Is the Pope of Rome welcome in Ireland? (32 counties)

[mylestheslasher]

Nally - May I ask how you voted and why?

Apologies for the lateness of the reply here, I was having trouble connecting to the board for some reason there. To answer your question, I haven't voted on the thread at all actually. I try not to give too much credence to any poll started by a clown like MGHU.

I opposed the visit of the British Head of State & Head of the British armed forces on the point of principle that that person was the head of an organisation which continues to lie and withhold truths about disgusting crimes in Ireland. I also said at the time that until I believed that state/organisation apologised and did all in it's power to provide justice, I would continue to oppose such a visit. I would be a hypocrite if I didn't hold a similar opinion on a potential visit by The Pope. And I say that as a practicing Catholic. I have more faith in my actual religion and the Church as a spiritual entity, than in it's practical institutions/hierarchy/structures which have clearly let so many people down in such a cruel manner.

Fair enough. I was not in favour of the queen of englands visit either for the same reasons and a bunch if d4 know nothing's telling us how mature we now were turned my stomach.

[deiseach]

I love these kind of tit-for-tat arguments - when I'm not involved in them

[AZOffaly]

I love the clever use of fontsthat people do to make a point

[lynchbhoy]

what religions are those multiple beardy guys heads of ?

I couldn't be arsed answering that in detail, read it for yourself

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarch

Maybe I am reading the wrong section , but there is no mention of the word 'Pope' in that wiki definition ( then again wiki is more often way wrong than anything else). That wiki piece also doesn't define which religions these Hearst guys are 'popes' of. Please can you let me know what section I should be looking at for this! Tia

[Maguire01]

Nally - May I ask how you voted and why?

Apologies for the lateness of the reply here, I was having trouble connecting to the board for some reason there. To answer your question, I haven't voted on the thread at all actually. I try not to give too much credence to any poll started by a clown like MGHU.

I opposed the visit of the British Head of State & Head of the British armed forces on the point of principle that that person was the head of an organisation which continues to lie and withhold truths about disgusting crimes in Ireland. I also said at the time that until I believed that state/organisation apologised and did all in it's power to provide justice, I would continue to oppose such a visit. I would be a hypocrite if I didn't hold a similar opinion on a potential visit by The Pope. And I say that as a practicing Catholic. I have more faith in my actual religion and the Church as a spiritual entity, than in it's practical institutions/hierarchy/structures which have clearly let so many people down in such a cruel manner.

Should Sinn Féin release the black balloons again?

[Nally Stand]

Nally - May I ask how you voted and why?

Apologies for the lateness of the reply here, I was having trouble connecting to the board for some reason there. To answer your question, I haven't voted on the thread at all actually. I try not to give too much credence to any poll started by a clown like MGHU.

I opposed the visit of the British Head of State & Head of the British armed forces on the point of principle that that person was the head of an organisation which continues to lie and withhold truths about disgusting crimes in Ireland. I also said at the time that until I believed that state/organisation apologised and did all in it's power to provide justice, I would continue to oppose such a visit. I would be a hypocrite if I didn't hold a similar opinion on a potential visit by The Pope. And I say that as a practicing Catholic. I have more faith in my actual religion and the Church as a spiritual entity, than in it's practical institutions/hierarchy/structures which have clearly let so many people down in such a cruel manner.

Should Sinn Féin release the black balloons again?

Good input.

[mayogodhelpus@gmail.com]

what religions are those multiple beardy guys heads of ?

I couldn't be arsed answering that in detail, read it for yourself

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarch

Maybe I am reading the wrong section , but there is no mention of the word 'Pope' in that wiki definition ( then again wiki is more often way wrong than anything else). That wiki piece also doesn't define which religions these Hearst guys are 'popes' of. Please can you let me know what section I should be looking at for this! Tia

Popes and Patriarchs are the same thing. Some of these men titles are Pope others are Patriach and even within this there appears to be a hierarchy of Popes/Patriarchs. Even within the Latin Rites (Western) Roman Catholic Church there appears to be some kind of mini-Popes/Patriarchs below the Pope (I presume below), the Patriarch of Milan and the Patriarch of Rome. Not sure the one in Byzantium appears to be of equal rank to the Bishop of Rome, but much as the Reformation much later the schism between the East (Roman) and West (Orthodox). Most use the title Patriarch, a few use the title Pope, and I notice several other titles used to denote the same. Yes I know Wiki is not the best reference.

[mayogodhelpus@gmail.com]

P.s. Again, I will never need lectured on Irish Republicanism by a FGer who feels the need to put in brackets outlining how many counties he is referring to after he writes the word "Ireland".

