UEFA Charge Eduardo for Diving !

[lynchbhoy]

Mickey Harte's praying they don't bring these sanctions into the GAA!

was actually thinking that eduardo would fit right in with mickeys manky mob ! ! !

















only joking tyronies !

[Dinny Breen]

Sanctimonious BS from UEFA. Imagine if poor Stevie G or Rooney were singled out for their dives, there be a 20 page thread by now.

If this is the start of a proper campaign I will applaud UEFA, they have to start somewhere but I won't hold my breath.

[Main Street]

So for Wenger and Wengerites
it's
Why pick on us?

For elevation of life above the boring and predictable, let's not look to Arsenal for inspiration on that one.
 

[full back]

What are the odds
Wenger
a. Applauds UEFA and will cooperate fully with UEFA in their (feeble) attempts to clean up club sanctioned cheating.
or
b. Why pick on us for exclusive scrutiny?

Doesnt look like he has chose the first one

He is one angry frog.......................

Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger has accused Uefa of conducting a "witch-hunt" after it charged Eduardo with diving in the Champions League clash with Celtic.

Striker Eduardo appeared to dive to win a penalty last Wednesday and Uefa could ban him for up to two games when its disciplinary body meets on 1 September.

"I find it a complete disgrace and unacceptable," said Wenger.

"It singles out a player to be a cheat and that is not acceptable. We will not accept the way Uefa has treated this."

If Eduardo is suspended he would miss Standard Liege away on 16 September and the home match with Olympiacos on 29 September.

And Wenger added: "I believe you can debate whether it is a penalty or not. But this charge implies there was intent and a desire to cheat the referee. Having seen again the pictures again, nothing is conclusive.

"It's a witch-hunt that we see and not an objective judgement of a case."

Wenger said the Croat may have taken evasive action in light of the career-threatening broken leg he sustained two seasons ago.


606: DEBATE
It doesn't look like a penalty, neither does it look like a dive to me

Gunner_For_Real
And the Frenchman added that European football's governing body would have difficulty proving the 26-year-old intended to deceive the referee.

"We will defend our player as far as we can because he is not being treated fairly," said Wenger.

"It's funny in football because you can break the legs of players and it doesn't make a debate for anybody.

"I'm the first to say that it doesn't look like a penalty but it's another thing to say that he went down with intent. I wish good luck in proving that having seen the pictures again."

In charging Eduardo, Wenger claimed Uefa had set off down a dangerous path whereby any decision made by an official can be contested after the match.

He said: "There is completely lack of logic in this case. Why? Because people have reacted emotionally.


"This case has been ruled by the media and emotionally by Scotland, by the Scottish FA and by Scottish people working at Uefa.

"I've fought my whole life against cheating and I've seen some obvious cases where Uefa didn't intervene. On and off the pitch things have happened where no action was taken.

"But now the existing rules of football have been changed just for one case so we will from now on challenge every single decision that is made in Europe by the referees.

"This is the first time since I've been in football that the judgement made by the referee is not accepted by the football bodies."

There appeared to be no contact between Eduardo and Celtic goalkeeper Artur Boruc but referee Manuel Gonzalez still gave a penalty midway through the first half.

After Eduardo converted the resulting spot kick, the Gunners went on to win 3-1 at the Emirates Stadium. They won 5-1 on aggregate to secure a spot in the group stages.


Scottish FA chief executive Gordon Smith has called for the Brazil-born Eduardo to be banned over Wednesday's penalty incident at the Emirates.

"Eduardo showed disrespect to the game by his actions," he said.

"We have shown courage to use retrospective punishment when it comes to simulation. I'd urge Uefa to do so.

"Since I came into post I have raised the issue of simulation time and time again - both here in Scotland and with Fifa and Uefa.

"I don't think that I have received enough support in my efforts to eradicate what I believe to be one of the most serious threats to the integrity of football.

"Last night showed exactly why we must take this issue seriously.

"Everything that can be done to stamp it out must be done. Starting right now."

Uefa president Michel Platini believes additional assistant referees behind each goal line would combat diving.

