journalists trying to influence/lobby rule makers and disciplinary procedures.

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omaghjoe

Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 12:08:01 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 01:39:55 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 01:23:26 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 01:00:24 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 12:44:13 AM
To be fair I think the initial reaction was on the internet and mainly on twitter. The gifs appeared rapidly, and remember, The Sunday Game didn't have the match. It was on a Saturday and Sky had it. The Sunday Game did have anything until a day later. Even on here the row was in full swing over 24 hours before TSG was broadcast: http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=26101.375

I accept your point that they are more likely now to look at Tyrone with a cynical eye, than your example Kerry. Donaghy for example is  relentlessly pushing and shoving and mouthing and no one says, or does anything about him.

But for whatever reason Tyrone are now received as the worst culprits. Is this fair? I honestly don't know. But it appears to be a reality and it will impact negatively on Tyrone. But the solution is in Tyrone. The solution for Tyrone certainly isn't going on an all out attack on 'The Southern Media', or 'D4' or partitionists or whatever. Does anyone seriously think that will shut people up?

Enlighten us with your eternal wisdom Muppet

Enlighten us how Tyrone GAA can stop journalist and pundits causing a shit storm every time Tyrone do something that every team in the country does?

Enlighten us how Tyrone can stop Spillane, O'Rourke etc being sickened at the sight of Tyrone winning.

Enlighten us how Tyrone can stop the CCCC acting on a whim from the above journalist's drivel?

This is an issue for them not Tyrone.

This is exactly what I am talking about.

a) Tyrone aren't winning. They haven't won since 2008 as a Tyrone supporter pointed out earlier. (This is not an insult - we haven't won since 1951 - merely pointing to claim that the pundits are sickened at you winning.
b) The shit storm started on here and twitter on Saturday, and was in full swing long before TSG got it. They merely reflected the outrage. (And yes the level of outrage was way over the top).
c) A Tyrone website claimed that the CCCC acted on a whim from journalists. YOU have claimed it was 'the above journalists'. I seriously doubt that happened.
d) Calm down. The frothing isn't helping. We need to hear some cool heads from Tyrone who can show up the witch hunt for exactly what it was: an ill-judged over-reaction from the CCCC.

They won Sat didnt they?

You should know by now I dont do calm or rational when it comes to football, why should I? Its just football, no one gets killed, it actually doesn't matter a shite, its just an outlet for us, so I use it. Calm and rational is for things that actually matter.

Besides. that's only a  deflection, u still never gave any of your advice? Or do you only keep that for yourself? Or you maybe u dont have any and just like to appear like your the source of all wisdom?

And whats all that shite about partitionists?

Winning, to the pundits, means Sam. You are nothing in their eyes without it. We should know.

If I give any suggestions you and others will simply shoot them down one by one.

But it must be obvious that instead of refusing to talk, they should make people available for interviews as much as possible. Preferably calm, reasonable and friendly recently retired players. Take the heat out of the situation should be the objective instead of seething and shouting whataboutery from the rooftops.

Harte gave a Jennifer Lopez interview in the last few days where he started looking great, until we came to the dramatic 'but'. He criticised McCann but threw that all out the window by pointing the finger at others. All of this is not fair on Tyrone, but like I say the solution starts with them.

It was mentioned above that the Dubs got similar bad press sorted out. Remember the Hill 16 event against us and jumping onto the fence to celebrate a 14 yard free. All removed by Gilroy and look where it led him.

Really? Did you not mind the Spillane squirm fest after the 03 semi that reverberates to this day?
If you win Sam they cant touch you, everyones falling over themselves to say how great you are, look at Kerry last year... they were shite but they won and suddenly they're being compared to the side of the naughties.
Up until Donegal won they were treated like Lepers and then suddenly they were the best team around after the AI win

Tyrone do speak to the media just cos they dont speak to RTE doesnt mean they dont. RTE has the problem they are supposed to be the creditable media outlet but they completely prejudice
What feckin manager wouldn't stick up for his player after he got ripped down by the hair? If he slagged him off it would be dressing room suicide.

Tyrone are nothing like the Pillar Dubs, they were detrimental to themselves, Tyrone are no worse than any other winning team, in fact Monaghan were by far the worse offenders on Sat but Tyrone receive the brunt of everything, its always worse when Tyrone do it? Why is that?

laceer

Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 04:02:34 PM

What feckin manager wouldn't stick up for his player after he got ripped down by the hair?


Stop saying this - you're making the rest of your argument look stupid. He dived.


