Claudy report to be published by Ombudsman

[ardmhachaabu]

stibhan, what has any of that got to do with Claudy?

Why are you asking me? Everyone else in this thread, including you, is posting off-topic because of Myles' whataboutery.

It seems to me you are one of the main culprits.  Why shouldn't I ask you?  I did the OFFTOPIC thing in mentioning Doagh Island in order to give you and others the hint

Now I am asking you straight what it has to do with Claudy

Firstly, it isn't for you to tell me what to discuss. Secondly, you know the answer to that question. You shouldn't ask me because the original tenor of the discussion was changed not by me but by Myles, whether you think I'm one of the 'main culprits' or not. I have not engaged in any kind of whataboutery in this thread but have discussed Claudy and answered those who are trying to distract the conversation away from that topic.

Why shouldn't I ask you?

Is that against the rules of the forum?  Do you think you are above reproach?  You seem to think a lot of yourself 

[updown9194]

stibhan, what has any of that got to do with Claudy?

Why are you asking me? Everyone else in this thread, including you, is posting off-topic because of Myles' whataboutery.

It seems to me you are one of the main culprits.  Why shouldn't I ask you?  I did the OFFTOPIC thing in mentioning Doagh Island in order to give you and others the hint

Now I am asking you straight what it has to do with Claudy

Firstly, it isn't for you to tell me what to discuss. Secondly, you know the answer to that question. You shouldn't ask me because the original tenor of the discussion was changed not by me but by Myles, whether you think I'm one of the 'main culprits' or not. I have not engaged in any kind of whataboutery in this thread but have discussed Claudy and answered those who are trying to distract the conversation away from that topic.

Why shouldn't I ask you?

Is that against the rules of the forum?  Do you think you are above reproach?  You seem to think a lot of yourself 

Is it against the rules of this forum to stray from the topic?! If so, then why are you, and not the mods, enforcing those rules?

[Myles Na G.]

stibhan, what has any of that got to do with Claudy?

Why are you asking me? Everyone else in this thread, including you, is posting off-topic because of Myles' whataboutery.

It seems to me you are one of the main culprits.  Why shouldn't I ask you?  I did the OFFTOPIC thing in mentioning Doagh Island in order to give you and others the hint

Now I am asking you straight what it has to do with Claudy

Firstly, it isn't for you to tell me what to discuss. Secondly, you know the answer to that question. You shouldn't ask me because the original tenor of the discussion was changed not by me but by Myles, whether you think I'm one of the 'main culprits' or not. I have not engaged in any kind of whataboutery in this thread but have discussed Claudy and answered those who are trying to distract the conversation away from that topic.

Okay, okay, it's a fair cop, it was me wot did it. I'm guilty but society's to blame.

[ardmhachaabu]

I was trying to get the thread back to Claudy.  I think it deserves the discussion and not a series of erroneous and biased history lessons

[Minder]

I would say some would prefer not to take the topic back to Claudy.

[delboy]

colonial subjugation of Ireland, which included its own Malthusian 'final solution' in the various Famines.

Your use of quotation marks to imply doubt as to whether it was a 'Final Solution' mirror my own.

In spite of all of that, I don't necessarily believe that it was genocide--I'm unsure.

I don't see any difference between a final solution and Genocide except for one being a pro-active destruction and one being a callous and racist disregard for the hunger of a territory

A man that knows his own mind, BTW that looks like a pretty big difference to me.

When you're finished flip flopping and making outrageous comparisons I think it has to be said that we have stunk up the thread a bit with the famine/final solution stuff we should really let it get back on track, if you want to carry on a proper discussion, PM your last post and I'll take the time to properly address it via PM.

[updown9194]

I was trying to get the thread back to Claudy.  I think it deserves the discussion and not a series of erroneous and biased history lessons

Right you are GAAboard Mod, I'll accept your critique of my 'history lessons' when you engage in and with them.

[glens abu]

Just wondering how much of all this regarding Fr.Chesney is fact.If we remember 1972 it was a year when our world here was turning upside down with all sorts of rumours, speculation and dirty tricks form Special branch and the British army Intelligence unit at Holywood.Their intelligence regarding who was actually active in the IRA was badly flawed as was proved by the many lifted during internment who had no connections with the movement.There was not a week passed without lies coming from their dirty tricks department to try and discredit the Nationalist people,either through the GAA,Catholic Church,or just the community in general.So it was interesting to read in todays Irish News the chief explosives officer for the Provisionals in Derry and Donegal from 1971-1975 Shane Paul O'Doherty say he had never heard Fr.Chesneys name mentioned at any time.I would be inclined to put more faith in what he is saying than some Special Branch officer who operated out of Magherafelt in the 70's.

[supersarsfields]

stibhan, what has any of that got to do with Claudy?

Why are you asking me? Everyone else in this thread, including you, is posting off-topic because of Myles' whataboutery.

It seems to me you are one of the main culprits.  Why shouldn't I ask you?  I did the OFFTOPIC thing in mentioning Doagh Island in order to give you and others the hint

Now I am asking you straight what it has to do with Claudy

Firstly, it isn't for you to tell me what to discuss. Secondly, you know the answer to that question. You shouldn't ask me because the original tenor of the discussion was changed not by me but by Myles, whether you think I'm one of the 'main culprits' or not. I have not engaged in any kind of whataboutery in this thread but have discussed Claudy and answered those who are trying to distract the conversation away from that topic.