He said: "One day players will give up simulating because refs will see them. I am convinced that you have referees nearby, then you will stop this."

Celtic had travelled to the Emirates 2-0 down from the first leg in Glasgow, when Arsenal had been the better side but had scored with a deflection and an own goal.

The first goal in London, then, was likely to be crucial and Boruc was incensed when Gonzalez pointed to the spot.

"I see no reason why we cannot use technology to assist referees," said Smith.

"We need a serious debate on these issues. Everyone in football has a responsibility to set the right example to our youngsters.

"We can talk all we want about Fair Play campaigns, but taking action would be a much more powerful deterrent and would send the right message to players everywhere."

Celtic midfielder Massimo Donati is another who is keen to see Uefa use video evidence.

"If it is clear on TV, then Uefa must act and ban him," said Donati.

"I think he should get a two-match ban because it wasn't a penalty. I told him that and everyone in the Celtic team told him that."

Donati believes Eduardo should be treated the same way as Lithuania striker Saulius Mikoliunas, who was punished for diving against Scotland at Hampden Park in September 2007.

After that occasion Uefa used video evidence before giving Mikoliunas a two-match ban.

[Norf Tyrone]

What are the odds
Wenger
a. Applauds UEFA and will cooperate fully with UEFA in their (feeble) attempts to clean up club sanctioned cheating.
or
b. Why pick on us for exclusive scrutiny?

He'd be correct in doing so.  I'm not going to defend Eduardo's actions but the decision to single him out is ridiculous, how many others have been guilty of diving in recent seasons but have gone unpunished?  If UEFA had made a statement at the beginning of the season that they were implementing a crackdown on this sort of thing then fair enough, but instead they have reacted to the complaints of sore losers and the over reaction of the british media. Why would the press decide to turn Eduardo into some sort of hate figure?  Who do England play in there next game?

Dislike Arsenal, but I'd echo Larry Duff's comments 100%.

[Main Street]

Some positive outcome after Eduardo cheating, Platini makes his move.

Meanwhile, Uefa is to experiment during the group stages with having five referees per match in an attempt to combat players' diving to win penalties and to help resolve other issues.
Two extra officials will stand next to each goal, behind the dead-ball line, to spot infringements and Uefa hopes the move will mean less foul play and simulation by players.
The move is also designed to help determine whether the ball has crossed the goal-line when there is doubt.
Uefa president Michel Platini said: "One day players will give up simulating because referees will see them.
"For years players have cheated because the referees were not of a good enough quality.
"I am convinced, with the extra officials, that if you have referees close by it will prevent players from simulating and they will take the right decision.
"I have always said it is better to have more referees than a multiplication of disciplinary procedures or to refer to videos during matches."
The move comes after Arsenal's Eduardo won a penalty in Wednesday's Champions League qualifier against Celtic - even though there looked to be little contact between the striker and keeper Artur Boruc.

[GBXII]

At 1st I was gonna say how could anyone argue with the ban, but in fairness there have been some good arguments against it on here. It is unfair on him in particular but if UEFA continue the trend, which they now surely have to or else they will be ridiculed given the high publicity nature of this case, then they there can be no arguments about the ban..

[Main Street]

What are the odds
Wenger
a. Applauds UEFA and will cooperate fully with UEFA in their (feeble) attempts to clean up club sanctioned cheating.
or
b. Why pick on us for exclusive scrutiny?

He'd be correct in doing so.  I'm not going to defend Eduardo's actions but the decision to single him out is ridiculous, how many others have been guilty of diving in recent seasons but have gone unpunished?  If UEFA had made a statement at the beginning of the season that they were implementing a crackdown on this sort of thing then fair enough, but instead they have reacted to the complaints of sore losers and the over reaction of the british media. Why would the press decide to turn Eduardo into some sort of hate figure?  Who do England play in there next game?

Dislike Arsenal, but I'd echo Larry Duff's comments 100%.

Sometimes in life you reach the last straw.
It is incidental that it happened to Arsenal.
Eduardo made a mockery of the game, the ethics of sport and an affront to any decent arsenal club member.

