

I like the idea of Roger's returning to FB, he just knows how to operate back there, one thing is McEvoy cannot come out of that middle 8 again it would be a waste. I know some people aren't as high on Higgins as I am but I think he should be developed at 9 going forward

[Topmarks]

Last free even worse when i see it on Tv, that Monaghan man had 3 men round him, he was going nowhere. Derry worse defeat, in the circumstances, since Galway 2001 and Tyrone 1995. By the way whos Derry 2 pt shooters.? Nobody wanted to take them on. Derry lost massive leads last yr in the league and nothing changed.

Galway 2001 was more comparable to the Kerry 2023 game.
In my case Galway 2001 will always haunt me as it deprived me of the experience of going to an All Ireland final as a child.

Fermanagh 08 comes to mind as well.

I thought Paudie played really well and was the one man I wanted on the ball in defence and attack towards the end of the game. Forbes for his first full year at it played his heart out. Also, Ethan was unplayable for spells. Just a shame we didn't get over the line as I think we would have improved further in the final.

[Stickittotheman]

I was at the game and even when we were on top, the amount of wides was criminal and I never felt comfortable. The defence is not strong enough as a unit and gave away a few silly frees. Once Monaghan got the momentum and got a few two pointers they sniffed the win.

I think this squad needs a slight rebuild, bring in a few of the u21s to freshen up the squad, freshen up training and maybe some of them will be good enough to make it - the likes of Sergeant wheh he is fit.

Is there something to be said that Derry always play like a league team? We have won 7 National Leagues and only one Sam Maguire. 7 National leagues is proof that Derry is a good football county with quality footballers. But this does not translate into Championhip football - too many times we get turned over like yesterday when Monaghan got into Championship mode in the second half we capitulated in the end; we got turned over in 2001 by Galway in the semi-final (and they hammered Meath in the final), and in 2023 by Kerry when we played unreal football.

The better players lost yesterday imo.
Will they learn from the defeat?
My main concern from yesterday (we played some great football) was the wides and the lack of solidity at the back. Was there an argument for putting big Rogers in at full back in the second half as Monagghan began to lump in high ball?

I would say that dressing room was a morgue yesterday.

Yesterdays game can either make or break this team. We will see how they respond in the next game.

I like the idea of Roger's returning to FB, he just knows how to operate back there, one thing is McEvoy cannot come out of that middle 8 again it would be a waste. I know some people aren't as high on Higgins as I am but I think he should be developed at 9 going forward

Surely McEvoy is McKinless longer term replacement. McKinless is not the force of the past after awful awful injuries. McEvoy at 6 longer term is surely the way forward. Rogers has been an incredible player for Derry, would easily grace the best 11 but I do think he could fall back to defence in the next few seasons. Higgins is a great talent. Forbes will be a huge player for the future. We still have a decent age profile in the team.

Young lads like Murray, Forbes, McEvoy, Higgins can hopefully push on and become the bedrock of the team with experienced men like Glass, Rogers, McGuigan, McCluskey adding a great blend of youth and experience.

[JoG2]

I'll tell you why they are soft and this forum is classic example. People treating senior county players like fairies.

"Hard luck lads we'll go ahead"


"You're a disgrace saying a player had a bad game"

" Everyone's putting the boot in"

We folded like a deck of cards, big men disappeared, substitutions were very iffy and then reversed. We lack a killer instinct, that used to be there.

Somebody said here we missed Mc Faul and that 100% right, someone with a ruthless streak that people are nearly afraid to let down. Chrissy was in the same boat, demanding so much more from everyone around him.
Who is doing that now?

Ok dokie Andy Tate...hopefully you're down in Owenbeg on Tues to transfer some of your knowledge to management.

With a kick of a 2 pointer this thread has gone full Tyrone thread...cowards is an apt description. Imagine slagging off our county men behind forum usernames, it absolutely blows my mind. Shameful.

[JoG2]

Baker thought the ball was there to be won, and he did win it. Hard to hold back in the heat of battle but ultimately he should have done anything but risk a 2 point free. Other than that I thought he had a good game.

We should have went in at HT 15 points up. So many easy misses in contrast to some ridiculous 2 point efforts from McCarthy, McCarron, McCarville, Ward. Beggan is like a cheat code in the new rules too.

The ref was a joke too, couldn't touch Monaghan without the hand going up for a free or advantage. Ethan had a very untimely slip but he was still pushed for the sideline, mccarron broke the line.

On the plus side McGuckins kickouts were brilliant all day. He hit one towards Beggan which unfortunately led to a goal but it wasn't a howler. Other than that he was flawless and made a great save. Forbes has really stood up this year and put in another good performance. McGrogan was great, he wins so many high pressure short kickouts. Loughlin brilliant all year and was again today. Good to see McEvoy back and his size in the middle was a big plus. Ethan brilliant first 50 min.

Meenagh got it tactically spot on. We dominated Monaghan for most of the game but you can't legislate for those misses. He also can't be blamed for our lack of a bench which will continue to haunt this team in big games.

As sickening a defeat as you can get. Ulster final was there for us. Will be a hard one to recover from.

On Meenagh, he brought mcgurk on for C Doherty and reversed the sub five minutes later, Doherty looked out on his feet. Also held the lad Kearney, who looks have bit about him back to very late in the day when there was tired legs and momentum had shifted other way.

I'd agree with pretty much all Mario said, and your bit above statto. We definitely needed fresh legs on.

An away day for the 1st round of the qualifiers. Some big hitters on the road that round .

