Down Club Hurling & Football

[Mourne Red]

The group nature of the JFC is an absolute farce.  Whoever came up with the format needs a boot in the hole.  Straight knockout would have been fine.  Could be playing until October.

What way is that set up? I tried to make sense of of it last night. 3 groups I'm assuming round Robin, so is it 3 winners and best 2nd team into semi finals or how is the structure?

[ardtole]

How many get out off the groups in the jfc? I presumed 2 from the group of 4, and the winner of the 2 groups of 3 qualified for the semis.

[No1]

Top two teams in groups into quarter final. 3rd place in group 1 into quarter final.  3rd place teams in group 2 and 3 have a play off game to see who gets into quarter final.  Quarter finals pencilled in for September 16th.  We have a small panel and most of our boys play hurling and soccer.  In my opinion it's too much.  Teams in Div 4 will be sick of the sight of each other.

[terrifictommy]

Ref was threatened at HT apparently and walked off. Can't blame him.

Genuinely surprised by the limited responses on this one. There will be no Championships running at all if they go on strike similar to the refs in Wexford. We've all complained about decisions here and there but having the ref threatened enough that they leave at half time, that's mental.

[Truth hurts]

Ref was threatened at HT apparently and walked off. Can't blame him.

Genuinely surprised by the limited responses on this one. There will be no Championships running at all if they go on strike similar to the refs in Wexford. We've all complained about decisions here and there but having the ref threatened enough that they leave at half time, that's mental.

If a ref is threatened, clubs should be forced to play all of their senior games away next season. That would be an effective deterrence.

[statto]

What was the actual threat that was made?

[ardtole]

Top two teams in groups into quarter final. 3rd place in group 1 into quarter final.  3rd place teams in group 2 and 3 have a play off game to see who gets into quarter final.  Quarter finals pencilled in for September 16th.  We have a small panel and most of our boys play hurling and soccer.  In my opinion it's too much.  Teams in Div 4 will be sick of the sight of each other.

That is  a ridiculous set up. Games just for the sake off it. It will dilute all sense of championship atmosphere.

There is actually a round Robin of 3 teams and no one is eliminated. Bizarre

[Truth hurts]

Top two teams in groups into quarter final. 3rd place in group 1 into quarter final.  3rd place teams in group 2 and 3 have a play off game to see who gets into quarter final.  Quarter finals pencilled in for September 16th.  We have a small panel and most of our boys play hurling and soccer.  In my opinion it's too much.  Teams in Div 4 will be sick of the sight of each other.

That is  a ridiculous set up. Games just for the sake off it. It will dilute all sense of championship atmosphere.

There is actually a round Robin of 3 teams and no one is eliminated. Bizarre

The county board is unconcerned if it is not the senior or intermediate championship.

There is no money to be made below intermediate, so let's slap something together and hope for the best.

I respect the CCCC but sometimes its frustrating.

[manwithnoplan]

Top two teams in groups into quarter final. 3rd place in group 1 into quarter final.  3rd place teams in group 2 and 3 have a play off game to see who gets into quarter final.  Quarter finals pencilled in for September 16th.  We have a small panel and most of our boys play hurling and soccer.  In my opinion it's too much.  Teams in Div 4 will be sick of the sight of each other.

That is  a ridiculous set up. Games just for the sake off it. It will dilute all sense of championship atmosphere.

There is actually a round Robin of 3 teams and no one is eliminated. Bizarre

Looks like the round robin games are pencilled in for 3 consecutive weekends, with quarter finals the weekend after those finish. So between those weekends, that playoff game needs to be played midweek. Which means junior teams with often small panels, will play an extra game a few days after playing their third championship game, a few days before a quarter final. Farcical. The group of 4 teams looks to be the weakest group, but that third place team will go straight to the quarters, while other teams must play off.

[manwithnoplan]

Ref was threatened at HT apparently and walked off. Can't blame him.

Genuinely surprised by the limited responses on this one. There will be no Championships running at all if they go on strike similar to the refs in Wexford. We've all complained about decisions here and there but having the ref threatened enough that they leave at half time, that's mental.

If a ref is threatened, clubs should be forced to play all of their senior games away next season. That would be an effective deterrence.

Clubs should be fined and banned from playing some fixtures. That affects league positions. Or depending on circumstance, banned from championship. The only way to stamp it out is to dish out an impactful punishment. Playing away games is not really much of a deterrent. It seems to be getting worse, people seem to forget that even of you have a senior panel of 30 and hundreds of members, nobody plays a match without a referee.

[DownFanatic]

CCC were probably genuinely looking to give the JFC sides as many Championship games as they could, broadly in line with the IFC and JFC. But the format, while not completely meaningless, only eliminates two teams after the first phase of fixtures. With Division 4 having given 11 games and the two new split sections hosting an additional 5 games minimum, I'd say most JFC teams would have been happy with a straight knockout championship. Two preliminary round games to eliminate two teams then quarters, semis and final.

[ardtole]

Would 2 groups of 5, with 4 meaningful games (bar a possible dead rubber game towards the end), with top 2 going through. Winner of each group plays runner up from other group in the semis.

A round robin group of 3 with no immediate elimination is like a go games blitz.

[supersub]

The number of opinions and formats here shows exactly how hard it would be to a. Please everyone and b. Get the best suitable format i.e not many and not too few games. The number of teams in JFC doesn't lend itself to traditional formats unless you are looking straight knockout. Even then someone is going to have to play prelim etc. Our fixtures, structures and formats are generally pretty good in comparison to other counties. Let's not use this as another stick to beat CCC.

[ardtole]

I'd generally agree with you. But what is going ahead is utter madness, though as someone mentioned earlier when you are in junior, you are somewhat of an afterthought.

[manwithnoplan]

The number of opinions and formats here shows exactly how hard it would be to a. Please everyone and b. Get the best suitable format i.e not many and not too few games. The number of teams in JFC doesn't lend itself to traditional formats unless you are looking straight knockout. Even then someone is going to have to play prelim etc. Our fixtures, structures and formats are generally pretty good in comparison to other counties. Let's not use this as another stick to beat CCC.

Straight knockout with a preliminary round was done for many years without any problems.