Down Club Hurling & Football

[Square Ball]

Johnny Glynn in yesterday's game on tg4 was outrageous, made Johnsons incident look tame in comparison.

Watched it, had to rewind just to be sure.

[dingle82]

Need to clamp down of these incidents.

[County Star]

So what triggers them to do an investigation into any incident if they have the appropriate video footage?

1. If the referee's report highlights that an incident took place, which might require further investigation.

Or

2. One of the competing teams submits a complaint to the CCC and requests an investigation.

——

What people need to understand here is that it is not in CCC's interests to open an investigation unless requested to do so. By following this approach, they can be regarded as unbiased. The very moment a CCC member independently tries to launch an investigation, is the same moment that cries of a witch hunt echo out.

Thanks.

Carryduff then should 100% be putting in a complaint. That stuff there has no place on the field. Same for the Galway hurling incident.

Carryduff the whiter than white bastion of fair play  and decency ?

[delgany]

So what triggers them to do an investigation into any incident if they have the appropriate video footage?

1. If the referee's report highlights that an incident took place, which might require further investigation.

Or

2. One of the competing teams submits a complaint to the CCC and requests an investigation.

——

What people need to understand here is that it is not in CCC's interests to open an investigation unless requested to do so. By following this approach, they can be regarded as unbiased. The very moment a CCC member independently tries to launch an investigation, is the same moment that cries of a witch hunt echo out.

Thanks.

Carryduff then should 100% be putting in a complaint. That stuff there has no place on the field. Same for the Galway hurling incident.

Carryduff the whiter than white bastion of fair play  and decency ?

You have 3 days after game to request an investigation or lodge a complaint

[downtothecore]

If orahan murdock heads to aussie rules then that would be a big blow to down football.

[ardtole]

It would be a huge blow to Down and Burren. I came across the article yesterday, it said there were 2 week trial taking place in Australia at the end of this month, is he likely to miss any Burren sfc games?  Is he definitely going?

[snoopdog]

Big blow for Down and Burren. At moment it's just trials. I'd be surprised if he isn't offered a rookie contract with a club. If he gets the chance to play professional sport then best of luck to the lad.  Massive loss though.

[Splash]

Páirc Esler has been chosen as the venue to host the return of the hurling-shinty International Rules Series between Ireland and Scotland. An unexpected but welcome surprise. Was expecting to have to trek down the country, something just not as enjoyable in the winter months, so great that it is on the doorstep. Wouldn't know much about composite rules hurling, but whatever way you look at it, it's either an honour for Down to act as the home pitch for the national team playing the national sport of Ireland, or it's a great novelty and something to talk about. Either way, no bad thing.

Will be hopeful for an Irish victory- been nearly ten years apparently since Ireland last won a series.

Wonder how much of a feature Down players will get. Assuming that the competition will draw from players at the McDonagh/Ring level, as opposed to the MacCarhy level, surely you would expect to see a few Down heads in the mix? 

Great to see Páirc Esler getting a bit of use for stuff outside the purposes of Down GAA. Would be unreasonable to expect Newry to be treated like Clones or the Athletic Grounds, but it is a good location; where north meets south. Would never expect it to be used for Ulster or National League finals, but for stuff like All Ireland Club Semi Finals, matches between teams from down south and teams from Antirm/Derry, it could be a good choice.

Also glad Newry has been chosen and not McKenna Park in Ballycran. Ballycran is an absolute great club, and I'm sure it was never going to be considered, but more hurling needs to be showcased in Newry. I'm sure a lot of lads from the Ards will disagree, but it's great to have the hurling finals in Newry. It would be great if Down played more hurling games in Newry. I completely understand that people in the Ards will wonder where the wisdom is in moving 2 clubs across the county to play a game, but I think the more hurling is showcased in South Down, the better the effect for Down Hurling overall.
A lot of people in Down either view hurling as a minority game and underestimate the County's  standing, or view it as something those ones on the Ards Peninsula get up to so leave them at it. We simply cannot keep relying on 3 small, rural clubs to uphold the County Scene. Keeping hurling confided to the Ards, whilst handy for most, doesn't do anything to help the game.
If Bryansford were to play Kilcoo in the football final, we wouldn't expect the game to be held in Castlewellen. We'd expect it to be held in the county stadium. Hurling has to become of a similar mindset. Hurling has to spread beyond the Ards in order for Down to flourish, and opportunities like this are great for that.

But that's a discussion to be had next month when the inconvenience comes to life of people from the Ards having to drive over an hour just to watch their team play the parish that is normally 5 minutes down the road 

In the meantime, it's great to know that Down GAA is playing host to an international hurling event, and hopefully plenty of Down Gaels take a notion to see what the craic is and go have a look.

Is it too early to start telling the Scots that the home of hurling isn't Thurles- it's Newry?

