Steve Jobs RIP

[nifan]

Eamonnca1  I agree with a lot of what you say, though in terms of some of the impact had with USB etc id think you are pushing it a little - apple always charged more for their machines and anyone willing to buy a pc at the same pricepoint at the time would have been expecting to get a couple of usb ports.
Apple have also been happy to go a bit propriety even with USB.

Also the reason they can claim good resilience for mac os is that its based on BSD - they didnt create their own OS completely.

Jobs focused on refining the things he liked and having the balls to drop the things he didnt - few other people would have stood against flash as he has, though whether that was the right decision remains to be seen (in the long run i think it will be though i dont agree with not supporting it now)

[seafoid]

We do not measure a culture by its output of undisguised trivialities but by what it claims as significant."
― Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business

[muppet]

We do not measure a culture by its output of undisguised trivialities but by what it claims as significant."
― Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business

Discuss:

[rrhf]

There are some interesting arguments on both sides, and no doubt we have some very qualified award winning people on her in terms of marketing, web designing and technological research, so Ill tread quietly here!   I dont think it would be wrong to say that Jobs comparatively  was in a different planet in terms of akills, abilities and achievements as notable as talented as we are, and may I see good to see it.  This year science will tell us something that next year will be challenged and refuted. 15 years ago the GAA public were GAA people, supporters, volunteers and owners,  now they are patrons.    The world keep turning and another ifone will come out. 
   We should not infer his passing as almost an integral part of an apple marketing plan.  People like Jobs are wealth creators and brilliant business men and marketeers and are bullies and are kind, and are creative and have engineering heads and have egos and are human and they live and they die.  They are great for the world and they have a nuclear ability to deliver for themselves and others.  Jobs wasnt a god type figure yet Im sure he enjoyed the adulation of his product  fans.  But whether it be a business Dragon thinking he is cut out for president, or a eurovision singer running for president, or a famous actor becoming president in the states, everyone likes to be famous and to be liked and to use their profile to gain more out of and expand their life.  Jobs was the same.  No shame in that.  Im happy for him to be called a genius  because I like people who can do what he did. I wish there were more.       

[seafoid]

We do not measure a culture by its output of undisguised trivialities but by what it claims as significant."
― Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business

Discuss:

"One way of looking at the history of the human group is that it has been a continuing struggle against the veneration of "crap." ― Neil Postman

[muppet]

I wish our postman was as interesting as yours.

[Main Street]

Eamonnca1  I agree with a lot of what you say, though in terms of some of the impact had with USB etc id think you are pushing it a little - apple always charged more for their machines and anyone willing to buy a pc at the same pricepoint at the time would have been expecting to get a couple of usb ports.

generalizing, tut tut
If you compare cost of devices that have equivalent component parts,
some Apple devices are cheaper than a comparative competitor,
some are similarly priced,
and some are more expensive.

Also the reason they can claim good resilience for mac os is that its based on BSD - they didn't create their own OS completely.

Some people think that Steve Jobs spent his time overseeing Apple Corporation during the day and his evenings/ night time inventing everything that Apple use. He has been compared to Michelangelo no less.
But he's no Larry Reilly.

[muppet]

[thebigfella]

We do not measure a culture by its output of undisguised trivialities but by what it claims as significant."
― Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business

Your so well read and intelligent.....

[nifan]

generalizing, tut tut
If you compare cost of devices that have equivalent component parts,
some Apple devices are cheaper than a comparative competitor,
some are similarly priced,
and some are more expensive.

You are correct - it was clumsy on my part - I meant that they didnt sell the cheaper equivalents that other companies did - the similar spec machines to the apple products would have had usb etc

[Hardy]

We do not measure a culture by its output of undisguised trivialities but by what it claims as significant."
― Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business

Your so well read and intelligent.....

Are you being consciously ironic?

[AZOffaly]

Hardy, I was waiting for you to jump in there

[thebigfella]

We do not measure a culture by its output of undisguised trivialities but by what it claims as significant."
― Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business

Your so well read and intelligent.....

Are you being consciously ironic?

Not sure, Alanis Morissette has confused my understanding of irony 

[David McKeown]

I don't understand this idea the jobs was merely a salesman. He was truly an innovator who changed the music industry, the pc industry, to an extent the movie industry and telephone industry. No mere sales man could have achieved that.

[Croí na hÉireann]

Good thread and I think the man himself would be chuffed with the conflicting contributions. Jobs was brilliant at foreseeing and marketing the next big gadget and I take my hat off to him here. When the iPad first came out I couldn't see the appeal of it but having used one you suddenly want to take one home. Macs are also worth the extra money, especially if you're doing digital media work. That said I'm not really an Apple fan. Their software irks me. I don't like iTunes, synching, the way that people call MP3 players iPod's/androids phones as iPhones (brilliant marketing though to have achieved this), Apple only accessories, etc. If he was a GAA player he'd be Brian Dooher.