Paisley's attitude to Catholics-Some things never changed

[longrunsthefox]

Looks like Cherie was talking sh**e... too bad. might have to delete this thread now... 

You'd rather it was true?

Aye- Paisley has been lauded as someone who became a very reasonable decent man reaching out across the community. That is far from what his legacy is or what he should be remembered for... his hatred and rhetoric against Catholics caused a lot of gullible people to do terrible things... So, aye if not shaking hands with Catholics keeps us reminded of what he really stood for... good.     

[Maguire01]

Paisley's years of hate won't be forgotten because he mellowed out a bit in his latter years.

But by that logic of keeping us reminded of what people really stood for in case we forget, would it be preferable that certain people were still involved in an active IRA, just so that we wouldn't forget?

Surely it's better that Paisley does "reach out", even if it's pretty late in the day... better late than never. He wasn't the only one who took his time.

[longrunsthefox]

Paisley's years of hate won't be forgotten because he mellowed out a bit in his latter years.

But by that logic of keeping us reminded of what people really stood for in case we forget, would it be preferable that certain people were still involved in an active IRA, just so that we wouldn't forget?

Surely it's better that Paisley does "reach out", even if it's pretty late in the day... better late than never. He wasn't the only one who took his time.

Paisley caused more hatred, division and destruction during the Troubles than anyone. Often cited as the IRA's best recruiting officer. As Hardstation says absolute scum.   

[Maguire01]

Paisley's years of hate won't be forgotten because he mellowed out a bit in his latter years.

But by that logic of keeping us reminded of what people really stood for in case we forget, would it be preferable that certain people were still involved in an active IRA, just so that we wouldn't forget?

Surely it's better that Paisley does "reach out", even if it's pretty late in the day... better late than never. He wasn't the only one who took his time.

Paisley caused more hatred, division and destruction during the Troubles than anyone. Often cited as the IRA's best recruiting officer. As Hardstation says absolute scum.

That may well be (although there's hardly much point in trying to measure who was worse than who). And it's not about defending him - he did indeed stir up hatred in this country for decades. But i'd rather he changed, and maybe brought a few people with him, than continue as he was and drag another generation further into the gutter. As i've said, we're not going to forget his past just because things have moved on.

[longrunsthefox]

I don't believe he changed... his ego saw the opportunity to be the First Minister of OWC. A bad man...

[Maguire01]

I don't believe he changed... his ego saw the opportunity to be the First Minister of OWC. A bad man...

I don't disagree that his discovery of the 'Yes' word was ego-fuelled.

[Maguire01]

Paisley's years of hate won't be forgotten because he mellowed out a bit in his latter years.

But by that logic of keeping us reminded of what people really stood for in case we forget, would it be preferable that certain people were still involved in an active IRA, just so that we wouldn't forget?

Surely it's better that Paisley does "reach out", even if it's pretty late in the day... better late than never. He wasn't the only one who took his time.

Paisley caused more hatred, division and destruction during the Troubles than anyone. Often cited as the IRA's best recruiting officer. As Hardstation says absolute scum.

That may well be (although there's hardly much point in trying to measure who was worse than who). And it's not about defending him - he did indeed stir up hatred in this country for decades. But i'd rather he changed, and maybe brought a few people with him, than continue as he was and drag another generation further into the gutter. As i've said, we're not going to forget his past just because things have moved on.

Changed.......bollix! He has instilled a hatred in his followers that will last for generations. What he does in his senile years isn't worth a fcuk. He can kiss the Bishop's ring but he will always be the most bitter, hate-filled b**tard that ever walked this earth.

So you think he might as well still be up to his antics of previous decades?
Any small glimmer of progress from a dinosaur is positive surely, regardless of how little and how late.

[longrunsthefox]

Paisley's years of hate won't be forgotten because he mellowed out a bit in his latter years.

But by that logic of keeping us reminded of what people really stood for in case we forget, would it be preferable that certain people were still involved in an active IRA, just so that we wouldn't forget?

Surely it's better that Paisley does "reach out", even if it's pretty late in the day... better late than never. He wasn't the only one who took his time.

Paisley caused more hatred, division and destruction during the Troubles than anyone. Often cited as the IRA's best recruiting officer. As Hardstation says absolute scum.

That may well be (although there's hardly much point in trying to measure who was worse than who). And it's not about defending him - he did indeed stir up hatred in this country for decades. But i'd rather he changed, and maybe brought a few people with him, than continue as he was and drag another generation further into the gutter. As i've said, we're not going to forget his past just because things have moved on.

Changed.......bollix! He has instilled a hatred in his followers that will last for generations. What he does in his senile years isn't worth a fcuk. He can kiss the Bishop's ring but he will always be the most bitter, hate-filled b**tard that ever walked this earth.

So you think he might as well still be up to his antics of previous decades?
Any small glimmer of progress from a dinosaur is positive surely, regardless of how little and how late.

He is too old to be at his antics of previousy years. He is a phoney... he did everything he could to stop the peace process and then smelt the big job and went for it. The likes of Davy Ervine were more genuine in leaving their past behind... Paisley has never yet acknowleged the poisin he pumped and much of it into working class Protestants. B*****d!   