Save me from the why us and not them nonsense.
Even a blind bat would be aware that there are cheats  elsewhere, permeating the game with the top clubs..

[Dinny Breen]

So for Wenger and Wengerites
it's
Why pick on us?

For elevation of life above the boring and predictable, let's not look to Arsenal for inspiration on that one.

Almost as predictable as your hypocrisy, you must be really pissed off with yourself

Here's a quote from the Alan O'Connor thread

I thought Spillane's ranting and raving about Mulligan supposed cheating for the second yellow incident were a disgrace.
Somehow it pees me off no end when the pundits single out a player and hammer him because they are on a mission from God in the pundits chair. In the last game some Mayo player got loudly slagged off in a very sly and vicious manner.

[The Watcher Pat]

I dont think he will ba banned...If you looked at every CL game during this week alone i'm sure you could find at least 2-3 examples where players went down to con the referee.

It's all media hype because Arsenal have to go to OT on Saturday. To put pressure on the referee.

[full back]

It's all media hype because Arsenal have to go to OT on Saturday. To put pressure on the referee.

Yep, UEFA are in on this as well

[The Watcher Pat]

Well you said it!

[deiseach]

I might have more sympathy for Wenger if he admitted Eduardo dived but demanded to know why he was being singled out. As it is, he's saying Eduardo didn't dive or that he didn't do it deliberately which is nonsense.

[Main Street]

So for Wenger and Wengerites
it's
Why pick on us?

For elevation of life above the boring and predictable, let's not look to Arsenal for inspiration on that one.

Almost as predictable as your hypocrisy, you must be really pissed off with yourself

Here's a quote from the Alan O'Connor thread

I thought Spillane's ranting and raving about Mulligan supposed cheating for the second yellow incident were a disgrace.
Somehow it pees me off no end when the pundits single out a player and hammer him because they are on a mission from God in the pundits chair. In the last game some Mayo player got loudly slagged off in a very sly and vicious manner.

You are completly off your rocking horse Dinny.

Firstly Mulligan was loudly and quite wrongly accused by Spillane of diving/cheating when the Cork player made contact with him, which got him sent off.
Secondly the Mayo player I was referring to, was loudly slagged in a personal sly way by Spillane for not performing after he came on as a sub.

What possible connection has the ethos of GAA sport got to do with Eduardo cheating?
What possible contradiction does my opinion on Spillane have with anything i have written on this thread?
What has it to with efforts to sanction such cheats, as was perfectly demonstrated by Eduardo, and squash it out of the game as it is played at this level.

[Eastern_Pride]

So for Wenger and Wengerites
it's
Why pick on us?

For elevation of life above the boring and predictable, let's not look to Arsenal for inspiration on that one.

Almost as predictable as your hypocrisy, you must be really pissed off with yourself

Here's a quote from the Alan O'Connor thread

I thought Spillane's ranting and raving about Mulligan supposed cheating for the second yellow incident were a disgrace.
Somehow it pees me off no end when the pundits single out a player and hammer him because they are on a mission from God in the pundits chair. In the last game some Mayo player got loudly slagged off in a very sly and vicious manner.

You are completly off your rocking horse Dinny.

Firstly Mulligan was loudly and quite wrongly accused by Spillane of diving/cheating when the Cork player made contact with him, which got him sent off.
Secondly the Mayo player I was referring to, was loudly slagged in a personal sly way by Spillane for not performing after he came on as a sub.

What possible connection has the ethos of GAA sport got to do with Eduardo cheating?
What possible contradiction does my opinion on Spillane have with anything i have written on this thread?
What has it to with efforts to sanction such cheats, as was perfectly demonstrated by Eduardo, and squash it out of the game as it is played at this level.

Quite right you cannot bring another sport into this it has got nothing to do with it. Different laws, different structures.
On the eduardo case, I think he was more antcipating contact and made he most of it, but was also terrified that Boruc may make contact with his leg. What he did was wrong but is nothing compared to a similar case a few years back of Alberto Gilardino for AC Milan, which he wasn't disciplined for, albeit not getting a penalty for it, but still attempting to deceive the officials.(against Celtic as well no less.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W00d3yJKl4