Donegal v Dublin semi final 28-8-11

[ross4life]

Some stats i seen posted another forum.

Donegal average For: 1-12 average Against: 0-10
Dubin average For: 1-16 average Against: 0-14

Both have lost 4 out of there five last semi finals & the ones won they went on to win the All Ireland.

[heffo]

some could say that the heads have got big around the city streets.  "The hype is huge..."  "All they have to do is turn out..."   I find views of that nature if given would represent  a huge insult to Donegal football.

Are you getting pre-empted insulted over imaginary insults in your head?. There is no such talk in Dublin.

It seems like there is plenty of hype in Donegal though:

http://www.donegaldemocrat.ie/news/local/croke_park_gaa_ticket_allocation_just_16_1_2988065

"Donegal GAA County Administrator, Noreen Doherty, said that she had not seen such unbridled enthusiasm since the lead up to the final of 1992. She told the paper: "It's simply a sell-out. We have never dealt with such a high demand for tickets since 1992. It's incredible; the buzz and excitement is everywhere to be seen. It seems that everybody wants to go to the game, which is great."

Of course there is going to be a demand for tickets in donegal its 8 years since our last semi final but i wouldn't class that as hype just people who want to attend a big game like this as we don't get to many of them

Hype/'Unbridled enthusiasm' quelle est la difference?

[cadence]

only a wee bit of switcheroo fun. fair play to you heffo you saw that one a mile away.

anyway, for what it's worth, i do think there's something in the fact that dublin and their support have been noticably quiet in the build up to this game. it's the weight of history and i suppose that's the difference between us and you. we're happy to be in this postion and can make no bones about it either. we can stick the chest out and say we believe in our team and that we believe that our team can win. dublin will only really be able to come out and say stuff like that if you reach the final. oppostion teams can and do use stuff like that to fire them up and it stands to reason that it's psychological unwise to think the battle's won before the fray has been entered in any endeavour. because of past implosions and up until the point when dublin get to a final again, it'll be we'll take each game as it comes and we're not thinking about a final, never mind kerry. dublin give oppositions more respect these days. it's been very quiet from both camps, but i wouldn't read much into it that as sides must realise how much media interest and internets chatter there about this and how anything that's said can be spun as grist for the mill. 

besides, i like being able to have unbridled enthusiasm and to not give two hoots what the oppostion thinks.

[heffo]

only a wee bit of switcheroo fun. fair play to you heffo you saw that one a mile away.

anyway, for what it's worth, i do think there's something in the fact that dublin and their support have been noticably quiet in the build up to this game. it's the weight of history and i suppose that's the difference between us and you. we're happy to be in this postion and can make no bones about it either. we can stick the chest out and say we believe in our team and that we believe that our team can win. dublin will only really be able to come out and say stuff like that if you reach the final. oppostion teams can and do use stuff like that to fire them up and it stands to reason that it's psychological unwise to think the battle's won before the fray has been entered in any endeavour. because of past implosions and up until the point when dublin get to a final again, it'll be we'll take each game as it comes and we're not thinking about a final, never mind kerry. dublin give oppositions more respect these days. it's been very quiet from both camps, but i wouldn't read much into it that as sides must realise how much media interest and internets chatter there about this and how anything that's said can be spun as grist for the mill. 

besides, i like being able to have unbridled enthusiasm and to not give two hoots what the oppostion thinks.

You've hit the nail on the head there Cadence.

Irrespective of how Sunday's game goes though, Donegal are now a serious team.

They remind me somewhat of Tyrone in 2003 - Tyrone then played a horrible brand of football in 2003 (imo) and then evolved into a great team playing great football.

[cadence]

only a wee bit of switcheroo fun. fair play to you heffo you saw that one a mile away.

anyway, for what it's worth, i do think there's something in the fact that dublin and their support have been noticably quiet in the build up to this game. it's the weight of history and i suppose that's the difference between us and you. we're happy to be in this postion and can make no bones about it either. we can stick the chest out and say we believe in our team and that we believe that our team can win. dublin will only really be able to come out and say stuff like that if you reach the final. oppostion teams can and do use stuff like that to fire them up and it stands to reason that it's psychological unwise to think the battle's won before the fray has been entered in any endeavour. because of past implosions and up until the point when dublin get to a final again, it'll be we'll take each game as it comes and we're not thinking about a final, never mind kerry. dublin give oppositions more respect these days. it's been very quiet from both camps, but i wouldn't read much into it that as sides must realise how much media interest and internets chatter there about this and how anything that's said can be spun as grist for the mill. 

besides, i like being able to have unbridled enthusiasm and to not give two hoots what the oppostion thinks.