Armamike

Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 04:02:34 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 12:08:01 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 01:39:55 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 01:23:26 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 01:00:24 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 12:44:13 AM
To be fair I think the initial reaction was on the internet and mainly on twitter. The gifs appeared rapidly, and remember, The Sunday Game didn't have the match. It was on a Saturday and Sky had it. The Sunday Game did have anything until a day later. Even on here the row was in full swing over 24 hours before TSG was broadcast: http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=26101.375

I accept your point that they are more likely now to look at Tyrone with a cynical eye, than your example Kerry. Donaghy for example is  relentlessly pushing and shoving and mouthing and no one says, or does anything about him.

But for whatever reason Tyrone are now received as the worst culprits. Is this fair? I honestly don't know. But it appears to be a reality and it will impact negatively on Tyrone. But the solution is in Tyrone. The solution for Tyrone certainly isn't going on an all out attack on 'The Southern Media', or 'D4' or partitionists or whatever. Does anyone seriously think that will shut people up?

Enlighten us with your eternal wisdom Muppet

Enlighten us how Tyrone GAA can stop journalist and pundits causing a shit storm every time Tyrone do something that every team in the country does?

Enlighten us how Tyrone can stop Spillane, O'Rourke etc being sickened at the sight of Tyrone winning.

Enlighten us how Tyrone can stop the CCCC acting on a whim from the above journalist's drivel?

This is an issue for them not Tyrone.

This is exactly what I am talking about.

a) Tyrone aren't winning. They haven't won since 2008 as a Tyrone supporter pointed out earlier. (This is not an insult - we haven't won since 1951 - merely pointing to claim that the pundits are sickened at you winning.
b) The shit storm started on here and twitter on Saturday, and was in full swing long before TSG got it. They merely reflected the outrage. (And yes the level of outrage was way over the top).
c) A Tyrone website claimed that the CCCC acted on a whim from journalists. YOU have claimed it was 'the above journalists'. I seriously doubt that happened.
d) Calm down. The frothing isn't helping. We need to hear some cool heads from Tyrone who can show up the witch hunt for exactly what it was: an ill-judged over-reaction from the CCCC.

They won Sat didnt they?

You should know by now I dont do calm or rational when it comes to football, why should I? Its just football, no one gets killed, it actually doesn't matter a shite, its just an outlet for us, so I use it. Calm and rational is for things that actually matter.

Besides. that's only a  deflection, u still never gave any of your advice? Or do you only keep that for yourself? Or you maybe u dont have any and just like to appear like your the source of all wisdom?

And whats all that shite about partitionists?

Winning, to the pundits, means Sam. You are nothing in their eyes without it. We should know.

If I give any suggestions you and others will simply shoot them down one by one.

But it must be obvious that instead of refusing to talk, they should make people available for interviews as much as possible. Preferably calm, reasonable and friendly recently retired players. Take the heat out of the situation should be the objective instead of seething and shouting whataboutery from the rooftops.

Harte gave a Jennifer Lopez interview in the last few days where he started looking great, until we came to the dramatic 'but'. He criticised McCann but threw that all out the window by pointing the finger at others. All of this is not fair on Tyrone, but like I say the solution starts with them.

It was mentioned above that the Dubs got similar bad press sorted out. Remember the Hill 16 event against us and jumping onto the fence to celebrate a 14 yard free. All removed by Gilroy and look where it led him.

Really? Did you not mind the Spillane squirm fest after the 03 semi that reverberates to this day?
If you win Sam they cant touch you, everyones falling over themselves to say how great you are, look at Kerry last year... they were shite but they won and suddenly they're being compared to the side of the naughties.
Up until Donegal won they were treated like Lepers and then suddenly they were the best team around after the AI win

Tyrone do speak to the media just cos they dont speak to RTE doesnt mean they dont. RTE has the problem they are supposed to be the creditable media outlet but they completely prejudice
What feckin manager wouldn't stick up for his player after he got ripped down by the hair? If he slagged him off it would be dressing room suicide.

Tyrone are nothing like the Pillar Dubs, they were detrimental to themselves, Tyrone are no worse than any other winning team, in fact Monaghan were by far the worse offenders on Sat but Tyrone receive the brunt of everything, its always worse when Tyrone do it? Why is that?

Wise up!
That's just, like your opinion man.


JoG2

Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 03:39:57 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on August 13, 2015, 10:25:46 AM
Quote from: Armamike on August 13, 2015, 09:15:00 AM
It's a bit lazy to pin this on 'the Southern media'. Our own media up north have been vocal this week. Paddy Heaney in the Irish News wrote a fairly damning piece on Tuesday.

Ack sure, he's a Derry man. Much worse than you Armagh ones ;)

I see that Conan Doherty shitetalker on joe.ie is from Derry too, seems to be a theme goin on here...

When you can't match them on the pitch, use whatever backhanded means possible.

