Money is Destroying the Game

[johnneycool]

What is Brolly's point?

Well he's a few;
  That the GAA aping the elitist professional sports model are going to come unstuck if they persist with developing and enlarging the intercounty game at the expense of clubs and so forth, pointing out the suggested GPA model of more games at intercounty level will have an even more detrimental impact on club players and this new revenue they forecast won't make its way down to the grassroots.
    And that promoting top level sport has not proven to increase participation levels as per the Australian olympics, London Olympics and the best was to increase participation levels is investing at grass routes level with facilities and volunteers on the ground. The EPL is the richest league in the world in terms of TV revenues, yet grassroots coaching and facilities are the worst in Europe.

General crux, don't let the intercounty game be the end all of the GAA as a lot of the media and GPA would want it to be.

[illdecide]

McEntee, Buckley, Horan And Solan.

Sure if you can't beat them, join them

I know one thing...there'll no be too much Euro left in Mayo by the time them four men are finished with them...and they may well win them SAM but it'll cost them

[Nihilist]

McEntee, Buckley, Horan And Solan.

Sure if you can't beat them, join them

I know one thing...there'll no be too much Euro left in Mayo by the time them four men are finished with them...and they may well win them SAM but it'll cost them

Dunno about that.

McEntee is there to work with the boys based out of Mayo mostly in Dublin. This will probably happen for most of the first few months. probably up until March or after before these guys are together all the time. This is a money saving cost and what was employed before in other setups - i.e. rather than bringing them down 3 or 4 nights a week etc along with McEntee with maybe Buckley going up a few times to make sure all sides on the same hymn sheet.

Plus Dublin a lot closer for him which is one of the reasons I suppose he came on board.

If you want to go looking for money going to be spent check out the top two i.e. Kerry and Dublin. Also Rossies I would say along with Armagh. Can't see McGeeney sparing it or McStay.

[Syferus]

McEntee, Buckley, Horan And Solan.

Sure if you can't beat them, join them

I know one thing...there'll no be too much Euro left in Mayo by the time them four men are finished with them...and they may well win them SAM but it'll cost them

Dunno about that.

McEntee is there to work with the boys based out of Mayo mostly in Dublin. This will probably happen for most of the first few months. probably up until March or after before these guys are together all the time. This is a money saving cost and what was employed before in other setups - i.e. rather than bringing them down 3 or 4 nights a week etc along with McEntee with maybe Buckley going up a few times to make sure all sides on the same hymn sheet.

Plus Dublin a lot closer for him which is one of the reasons I suppose he came on board.

If you want to go looking for money going to be spent check out the top two i.e. Kerry and Dublin. Also Rossies I would say along with Armagh. Can't see McGeeney sparing it or McStay.

McEntee isn't working for free or even cheap. Buckley is a professional coach.

Barry Solan now works full-time with Arsenal in London. He's attached to the Mayo U21s (his brother is the manager) and the Mayo seniors. His actual input in either besides sending over a few diet and training plans is highly questionable. Any flights will obviously be underwritten by the Mayo money men.

Kevin lives in Roscommon town, FOD in Boyle. In-county management nearly to a man. Of all the selectors or coaches named so far only Liam McHale would even be getting any serious 'mileage' money. What Mayo are doing doesn't even compare to us. They are in serious debt and they've just brought in another high-priced, high-powered management set-up after swearing off them in 2014 when they ran Horan for having too much power and spending too much money. Magic sums. There's a very real story there if any national journalist wants to make a name for themselves.

[Captain Obvious]

McEntee, Buckley, Horan And Solan.

Sure if you can't beat them, join them

I know one thing...there'll no be too much Euro left in Mayo by the time them four men are finished with them...and they may well win them SAM but it'll cost them

Dunno about that.

McEntee is there to work with the boys based out of Mayo mostly in Dublin. This will probably happen for most of the first few months. probably up until March or after before these guys are together all the time. This is a money saving cost and what was employed before in other setups - i.e. rather than bringing them down 3 or 4 nights a week etc along with McEntee with maybe Buckley going up a few times to make sure all sides on the same hymn sheet.

Plus Dublin a lot closer for him which is one of the reasons I suppose he came on board.

If you want to go looking for money going to be spent check out the top two i.e. Kerry and Dublin. Also Rossies I would say along with Armagh. Can't see McGeeney sparing it or McStay.

I doubt if Roscommon or Armagh got all of their available funds together would be able to match what Mayo will likely spend in 2016 on just their senior team. It's not groundbreaking stuff to know the counties that are challenging for the All Ireland are also the same counties that are spending the most.

[Nihilist]

I doubt if Roscommon or Armagh got all of their available funds together would be able to match what Mayo will likely spend in 2016 on just their senior team. It's not groundbreaking stuff to know the counties that are challenging for the All Ireland are also the same counties that are spending the most.

Correct - counties that are challenging will be spending a lot more.
Most obviously because they will be in the championship longer - thus extending their spend by probably up to 100%. But I dont see how these 2 points are relevant to this thread.

[Captain Obvious]

I doubt if Roscommon or Armagh got all of their available funds together would be able to match what Mayo will likely spend in 2016 on just their senior team. It's not groundbreaking stuff to know the counties that are challenging for the All Ireland are also the same counties that are spending the most.

