prods in the 26

[LeoMc]

Look it is what it is, you've by living in it and accepted what it is, country, colony, occupied six or otherwise you'd have left long ago.

So you cannot propose change in NI, if you don't like you should just leave? That sounds familiar.


There are always evil people, but they are more likely to do this if people pander to their supposed "cause".

why would a people who view themselves as British (perfectly reasonably, despite what Ali G might say) stop viewing themselves as British

I'm not sure about the reasonable bit, but the issue is not what you regard yourself as, but whether you accept that you have chosen to live in Ireland and not there and that has implications for your conduct.

Do these 2 quotes not contradict to an extent?
It appears that on one hand you are arguing that you should be allowed to be Irish in NI but on the other hand when it comes to a United Ireland that Unionists should just put up with having their identity taken?

[lawnseed]

I been doing a little digging around.. I hearing of a prod farmer from south monaghan. he spent his whole life in the company of his catholic neighbours played football went to dances, discos and courted plenty of  catholic girls until it came to marrying.. yeah when it came to actually putting on the ring his got himself a nice proddy girl from north Armagh. his mates (catholics) didn't even know he was going with her.. nor were they at his wedding.. when he had kids and they reached school age they attended the local school (catholic) but only for a year until they went to a prod school 18 miles away.

what I'm taking from this example is that there has been a process of "radicalisation" a word mostly used to in reference to muslin extremism. the man was happy to mix freely with his friends a neighbours until he landed a bitter nordie. I also heard of a church (prod) next door to a guy I know very well its a little run down when I asked about it he tells me that he wouldnt know the name of one person who attends it and yet he knows them to see. its seem like these prods are very isolated from their catholic neighbours to the extent that they don't even speak.

this doesn't bode well for the idea that in a "united" Ireland that things would change. we would not be 'on the one road singing the one song'  we'd still be a divided society destroyed by religious prejudice.

[armaghniac]

It appears that on one hand you are arguing that you should be allowed to be Irish in NI but on the other hand when it comes to a United Ireland that Unionists should just put up with having their identity taken?

Being Irish in Ireland is wishing to be part of the community, being British in Ireland is divorcing yourself from the community with all of the problems that causes. I am not being perfectly logical here, I also expect the Irish in Britain to be responsible members of British society even if they wish to retain an affinity to Ireland. Do you think the Irish in Britain should march up and down seeking the tricolour on their city hall?

[lawnseed]

It appears that on one hand you are arguing that you should be allowed to be Irish in NI but on the other hand when it comes to a United Ireland that Unionists should just put up with having their identity taken?

Being Irish in Ireland is wishing to be part of the community, being British in Ireland is divorcing yourself from the community with all of the problems that causes. I am not being perfectly logical here, I also expect the Irish in Britain to be responsible members of British society even if they wish to retain an affinity to Ireland. Do you think the Irish in Britain should march up and down seeking the tricolour on their city hall?

very good point

[deiseach]

I been doing a little digging around..

Very little. The Waterford civic carol service took place yesterday with all the great and the good of the city in attendance. It took place in the Protestant cathedral, as it does every year. I know most of the regular attendees and they are, despite sending their children to the local CofI school (smaller numbers generally means a better education) and marrying other Protestants (higher chance of that as they move in the same circles, and that's even before you consider the baleful influence of Ne Temere), well integrated into Irish society. Your suggestion that there is some manner of Proddy fifth column developing south of the border is wrong.

[lawnseed]

I been doing a little digging around..

Very little. The Waterford civic carol service took place yesterday with all the great and the good of the city in attendance. It took place in the Protestant cathedral, as it does every year. I know most of the regular attendees and they are, despite sending their children to the local CofI school (smaller numbers generally means a better education) and marrying other Protestants (higher chance of that as they move in the same circles, and that's even before you consider the baleful influence of Ne Temere), well integrated into Irish society. Your suggestion that there is some manner of Proddy fifth column developing south of the border is wrong.

don't think I mentioned 5th column. I merely pointed to an example of how a man in his forties was influenced by his.. lets say more "religiously aware" choice of partner (or partner chosen for him)

[deiseach]

I been doing a little digging around..

Very little. The Waterford civic carol service took place yesterday with all the great and the good of the city in attendance. It took place in the Protestant cathedral, as it does every year. I know most of the regular attendees and they are, despite sending their children to the local CofI school (smaller numbers generally means a better education) and marrying other Protestants (higher chance of that as they move in the same circles, and that's even before you consider the baleful influence of Ne Temere), well integrated into Irish society. Your suggestion that there is some manner of Proddy fifth column developing south of the border is wrong.

don't think I mentioned 5th column. I merely pointed to an example of how a man in his forties was influenced by his.. lets say more "religiously aware" choice of partner (or partner chosen for him)

You said 'radicalization' in the context of Muslim extremism. In the context of Protestant south of the border, this is wrong.

[armaghniac]

I merely pointed to an example of how a man in his forties was influenced by his.. lets say more "religiously aware" choice of partner

Many's a good man driven off course by a wife......

No matter, his children will probably behave as their Dad did in his youth and will not bother sending to Portadown for a spouse.

[lawnseed]

I been doing a little digging around..

