Long Kesh Park takes another step forward

[his holiness nb]

You said you'd been to 'out of the way' stadia and they all had hotels, bars etc.

Sammy, with respect, read the post again 

I've read it and I'm none the wiser.

I'll really cant help you there so 

[nifan]

There is no argument,logical sensible economical to site this in Belfast.

So the economics professors making arguments against it are not up to your standards Tony?

[SammyG]

You said you'd been to 'out of the way' stadia and they all had hotels, bars etc.

Sammy, with respect, read the post again 

I've read it and I'm none the wiser.

I'll really cant help you there so 

So does that mean you don't have a list of 'out of the way' stadia (or even 1 or 2 examples), with good facilities?

[stiffler]

You said you'd been to 'out of the way' stadia and they all had hotels, bars etc.

Sammy, with respect, read the post again 

I've read it and I'm none the wiser.

I'll really cant help you there so 

So does that mean you don't have a list of 'out of the way' stadia (or even 1 or 2 examples), with good facilities?

Sydney Olympic Stadium, Homebush. Leathal facilities and access.

[his holiness nb]

sammy "So does that mean you don't have a list of 'out of the way' stadia (or even 1 or 2 examples), with good facilities?"

No it means if you are too lazy to read back through my short post to see where you deliberately misquoted me, I couldnt be arsed indulging you. 

[SammyG]

Sydney Olympic Stadium, Homebush. Leathal facilities and access.

Are you taking the piss? The Olympic stadium is in Sydney with access from road, rail, bus, ferry, how is that comparable to a field in the middle of nowhere?

[stiffler]

''Telstra Stadium is ideally located in the demographic and geographic heart of Sydney, just 17km west of Sydney's CBD, and 8km from Parramatta. Half of Sydney's population of 4 million live within half an hour's drive of Sydney Olympic Park.''

17kms from the centre of Sydney, thats a greater distance from the maze to Belfast. Do you want a spade......

[SammyG]

sammy "So does that mean you don't have a list of 'out of the way' stadia (or even 1 or 2 examples), with good facilities?"

No it means if you are too lazy to read back through my short post to see where you deliberately misquoted me, I couldnt be arsed indulging you. 

I've read and re-read your post a few times and I don't see where I mis-quoted you, either deliberately or otherwise.

[SammyG]

''Telstra Stadium is ideally located in the demographic and geographic heart of Sydney, just 17km west of Sydney's CBD, and 8km from Parramatta. Half of Sydney's population of 4 million live within half an hour's drive of Sydney Olympic Park.''

17kms from the centre of Sydney, thats a greater distance from the maze to Belfast. Do you want a spade......

The stadium is in Sydney it is 17K from the business district (a bit like Wembley is to the centre of London). It also has links by road, bus, train and ferry. I'll ask again how does that compare to the Maze?

[stiffler]

The stadium in Sydney is an outer city location with excellent conferencing and hotel facilities. This is possible with the Maze. The maze has access via roads (the M1), bus, trains (Moira, Lisburn stations), by air (International Airport). You cant see the wood from the trees Samuel. Your just like the British, stiff upper lip.

[SammyG]

The stadium in Sydney is an outer city location with excellent conferencing and hotel facilities. This is possible with the Maze. The maze has access via roads (the M1), bus, trains (Moira, Lisburn stations), by air (International Airport). You cant see the wood from the trees Samuel. Your just like the British, stiff upper lip.

As you obviously didn't read the transport info, that I posted earlier, I'll pick out a few points for you.

There are no plans and no money for a new road spur to the Maze
There are no plans and no money to provide a rail link to the Maze
Even if there were plans for a rail link there aren't enouh trains in the whole of NI to cope with the capacity required
There are no plans and no spare capacity for new bus services to the Maze.

Even if all of these could be resolved you still haven't answered the question of how you'd get people from the airport/bus station/train station to the ground? Are you expecting 40000 people to walk 5-6 miles?

[stiffler]

The stadium in Sydney is an outer city location with excellent conferencing and hotel facilities. This is possible with the Maze. The maze has access via roads (the M1), bus, trains (Moira, Lisburn stations), by air (International Airport). You cant see the wood from the trees Samuel. Your just like the British, stiff upper lip.

As you obviously didn't read the transport info, that I posted earlier, I'll pick out a few points for you.

There are no plans and no money for a new road spur to the Maze
There are no plans and no money to provide a rail link to the Maze
Even if there were plans for a rail link there aren't enouh trains in the whole of NI to cope with the capacity required
There are no plans and no spare capacity for new bus services to the Maze.

Even if all of these could be resolved you still haven't answered the question of how you'd get people from the airport/bus station/train station to the ground? Are you expecting 40000 people to walk 5-6 miles?

So you reckon they are gonna build a new stadium at the maze and dont have a road leading onto the main road. hmmmmm sounds a bit strange there sammy. and you reckon it is 5/6 miles from the maze to the nearest bus stop? hmmmmm.

If what you see is true, someone with a bit of cop on could make a killing when this new stadium opens by providing transport by shuttle bus, taxi etc. However something tells me that you simply do'nt want this stadium in the maze.

[nifan]

The telstra stadium.
Not in the middle of nowhere
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?ll=-33.84734,151.063643&spn=0.008592,0.005932&t=k

[SammyG]

So you reckon they are gonna build a new stadium at the maze and dont have a road leading onto the main road. hmmmmm sounds a bit strange there sammy.

It is worse than strange it is unworkable. That is the whole crux of the problem.

and you reckon it is 5/6 miles from the maze to the nearest bus stop? hmmmmm.

No I aid it was 5-6 miles from the nearest bus station. My question was how do you get from the station to the Maze?

If what you see is true, someone with a bit of cop on could make a killing when this new stadium opens by providing transport by shuttle bus, taxi etc. However something tells me that you simply do'nt want this stadium in the maze.

Nobody is going to spend the £30-40 million (at 2003 prices) that are required to build the imfrastructure (they wouldn't have a hope in hell of ever recouping it), that's why Poot's can't produce a single commercial backer.

[GweylTah]

The telstra stadium.
Not in the middle of nowhere
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?ll=-33.84734,151.063643&spn=0.008592,0.005932&t=k

Yep, I've been there (by train), definitely not in the middle of nowhere, and wasn't in the middle of nowhere when it was built, either.

I'd admire the likes of NIFan, Sammy G and Evil Genius for having the patience to refute the lies, make-believe and pig-ignorance of the usual suspects here, though it's like talking to the wall. Like I said earlier, we need a Mary Harney style figure to throw her weight around and toss this Maze nonsense into the bin, live in the real world and spend public money in improving infrastructure generally, like the rail service to the NW, school buildinhg, hospitals, water and drains. The market will take care of a stadium in Belfast, because, if there's to be one, that's where it will work and stand on its own feet, not bleed the exchequer and deprive essential services of funds now and for years to come.