1 of those 7 x 2 pointers goes an inch wide and it's a completely different story

[Ball]

I'll tell you why they are soft and this forum is classic example. People treating senior county players like fairies.

"Hard luck lads we'll go ahead"


"You're a disgrace saying a player had a bad game"

" Everyone's putting the boot in"

We folded like a deck of cards, big men disappeared, substitutions were very iffy and then reversed. We lack a killer instinct, that used to be there.

Somebody said here we missed Mc Faul and that 100% right, someone with a ruthless streak that people are nearly afraid to let down. Chrissy was in the same boat, demanding so much more from everyone around him.
Who is doing that now?

Ok dokie Andy Tate...hopefully you're down in Owenbeg on Tues to transfer some of your knowledge to management.

With a kick of a 2 pointer this thread has gone full Tyrone thread...cowards is an apt description. Imagine slagging off our county men behind forum usernames, it absolutely blows my mind. Shameful.

Sure what else would you expect from this thread. Shows how much some of these boys know about football when their analysis is personal jibes about certain players!

Wides in the first half lost this game. The boys that allowed themselves and each other to take the foot off the pedal lost this game not the mistakes at the end.

Also would agree with the fact that our lack of quality and experience (outside shea downey & toner) on the bench cost us and will do again.

[NotedObserver]

I wouldn't be happy if I was the subs. Put on and then taken off for extra time

[Keyser soze]

Some horrible pricks on here slagging off their own players. I would say they never wore or even washed a jersey.

[Wildweasel74]

Derry have had 4 strong U20 teams in the past 5yrs, how many of them players started, Murray / McAvoy who didnt play for the U20 and Forbes, thats not a good return with that amount of good players. McGurk, Murray,T Rodgers,C Higgins on the bench from them panels but barely featured. Derry had a entire league to try new players starting over a game or 2, didnt start any new lads outside Forbes and the Keeper. Why Mulholland of Lavey not feature from the bench? D McDermott more than capable of starting county fball foreby the panel, he not bck from tailend last year. McAleer, J Doherty, McFaul make Derry bench stronger but left,or left out.

[Topmarks]

Derry have had 4 strong U20 teams in the past 5yrs, how many of them players started, Murray / McAvoy who didnt play for the U20 and Forbes, thats not a good return with that amount of good players. McGurk, Murray,T Rodgers,C Higgins on the bench from them panels but barely featured. Derry had a entire league to try new players starting over a game or 2, didnt start any new lads outside Forbes and the Keeper. Why Mulholland of Lavey not feature from the bench? D McDermott more than capable of starting county fball foreby the panel, he not bck from tailend last year. McAleer, J Doherty, McFaul make Derry bench stronger but left,or left out.

I agree, we didn't blood many lads in the league and it's very unlikely they will be thrown in now if you haven't had any games. I think there's 5 or 6 boys need to start league games next year from our underage teams. I would say Sargent, Murray, Rogers, McDermott, McGurk, Gilmore, Higgins and Young brothers should all be looked at. It's time as it's frustrating that we don't seem to have confidence to bring on players to freshen it up and make a difference when it's needed.

[marty34]

What was the exact story with subs?

Anybody know who came on and off etc.?

[p3427977]

What was the exact story with subs?

Anybody know who came on and off etc.?

Toner on for Cassidy
McGurk on for CD
Downey on for Loughlin

Extra time CD and Loughlin back on, but can't remember right now who came on the 2nd half of ET.

[Ryan O]

I'll tell you why they are soft and this forum is classic example. People treating senior county players like fairies.

"Hard luck lads we'll go ahead"


"You're a disgrace saying a player had a bad game"

" Everyone's putting the boot in"

We folded like a deck of cards, big men disappeared, substitutions were very iffy and then reversed. We lack a killer instinct, that used to be there.

Somebody said here we missed Mc Faul and that 100% right, someone with a ruthless streak that people are nearly afraid to let down. Chrissy was in the same boat, demanding so much more from everyone around him.
Who is doing that now?

Ok dokie Andy Tate...hopefully you're down in Owenbeg on Tues to transfer some of your knowledge to management.

With a kick of a 2 pointer this thread has gone full Tyrone thread...cowards is an apt description. Imagine slagging off our county men behind forum usernames, it absolutely blows my mind. Shameful.

if I new who Andy Tate was that would be relevant,I have no idea what you are talking about.

[Ryan O]

Theres an elephant in the room that we insist on building a team around, he wore 11 today. 

He's not our leader, Doherty and Mc Guigan go missing when the pressure really goes on.
Mentally soft and easy to get at.

I most def would call you an arsehole if I met you. Would you say this to the three guys in question? Thought not. Ghost was worse and he's doubled down but you've form for this

If you attended the odd club game you would know the 3 in question are more that approachable and will have a conversation about football with anyone.these lads aren't professional on a pedestal individuals. They work/ walk among us.

I'll guarantee Conor and Shane will admit we folded lacked game management and leadership when required,

I wouldn't feel the need to approach him and call him and arsehole, generally kills the conversation.

[JoG2]

What was the exact story with subs?

Anybody know who came on and off etc.?

Toner on for Cassidy
McGurk on for CD
Downey on for Loughlin

Extra time CD and Loughlin back on, but can't remember right now who came on the 2nd half of ET.

* McGurk had two stints , 3 mins in regular time and 2 mins in et totally 5 mins.

* Downey got 9 mins

* Kearney got 2 mins in et (scored a point)

* Toner got 29 mins

4 subs in total (45 mins between them) scoring 1 point

Monaghan who finished stronger made 7 substitutions totaling 217 mins scoring 5 points