Why shouldn't I ask you?

Is that against the rules of the forum?  Do you think you are above reproach?  You seem to think a lot of yourself 

No harm but the same could be directed at you if you think he has to explain his posts to you!!

[updown9194]

Just wondering how much of all this regarding Fr.Chesney is fact.If we remember 1972 it was a year when our world here was turning upside down with all sorts of rumours, speculation and dirty tricks form Special branch and the British army Intelligence unit at Holywood.Their intelligence regarding who was actually active in the IRA was badly flawed as was proved by the many lifted during internment who had no connections with the movement.There was not a week passed without lies coming from their dirty tricks department to try and discredit the Nationalist people,either through the GAA,Catholic Church,or just the community in general.So it was interesting to read in todays Irish News the chief explosives officer for the Provisionals in Derry and Donegal from 1971-1975 Shane Paul O'Doherty say he had never heard Fr.Chesneys name mentioned at any time.I would be inclined to put more faith in what he is saying than some Special Branch officer who operated out of Magherafelt in the 70's.

As would I, but one of the main tragedies of this enquiry is the lack of a proper investigation of what happened. In that the police, supposedly fearing a public backlash, decided that they'd request a move for a Catholic Priest to the relevant authorities in order to prevent his arrest. On the one hand, if it was bad information that the priest was a member of the IRA then it would have been exposed; on t'other, if it wasn't, the clergy would have been a(n even more) legitimate target. Why they let him go, and the church agreed, is still clear as mud though.

[Cde]

Just wondering how much of all this regarding Fr.Chesney is fact.If we remember 1972 it was a year when our world here was turning upside down with all sorts of rumours, speculation and dirty tricks form Special branch and the British army Intelligence unit at Holywood.Their intelligence regarding who was actually active in the IRA was badly flawed as was proved by the many lifted during internment who had no connections with the movement.There was not a week passed without lies coming from their dirty tricks department to try and discredit the Nationalist people,either through the GAA,Catholic Church,or just the community in general.So it was interesting to read in todays Irish News the chief explosives officer for the Provisionals in Derry and Donegal from 1971-1975 Shane Paul O'Doherty say he had never heard Fr.Chesneys name mentioned at any time.I would be inclined to put more faith in what he is saying than some Special Branch officer who operated out of Magherafelt in the 70's.

I am inclined to agree with this glens abu, this was at a time when the brits were locking people up for nothing. I find it hard to believe they were letting provo's go who they knew were guilty

[Nally Stand]

Just wondering how much of all this regarding Fr.Chesney is fact.If we remember 1972 it was a year when our world here was turning upside down with all sorts of rumours, speculation and dirty tricks form Special branch and the British army Intelligence unit at Holywood.Their intelligence regarding who was actually active in the IRA was badly flawed as was proved by the many lifted during internment who had no connections with the movement.There was not a week passed without lies coming from their dirty tricks department to try and discredit the Nationalist people,either through the GAA,Catholic Church,or just the community in general.So it was interesting to read in todays Irish News the chief explosives officer for the Provisionals in Derry and Donegal from 1971-1975 Shane Paul O'Doherty say he had never heard Fr.Chesneys name mentioned at any time.I would be inclined to put more faith in what he is saying than some Special Branch officer who operated out of Magherafelt in the 70's.

I am inclined to agree with this glens abu, this was at a time when the brits were locking people up for nothing. I find it hard to believe they were letting provo's go who they knew were guilty

I would agree also and I thought it was notable in the Irish News on Tues(?) that Bishop Daly (hardly a big fan of the IRA) also stated that he has always doubted, and continues to doubt that Fr Chesney was involved.

[Minder]

Glens Abu and Nally Stand in agreement 

[Nally Stand]

Glens Abu and Nally Stand in agreement 

What a valuable contribution to the discussions. Thank You indeed.

[oakleafgael]

Just wondering how much of all this regarding Fr.Chesney is fact.If we remember 1972 it was a year when our world here was turning upside down with all sorts of rumours, speculation and dirty tricks form Special branch and the British army Intelligence unit at Holywood.Their intelligence regarding who was actually active in the IRA was badly flawed as was proved by the many lifted during internment who had no connections with the movement.There was not a week passed without lies coming from their dirty tricks department to try and discredit the Nationalist people,either through the GAA,Catholic Church,or just the community in general.So it was interesting to read in todays Irish News the chief explosives officer for the Provisionals in Derry and Donegal from 1971-1975 Shane Paul O'Doherty say he had never heard Fr.Chesneys name mentioned at any time.I would be inclined to put more faith in what he is saying than some Special Branch officer who operated out of Magherafelt in the 70's.

I am inclined to agree with this glens abu, this was at a time when the brits were locking people up for nothing. I find it hard to believe they were letting provo's go who they knew were guilty

I would agree also and I thought it was notable in the Irish News on Tues(?) that Bishop Daly (hardly a big fan of the IRA) also stated that he has always doubted, and continues to doubt that Fr Chesney was involved.

Im as sure as anyone can be that Fr Chesney was invloved in the Claudy bombing.