O you are a complete idiot Republicanism and Reunification are not the same thing, they intersect in the Irish context but they are NOT the same thing. I stated the number of counties to distinguish the Island of the name Ireland from the Independent Nation State of Ireland (which is its official name). Just in case you struggle with it, the 26 counties which include all the counties of Munster, Leinster and Connacht + the counties of Cavan, Donegal and Monaghan are not called Southern Ireland or the Free State or any other of your regular insults. If you have an issue with me calling the 26 counties Ireland, that is an argument about Reunification or Nationalism NOT Republicanism you inept moron.

Move beyond the school of petrol bombs for your interpretation of Republicanism and try a book perhaps.

You are clearly a Nationailst, but don't appear to be a Republican.

Have you no shame?
- You quote ONE line from my post, which is basically just an aside from my main arguments of my post
- You want to talk about nothing but definitions of republicanism but accuse me of changing the subject when talking about visits to Ireland by HM
- One minute you are asking a poster "What was your reaction to Elizabeth II coming to the Irish Republic?", yet when I mention her, you reply "This is about your Pope not the Queen of England, stop deflecting." (priceless  )


...Now, I have asked you a question repeatedly on this thread an you have refused so far to answer it, so I may just re-post my last post, (minus the little aside about republicanism just so you can stay focused), and we can see if you are capable of answering it yet...

Quote from MGHU on this thread at 2:03pm:

I noticed you voted Yes. So you welcome this Absolute Monarch, this Head of State, this Leader of a Religion, this Leader of a country which has done great wrong to Ireland & very recently. What was your reaction to Elizabeth II coming to the Irish Republic?

Quote from MGHU on this thread at 4:07pm:

This is about your Pope not the Queen of England, stop deflecting.

What a difference a couple of hours can make  Saying as you found yourself fit to talk about the queen of England earlier, I will repeat my question (maybe you could answer it this time?):

Could you let us all know how the head of one state/organisation which had members commit heinous crimes and which continues to cover them up, should be welcomed to Ireland, while the head of another state/organisation which had members commit heinous crimes and which continues to cover them up, should not be welcomed to Ireland?

Of course you ignore my point with as much as skill as you seem to interpret I do with yours. Actually having problems with the board too, so will respond fully at the bottom minus a quote as I cannot see the text as I write it if I quote you.

[Lar Naparka]

what religions are those multiple beardy guys heads of ?

I couldn't be arsed answering that in detail, read it for yourself

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarch

Maybe I am reading the wrong section , but there is no mention of the word 'Pope' in that wiki definition ( then again wiki is more often way wrong than anything else). That wiki piece also doesn't define which religions these Hearst guys are 'popes' of. Please can you let me know what section I should be looking at for this! Tia

I've been thinking the same thing.
Some of them beardy buckos were appointed by the Pope himself so they can't be real  popes; can they?

[mayogodhelpus@gmail.com]

OK well I see what I did there, I'll give ya that one Nally    Well this is about the Pope not the Queen, perhaps I shouldn't have gone on to a tangent either.

But to answer you, the Primeminister, the British Government and the British Parliament control the British army and define British internal and external policy, including the use of their military. The Queen is a figurehead who hands out silly powerless titles.

The Pope of Rome is the true commander and chief of all things Vatican, Papel or Roman Catholic, the buck stops with him, he is both the figurehead and Absolute Monarch.

Your problem should be with the British Primeministers, Pariament and Government not the Queen. Of course you prefer to hate the Queen because that fits into the traditional Irish attitude of blame the Monarch. As idiotic the British system of having a Monarch as head of state, they haven't had any real power for centuries.

[mayogodhelpus@gmail.com]

what religions are those multiple beardy guys heads of ?

I couldn't be arsed answering that in detail, read it for yourself

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarch

Maybe I am reading the wrong section , but there is no mention of the word 'Pope' in that wiki definition ( then again wiki is more often way wrong than anything else). That wiki piece also doesn't define which religions these Hearst guys are 'popes' of. Please can you let me know what section I should be looking at for this! Tia

I've been thinking the same thing.
Some of them beardy buckos were appointed by the Pope himself so they can't be real  popes; can they?

Pope/Patriarchs are leaders of churches, there appears to be a hierarchy among them of who they think is above them and who is below them.

What is a real Pope Lar?

[mayogodhelpus@gmail.com]

Nally - May I ask how you voted and why?

I try not to give too much credence to any poll started by a clown like MGHU.

