Hastings Cup 2016 - Now back to normal

[Chimley]

It was our first stab at the Hastings cup and it marks a big improvement in our preparations over previous years. I wouldn't expect that we were too bothered about how it turned out and it will have levelled the playing field a bit with the Rossies who have had the advantage of playing this competition every year.

[Syferus]

Tommy goals can play:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jzFEjTNqR4

And keep Liam Irwin this trim and he can fairly play too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTWhPYWTYCE

Try them all, and if it works out that it is too soon, try them again in a year or two. These lads have more football in their fingernails than some of our senior forward panellists.

Player burnout is the problem....Do you honestly not see that.

Is it really?

Tell me how many games has Liam Irwin played since Breaffy lost the County Final?

Not for the U21s, so why would they be considered for the seniors? It'd be a great way to disrespect the U21 team, certainly.

It was our first stab at the Hastings cup and it marks a big improvement in our preparations over previous years. I wouldn't expect that we were too bothered about how it turned out and it will have levelled the playing field a bit with the Rossies who have had the advantage of playing this competition every year.

Given it's made poor Larryin suicidal and pushed Muppet to disregard the U21 team in favour of Leaving Certs I'm not too sure 'levelling the playing field' is what Hastings football has done for Mayo.

[sans pessimism]

Tommy goals can play:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jzFEjTNqR4

And keep Liam Irwin this trim and he can fairly play too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTWhPYWTYCE

Try them all, and if it works out that it is too soon, try them again in a year or two. These lads have more football in their fingernails than some of our senior forward panellists.

Player burnout is the problem....Do you honestly not see that.

Is it really?

Tell me how many games has Liam Irwin played since Breaffy lost the County Final?

Shur theres no-one burnt out in fukn January.My argument is that if 17/18yr olds
join a senior squad then they will be risking burnout because of all directions they are pulled in
Much more qualified people than me have warned against this and I've seen it happen with close family so we'll obviously agree to differ.

[muppet]

Tommy goals can play:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jzFEjTNqR4

And keep Liam Irwin this trim and he can fairly play too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTWhPYWTYCE

Try them all, and if it works out that it is too soon, try them again in a year or two. These lads have more football in their fingernails than some of our senior forward panellists.

Player burnout is the problem....Do you honestly not see that.

Is it really?

Tell me how many games has Liam Irwin played since Breaffy lost the County Final?

Shur theres no-one burnt out in fukn January.My argument is that if 17/18yr olds
join a senior squad then they will be risking burnout because of all directions they are pulled in
Much more qualified people than me have warned against this and I've seen it happen with close family so we'll obviously agree to differ.

The Mayo County Final was in October.

So in November, December & January how many serious games has Liam Irwin played? And please explain how this contributes to player burnout.

Tommy Conroy has played for Kiltane, but even that was only a couple of games in 3 months.

Burnout is not the problem.

[larryin89]

I'm with muppet on this one, burnout is not the issue with said players, how can it be. They have no county to play neither underage or senior and club football will not kick on till around March/ April.

[sans pessimism]

JFFC I'll rephrase it....Burnout occurs when players serve at all these tables in the busy season not in January(or if ye like, December,November etc). yeer still ignoring the concern of experts for these young players
but everyone is entitled to their opinion

[moysider]

I never bought into this 'burnout' theory either. Often it was used as an excuse to explain away why minors did not go on to be seniors. The reasons were nothing to do with burnout, whatever burnout is anyway. But I would accept there are issues there with training and different messages from different trainers. There is also an issue with training per game ratio and games ending up en bloc with weeks of endless training without games.
Hopefully we will eventually get a few seniors from that '13 minor team and a few good ones would be a result. Most of the quality was around the hb line and Coen already given senior status. I m not sure the forwards would make much of a dent with the U21s, let alone the seniors. But they have 2 years left at U21 and time to develop. But can't imagine any of those minor forwards with the game to get senior time now. Some defenders were dropped off the senior panel that would not give those lads a ball. For all the goals and stuff that our minor forwards scored last year, they were playing minors. A lot of those opposition backs will never play senior club, let alone senior county.

[Syferus]

I never bought into this 'burnout' theory either. Often it was used as an excuse to explain away why minors did not go on to be seniors. The reasons were nothing to do with burnout, whatever burnout is anyway. But I would accept there are issues there with training and different messages from different trainers. There is also an issue with training per game ratio and games ending up en bloc with weeks of endless training without games.
Hopefully we will eventually get a few seniors from that '13 minor team and a few good ones would be a result. Most of the quality was around the hb line and Coen already given senior status. I m not sure the forwards would make much of a dent with the U21s, let alone the seniors. But they have 2 years left at U21 and time to develop. But can't imagine any of those minor forwards with the game to get senior time now. Some defenders were dropped off the senior panel that would not give those lads a ball. For all the goals and stuff that our minor forwards scored last year, they were playing minors. A lot of those opposition backs will never play senior club, let alone senior county.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/worrying-rise-in-gaa-hip-surgery-claims-255635.html

I wouldn't consider bookmaking or playing the stock market if I were you, Moy.