An inferiority complex is an awful thing.

ahh naw, did he not agree that big bad Hughes pulled McCann  by the hair and then tripped him to the ground? 

a more decent , sport loving lad you couldn't meet. (young Conan Doherty)

muppet

Quote from: laceer on August 13, 2015, 04:08:43 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 04:02:34 PM

What feckin manager wouldn't stick up for his player after he got ripped down by the hair?


Stop saying this - you're making the rest of your argument look stupid. He dived.

Assault and barbery!
MWWSI 2017

doodaa

This 8 week ban may not be exactly legal or fair on Tyrone or McCann, the GAA are going about it in a completely hamfisted way, BUT, if it rids us of this diving sheeitte then overall it is a good thing.

Someone has to be the first example, it wouldn't be fair on whoever was going to be that example.

Tyrone people can point at Michael Shields, Aidan O'Mahony and the fact they got off with no sanctions but it still doesn't make what McCann did right.

If a Derry player did this in an AI quarter final (we can but dream) id be embarrassed to be from the same county as him. I certainly wouldn't be on here trying to defend him!



omaghjoe

Quote from: JoG2 on August 13, 2015, 04:24:26 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 03:39:57 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on August 13, 2015, 10:25:46 AM
Quote from: Armamike on August 13, 2015, 09:15:00 AM
It's a bit lazy to pin this on 'the Southern media'. Our own media up north have been vocal this week. Paddy Heaney in the Irish News wrote a fairly damning piece on Tuesday.

Ack sure, he's a Derry man. Much worse than you Armagh ones ;)

I see that Conan Doherty shitetalker on joe.ie is from Derry too, seems to be a theme goin on here...

When you can't match them on the pitch, use whatever backhanded means possible.

An inferiority complex is an awful thing.

ahh naw, did he not agree that big bad Hughes pulled McCann  by the hair and then tripped him to the ground? 

a more decent , sport loving lad you couldn't meet. (young Conan Doherty)

That great good for him it doesnt not make him a shitetalker with an inferiority complex who spouts lies to back it up.

JoG2

Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 04:33:22 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 13, 2015, 04:24:26 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 03:39:57 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on August 13, 2015, 10:25:46 AM
Quote from: Armamike on August 13, 2015, 09:15:00 AM
It's a bit lazy to pin this on 'the Southern media'. Our own media up north have been vocal this week. Paddy Heaney in the Irish News wrote a fairly damning piece on Tuesday.

Ack sure, he's a Derry man. Much worse than you Armagh ones ;)

I see that Conan Doherty shitetalker on joe.ie is from Derry too, seems to be a theme goin on here...

When you can't match them on the pitch, use whatever backhanded means possible.

An inferiority complex is an awful thing.

ahh naw, did he not agree that big bad Hughes pulled McCann  by the hair and then tripped him to the ground? 

a more decent , sport loving lad you couldn't meet. (young Conan Doherty)

That great good for him it doesnt not make him a shitetalker with an inferiority complex who spouts lies to back it up.

you are some biscuit

what lies?

omaghjoe

Quote from: laceer on August 13, 2015, 04:08:43 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 04:02:34 PM

What feckin manager wouldn't stick up for his player after he got ripped down by the hair?


Stop saying this - you're making the rest of your argument look stupid. He dived.

Why? Its how I see it.

People spout lies about Tyrone all the time and then its taken as gospel.

Thats how I seen the incident, so thats how I call it.

omaghjoe

Quote from: JoG2 on August 13, 2015, 04:35:52 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 04:33:22 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 13, 2015, 04:24:26 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 03:39:57 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on August 13, 2015, 10:25:46 AM
Quote from: Armamike on August 13, 2015, 09:15:00 AM
It's a bit lazy to pin this on 'the Southern media'. Our own media up north have been vocal this week. Paddy Heaney in the Irish News wrote a fairly damning piece on Tuesday.

Ack sure, he's a Derry man. Much worse than you Armagh ones ;)

I see that Conan Doherty shitetalker on joe.ie is from Derry too, seems to be a theme goin on here...

When you can't match them on the pitch, use whatever backhanded means possible.

An inferiority complex is an awful thing.

ahh naw, did he not agree that big bad Hughes pulled McCann  by the hair and then tripped him to the ground? 

a more decent , sport loving lad you couldn't meet. (young Conan Doherty)

That great good for him it doesnt not make him a shitetalker with an inferiority complex who spouts lies to back it up.

you are some biscuit

what lies?

"But why now? Why the Tyrone man? Why not Michael Shields? Aidan O'Mahony? Why? Because neither of those other incidents resulted in a player being red carded."