[Baile an tuaigh]

I read a book a while back called "Loyalists". Anyway to make a long story short a meeting was set up by the Loyalist leadership of how to respond to the IRA ceasefire. A letter was sent out to Paisley not to attend. But of course Paisley turned up and sat at the head of the table, he was asked to leave but refused. Some of the people in attendance had to actually physically lift Ian while still in his chair out of the room. The author asked his source why did they do this? The responce was that Loyalists in Belfast were delighted by the ceasefire and felt they had more in common with their Republican neighbors and felt enough suffering was enough. They felt it was mostly the working class suffered  and Paisley was a threat to peace.

So I'm with hardstation on this one. Paisley was even despised by many Loyalists never mind Republicans.

Funny story while were on the subject of Paisley my Aunt actually baptised Rhonda Paisley. It was custom back in the day that if a baby was sick a nurse could baptise a child. Thats how that came a bout. 

[lynchbhoy]

In fact...

is that a picture of paisley shaking hands with cherie blair?

Clearly not. Are you confused? If you read the previous post, you would know that I was questioning if he wouldn't shake hands with any Catholic.

For what it's worth, Blair's claim has been denied:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/oct/11/cherie-blair-ian-paisley

yes but why ask such a ridiculous question?
Consistency I suppose!

(ask a silly question and answer it yourself - craving attention I now think the problem is!)

[lynchbhoy]

Paisley's years of hate won't be forgotten because he mellowed out a bit in his latter years.

But by that logic of keeping us reminded of what people really stood for in case we forget, would it be preferable that certain people were still involved in an active IRA, just so that we wouldn't forget?

Surely it's better that Paisley does "reach out", even if it's pretty late in the day... better late than never. He wasn't the only one who took his time.

Paisley caused more hatred, division and destruction during the Troubles than anyone. Often cited as the IRA's best recruiting officer. As Hardstation says absolute scum.

That may well be (although there's hardly much point in trying to measure who was worse than who). And it's not about defending him - he did indeed stir up hatred in this country for decades. But i'd rather he changed, and maybe brought a few people with him, than continue as he was and drag another generation further into the gutter. As i've said, we're not going to forget his past just because things have moved on.

Changed.......bollix! He has instilled a hatred in his followers that will last for generations. What he does in his senile years isn't worth a fcuk. He can kiss the Bishop's ring but he will always be the most bitter, hate-filled b**tard that ever walked this earth.

throughout the 'war years' paisley and others like him , kept up links with Dublin and through Dublin and traversing the border with their shipping companies and other interests.
The man 'hated' dublin was his public facade, all the time hs did not give a toss, he was always more interested in money.

the first minister thing was a money/ego trip again.

Plentyof people have gone on record to say that as catholics in paisleys constituency , he treated them welland got a lot of things done for catholics/nationalists.

its a pity that his desire to keep up the facade caused so much violence.

[nifan]

I doubt hed refuse to shake Cherie Blairs hand die to being a catholic, when he has shook many others, but what does it matter. refusing to shake hands with a catholic would be well down on the list of bad things paisley has been involved with in his time.

[lynchbhoy]

I doubt hed refuse to shake Cherie Blairs hand die to being a catholic, when he has shook many others, but what does it matter. refusing to shake hands with a catholic would be well down on the list of bad things paisley has been involved with in his time.

agreed.

IF he refused to shake hands with her, its because she's a feckin eejit
though it sounds like shes another out attention seeking....does she have a book released or something?

[ziggysego]

I couldn't sit back and listen to people talk about Paisley. Going to have to choose my words carefully here.

Paisley for many years stirred up the flames of hatred within the loyalist working class communities against catholics. For me, the IRA would never had been as successful (take from that as you want) if it hadn't been for Paisley.

He took and filled his own community full of fears abour Roman rule and Protestants been left out to dry.

Any brave people that did take a hand and tried to bring their community forward, he was there to shout them down and to crush their efforts. Again, building up on his own followers and support.

Paisley didn't change because he got old and started to mellow. Once the DUP became the largest party in the north, he was in a position to be First Minister. Not Prime Minister of Northern Ireland like in the 70s, but still good enough for him.

To me, he will always be the minister that shouted No. The minister that stirred up secertian hatred. The minister who is a minister in all but name. His God was power, authority and money.

[orangeman]

I couldn't sit back and listen to people talk about Paisley. Going to have to choose my words carefully here.

Paisley for many years stirred up the flames of hatred within the loyalist working class communities against catholics. For me, the IRA would never had been as successful (take from that as you want) if it hadn't been for Paisley.

He took and filled his own community full of fears abour Roman rule and Protestants been left out to dry.

Any brave people that did take a hand and tried to bring their community forward, he was there to shout them down and to crush their efforts. Again, building up on his own followers and support.

Paisley didn't change because he got old and started to mellow. Once the DUP became the largest party in the north, he was in a position to be First Minister. Not Prime Minister of Northern Ireland like in the 70s, but still good enough for him.

To me, he will always be the minister that shouted No. The minister that stirred up secertian hatred. The minister who is a minister in all but name. His God was power, authority and money.

Power 1st and last.