who turned down the visit to meet the queen at croke park?

[ross matt]

Would  totally agree with Nally Stand on this one . Many of my friends feel the exact same when this has arose in discussion. I am not a dinosaur or against moving on or whatever other title you wish to bestow upon six county nationalists whose only crime is that we want to be Irish and enjoy the same sense of freedom that our counterparts in the 26 have . We have made many compromises to hopefully acheive this aim some day.. We have moved on quite a lot. It may not happen in my generation but to hold high that ideal and make it possible someday is something that my father dreamed of I have and hopefully my children will. In the meantime we accept what the staus quo is at the moment. to that aim our only way of maintaining our identity is holding on to the culture that makes me feel Irish and keeps us together ie the GAA Irish language song dance etc.
The queens visit was again a divisive issue , for many in the 26 and some here to it's not a big deal. To us she is positioned as our Queen and we her loyal subjects . When she comes to the six counties she comes not as a foreign head of state but as a figure head ruler to visit her noble and loyal subjects of which whether I want it or not I am supposed to be one . All that was fought for meant nothing to us as we lost and you the 26 won. For her to recieve the accolades, the adulation the over celebrity like status is stomach churning . if thats what you call moving on thats fine it's certainly not a word I would use.

We in my area struggle to get our street names in Irish . We had our clubrooms burnt down twice withiin this past 10 years We didnt get any compo because the psni told us it wasnt a terrorist act because we couldnt prove that more than three people were involved. The council sent us a letter to complain about the flying of the tricolour at our matches and the letter was addressed to Mr Robert Emmett 16 **** road etc.Our church burnt to the ground 5 years ago by her loyal subjects. For us it is a struggle to be and maintain what many others take for granted. Times have improved and please god they will continue to improve but for the GAA or whoever to take the queen to Croke park when many of its patrons are denied the right to their national  identity in my opinion is wrong.
Having said that i would not be involved in any protest and certainly have nothing to do with the neanderthals that protested on the street but quietly register my protest and opinion if asked (which  wasnt ). i will continue to uphold my identity like many others whether the queen is here or not. AS I said life goes on

Rionach that's a very intelligent, well argued and balanced post.

[rionach 4]

Yes I have an Irish passport which I get through Dublin as Dublin recognises my right to be Irish.

It did however surrender articles 2 and 3 of the Irish constitution which claimed jurisdiction over the north and as such left me and many of my fellow nationalists feeling a sense of abandonment .
However Rossfan it was done in the name of moving on and I have to accept that. i may not like the fact that we sit in a "Local Irish based assembly" Stormont or have a police force half reformed(patton Report was never fully implemented) or pay my taxes to support an army that waged war on Iraq and carried out many foul deeds against my fellow countrymen(and arm and help others to do it) or sit back and watch a state relinquish its title hold on its northern counterpart but it's all called moving on and I may not like and I don't it but hey life goes on . i can sleep in my bed at night without fear of seeing men with pickaxes chopping my door down holding sub machine guns (happened me twice )   Living in fear and moving the family out during Drumcree . putting reinforced steel under my bed so that when they did get in they could only fire through the ceiling up into the bed and they would hit the reinforced steel. I dont want that again I couldnt go through again .  I llost a lot here , a lot but when you and i are arguing about a queens visit  .when I sit back and think , you know it's great that thats all I have to shout about. i'll move on

[bloodybreakball]

rionach is that robert emmets in cushendun. driving me mad cant think of any other one's!

[Rossfan]

i can sleep in my bed at night without fear of seeing men with pickaxes chopping my door down holding sub machine guns (happened me twice )   Living in fear and moving the family out during Drumcree . putting reinforced steel under my bed so that when they did get in they could only fire through the ceiling up into the bed and they would hit the reinforced steel. I dont want that again I couldnt go through again . 

In a week when "movin on " became the most abused phrase around ... thanks God things have moved on ( sorry! ) from that .

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eskragh  emmetts

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Lisnakea Emmetts

[EC Unique]

I'm with Nally on this one. Some of the 'move on' comments are disgusting and people that have that opinion obviously have a sheltered and nieive knowledge of what actually went on in the occupied 6 over the last few decades. People lost their lives simply due to the fact they were members of the GAA and their murders were directly aided and facilitated by Brittish forces. Tell those families to 'move on'. Discusting and shameful stuff. Sadly not suprising though.

