Down Club Hurling & Football

[Truth hurts]

I don't want to offend anyone but they would beat Tecoonaght, Bosco, Banbridge and the Fin.

[thewobbler]

It would take a few years to settle down, or maybe fold, or maybe be stopped.

I would think if Burren IIs went to D4, as a team they'd reap an immediate reward with plenty of lads in their mid-20s committing solely to that team, with the carrot of 20+ games a year proving very strong. And that would see them smash all around them in D4 and most of D3.

But after a couple of years, assuming they wouldn't be permitted into D2 or the IFC, that initial passion/desire would surely subside. It might start up every few years when there's a handful of fringe senior players decide to throw their weight into junior football. But it wouldn't be a constant.

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Would it be a more pertinent question to ask why Burren are party to such a broad catchment area when it's not possible to convert their legions of youngsters into adult players? I means it's different for Duff and Bredagh, where the next club is 10 miles away. But if you've got lads from Forest Hills in Newry, which go to school in Newry, shop in Newry, go to chapel in Newry, etc, maybe they should be considered Shamrocks / Mitchels / Harps instead?

[upandwin]

Make far too much sense that Wobbler...The long and short of it is that Burren have a reputation of winning and producing good players so anyone that's even remotely on the cusp of Burren's surrounding areas all want to go and play there...Decades of Ballyholland, Warrenpoint, Saval and Newry people making the trek to Burren because they had a great uncle that played for Burren thirds in the 70s and that's the justification for people choosing Burren. truth of it is there is a snobbery about South Down that if you want your children to get the best coaching and chance to be a superstar you send them to Burren...certainly supports the 'build it and they will come' theory

[snoopdog]

My view is its a non runner adding 2nds and 3rds to div 3 or 4 and into junior championships. Unfair on smaller clubs who do massive work with a limited pick that the chance of winning something is even less likely by adding the big clubs reserves into the mix. All this talk of burren 2nds and 3rds but yet they can't dominate the senior championship. Possibly look at that 1st. And Im not having a go as I have no allegiance to any of the senior clubs in Down.

[lumpitin]

Down panel for tonight
Charlie smith ; Eoin Murdock , Niall mcparland , Gerard Collins; Pierce Laverty, Darren O'Hagan, Daniel Guinness; Caolan Mooney, Gerard McGovern ; Oran Murdock, Rory Burns; Pearse Mcpolin, Gerard McGovern, Gerard Collins; Pierce Laverty, Ronan McCarthy,Barry O'Hagan; Steven Fegan, Liam Middleton, Cory Quinn, Andrew Gilmore, Daniel McCarthy, Ross Carr, Tom close

[upandwin]

Strange one that Gerard McGovern is included given that he isn't committing this year...fair play to him

[bigarsedkeeper]

It would take a few years to settle down, or maybe fold, or maybe be stopped.

I would think if Burren IIs went to D4, as a team they'd reap an immediate reward with plenty of lads in their mid-20s committing solely to that team, with the carrot of 20+ games a year proving very strong. And that would see them smash all around them in D4 and most of D3.

But after a couple of years, assuming they wouldn't be permitted into D2 or the IFC, that initial passion/desire would surely subside. It might start up every few years when there's a handful of fringe senior players decide to throw their weight into junior football. But it wouldn't be a constant.

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Would it be a more pertinent question to ask why Burren are party to such a broad catchment area when it's not possible to convert their legions of youngsters into adult players? I means it's different for Duff and Bredagh, where the next club is 10 miles away. But if you've got lads from Forest Hills in Newry, which go to school in Newry, shop in Newry, go to chapel in Newry, etc, maybe they should be considered Shamrocks / Mitchels / Harps instead?

How do you change that without killing off smaller clubs elsewhere? In Annaclone we would would have players who lived in Banbridge or Rathfriland but always played for us because their fathers took them early on. Some came later too before anyone makes that point. Even Kilcoo, not that they're a small club anymore, wouldn't have the housing to keep all their players there for the next generation so they would have underage players living in Newcastle and Castlewellan. Surely the Harps would have a bit of the same issue?

