It Must be Marching Season

[Rossfan]

Is whitey Jamie Bryson?

No, just a racist Yank brainwashed by their Zionist media.

[p3427977]

Is whitey Jamie Bryson?

No, just a racist Yank brainwashed by their Zionist media.

Only noticed him yesterday for the first time. Depressing stuff.

[imtommygunn]

There is a lot of significance to the garvaghy road march. Moreso than pretty much any other march. The only one that compares is the lower ormeau road one. The hate they brought out was like nothing ordinary. History should have told people they should never be repeated. How anyone thought anything otherwise was a good idea is beyond me. You couple that with the fact the INITIAL decision was made only two days previously with the turned over appeal about eight hours previously not only is the decision ludicrous but the timing of it made it much worse particularly for the psni.

They can ban scarva marches etc all they like and yes slurry was spread there. This one matters and is being used by two horrendous individuals to fuel their personal profiles with no regard for peace processes, lives you name it.

No good will come of this and if they'd have been let walk down that road no good would have come of it.

[AustinPowers]

So what happens next year when the Great March for Gaza applies to the PC to march through Scarva, over the vehement objections of the local residents?

Ban all parades for 20 years.

That would include St Patrick's Day parades and the like.

Good. The money saved will pay for us all to go to Chicago for St Patrick's Day.

No need to fly to the states when  we  have our own  green water over here

[Eamonnca1]

Quoth Ben Lowry on Twitter the other day (my emphasis):

I have been at Drumcree since early this morning.
I was wary about reopening this dispute but now that has happened, here are thoughts from one unionist perspective.
The Orange Order have taken a totally different approach to even the early 2000s (let alone 1990s). There are no supporters on Drumcree hill. None.
They used the courts the way nationalists have long done. This highlighted the complacency of a Parades Commission that failed to promote mediation, as it is obliged to do, and which had in effect rewarded a veto by resident leaders who would not talk.
This is a march with a long history and so it enjoys a greater presumption of right to proceed than marches that lack that tradition.
The massively scaled down Orange proposal of 60 men walking silently, rather than 800 men with bands and banners and flags, was further cut by the commission to 35 participants at 8am. This compromise ruling has been rejected by the full spectrum of Irish nationalism.
We are told the timing clashed with 8am Mass. Are the numbers at that service large? I was at the main 11am Anglican service at Drumcree parish this morning, which had around 30 congregants, reflecting the big declines in NI church attendance.
Would a 7am silent march with 12 people be accepted? I am reminded of a unionist politician saying years ago that residents in part of north Belfast had got out of their beds to be offended by an early Twelfth feeder march.
With a massive crowd on the Garvaghy Road the march will not happen without police dragging people off the streets. The first minister is with the crowds, just as she was at the helm of the huge Bobby Storey IRA funeral (when she had been the most adamant Stormont voice for stricter lockdowns, and after thousands of people in NI had abided by the then severe restrictions on funeral sizes for their loved one).
Police removing demonstrators, even though at an unnotified protest, would be cited to justify the grievance and lies about the PSNI being sectarian, and bolster dissident republicans.
I am not an Orangeman so I comment as an outsider. I think they would win a moral victory if they acknowledged the impossibility of going ahead today. They could say that 'we sought approval to march, we got it, we assembled to abide fully by the new, stricter terms but it was impossible to proceed given the crowds, led by the first minister'.
They could say we will continue to apply for a limited return march.
It would expose double standards, not least among those who show contempt for the wishes of local Belfast communities with a policy that forces Irish signage in streets where 85% of residents don't want it.
A footnote: at Drumcree parish, Rev Gary Galway said this morning: "We must love our neighbours and we do love our neighbours on the Garvaghy Road"

The usual bigoted talking points aside, his solution is interesting. The Jaffas declare a moral victory and just go home. No need for a standoff.

[Eamonnca1]

He has a point. Culture wars have two sides. If nationalists go to block all of their marches,they will do the same.

No he does not. The Gaza march did not pass through Scarva. Anyone in Scarva wanting to be offended by an anti-genocide march would have to walk across the railway line, across four fields, and peep over the hedge  before seeing it.

[trueblue1234]

I wonder if the residents were to say, we'll let you finish your 1998 March if you agree it's the final one and you'll find a new route for all future matches. Then they turn out and turn their back on the 35 marchers.
Would it be worth it to put the issue to bed for good? Would it allow both sides to walk away with a victory.

[Eamonnca1]

I wonder if the residents were to say, we'll let you finish your 1998 March if you agree it's the final one and you'll find a new route for all future matches. Then they turn out and turn their back on the 35 marchers.
Would it be worth it to put the issue to bed for good? Would it allow both sides to walk away with a victory.

I've heard about this one-and-done solution. I'd be okay with it. At the end of the first siege (I before E except after C) the residents stood in a silent protest. Doubt if there'd be much appetite for it now though, after all that's happened.

[AustinPowers]

I wonder if the residents were to say, we'll let you finish your 1998 March if you agree it's the final one and you'll find a new route for all future matches. Then they turn out and turn their back on the 35 marchers.
Would it be worth it to put the issue to bed for good? Would it allow both sides to walk away with a victory.

I was thinking  that might be on the cards. But the OO would never  agree to  it because that would mean  the Fenians have won.

Theres no  point in the Garvaghy residents making this stand , unless it  finishes this march off for good. Anything less is  a failure.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

Finish the parade from 1998? Christ the night.....

[marty34]

I wonder if the residents were to say, we'll let you finish your 1998 March if you agree it's the final one and you'll find a new route for all future matches. Then they turn out and turn their back on the 35 marchers.
Would it be worth it to put the issue to bed for good? Would it allow both sides to walk away with a victory.

FFS.

You can't compromise with Nazis.

[trueblue1234]

It should be offered and if declined it puts the pressure back on the OO.
I know it would be galling for them to allow the final one. But if it offered up the opportunity for it all to be put to bed once and for all, then it would be worth it imo.
And I know they might not want to admit it, but I'd say the OO would be sick of this now. Even the operational side of having to submit an application every week. And the pressure it's starting to raise on other marches. They're bound to realise now that the PSNI aren't going to batter the taigs anymore. So is it worth it? Maybe a final march to park it and allow them to show that they've compromised. They can still claim a victory by getting the 1998 one finished, and save face.

[DaleCooper]

Compromise solution. Taxpayers fund VR headsets [35] and they can use Google streetview to simulate the march. They can play any songs they want in the Orange Hall.

[Baile Brigín 2]

He has a point. Culture wars have two sides. If nationalists go to block all of their marches,they will do the same.

No he does not. The Gaza march did not pass through Scarva. Anyone in Scarva wanting to be offended by an anti-genocide march would have to walk across the railway line, across four fields, and peep over the hedge  before seeing it.

You have chosen to miss the point

[square_ball]

The Ben Lowry suggestion would actually be the most sensible but can't see it happening. A stopped clock and all that...

Plus the Belfast Telegraph had a quote from one of the orangemen saying even if they are successful in getting down the road today or the next few days they'll be applying again for future marches.