Long Kesh Park takes another step forward

[SammyG]

From that response to the PWC report

'(And even for GAA, the forecast is an average of 27,500 – still 30% empty!)'

What is the source for that forecast?

It's on page 3 of the PWC report, the GAA will have 5.5 events (not sure which match will only get one half!!) and total attendance of 150000, so 27K per match.

[Evil Genius]

Meanwhile, back at the debate:

Anyhow, now that you have undoubtedly read the Report in full, is there anything else to which you take exception? Or may we assume that it has, in fact, passed the test of Donagh's bin-hoking forensic analysis and is unimpeachible?

Don't you f**king tell me what I have or haven't done. I haven't read the report as it's irrelevant and I have better things to be doing. If there's to be no stadium at Long Kesh there will be no stadium anywhere, either way, it is of no interest to me except maybe taking a little pleasure in watching all of you OWC backslappers taking the boat to England if you get your way. Now feck off somewhere else and stop interrupting my conversations with other people, you irritating little person.

Ooohhhh, get her!    

Why don't you pop out to the shops for a bit of retail therapy? New shoes, or maybe a handbag - that should do it...

Then having calmed down, perhaps you can explain why, after your having introduced the Amalgamation Report on the Maze Stadium to this thread about, ahem, the Maze Stadium, you now seem pretty desperate to distract our attention from it? The Report's contents a bit hard to dispute, eh? After all, we all know your modus operandi, Donagh, you'll have read it more carefully than a Connolly House Press Release, that's for sure! 

[SammyG]

I haven't read the report as it's irrelevant

If you haven't read it, how do you know it's irrelevant?

[Evil Genius]

I haven't read the report as it's irrelevant

If you haven't read it, how do you know it's irrelevant?

Oi Sammy! Donagh's bare-faced lie comment that he hasn't read the Report was in reply to me.

So to quote the Great Man/Woman/Girlie: "Now feck off somewhere else and stop interrupting my conversations with other people, you irritating little person" 

[Donagh]

I haven't read the report as it's irrelevant

If you haven't read it, how do you know it's irrelevant?

See my previous post.

[Donagh]

Then having calmed down, perhaps you can explain why, after your having introduced the Amalgamation Report on the Maze Stadium to this thread about, ahem, the Maze Stadium, you now seem pretty desperate to distract our attention from it?

I'm not distracting from anything, just thought it was humorous i.e. that you boys are all creaming yourselves over such a great job when one glance though could tell even the most disinterested or even ignorant that it's full of distortions and lies. I do hope you it's successful in its purpose though as our Sammy will be able to get to the friendlies now as well. 

[Donagh]

After all, we all know your modus operandi, Donagh, you'll have read it more carefully than a Connolly House Press Release

Maybe, but that doesn't necessarily mean that I actually read it either. But I'm glad you think I have a  modus operandi. 

[Evil Genius]

Then having calmed down, perhaps you can explain why, after your having introduced the Amalgamation Report on the Maze Stadium to this thread about, ahem, the Maze Stadium, you now seem pretty desperate to distract our attention from it?

I'm not distracting from anything, just thought it was humorous i.e. that you boys are all creaming yourselves over such a great job when one glance though could tell even the most disinterested or even ignorant that it's full of distortions and lies. I do hope you it's successful in its purpose though as our Sammy will be able to get to the friendlies now as well. 

Well, seeing as you've apparently calmed down, I'll accept that you have not, in fact, carefully read the Report which you nonetheless damned, but merely (conveniently?) glanced over it. 

So now we've got that sorted, do you care to list these "distortions and lies" of which you say the Report is "full"?

(Apart from the one about Croke only being 'able to attract' one concert in 2007, when it should have read only 'requiring to attract' one concert in 2007, which I'll allow, since it hardly deals a fatal blow to the overall Report)

[Main Street]

Public funding ring fenced for a multi sports facility.
3 Sports agree on location.

Multi sports facility plan about to be scuttled by the turkeys voting for their christmas.
Turkeys arrange a party to celebrate the upcoming event.
Turkeys  announce how wonderful this event will be for their future health and happiness.
A credit they say to their ability to pick out questions in a masterplan.

There are fears now that more Turkeys around the 6 counties will start to pick out flaws in the masterplan to spend £400m on a couple of dual carraigeways.

[Donagh]

Well, seeing as you've apparently calmed down, I'll accept that you have not, in fact, carefully read the Report which you nonetheless damned, but merely (conveniently?) glanced over it. 

So now we've got that sorted, do you care to list these "distortions and lies" of which you say the Report is "full"?

