Sea The Stars - BBC Sports Personality of the the Year

[AQMP]

Cavendish also won the World Champs Road Race.

[Hoof Hearted]

Donald IMO should not get it.  I reckon it will be either McIlroy or Farah, and to be honest McIlroy probably deserves it due to the nature of the victory he had especially after the meltdown two months earlier which overshadowed the fact that he had lit up Augusta for the previous 3 rounds.  Donald, whilst being consistent, has not done it when it matters.   

a McIlroy victory would give Norn Iron back to back victories. Darren Clarke runner up would give Norn Iron back to back runners up. Cant see the english public voting for it all the same !

[Don Johnson]

Stan James' view:

Cavendish, Mark    11/10
Clarke, Darren    15/8
McIlroy, Rory    8/1
Farah, Mo    8/1
Donald, Luke    16/1
Green, Dai    33/1
Cook, Alistair    50/1
Strauss, Andrew    66/1
Murray, Andy    100/1
Khan, Amir    100/1

Frankel had a better year than most of these, personality was porbably better than some on the list too.

[Mayo4Sam]

I think Cav deserves it, fair enough the world championship was a team event and they worked hard to get it to a sprint finish but the Green jersey is savage, first Brit to win it, it's a huge achievement, I think both coupled means he deserves it

[muppet]

I think Cav deserves it, fair enough the world championship was a team event and they worked hard to get it to a sprint finish but the Green jersey is savage, first Brit to win it, it's a huge achievement, I think both coupled means he deserves it

Jebus they would faint in orgasm at the likes of Roche and Kelly then.

[Mayo4Sam]

At least Cav is clean!

[muppet]

At least Cav is clean!

Yes, yes he is.

All cyclists are.

[Tony Baloney]

Donald IMO should not get it.  I reckon it will be either McIlroy or Farah, and to be honest McIlroy probably deserves it due to the nature of the victory he had especially after the meltdown two months earlier which overshadowed the fact that he had lit up Augusta for the previous 3 rounds.  Donald, whilst being consistent, has not done it when it matters.   

Donald would argue that "it matters" when you play in every tournament and not just the Majors. Is it more of an achievement for Man City or United for example to win the Premier League over the course of several months than it is to win a one-off match? Of course it is!

[Mayo4Sam]

At least Cav is clean!

Yes, yes he is.

All cyclists are.

Muppet I thought you were above wind-up comments like that.

In fairness to Cav there's never been any questions about whether he's clean or not

[muppet]

At least Cav is clean!

Yes, yes he is.

All cyclists are.

Muppet I thought you were above wind-up comments like that.

In fairness to Cav there's never been any questions about whether he's clean or not

You made the comment as a derogatory remark regarding Kelly and Roche.

If unproven allegations are an argument then cycling as a whole is fair game. Which is probably fair enough.

[Mayo4Sam]

Well the evidence against Roche is in black and white in a rough ride.

You'd hope Kelly is the freak people say he was, a pure animal but if he wasn't Irish we'd be definitely be questioning him. I hope he wasn't, he was a real hero of mine

[nrico2006]

Donald IMO should not get it.  I reckon it will be either McIlroy or Farah, and to be honest McIlroy probably deserves it due to the nature of the victory he had especially after the meltdown two months earlier which overshadowed the fact that he had lit up Augusta for the previous 3 rounds.  Donald, whilst being consistent, has not done it when it matters.   

Donald would argue that "it matters" when you play in every tournament and not just the Majors. Is it more of an achievement for Man City or United for example to win the Premier League over the course of several months than it is to win a one-off match? Of course it is!

You cannot compare the Premier League and Golf.  Tournaments are not worthless but when it comes down to it nobody talks about the run of the mill tounraments a player has won when analysing their achievements really - in golf and tennis you are judged on how well you do at the big ones.  Donald is a number one presently, but he will be still a solid tour player with no majors this time in 5 years.  Its a bit like the situation in womens tennis where you have had Safina and Wozniaki at number 1 in the rankings but nobody seriously considers them to be the best in the game.

As for Cavendish, pretty crazy to even consider giving the award to him considering he finished something like 130th in the race.   

[screenexile]

Donald IMO should not get it.  I reckon it will be either McIlroy or Farah, and to be honest McIlroy probably deserves it due to the nature of the victory he had especially after the meltdown two months earlier which overshadowed the fact that he had lit up Augusta for the previous 3 rounds.  Donald, whilst being consistent, has not done it when it matters.   

Donald would argue that "it matters" when you play in every tournament and not just the Majors. Is it more of an achievement for Man City or United for example to win the Premier League over the course of several months than it is to win a one-off match? Of course it is!

You cannot compare the Premier League and Golf.  Tournaments are not worthless but when it comes down to it nobody talks about the run of the mill tounraments a player has won when analysing their achievements really - in golf and tennis you are judged on how well you do at the big ones.  Donald is a number one presently, but he will be still a solid tour player with no majors this time in 5 years.  Its a bit like the situation in womens tennis where you have had Safina and Wozniaki at number 1 in the rankings but nobody seriously considers them to be the best in the game.

As for Cavendish, pretty crazy to even consider giving the award to him considering he finished something like 130th in the race.  

Well that's a stupid comment for a start!

As for Donald being a 'solid tour player' well you're also having a laugh there. He is a fantastic golfer and at the age of 33 has plenty of time to get his major and I fully expect him to.

[nrico2006]

Donald IMO should not get it.  I reckon it will be either McIlroy or Farah, and to be honest McIlroy probably deserves it due to the nature of the victory he had especially after the meltdown two months earlier which overshadowed the fact that he had lit up Augusta for the previous 3 rounds.  Donald, whilst being consistent, has not done it when it matters.   

Donald would argue that "it matters" when you play in every tournament and not just the Majors. Is it more of an achievement for Man City or United for example to win the Premier League over the course of several months than it is to win a one-off match? Of course it is!

You cannot compare the Premier League and Golf.  Tournaments are not worthless but when it comes down to it nobody talks about the run of the mill tounraments a player has won when analysing their achievements really - in golf and tennis you are judged on how well you do at the big ones.  Donald is a number one presently, but he will be still a solid tour player with no majors this time in 5 years.  Its a bit like the situation in womens tennis where you have had Safina and Wozniaki at number 1 in the rankings but nobody seriously considers them to be the best in the game.

As for Cavendish, pretty crazy to even consider giving the award to him considering he finished something like 130th in the race.  

Well that's a stupid comment for a start!

As for Donald being a 'solid tour player' well you're also having a laugh there. He is a fantastic golfer and at the age of 33 has plenty of time to get his major and I fully expect him to.

He has plenty of time to get one, doesn't mean he will.  At present he is a solid tour player who is very consistent. 

Regarding Cavendish, how is that a stupid comment.  He was in a race and he finished well down the final standings.  Its a bit like awarding a man who finished 25th in a marathon race some kind of prize because he happened to bust his balls and run the 7th mile of the race quicker than anyone else.

[fitzroyalty]

Not too sure any of the golfers will get it, possibly Donald, I reckon the vote will be split between McIlroy and Clarke.