[moysider]

I never bought into this 'burnout' theory either. Often it was used as an excuse to explain away why minors did not go on to be seniors. The reasons were nothing to do with burnout, whatever burnout is anyway. But I would accept there are issues there with training and different messages from different trainers. There is also an issue with training per game ratio and games ending up en bloc with weeks of endless training without games.
Hopefully we will eventually get a few seniors from that '13 minor team and a few good ones would be a result. Most of the quality was around the hb line and Coen already given senior status. I m not sure the forwards would make much of a dent with the U21s, let alone the seniors. But they have 2 years left at U21 and time to develop. But can't imagine any of those minor forwards with the game to get senior time now. Some defenders were dropped off the senior panel that would not give those lads a ball. For all the goals and stuff that our minor forwards scored last year, they were playing minors. A lot of those opposition backs will never play senior club, let alone senior county.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/worrying-rise-in-gaa-hip-surgery-claims-255635.html

I wouldn't consider bookmaking or playing the stock market if I were you, Moy.

Yawn!

Footballer has ankle,knee, hip surgery shock!

Farmer gets gored by bull shock!

Postman gets bitten by dog horror!

Why not just ban football altogether? Or make it non contact?
And besides ....... why did you decide to make a connection between 'burnout' and hip injury? Whats that?

Moral. If those lads had gone for a few scoops after work and watched Fair City they'd be better off than playing football that gets ye hurt.

[Syferus]

I never bought into this 'burnout' theory either. Often it was used as an excuse to explain away why minors did not go on to be seniors. The reasons were nothing to do with burnout, whatever burnout is anyway. But I would accept there are issues there with training and different messages from different trainers. There is also an issue with training per game ratio and games ending up en bloc with weeks of endless training without games.
Hopefully we will eventually get a few seniors from that '13 minor team and a few good ones would be a result. Most of the quality was around the hb line and Coen already given senior status. I m not sure the forwards would make much of a dent with the U21s, let alone the seniors. But they have 2 years left at U21 and time to develop. But can't imagine any of those minor forwards with the game to get senior time now. Some defenders were dropped off the senior panel that would not give those lads a ball. For all the goals and stuff that our minor forwards scored last year, they were playing minors. A lot of those opposition backs will never play senior club, let alone senior county.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/worrying-rise-in-gaa-hip-surgery-claims-255635.html

I wouldn't consider bookmaking or playing the stock market if I were you, Moy.

Yawn!

Footballer has ankle,knee, hip surgery shock!

Farmer gets gored by bull shock!

Postman gets bitten by dog horror!

Why not just ban football altogether? Or make it non contact?
And besides ....... why did you decide to make a connection between 'burnout' and hip injury? Whats that?

Moral. If those lads had gone for a few scoops after work and watched Fair City they'd be better off than playing football that gets ye hurt.

So you reckon young lads having double hip operations barely into their twenties is a tenable situation, Moy?

The GAA will lose the battle for the hearts and minds of both parents and players if they don't make the schedule far less hostile to young players. You ignoring it won't make it any less real of an issue.

[Rossfan]

Would ye rhubarbíns ever go and open a burnout thread and lave th'oul Hastings to us and them 2 Meath bucks ( assuming they are aware they have a U21 team and that they've entered this most prestiguous of Tournaments).

[sans pessimism]

Would ye rhubarbíns ever go and open a burnout thread and lave th'oul Hastings to us and them 2 Meath bucks ( assuming they are aware they have a U21 team and that they've entered this most prestiguous of Tournaments).

Hasting away as we speak Rottie-we'll leave this shadow boxin to yerselves.

[muppet]

I never bought into this 'burnout' theory either. Often it was used as an excuse to explain away why minors did not go on to be seniors. The reasons were nothing to do with burnout, whatever burnout is anyway. But I would accept there are issues there with training and different messages from different trainers. There is also an issue with training per game ratio and games ending up en bloc with weeks of endless training without games.
Hopefully we will eventually get a few seniors from that '13 minor team and a few good ones would be a result. Most of the quality was around the hb line and Coen already given senior status. I m not sure the forwards would make much of a dent with the U21s, let alone the seniors. But they have 2 years left at U21 and time to develop. But can't imagine any of those minor forwards with the game to get senior time now. Some defenders were dropped off the senior panel that would not give those lads a ball. For all the goals and stuff that our minor forwards scored last year, they were playing minors. A lot of those opposition backs will never play senior club, let alone senior county.

The two I mentioned have played a Senior County Final and a Connacht Intermediate Final already since last September. Irwin looked a tad unfit to me, but showed enough against Mitchels to show he can play at a higher level. There are current U-21 panellists not making their club teams. Other countries have no problem throwing in good minors the following year, as we did with O'Shea and O'Connor and it is not as if we are over burdened with quality forwards who have delivered in Croke Park in September.

Have a look in the League to see where these lads are, that's all I'm saying.

I am not bothered they didn't make the U-21 squad, IMHO the U-21 performance this week tells it's own tale.

[Tubberman]

Tommy Conroy is doing his leaving cert this year and has just got through to the All-Ireland Intermediate Club Final with Kiltane.
He'll likely have inter-county U21 to focus on as well. That's plenty for a fella still in school to concentrate on for now.
If he's still going well after U21 championship, then they can look at bringing him into senior panel, now is not the time.

[muppet]

Tommy Conroy is doing his leaving cert this year and has just got through to the All-Ireland Intermediate Club Final with Kiltane.
He'll likely have inter-county U21 to focus on as well. That's plenty for a fella still in school to concentrate on for now.
If he's still going well after U21 championship, then they can look at bringing him into senior panel, now is not the time.

Great win for Kiltane.

If you are good enough you are old enough.

All I am talking about is giving these lads maybe 40 mins each in one League Game. If only one of them steps up to the plate it will have been worth it. Irwin is probably the guy physically most able to the step up, if he is willing to put in the time required. He was also a left footed free-taker for the minors, a serious problem area for the seniors. It doesn't bode well when he doesn't seem to be involved even at U-21.