You've hit the nail on the head there Cadence.

Irrespective of how Sunday's game goes though, Donegal are now a serious team.

They remind me somewhat of Tyrone in 2003 - Tyrone then played a horrible brand of football in 2003 (imo) and then evolved into a great team playing great football.

there's something in that tyrone analogy i think.

mcguinness is super astute and i love his philosophy. he deserves more credit than he's received and than he'd probably accept himself either from how he presents himself. it's very down to earth and mature way of approaching things. anyway, from what appears to be simple ingredients to begin with, it's all developing nicely into something else. i've been astonished at the transition of this donegal side. donegal have had a tradition of playing a certain style of football that has mainly been about good ball carriers and good movement breaking out and working the ball quickly up the field into scoring positions. it's slightly more complicated than that obviously, but as a basic rule, donegal players tend to be good with the ball on the move and at passing and moving. mcguinnes is the first in charge to devise a strategy to cope with the necessary evil in the modern era of having a defensive strategy whilst still allowing our traditional game to remain. donegal's game is not totally negative. going forward we are to my eyes still recognisably playing traditional donegal football with the same emphases on the skills and style we learned as youngsters. but i love more the fact that now we have that trojan never-say-die character. and it's not just in our defence, it's all over the field. there's no-one out there being carried because he's a wonderfully talented attacking footballer or whatever. it's awesome because the system itself is entirely worthless unless it's imbued with something that the players can anchor themselves to. and that's where mcguinness has done some job. the system is about the hours of hard graft in preparation, working together truly as a team, carrying on into the gloaming when things aren't looking too clever and doing it for donegal. never mind coming close, i honestly think that this donegal side will win an all ireland if they keep believing in what they do. and i have also started to believe that arguments about whether they have developed enough and have enough of an all round game are totally and utterly irrelevant, because the main factor intrinsic to them being successful is being together and pushing themselves collectively over the line.

love this donegal team. makes me proud to be a donegal man i'm telling you.

"Beyond the extreme of fatigue and distress, we may find amounts of ease and power we never dreamed ourselves to own; sources of strength never taxed at all because we never push through the obstruction."

William James

[armaghniac]

he deserves more credit than he's received

I don't know. Anyone who say Donegal play in Crossmaglen last summer can only marvel at the extent of the improvement.

[donegal lad]

he deserves more credit than he's received

I don't know. Anyone who say Donegal play in Crossmaglen last summer can only marvel at the extent of the improvement.

that is always the game i refer to when talking about how much we have improved in less than a year that day was the 2nd lowest i have experienced following donegal we were at rock bottom and to now think we are only 70 minutes away from an all ireland final is unbelievable

[EC Unique]

Dubs by at least 5 points.

[The Hill is Blue]

How about a song lads - together now, one, two, three .........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T7OaDDR7i8

[cadence]

wee bit of underground resistance inspiration for all donegal folk.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYAIJjZD1I0&playnext=1&list=PLD044CC76779EF1ED

make your transition!

[Goldengreen]

interesting insight to the mentality of the Dublin players going into the AI final in 92

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/carr-i-knew-dubs-would-lose-92-final-a-month-beforehand-2856006.html

[Hardy]

It seems to me that Dublin's obsessive determination not to be seen as hyping themselves up is weighing heavily on them and eroding their self confidence. It could be a deciding factor on match day. Dublin teams traditionally need to feed off the razzmatazz that convinces them they're ten points better than the opposition. This self-effacing demeanour suggests a haunting fear of failure that could be paralysing.

[heffo]

It seems to me that Dublin's obsessive determination not to be seen as hyping themselves up is weighing heavily on them and eroding their self confidence. It could be a deciding factor on match day. Dublin teams traditionally need to feed off the razzmatazz that convinces them they're ten points better than the opposition. This self-effacing demeanour suggests a haunting fear of failure that could be paralysing.

That'll have to be filed under 'must try harder' Hardy. Dissapointing. 4/10.

[Hardy]

I'm no Mike Sheehy, I'll give you that.

[the Deel Rover]

interesting insight to the mentality of the Dublin players going into the AI final in 92

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/carr-i-knew-dubs-would-lose-92-final-a-month-beforehand-2856006.html

it was probably tommy himself that got up and left