[Truth hurts]

I do not think that any Sigerson players are playing tonight.
I do think the county board needs to do something about the number of players in Burren and maybe offload them to junior clubs for a season or two. Mitchells need players so the Newry Burren players could go to them for a start. The Saval Burren players could go on loan to Saval for a year and see how they fare out. We could unearth more players for the county then as I am sure there are players missing out.

[thewobbler]

Make far too much sense that Wobbler...The long and short of it is that Burren have a reputation of winning and producing good players so anyone that's even remotely on the cusp of Burren's surrounding areas all want to go and play there...Decades of Ballyholland, Warrenpoint, Saval and Newry people making the trek to Burren because they had a great uncle that played for Burren thirds in the 70s and that's the justification for people choosing Burren. truth of it is there is a snobbery about South Down that if you want your children to get the best coaching and chance to be a superstar you send them to Burren...certainly supports the 'build it and they will come' theory

Why bring "South Down" into this? Seriously? Do a headcount on how many adult players have transferred into larger clubs over the past 50 years, and the only thing you'll learn is that the trends are not regional.

There is no war.

[Truth hurts]

Ach Wobbler there is a snobbery from the south Down super clubs at times

[thewobbler]

Can you define what you mean by snobbery?

Also it would be good if you could clarify if you mean Burren, or Burren and others.

[upandwin]

I mentioned South Down because that's where I'm from and all I know about in terms of players getting sent to the bigger clubs and using the schools as a way of justifying it...I'm sure it does happen all over the county, I just wouldn't have heard about where and why...but I know for a fact it's been happening for years in and around Burren...as do you

[upandwin]

Can you define what you mean by snobbery?

Also it would be good if you could clarify if you mean Burren, or Burren and others.

What I mean by Snobbery is that I've heard from a number of people that 'the coaching is better and they take football much more serious in Burren than any other club in their proximity'...which to be honest I can't argue with but I think if you live in a parish you should play there despite generations before you but that's just my opinion. I have seen on many occasions that a child will be purposely sent to Carrick PS because they have a mixed school, where there wasn't one in Warrenpoint. That was a tool for parents to say if they school in Burren they should play with their friends...but no there's a mixed PS in W'Point it is still happening so I that's what I'm referring to as snobbery Wobbler.

[upandwin]

Confirmed lineup from reliable source

Charlie Smyth

Paul Martin
Paddy Murdock
Peter fegan

Adam lynch
Niall mcparland
Kevin Mckernan

Caolan Mooney
Oran Murdock

Shane annett
Conor poland
Sean OConnor

Corey Quinn
Pat havern
Arthur mcconville

Some nonsense spouted on this forum ffs hahahaha...I'd be surprised if 4 of those are right.

Charlie Smyth- I'd Guess Burns will play

Paul Martin - Never heard of him
Paddy Murdock - Won't start tonight
Peter fegan - Possible

Adam lynch - Not even on the squad this year
Niall mcparland - Possible
Kevin Mckernan - Won't be playing

Caolan Mooney - Won't be playing
Oran Murdock - Possible but highly doubt he'll start

Shane annett - Don't even think he's on the squad this year
Conor poland - Don't think he's on the squad this year
Sean OConnor - No idea who he is

Corey Quinn - Not playing McKenna Cup
Pat havern - Probably will start
Arthur mcconville - Not on the squad this year

Reliable source alright...don't quit the day job

[Truth hurts]

Well, Burren takes players from the Point, Rostrevor, Newry, Saval, and Mayobridge.
Ballyholland now is taking a lot from Newry and taking players who would have been traditionally playing for the 3 Newry town teams.
Mayobridge would always have  Saval and Drumgath parish players.
Clonduff would take from Drumgath and Rostrevor.
An Riocht would take anyone with a mourne accent ffs
Glenn takes players from Saval, Pontzpass, Newry etc, and anyone who has ever attended Dromintine Sunday.
Annaclone: If you play for Aghaderg then the Clone thinks that they can poach you.
Tullylish: Their scheme to try and win an u15 plate this year is enough for me. Probably the biggest embarrassment in Down GAA this century so far and we have had a lot.

Do you want me to go on