Belfast rioting over removal of Union Jack

[stew]

Someone has handed Baggot his arse in a bag, that's why we are seeing all this belated activity. Watch out for a change of tactics from the PSNI.

To be fair, as ineffective as the PSNI has appeared, Baggot has said all along that this was his approach. Let's just hope it's effective.

At the same time, I don't agree with the police standing by whilst as few as 10 people block a main road - there must be some kind of middle-ground.

If it was 10 shinners  blocking a roard they would have shot them!

[armaghniac]

It seems to me that in summer that some nationalist faction will block a road before an Orange march and the PSNI will batter them out of the way, losing all credibility in the process.

[Maguire01]

It seems to me that in summer that some nationalist faction will block a road before an Orange march and the PSNI will batter them out of the way, losing all credibility in the process.

Well yes, that's where the problem would arise. If they can't clear the road for the general public, they can't clear it for a march.

[Smokin Joe]

It seems to me that in summer that some nationalist faction will block a road before an Orange march and the PSNI will batter them out of the way, losing all credibility in the process.

In my mind there is no doubt that this will indeed happen.

[Milltown Row2]

This is madness, the pigs do nothing whilst all this was raging and now that things have quietened they start to stir it all up again. Fraizer will never be charged with anything and all the PSNI have achieved is to lend support to the "fleg" suggestions that the state is now against them and their "culture".

Dammed if they do and dammed if they don't?

They will have the same supporters now as they had at the height of the fleg protesting malarkey so there is no real difference lifting them now as it would have been then, other than the fact that hopefully they have some hard evidence of them organising these illegal protests.

History will show that if you had have went heavy handed and beat them off the streets they would have had more sympathy from their own and more numbers, also the politicans on their side would have baked them up. So I think on this issue you are wrong

History will also  have shown that they had no problems beating 7 shades of shite out of the Catholics and they they used both rubber bullets and Plastic bullets as well as truncheons and water cannon, not so much agin the unionists/loyalists!


You are the one that is wrong.

So did it work? Hmmmmm

Revert back to heavy handed tactics will do what? I'd love to see the protestors get a quarter of what happened in the streets where I grew up but what will it do? You are full of shit if you think that that will work and get people off the streets, will only bring them back, in droves

[EC Unique]

Jamie Bryson, who is currently on the run, has released a video statement.

You couldn't make this stuff up.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ra09nN5I7sI

Lol. What a stupid little p***k. He is loving the attention but in a year or so will just be another has been in the dole que.

[Minder]

Jamie Bryson, who is currently on the run, has released a video statement.

You couldn't make this stuff up.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ra09nN5I7sI

Lol. What a stupid little p***k. He is loving the attention but in a year or so will just be another has been in the dole que.

Nah I would be pretty certain he will have some sort of public funded gig this time next year.

[Minder]

Why didn't the PSNI arrest the UVF members that were turning he rioting and protests on and off like a tap, instead of a couple of half wits like Bryson & Frazer.

[David McKeown]

I see the bottom of the Newtownards road near the Short Strand is blocked off again tonight. 

[stew]

This is madness, the pigs do nothing whilst all this was raging and now that things have quietened they start to stir it all up again. Fraizer will never be charged with anything and all the PSNI have achieved is to lend support to the "fleg" suggestions that the state is now against them and their "culture".

Dammed if they do and dammed if they don't?

They will have the same supporters now as they had at the height of the fleg protesting malarkey so there is no real difference lifting them now as it would have been then, other than the fact that hopefully they have some hard evidence of them organising these illegal protests.

History will show that if you had have went heavy handed and beat them off the streets they would have had more sympathy from their own and more numbers, also the politicans on their side would have baked them up. So I think on this issue you are wrong

History will also  have shown that they had no problems beating 7 shades of shite out of the Catholics and they they used both rubber bullets and Plastic bullets as well as truncheons and water cannon, not so much agin the unionists/loyalists!


You are the one that is wrong.

So did it work? Hmmmmm

Revert back to heavy handed tactics will do what? I'd love to see the protestors get a quarter of what happened in the streets where I grew up but what will it do? You are full of shit if you think that that will work and get people off the streets, will only bring them back, in droves

I stand corrected then, lets do this, lets let these loyalist scumbags do what they will, block roads etc while the filth do nothing............................. right up until the time the fenians block the same loyalist scumbags when they go on their marches and then lets let the psni kick the shite out of them.

Appeasement is not the answer given the fact it is one dimensional, give the fcukers one warning, if they heed it not f**king empty them and give them a taste of what we got!

Appeasement will continue to allow these bucks to disrupt the public's lives and they will use the ineptitude of the psni to their advantage to further their cause, whatever the fcuk that is!

"We have peace in our time" who'd that work out for Neville back in the day? Hmmmm.

[glens abu]

A question comes to mind in all of this. Is Willie Frazer the kind of character around whom mainstream Unionism can unite if the circumstances were right? He's always struck me as a Ruairí Ó Brádaigh-style figure, full of bluster but no support even those inclined to extremism. Yeah, people may not like the whole fleg thing, but they don't like the prophet of doom even more. Am I underestimating the sympathy he might receive among the populace?