[johnnycool]

Páirc Esler has been chosen as the venue to host the return of the hurling-shinty International Rules Series between Ireland and Scotland. An unexpected but welcome surprise. Was expecting to have to trek down the country, something just not as enjoyable in the winter months, so great that it is on the doorstep. Wouldn't know much about composite rules hurling, but whatever way you look at it, it's either an honour for Down to act as the home pitch for the national team playing the national sport of Ireland, or it's a great novelty and something to talk about. Either way, no bad thing.

Will be hopeful for an Irish victory- been nearly ten years apparently since Ireland last won a series.

Wonder how much of a feature Down players will get. Assuming that the competition will draw from players at the McDonagh/Ring level, as opposed to the MacCarhy level, surely you would expect to see a few Down heads in the mix? 

Great to see Páirc Esler getting a bit of use for stuff outside the purposes of Down GAA. Would be unreasonable to expect Newry to be treated like Clones or the Athletic Grounds, but it is a good location; where north meets south. Would never expect it to be used for Ulster or National League finals, but for stuff like All Ireland Club Semi Finals, matches between teams from down south and teams from Antirm/Derry, it could be a good choice.

Also glad Newry has been chosen and not McKenna Park in Ballycran. Ballycran is an absolute great club, and I'm sure it was never going to be considered, but more hurling needs to be showcased in Newry. I'm sure a lot of lads from the Ards will disagree, but it's great to have the hurling finals in Newry. It would be great if Down played more hurling games in Newry. I completely understand that people in the Ards will wonder where the wisdom is in moving 2 clubs across the county to play a game, but I think the more hurling is showcased in South Down, the better the effect for Down Hurling overall.
A lot of people in Down either view hurling as a minority game and underestimate the County's  standing, or view it as something those ones on the Ards Peninsula get up to so leave them at it. We simply cannot keep relying on 3 small, rural clubs to uphold the County Scene. Keeping hurling confided to the Ards, whilst handy for most, doesn't do anything to help the game.
If Bryansford were to play Kilcoo in the football final, we wouldn't expect the game to be held in Castlewellen. We'd expect it to be held in the county stadium. Hurling has to become of a similar mindset. Hurling has to spread beyond the Ards in order for Down to flourish, and opportunities like this are great for that.

But that's a discussion to be had next month when the inconvenience comes to life of people from the Ards having to drive over an hour just to watch their team play the parish that is normally 5 minutes down the road 

In the meantime, it's great to know that Down GAA is playing host to an international hurling event, and hopefully plenty of Down Gaels take a notion to see what the craic is and go have a look.

Is it too early to start telling the Scots that the home of hurling isn't Thurles- it's Newry?

The last two, maybe three senior hurling finals have been played in Newry and whilst the ferry boat is an absolute pain in the hole, not to mention additional expense there's been no complaints for the Ards teams in relation to this.

As for the Shinty thing, it's great to say you've represented your country for any hurler but the game itself is utter písh as well as pretty dangerous for the Irish lads.
We'd a lad played over in Scotland, got the ankle well mangled when hit full belt with a shinty stick which is far longer and harder than an ash hurl.

[thewobbler]

Honest question.

How many years of anti-entertainment will it take before we just stop going to games?

Can we really expect neutrals and peripheral club people to go along to championship games if there's nothing even remotely approaching a championship atmosphere or intensity?

I'm not even sure if club football has bottomed out yet. Every year it gets worse.

[Gaelforce123]

Coaching, tactics etc aside, for as long as there is a back door the Championship atmosphere is dead

[Sandstorm]

The game in Kilcoo tonight was crap. This was notlhing to do with modern coaching but the reality was one team was superior to l the other. Are you trying to tell me this did not happen in the last 50 years? Of course it did. Memories are short, we all think summers were filled with sunshine, not true.

[Splash]

Páirc Esler has been chosen as the venue to host the return of the hurling-shinty International Rules Series between Ireland and Scotland. An unexpected but welcome surprise. Was expecting to have to trek down the country, something just not as enjoyable in the winter months, so great that it is on the doorstep. Wouldn't know much about composite rules hurling, but whatever way you look at it, it's either an honour for Down to act as the home pitch for the national team playing the national sport of Ireland, or it's a great novelty and something to talk about. Either way, no bad thing.

Will be hopeful for an Irish victory- been nearly ten years apparently since Ireland last won a series.

Wonder how much of a feature Down players will get. Assuming that the competition will draw from players at the McDonagh/Ring level, as opposed to the MacCarhy level, surely you would expect to see a few Down heads in the mix? 

Great to see Páirc Esler getting a bit of use for stuff outside the purposes of Down GAA. Would be unreasonable to expect Newry to be treated like Clones or the Athletic Grounds, but it is a good location; where north meets south. Would never expect it to be used for Ulster or National League finals, but for stuff like All Ireland Club Semi Finals, matches between teams from down south and teams from Antirm/Derry, it could be a good choice.