(Apart from the one about Croke only being 'able to attract' one concert in 2007, when it should have read only 'requiring to attract' one concert in 2007, which I'll allow, since it hardly deals a fatal blow to the overall Report)

What part of 'I don't give a fcuk about your sport, your stadium and your report' do you not understand? If I was to take more than my passing interest in soccer it certainly wouldn't be in a foreign team such as Northern Ireland which happily attracts all manner of neo-Nazi and loyalist scumbags to its games. I made a point about that bunch of ill-informed morons on OWC who are spinning lies about the GAA to sink the Long Kesh stadium – the GAA-Long Kesh stadium connection is as far as my interest goes – apart from laughing at the GAWA wannabe little Englanders.

[stiffler]

You would think the norn iron fans would be in favour of a new stadium as soon as possible in order to cement their future. The longer they go with third rate facilities, the sooner there will be an all ireland team.

[his holiness nb]

The personal stuff on this thread is unbelievably childish.
"play the ball, not the man" obviously only counts when certain men are being played.

The hypocracy is unreal.

[Evil Genius]

Public funding ring fenced for a multi sports facility.

Public funding ringfenced by Ministers/NIO when NI was administered under Direct Rule. Stormont now has responsibility for this matter.

3 Sports agree on location.

Politicians disagree on location. Politicians will decide, not the three sports.

Multi sports facility plan about to be scuttled by the turkeys voting for their christmas.
Turkeys arrange a party to celebrate the upcoming event.
Turkeys  announce how wonderful this event will be for their future health and happiness.
A credit they say to their ability to pick out questions in a masterplan.

There are fears now that more Turkeys around the 6 counties will start to pick out flaws in the masterplan to spend £400m on a couple of dual carraigeways.

Your blethering on about turkeys and Christmas is not helpful, insightful or original.

PWC produced a Report to justify the selection of the Maze as the site of a multi-use Stadium. Representatives (i.e. the Amalgamation) of one of the three main Usergroups (i.e soccer fans) whom PWC hope to attract* to the Stadium have produced a detailed Report outlining why they think PWC's work is so flawed as to be worthless. The Amalgamation Report (reproduced above) is comprehensive, without being too long or difficult for the layman to follow.

Therefore, would you or anyone else within the pro-Maze camp like to tell us how/why you think the Amalgamation Report is unreliable? Or do you just prefer to sneer and whinge in a general "I don't like it, so it must be wrong" kind of a way?


* - How revealing that in compiling their Report on what is best for fans of GAA, Soccer and Rugby, PWC conspicuously declined ever to ask fans of those three sports for their views!  

[Evil Genius]

You would think the norn iron fans would be in favour of a new stadium as soon as possible in order to cement their future.

We are in favour of a new stadium as soon as possible. However, there is no point in jumping out of the (Windsor Park) "frying pan" into the "fire" that is the Maze. Remember, if the Maze should get built, we will all be stuck with it for the next 50+ years, so we all need to be persuaded that it is the right option. On which point, it may be OK for GAA and Rugby, but having studied the plan carefully, soccer fans are ever more convinced that whilst it may appear to solve our present short-term Stadium problem, it will actually be a long-term disaster. Which is only what the Amalgamation Report is saying.

On which point, do you care to give us your opinions on that Report?

The longer they go with third rate facilities, the sooner there will be an all ireland team.

In our 128 year history, we have managed to survive the secession of 3/4 of our territory, two World Wars and 30 years of The Troubles, including a four year period when we were forced to play our home games in England.
Somehow, I'm sure we'll manage to come through this latest difficulty.
But thank you for your concern...

[stiffler]

You would think the norn iron fans would be in favour of a new stadium as soon as possible in order to cement their future.

We are in favour of a new stadium as soon as possible. However, there is no point in jumping out of the (Windsor Park) "frying pan" into the "fire" that is the Maze. Remember, if the Maze should get built, we will all be stuck with it for the next 50+ years, so we all need to be persuaded that it is the right option. On which point, it may be OK for GAA and Rugby, but having studied the plan carefully, soccer fans are ever more convinced that whilst it may appear to solve our present short-term Stadium problem, it will actually be a long-term disaster. Which is only what the Amalgamation Report is saying.

On which point, do you care to give us your opinions on that Report?

The longer they go with third rate facilities, the sooner there will be an all ireland team.

In our 128 year history, we have managed to survive the secession of 3/4 of our territory, two World Wars and 30 years of The Troubles, including a four year period when we were forced to play our home games in England.
Somehow, I'm sure we'll manage to come through this latest difficulty.
But thank you for your concern...

I havnt read the pwc report so i wouldnt be reading a response to it  . What year do you think you will be watching norn iron in a new stadium then?