Correct - counties that are challenging will be spending a lot more.
Most obviously because they will be in the championship longer - thus extending their spend by probably up to 100%. But I dont see how these 2 points are relevant to this thread.

The haves and the have nots. It is not a level playing field.

The same few counties have reached the last four for the last five years it's annual spend for those counties and that supply of cash is unlikely to dry up anytime soon for those sides.

On the other hand if say Cavan,Tipperary were to get in expensive management team have extended run in the championship and spent the same type of cash that the current challengers do now they would likely be in the red for next few years.

[Nihilist]

The haves and the have nots. It is not a level playing field.

The same few counties have reached the last four for the last five years it's annual spend for those counties and that supply of cash is unlikely to dry up anytime soon for those sides.

On the other hand if say Cavan,Tipperary were to get in expensive management team have extended run in the championship and spent the same type of cash that the current challengers do now they would likely be in the red for next few years.

I would say it is harder for the likes of Tipp football (I assume that's who you are referring to) because of the cost of running a successful Hurling team. But thats a different matter as successful duel counties must be counted differently.

But going back to the top 4 - well Mayo are in debt up to their neck. Needed a bail out from Croke Park to cover the repayments on the over spend for the stand (unfortunately built in the boom) in McHale park.  To say/assume that they have an unlimited supply of cash is simply incorrect.

[ONeill]

What is Brolly's point?

Well he's a few;
  That the GAA aping the elitist professional sports model are going to come unstuck if they persist with developing and enlarging the intercounty game at the expense of clubs and so forth, pointing out the suggested GPA model of more games at intercounty level will have an even more detrimental impact on club players and this new revenue they forecast won't make its way down to the grassroots.
    And that promoting top level sport has not proven to increase participation levels as per the Australian olympics, London Olympics and the best was to increase participation levels is investing at grass routes level with facilities and volunteers on the ground. The EPL is the richest league in the world in terms of TV revenues, yet grassroots coaching and facilities are the worst in Europe.

General crux, don't let the intercounty game be the end all of the GAA as a lot of the media and GPA would want it to be.

But sure isn't the same boy making a profitable sideline out of glorifying/critiquing the inter-county game.

[AZOffaly]

 I think Joe is well able to run with the hare or hunt with the hounds as the mood/opportunity allows.

[Captain Obvious]

I would say it is harder for the likes of Tipp football (I assume that's who you are referring to) because of the cost of running a successful Hurling team. But thats a different matter as successful duel counties must be counted differently.

But going back to the top 4 - well Mayo are in debt up to their neck. Needed a bail out from Croke Park to cover the repayments on the over spend for the stand (unfortunately built in the boom) in McHale park.  To say/assume that they have an unlimited supply of cash is simply incorrect.

I picked Cavan,Tipperary out as examples because they have done the ground work at underage, Cavan are in division two and Tipperary are likely to gain promotion to that division next year however with the way the game has gone their fate at senior level could be decided by how much money they can afford to spend each year.

The final point you make sounds like Mayo have done a business deal of putting a stadium debt on the back burner while can continue to spend as they have done these last four or five years. A situation like that could become a case of short term gain to long term pain.

[ONeill]

I think Joe is well able to run with the hare or hunt with the hounds as the mood/opportunity allows.

Not only that, when Tyrone and Donegal were in their pomp (mostly Tyrone) he eulogised their professional training methods. And he savaged anyone he thought 'wasn't a cousin of a county footballer'.

A populist.

[seafoid]

I think Joe is well able to run with the hare or hunt with the hounds as the mood/opportunity allows.

He is like a GAA version of Dunphy. As Eugene McGee said about his own writing, a lot of sports journalism is shite.

[Nihilist]

I picked Cavan,Tipperary out as examples because they have done the ground work at underage, Cavan are in division two and Tipperary are likely to gain promotion to that division next year however with the way the game has gone their fate at senior level could be decided by how much money they can afford to spend each year.

The final point you make sounds like Mayo have done a business deal of putting a stadium debt on the back burner while can continue to spend as they have done these last four or five years. A situation like that could become a case of short term gain to long term pain.

Lookit - one of the reasons these 2 teams won't be spending as much is because they won't be in the championship that long. Div 1 with a few from Div 2 (but I would exclude both above you mentioned from here) is where it is at when winning provincial and/or getting as far as 1/4 final stage of championship.

Div 1 football is actually like championship now except played in early months. It is seriously tough stuff and the gap is widening as far as I can see. Most Div 1 teams (bar Dublin) actually focus on just maintaining their divisional status because if not they will peak too early.

Winning home games (and an odd one away) is what counts to do this. Realistically that could even get you to a League semi-final spot. Its a fine margin between semi-final an relegation now which again makes it so competitive.

By the way I looked it up again about McEntee and it was confirmed nationally that he will be based out of Dublin and that will be up until MAY looking after 14 of the panel based up there ! So again - I put it back to you that it is not Mayo who are doing the over spend in a big way.

[Il Bomber Destro]

The money spent by Armagh and Roscommon last year.