Also glad Newry has been chosen and not McKenna Park in Ballycran. Ballycran is an absolute great club, and I'm sure it was never going to be considered, but more hurling needs to be showcased in Newry. I'm sure a lot of lads from the Ards will disagree, but it's great to have the hurling finals in Newry. It would be great if Down played more hurling games in Newry. I completely understand that people in the Ards will wonder where the wisdom is in moving 2 clubs across the county to play a game, but I think the more hurling is showcased in South Down, the better the effect for Down Hurling overall.
A lot of people in Down either view hurling as a minority game and underestimate the County's  standing, or view it as something those ones on the Ards Peninsula get up to so leave them at it. We simply cannot keep relying on 3 small, rural clubs to uphold the County Scene. Keeping hurling confided to the Ards, whilst handy for most, doesn't do anything to help the game.
If Bryansford were to play Kilcoo in the football final, we wouldn't expect the game to be held in Castlewellen. We'd expect it to be held in the county stadium. Hurling has to become of a similar mindset. Hurling has to spread beyond the Ards in order for Down to flourish, and opportunities like this are great for that.

But that's a discussion to be had next month when the inconvenience comes to life of people from the Ards having to drive over an hour just to watch their team play the parish that is normally 5 minutes down the road 

In the meantime, it's great to know that Down GAA is playing host to an international hurling event, and hopefully plenty of Down Gaels take a notion to see what the craic is and go have a look.

Is it too early to start telling the Scots that the home of hurling isn't Thurles- it's Newry?

The last two, maybe three senior hurling finals have been played in Newry and whilst the ferry boat is an absolute pain in the hole, not to mention additional expense there's been no complaints for the Ards teams in relation to this.

As for the Shinty thing, it's great to say you've represented your country for any hurler but the game itself is utter písh as well as pretty dangerous for the Irish lads.
We'd a lad played over in Scotland, got the ankle well mangled when hit full belt with a shinty stick which is far longer and harder than an ash hurl.

Great to hear that fellas on the Ards don't mind the journey for the final. Last year heard a few weren't pleased at the final being in Newry, but as long as most people don't mind, that's great.

Not expecting a showcase of a game for the shinty, but it will be a great novelty at the very least and hopefully be a good talking point. The rules can make things awkward enough for the Irish lads, though, imo. Not being able to catch or kick the ball, etc., very natural parts of hurling, undoubtedly makes it difficult.
All the same, I hope it's a good bit of craic, and as you say, an honour for anyone to play for their country.

Those shinty sticks are a piece of work. Was playing a game myself in Glasgow one time and got a look at them. Wouldn't say a slap off one would be too nice.

[Splash]

Interesting championship hurling coming up in the next few days.

Will be interesting to see how competitive Ballygalget are with Portaferry. Not too much to be said on this game. Both teams will be in the semi finals. Would expect portaferry to come away with the win, but you never know with these sort of matches. Portaferry weren't miles better that Liatroim, so a Ballygalget victory very much possible in my opinion.

Great chance for Liatroim to take a massive scalp when they host Ballycran. They will feel after the Portaferry game that they are within touching distance of rattling the Ards teams. A full firing Liatroim team has it in them to shock the system and get the win.
Despite this, Ballycran are the strongest team in Down atm. A fully firing Ballycran team will beat a fully firing Liatroim team. Not sure if Liatroim defence can deal with the power of the Ballycran attack.
Will be good to see Paul Sheehan playing on South Down soil. 

Newry Shamrocks v Bredagh to see who finishes bottom. Expect Bredagh to win. The game is in Belfast and Bredagh simply a better hurling side than Newry.
Awful year for both teams, not hitting anywhere near the highs they were in previous years. Particularly Bredagh. Have made so much progress in recent years and seemed to collapse this year. Hopefully just a bad run and they will be back soon. Same for Shamrocks.

I know bottom two of senior championship get entered into this years intermediate championship at the knockout stage, but will both teams be relegated as well for next year? Would mean you could potentially end up with 6 or 7 teams in the intermediate championship next year. Wouldn't expect either team to win intermediate atm either, tbh.

[thewobbler]

The game in Kilcoo tonight was crap. This was notlhing to do with modern coaching but the reality was one team was superior to l the other. Are you trying to tell me this did not happen in the last 50 years? Of course it did. Memories are short, we all think summers were filled with sunshine, not true.

For the decade or so I was involved with Ballyholland senior football, we were routinely slapped in the SFC. So I'm not trying to tell you hidings are a new phenomenon.

But I'm absolutely sure it was never as boring as what we now have.

This is where we are at now. Players in the gym all year round. Group training getting underway before Christmas, running around with the utter nonsense that is GPS strapped to their back ever since. Days of video analysis per season. Pushing out holidays, lads weekends, weddings, summers abroad.

All of these measures in place, and not one of them doing a single thing to improve the game. It's just teams losing by more than they ever did, except absolutely shit scared to compete at midfield, or to kick the ball forwards.

Our game is fucked.