Down Club Hurling & Football

[TakeTheMark]

Correct, I was just posing the question as prior to format changes across the province, probably between 2005-2012(?), while Errigal were the only team to win it, there were certainly more Tyrone teams reaching finals. After the format changes in other counties even these final appearances have dried up for Tyrone clubs.

It could simply be coincidence, as I say I was only posing the question so all angles are considered before arriving at the conclusion that one format is better than another.

[skat man]

I think the fact that only one Tyrone club has won Ulster in the 50 odd years it has been on the go suggests that it has nothing to do with the championship formats other counties have used. Most, if not all counties would have used a straight knockout for the majority of those years.

not saying you are wrong but look at it another way, all tyrone clubs are fully concentrating on just winning the tyrone championship so cant plan to peak for ulster. in alot of other counties that isnt the case

[Mourne Red]

It won't happen but if you're wanting to make more meaningful fixtures in SFC probably best way to do that is to reduce the amount of teams in it.

[skat man]

true, possibly no matter what format you use the kilcoos , derygonnellys and crosses of the world will still prevail

[Twix]

I think Down have it spot on with their Championship formats. The only issue would be scheduling and venues. So much more potential to make the championship season good for supporters and watchers

[Hard2Listen2]

Division 1 managers 2024?

Kilcoo - K Lacey
Burren -
CPN -
Clonduff - J Kennedy?
Mayobridge - M Walsh?
Carryduff - F Moriarty
Loughinisland - C O'Toole
Bredagh - ?
Ballyholland - S Mulholland?
Castlewellan - C McCabe

Division 2

Longstone - ?
Bryansford - J Magorrian
RGU - K Duffin & C McCrickard
Rostrevor - ?
Saval - ?
Saul - ?
Liatroim - P Murray
Shamrocks - DJ Kane
An Riocht  - C Kelly
St John's - ?

Division 3

Glenn - S Clark?
Drumgath - J Lynch?
Annaclone- J Clarke?
Ballymartin- ?
Attical - ?
Tullylish - ?
Darragh - B Mason
Banbridge- ?
Bosco - ?
Finn - M Copeland?

Division 4

Drumaness - P Morgan?
St Paul's- P Hannigan?
Bright - M McCartan?
Dromara - J Fegan
Teconnaght - C Laverty
Kilclief - S Curran?
Ardglass - K Smyth?
Dundrum - R McCartan
East Belfast - ?
Aghaderg - ?
St Michael's - L McAlinden?
Glasdrumman - ?

Anyone able to fill in any blanks or correct any errors above?

I should add that Mitchell's & Ballykinler aren't included. I'm assuming they won't field.

[Gaelforce123]

Not sure of all and maybe some have moved on but as far as I believe

Kilcoo - K Lacey
Burren - not in place
CPN - not in place
Clonduff - not in place
Mayobridge - Bernie Murray
Carryduff - F Moriarty
Loughinisland - C O'Toole
Bredagh - G & T McAnulty
Ballyholland - S Mulholland
Castlewellan - unsure

Division 2

Longstone - C Branigan
Bryansford - Not in Place
RGU - K Duffin & C McCrickard
Rostrevor - Not In place
Saval - Not in Place
Saul - Not in Place
Liatroim - P Murray & S Johnson
Shamrocks - DJ Kane
An Riocht  - C Kelly
St John's - S Curran

Division 3

Glenn - S Clark
Drumgath - P Hynes
Annaclone- J Clarke
Ballymartin- Not in Place
Attical - Rafferty
Tullylish - R McShane
Darragh - B Mason
Banbridge- P Feeney
Bosco - M McVeigh
Finn - M Copeland

Division 4

Drumaness - P Morgan
St Paul's- P Hannigan
Bright - Not in Place
Dromara - J Fegan
Teconnaght - C Laverty
Kilclief -
Ardglass -
Dundrum - R McCartan
East Belfast - Not in Place
Aghaderg - Not in Place
St Michael's - L McAlinden
Glasdrumman - Not in Place

[snoopdog]

The lack of Tyrone teams success in the senior ulster club championship doesn't hamper their County team. Best in ulster last 20 odd years. It's seriously competitive. I listened to a former Tyrone player a few months back on the GAA social and he said they look to win a senior championship and then get in the Tyrone panel. That's their goal .they rarely look beyond a Tyrone championship title.  Tyrone championship is competitive. Downs isn't. Kilcoo breeze through it.
 

[skat man]

If there is a pattern between club and county success, I've yet to see it. It appears to be totally random.

You had Crossmaglen breezing through Armagh and being successful during a period when Armagh rose to win an All Ireland.
Alternatively, you have Kilcoo breezing through Down and being successful during a poor period of Down county football.
And, as you say, Tyrone were a dominant team in Ulster when their club championship was ultra competitive but they have no standout club.

There is no link.

i would have to disagree, tyrone are in the mix every year in ulster and all ireland , they are consistent in that regard , other teams have flashes of 1-3 years but tyrone are always in the top 8 in ireland imo . so surely that correlates to say what they are doing at club level is successful or at least more consistently successful ?

[statto]

If there is a pattern between club and county success, I've yet to see it. It appears to be totally random.

You had Crossmaglen breezing through Armagh and being successful during a period when Armagh rose to win an All Ireland.
Alternatively, you have Kilcoo breezing through Down and being successful during a poor period of Down county football.
And, as you say, Tyrone were a dominant team in Ulster when their club championship was ultra competitive but they have no standout club.

There is no link.

in relation to cross they won all irelands in 2011 &2012 when Armagh wee very much in a transition phase and one of the weaker sides in Ulster.  You would think that a good club side should be good for the county though. I would imagine cross first all ireland certainly helped Armagh eventually get over the line from a mentality point of view.

[snoopdog]

Down weren't massively improved when thr kilcoo boys came back in. Now Down Re obviously a work in progress and the lack of big men doesn't do them much good either. But bar them and Burren what club are producing good underage teams consistently.  Tyrone are always competitive at all grades. So their clubs,  schools and development squads are doing a lot right. Success breeds success. Derry are starting on that curve also competing at all levels. A dominant successful club in a county does very little for the county team. Bar Dr crokes with Cooper in the team when did a kerry team last win an senior all Ireland club.  Dub clubs prob different due to sheer numbers. Can't be any bigger clubs in country compared to Kilmacud, Ballyboden,Judes, Vincent's.

[Hard2Listen2]

Hearing rumours of a few more managerial movers but not confirmed yet.

Anyone else hear anything?

Truth Hurts you're usually in the know. What's happening?

[sdg]

Hearing rumours of a few more managerial movers but not confirmed yet.

Anyone else hear anything?

Truth Hurts you're usually in the know. What's happening?

Sure why don't you tell us the rumours?

[Hard2Listen2]

Hearing rumours of a few more managerial movers but not confirmed yet.

Anyone else hear anything?

Truth Hurts you're usually in the know. What's happening?

Sure why don't you tell us the rumours?

Wouldn't be right to put something up until it's confirmed. Could be embarrassing to any individual or club if it's not true.

[sdg]

Hearing rumours of a few more managerial movers but not confirmed yet.

Anyone else hear anything?

Truth Hurts you're usually in the know. What's happening?

Sure why don't you tell us the rumours?

Wouldn't be right to put something up until it's confirmed. Could be embarrassing to any individual or club if it's not true.

So you would be happy for others to give out names?