[Eamonnca1]

I'm with Nally on this one. Some of the 'move on' comments are disgusting and people that have that opinion obviously have a sheltered and nieive knowledge of what actually went on in the occupied 6 over the last few decades. People lost their lives simply due to the fact they were members of the GAA and their murders were directly aided and facilitated by Brittish forces. Tell those families to 'move on'. Discusting and shameful stuff. Sadly not suprising though.

Away and shite. How dare you jump to that conclusion about people you've never met and know nothing about. I'm a nationalist from the north, I'm GAA to the core, I know exactly what went on since I grew up with it, and I happen to think that "let's move on" is a perfectly valid thing to say. There's been enough hatred, enough targetting of people because they're GAA members, enough having to duck below the windows on the train home from matches in Dublin every time it goes through that hole in Portadown, and enough burning of GAA halls because people think we're evil. Enough, do you hear me? Enough!

You don't like the tone of the "move on" comments? Well I don't like the tone of the "don't tell me to move on" comments because they're presumptuous, jurassic, and some of them are so bitter and twisted they sound like they're coming out of the mouths of the Celtic shirt-wearing "no to foreign games" crowd. Don't get on your republican fundamentalist high horse with me, son.

[mylestheslasher]

I'm with Nally on this one. Some of the 'move on' comments are disgusting and people that have that opinion obviously have a sheltered and nieive knowledge of what actually went on in the occupied 6 over the last few decades. People lost their lives simply due to the fact they were members of the GAA and their murders were directly aided and facilitated by Brittish forces. Tell those families to 'move on'. Discusting and shameful stuff. Sadly not suprising though.

Away and shite. How dare you jump to that conclusion about people you've never met and know nothing about. I'm a nationalist from the north, I'm GAA to the core, I know exactly what went on since I grew up with it, and I happen to think that "let's move on" is a perfectly valid thing to say. There's been enough hatred, enough targetting of people because they're GAA members, enough having to duck below the windows on the train home from matches in Dublin every time it goes through that hole in Portadown, and enough burning of GAA halls because people think we're evil. Enough, do you hear me? Enough!

You don't like the tone of the "move on" comments? Well I don't like the tone of the "don't tell me to move on" comments because they're presumptuous, jurassic, and some of them are so bitter and twisted they sound like they're coming out of the mouths of the Celtic shirt-wearing "no to foreign games" crowd. Don't get on your republican fundamentalist high horse with me, son.

Perfect example here. People are not happy with the royal love in and you shout them down as being dinosaurs. Thanks for the example!

[pintsofguinness]

I'm with Nally on this one. Some of the 'move on' comments are disgusting and people that have that opinion obviously have a sheltered and nieive knowledge of what actually went on in the occupied 6 over the last few decades. People lost their lives simply due to the fact they were members of the GAA and their murders were directly aided and facilitated by Brittish forces. Tell those families to 'move on'. Discusting and shameful stuff. Sadly not suprising though.

Away and shite. How dare you jump to that conclusion about people you've never met and know nothing about. I'm a nationalist from the north, I'm GAA to the core, I know exactly what went on since I grew up with it, and I happen to think that "let's move on" is a perfectly valid thing to say. There's been enough hatred, enough targetting of people because they're GAA members, enough having to duck below the windows on the train home from matches in Dublin every time it goes through that hole in Portadown, and enough burning of GAA halls because people think we're evil. Enough, do you hear me? Enough!

You don't like the tone of the "move on" comments? Well I don't like the tone of the "don't tell me to move on" comments because they're presumptuous, jurassic, and some of them are so bitter and twisted they sound like they're coming out of the mouths of the Celtic shirt-wearing "no to foreign games" crowd. Don't get on your republican fundamentalist high horse with me, son.

I bet you wouldn't dream of saying "move on" to the family or friends of someone  who died in a car accident or who were murdered in some sort of "normal" (for the want of a better word) circumstances so why in God's name would anyone think it's acceptable to say it to people who've lost loved ones in the troubles?  I don't understand. 

[mylestheslasher]

According to the examiner tyrone,fermanagh, derry and antrim didn't get an invite. Instead fuhrer cooney told them he was the only one allowed to comment on the visit. It also says Cavan, monaghan & donegal didn't show up although it doesn't say whether they were actually invited.

[EC Unique]

I'm with Nally on this one. Some of the 'move on' comments are disgusting and people that have that opinion obviously have a sheltered and nieive knowledge of what actually went on in the occupied 6 over the last few decades. People lost their lives simply due to the fact they were members of the GAA and their murders were directly aided and facilitated by Brittish forces. Tell those families to 'move on'. Discusting and shameful stuff. Sadly not suprising though.