Coming from you SlapstickNally, I must be doing something right 

Figured out the difference between Republicanism, Nationalism, Unification, Catholicism, Paramilitarism, Patriotism yet. I'm sure we can find you a pop-up book to explain.

[Nally Stand]

OK well I see what I did there, I'll give ya that one Nally    Well this is about the Pope not the Queen, perhaps I shouldn't have gone on to a tangent either.

But to answer you, the Primeminister, the British Government and the British Parliament control the British army and define British internal and external policy, including the use of their military. The Queen is a figurehead who hands out silly powerless titles.

The Pope of Rome is the true commander and chief of all things Vatican, Papel or Roman Catholic, the buck stops with him, he is both the figurehead and Absolute Monarch.

Your problem should be with the British Primeministers, Pariament and Government not the Queen. Of course you prefer to hate the Queen because that fits into the traditional Irish attitude of blame the Monarch. As idiotic the British system of having a Monarch as head of state, they haven't had any real power for centuries.

So MGHU, if you genuinely don't believe there are parallels between the two visits, why then, when you believed Gaoth Dobhair Abu voted that he would welcome the Pope, did you reply to him with the question "So you welcome this Absolute Monarch, this Head of State, this Leader of a Religion, this Leader of a country which has done great wrong to Ireland & very recently. What was your reaction to Elizabeth II coming to the Irish Republic?" ??

You are tying yourself i knots here MGHU. You have now contradicted yourself twice:
1st: Attacking me for mentioning the queen of Britain's visit, claiming that I was changing the subject, despite having mentioned it yourself two hours previous.
2nd: Drawing parallels between the visit of the Pope and The Queen of Britain in response to GDA, yet claiming they are not a parallel when replying to me.

Make up your mind which story you want to go with and stick to it

[mayogodhelpus@gmail.com]

OK well I see what I did there, I'll give ya that one Nally    Well this is about the Pope not the Queen, perhaps I shouldn't have gone on to a tangent either.

But to answer you, the Primeminister, the British Government and the British Parliament control the British army and define British internal and external policy, including the use of their military. The Queen is a figurehead who hands out silly powerless titles.

The Pope of Rome is the true commander and chief of all things Vatican, Papel or Roman Catholic, the buck stops with him, he is both the figurehead and Absolute Monarch.

Your problem should be with the British Primeministers, Pariament and Government not the Queen. Of course you prefer to hate the Queen because that fits into the traditional Irish attitude of blame the Monarch. As idiotic the British system of having a Monarch as head of state, they haven't had any real power for centuries.

So MGHU, if you genuinely don't believe there are parallels between the two visits, why then, when you believed Gaoth Dobhair Abu voted that he would welcome the Pope, did you reply to him with the question "So you welcome this Absolute Monarch, this Head of State, this Leader of a Religion, this Leader of a country which has done great wrong to Ireland & very recently. What was your reaction to Elizabeth II coming to the Irish Republic?" ??

You are tying yourself i knots here MGHU. You have now contradicted yourself twice:
1st: Attacking me for mentioning the queen of Britain's visit, claiming that I was changing the subject, despite having mentioned it yourself two hours previous.
2nd: Drawing parallels between the visit of the Pope and The Queen of Britain in response to GDA, yet claiming they are not a parallel when replying to me.

Make up your mind which story you want to go with and stick to it

Ha you see, to GD I never said the Queen was the leader of the United Kingdom or in charge of the British Army, I was careful with my words, I left it open for GD & the likes of yourself to make your usual and boring conclusions. Read it again, you have just walked into the wording I left for the likes of You. Thanks for saving me time of having to find the quote. 

[Maguire01]

Nally - May I ask how you voted and why?

Apologies for the lateness of the reply here, I was having trouble connecting to the board for some reason there. To answer your question, I haven't voted on the thread at all actually. I try not to give too much credence to any poll started by a clown like MGHU.

I opposed the visit of the British Head of State & Head of the British armed forces on the point of principle that that person was the head of an organisation which continues to lie and withhold truths about disgusting crimes in Ireland. I also said at the time that until I believed that state/organisation apologised and did all in it's power to provide justice, I would continue to oppose such a visit. I would be a hypocrite if I didn't hold a similar opinion on a potential visit by The Pope. And I say that as a practicing Catholic. I have more faith in my actual religion and the Church as a spiritual entity, than in it's practical institutions/hierarchy/structures which have clearly let so many people down in such a cruel manner.

Should Sinn Féin release the black balloons again?

Good input.

Good answer.