JoG2

Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 04:41:08 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 13, 2015, 04:35:52 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 04:33:22 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 13, 2015, 04:24:26 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 03:39:57 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on August 13, 2015, 10:25:46 AM
Quote from: Armamike on August 13, 2015, 09:15:00 AM
It's a bit lazy to pin this on 'the Southern media'. Our own media up north have been vocal this week. Paddy Heaney in the Irish News wrote a fairly damning piece on Tuesday.

Ack sure, he's a Derry man. Much worse than you Armagh ones ;)

I see that Conan Doherty shitetalker on joe.ie is from Derry too, seems to be a theme goin on here...

When you can't match them on the pitch, use whatever backhanded means possible.

An inferiority complex is an awful thing.

ahh naw, did he not agree that big bad Hughes pulled McCann  by the hair and then tripped him to the ground? 

a more decent , sport loving lad you couldn't meet. (young Conan Doherty)

That great good for him it doesnt not make him a shitetalker with an inferiority complex who spouts lies to back it up.

you are some biscuit

what lies?

"But why now? Why the Tyrone man? Why not Michael Shields? Aidan O'Mahony? Why? Because neither of those other incidents resulted in a player being red carded."

oh that 'lie'..yer not wise

HiMucker

Quote from: JoG2 on August 13, 2015, 04:44:06 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 04:41:08 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 13, 2015, 04:35:52 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 04:33:22 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 13, 2015, 04:24:26 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 03:39:57 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on August 13, 2015, 10:25:46 AM
Quote from: Armamike on August 13, 2015, 09:15:00 AM
It's a bit lazy to pin this on 'the Southern media'. Our own media up north have been vocal this week. Paddy Heaney in the Irish News wrote a fairly damning piece on Tuesday.

Ack sure, he's a Derry man. Much worse than you Armagh ones ;)

I see that Conan Doherty shitetalker on joe.ie is from Derry too, seems to be a theme goin on here...

When you can't match them on the pitch, use whatever backhanded means possible.

An inferiority complex is an awful thing.

ahh naw, did he not agree that big bad Hughes pulled McCann  by the hair and then tripped him to the ground? 

a more decent , sport loving lad you couldn't meet. (young Conan Doherty)

That great good for him it doesnt not make him a shitetalker with an inferiority complex who spouts lies to back it up.

you are some biscuit

what lies?

"But why now? Why the Tyrone man? Why not Michael Shields? Aidan O'Mahony? Why? Because neither of those other incidents resulted in a player being red carded."

oh that 'lie'..yer not wise
Mad as a box of frogs  ;D

muppet

Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 04:40:10 PM
Quote from: laceer on August 13, 2015, 04:08:43 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 04:02:34 PM

What feckin manager wouldn't stick up for his player after he got ripped down by the hair?


Stop saying this - you're making the rest of your argument look stupid. He dived.

Why? Its how I see it.

People spout lies about Tyrone all the time and then its taken as gospel.

Thats how I seen the incident, so thats how I call it.

Arguing can be fun. But pick a somewhat credible line of argument.

To 'rip him down by the hair' he would have to:

a) have grabbed his hair,
b) pulled it so the head was dragged immediately down with Hughes hand (McCann's head actually falls away from Hughes' hand),
c) even if the above happened, my 2 year old can withstand having her hair tugged to such an extent that she can remain on her feet.

http://giant.gfycat.com/QualifiedConcreteLabradorretriever.mp4
MWWSI 2017

omaghjoe

Quote from: JoG2 on August 13, 2015, 04:44:06 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 04:41:08 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 13, 2015, 04:35:52 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 04:33:22 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 13, 2015, 04:24:26 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 03:39:57 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on August 13, 2015, 10:25:46 AM
Quote from: Armamike on August 13, 2015, 09:15:00 AM
It's a bit lazy to pin this on 'the Southern media'. Our own media up north have been vocal this week. Paddy Heaney in the Irish News wrote a fairly damning piece on Tuesday.

Ack sure, he's a Derry man. Much worse than you Armagh ones ;)

I see that Conan Doherty shitetalker on joe.ie is from Derry too, seems to be a theme goin on here...

When you can't match them on the pitch, use whatever backhanded means possible.

An inferiority complex is an awful thing.

ahh naw, did he not agree that big bad Hughes pulled McCann  by the hair and then tripped him to the ground? 

a more decent , sport loving lad you couldn't meet. (young Conan Doherty)

That great good for him it doesnt not make him a shitetalker with an inferiority complex who spouts lies to back it up.

you are some biscuit

what lies?

"But why now? Why the Tyrone man? Why not Michael Shields? Aidan O'Mahony? Why? Because neither of those other incidents resulted in a player being red carded."

oh that 'lie'..yer not wise

Wyh 'lie'? I suppose yer gonna tell me its the truth?