Away and shite. How dare you jump to that conclusion about people you've never met and know nothing about. I'm a nationalist from the north, I'm GAA to the core, I know exactly what went on since I grew up with it, and I happen to think that "let's move on" is a perfectly valid thing to say. There's been enough hatred, enough targetting of people because they're GAA members, enough having to duck below the windows on the train home from matches in Dublin every time it goes through that hole in Portadown, and enough burning of GAA halls because people think we're evil. Enough, do you hear me? Enough!

You don't like the tone of the "move on" comments? Well I don't like the tone of the "don't tell me to move on" comments because they're presumptuous, jurassic, and some of them are so bitter and twisted they sound like they're coming out of the mouths of the Celtic shirt-wearing "no to foreign games" crowd. Don't get on your republican fundamentalist high horse with me, son.

You really do not have a clue do you? The fact that you say you are from the north makes it even worse. I'm not up on any 'republican fundamentalist high horse'. I'm simply saying that it is very wrong of you or anyone to tell others, who may have lost loved ones, when is the right time to 'move on'. Some wounds are still very raw.

[Eamonnca1]

I'm with Nally on this one. Some of the 'move on' comments are disgusting and people that have that opinion obviously have a sheltered and nieive knowledge of what actually went on in the occupied 6 over the last few decades. People lost their lives simply due to the fact they were members of the GAA and their murders were directly aided and facilitated by Brittish forces. Tell those families to 'move on'. Discusting and shameful stuff. Sadly not suprising though.

Away and shite. How dare you jump to that conclusion about people you've never met and know nothing about. I'm a nationalist from the north, I'm GAA to the core, I know exactly what went on since I grew up with it, and I happen to think that "let's move on" is a perfectly valid thing to say. There's been enough hatred, enough targetting of people because they're GAA members, enough having to duck below the windows on the train home from matches in Dublin every time it goes through that hole in Portadown, and enough burning of GAA halls because people think we're evil. Enough, do you hear me? Enough!

You don't like the tone of the "move on" comments? Well I don't like the tone of the "don't tell me to move on" comments because they're presumptuous, jurassic, and some of them are so bitter and twisted they sound like they're coming out of the mouths of the Celtic shirt-wearing "no to foreign games" crowd. Don't get on your republican fundamentalist high horse with me, son.

You really do not have a clue do you? The fact that you say you are from the north makes it even worse. I'm not up on any 'republican fundamentalist high horse'. I'm simply saying that it is very wrong of you or anyone to tell others, who may have lost loved ones, when is the right time to 'move on'. Some wounds are still very raw.

You jumped to a conclusion that I am in favour of the Queen's visit therefore I know nothing about what happened in the north and led some sort of sheltered life. That's a contemptible statement and you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

[muppet]

I bet you wouldn't dream of saying "move on" to the family or friends of someone  who died in a car accident or who were murdered in some sort of "normal" (for the want of a better word) circumstances so why in God's name would anyone think it's acceptable to say it to people who've lost loved ones in the troubles?  I don't understand.

Pints, I don't want to come across the wrong way on what is obviously a sensitive issue, but councillors would be very likely to encourage close relatives of bereaved to do exactly that. Speaking strictly from a personal point of view the last thing I would want my relatives doing, if I died suddenly, would be to beat themselves up every day with what might have been.

[pintsofguinness]

I bet you wouldn't dream of saying "move on" to the family or friends of someone  who died in a car accident or who were murdered in some sort of "normal" (for the want of a better word) circumstances so why in God's name would anyone think it's acceptable to say it to people who've lost loved ones in the troubles?  I don't understand.

Pints, I don't want to come across the wrong way on what is obviously a sensitive issue, but councillors would be very likely to encourage close relatives of bereaved to do exactly that. Speaking strictly from a personal point of view the last thing I would want my relatives doing, if I died suddenly, would be to beat themselves up every day with what might have been.

Muppet I don't think Councillors of the bereaved would say "move on" in the sneering, patronising way that those still hurting from the troubles are told daily.  It's simply unacceptable.  Plus, councillors of the bereaved would be aiming at helping those who are bereaved to pick up the pieces and not treat them like an embarrassing nuisance in the way families of the victims of the troubles are treated. 
If you knew someone who'd lost someone close to them and were having a hard time dealing with it you would not say to them to "move on", they would be shown sympathy by any right thinking person but when it's in relation to the troubles they're a dinosaur, living in the past and if we shout "move on" in their face enough times they will forget that their father, son, sister, brother etc was murdered.