Very little. The Waterford civic carol service took place yesterday with all the great and the good of the city in attendance. It took place in the Protestant cathedral, as it does every year. I know most of the regular attendees and they are, despite sending their children to the local CofI school (smaller numbers generally means a better education) and marrying other Protestants (higher chance of that as they move in the same circles, and that's even before you consider the baleful influence of Ne Temere), well integrated into Irish society. Your suggestion that there is some manner of Proddy fifth column developing south of the border is wrong.

don't think I mentioned 5th column. I merely pointed to an example of how a man in his forties was influenced by his.. lets say more "religiously aware" choice of partner (or partner chosen for him)

You said 'radicalization' in the context of Muslim extremism. In the context of Protestant south of the border, this is wrong.

without getting into the minutia of either of our examples.. mine- I don't know the man nor would I like to reveal his id and yours- you refer to prods and catholics attending a carol service as "prods" and "catholics"
perhaps 'if' as it has been said before many times in different threads there was no religious affinity in Irish schools then the divisions we both refer to would be less of a problem. I'm not saying remove religion as a subject but certainly as a badge defining the type of school ethos.

[Milltown Row2]

I been doing a little digging around..

Very little. The Waterford civic carol service took place yesterday with all the great and the good of the city in attendance. It took place in the Protestant cathedral, as it does every year. I know most of the regular attendees and they are, despite sending their children to the local CofI school (smaller numbers generally means a better education) and marrying other Protestants (higher chance of that as they move in the same circles, and that's even before you consider the baleful influence of Ne Temere), well integrated into Irish society. Your suggestion that there is some manner of Proddy fifth column developing south of the border is wrong.

don't think I mentioned 5th column. I merely pointed to an example of how a man in his forties was influenced by his.. lets say more "religiously aware" choice of partner (or partner chosen for him)

Are you "influenced by his.. lets say more "religiously aware" choice of partner (or partner chosen for him)" ?

[lawnseed]

I been doing a little digging around..

Very little. The Waterford civic carol service took place yesterday with all the great and the good of the city in attendance. It took place in the Protestant cathedral, as it does every year. I know most of the regular attendees and they are, despite sending their children to the local CofI school (smaller numbers generally means a better education) and marrying other Protestants (higher chance of that as they move in the same circles, and that's even before you consider the baleful influence of Ne Temere), well integrated into Irish society. Your suggestion that there is some manner of Proddy fifth column developing south of the border is wrong.

don't think I mentioned 5th column. I merely pointed to an example of how a man in his forties was influenced by his.. lets say more "religiously aware" choice of partner (or partner chosen for him)

Are you "influenced by his.. lets say more "religiously aware" choice of partner (or partner chosen for him)" ?

am 'I' the subject of this thread. I began by speaking about graham norton's perceived feeling of isolation as a prod growing up in west cork. I myself am not religious at all. I believe a man/woman's "worth" bears a close relationship to his or her willingness/ability to pay you money your owed.

[Milltown Row2]

I been doing a little digging around..

Very little. The Waterford civic carol service took place yesterday with all the great and the good of the city in attendance. It took place in the Protestant cathedral, as it does every year. I know most of the regular attendees and they are, despite sending their children to the local CofI school (smaller numbers generally means a better education) and marrying other Protestants (higher chance of that as they move in the same circles, and that's even before you consider the baleful influence of Ne Temere), well integrated into Irish society. Your suggestion that there is some manner of Proddy fifth column developing south of the border is wrong.

don't think I mentioned 5th column. I merely pointed to an example of how a man in his forties was influenced by his.. lets say more "religiously aware" choice of partner (or partner chosen for him)

Are you "influenced by his.. lets say more "religiously aware" choice of partner (or partner chosen for him)" ?

am 'I' the subject of this thread. I began by speaking about graham norton's perceived feeling of isolation as a prod growing up in west cork. I myself am not religious at all. I believe a man/woman's "worth" bears a close relationship to his or her willingness/ability to pay you money your owed.

So did you marry someone within your families religion? did that have a bearing on picking your wife?

[lawnseed]

I been doing a little digging around..

Very little. The Waterford civic carol service took place yesterday with all the great and the good of the city in attendance. It took place in the Protestant cathedral, as it does every year. I know most of the regular attendees and they are, despite sending their children to the local CofI school (smaller numbers generally means a better education) and marrying other Protestants (higher chance of that as they move in the same circles, and that's even before you consider the baleful influence of Ne Temere), well integrated into Irish society. Your suggestion that there is some manner of Proddy fifth column developing south of the border is wrong.

don't think I mentioned 5th column. I merely pointed to an example of how a man in his forties was influenced by his.. lets say more "religiously aware" choice of partner (or partner chosen for him)

Are you "influenced by his.. lets say more "religiously aware" choice of partner (or partner chosen for him)" ?

am 'I' the subject of this thread. I began by speaking about graham norton's perceived feeling of isolation as a prod growing up in west cork. I myself am not religious at all. I believe a man/woman's "worth" bears a close relationship to his or her willingness/ability to pay you money your owed.

So did you marry someone within your families religion? did that have a bearing on picking your wife?

no it was a mixture of alcohol,hormones and also timing.. it was time to get married. (and love of course just in case your reading honey)

[deiseach]

You asked a series of questions pertaining to Protestants south of the border. I would have assumed you wanted some insight from someone who might have some experience of Protestants south of the border. Yet now you don't want to get "into the minutia [sic] of either of our examples". What was that all about?

[lawnseed]

You asked a series of questions pertaining to Protestants south of the border. I would have assumed you wanted some insight from someone who might have some experience of Protestants south of the border. Yet now you don't want to get "into the minutia [sic] of either of our examples". What was that all about?

so your 'insight' to 'prods in the 26' is Christians singing carols together in Waterford a couple of days before thee "Christian's" birthday? yeah.. that graham Norton hasn't a notion what he's talking about there's no problem ding dong Merrily in waterford