I don't think so deiseach, or at least the circumstances would need to be pretty dire.  The O'Bradaigh comparison is reasonable though I think even Ruairi spoke slightly more sense than Wullie.  Most Unionists I know regard Wullie as a bit of a headcase.

O'Bradaigh is nothing like Frazer. O'Bradaigh had strong ideals and stood by them while other people within the Republican movement opted to change like the wind and continue to do so. Frazer is nothing but a headless chicken who takes his self-righteousness as a given to lead the Protestant and Unionist people to the promise land.

So O'Bradaigh isnt a headless chicken thinks he is back in 1798,with a pike in one hand and a pike in the other.Both Frazer and O'Bradaigh need to come into the 21 century and move on.

[Applesisapples]

To change tack slightly, though not totally unrelated we can see from the antic's of Gregory Campbell on twitter the type of shared future the DUP want...Loads of union flegs, marches to commemorate everything from 1690 to 2013...but just let James McClean say he likes the Broad Black Brimmer, what an out cry...shock horror. It's not as if he's playing it outside the Martyrs memorial or pissing through the gate. Unionism is totally unreformable, time SF/SDLP and small u nationalist woke up an smelt the Punjana.

[glens abu]

To change tack slightly, though not totally unrelated we can see from the antic's of Gregory Campbell on twitter the type of shared future the DUP want...Loads of union flegs, marches to commemorate everything from 1690 to 2013...but just let James McClean say he likes the Broad Black Brimmer, what an out cry...shock horror. It's not as if he's playing it outside the Martyrs memorial or pissing through the gate. Unionism is totally unreformable, time SF/SDLP and small u nationalist woke up an smelt the Punjana.

Who is trying to reform them,def not Sinn Fein they are very happy to split them and keep putting the pressure on them at all times,think flag isssue is prime example of this.What do you suggest they do about Gregory?

[Milltown Row2]

This is madness, the pigs do nothing whilst all this was raging and now that things have quietened they start to stir it all up again. Fraizer will never be charged with anything and all the PSNI have achieved is to lend support to the "fleg" suggestions that the state is now against them and their "culture".

Dammed if they do and dammed if they don't?

They will have the same supporters now as they had at the height of the fleg protesting malarkey so there is no real difference lifting them now as it would have been then, other than the fact that hopefully they have some hard evidence of them organising these illegal protests.

History will show that if you had have went heavy handed and beat them off the streets they would have had more sympathy from their own and more numbers, also the politicans on their side would have baked them up. So I think on this issue you are wrong

History will also  have shown that they had no problems beating 7 shades of shite out of the Catholics and they they used both rubber bullets and Plastic bullets as well as truncheons and water cannon, not so much agin the unionists/loyalists!


You are the one that is wrong.

So did it work? Hmmmmm

Revert back to heavy handed tactics will do what? I'd love to see the protestors get a quarter of what happened in the streets where I grew up but what will it do? You are full of shit if you think that that will work and get people off the streets, will only bring them back, in droves

I stand corrected then, lets do this, lets let these loyalist scumbags do what they will, block roads etc while the filth do nothing............................. right up until the time the fenians block the same loyalist scumbags when they go on their marches and then lets let the psni kick the shite out of them.

Appeasement is not the answer given the fact it is one dimensional, give the fcukers one warning, if they heed it not f**king empty them and give them a taste of what we got!

Appeasement will continue to allow these bucks to disrupt the public's lives and they will use the ineptitude of the psni to their advantage to further their cause, whatever the fcuk that is!

"We have peace in our time" who'd that work out for Neville back in the day? Hmmmm.

Hitler?? FFS lad wind your neck in, this is N.I, in terms of global trouble this isn't even worthy of a paragraph in a national paper in page 12. Feed them and it will make it's way to page 1, starve them and they will eventually die off. They are slowly getting lifted and while it will never be enough or to the extent of what happened in the past it's better this way. Don't give them martyrs or a reason to continue, show them up for what they are, toothless, leaderless no mandate or direction.

[LeoMc]

This is madness, the pigs do nothing whilst all this was raging and now that things have quietened they start to stir it all up again. Fraizer will never be charged with anything and all the PSNI have achieved is to lend support to the "fleg" suggestions that the state is now against them and their "culture".

Dammed if they do and dammed if they don't?

They will have the same supporters now as they had at the height of the fleg protesting malarkey so there is no real difference lifting them now as it would have been then, other than the fact that hopefully they have some hard evidence of them organising these illegal protests.

History will show that if you had have went heavy handed and beat them off the streets they would have had more sympathy from their own and more numbers, also the politicans on their side would have baked them up. So I think on this issue you are wrong

History will also  have shown that they had no problems beating 7 shades of shite out of the Catholics and they they used both rubber bullets and Plastic bullets as well as truncheons and water cannon, not so much agin the unionists/loyalists!


You are the one that is wrong.

And how well did that work in terms of getting Nationalists off the street and turning Nationalists to the IRA?