The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread

[illdecide]

Both sides of the argument have their own truths and i for one did say that next year is when he should be judged but it is not acceptable to be 10pts behind the Huns and i believe that if Rangers were to beat us again this season or that gap gets any bigger then the board will have to let him go. I don't believe we can win the title but i fully expect that gap to be down to 3-4 pts come the end of the season and Celtic playing 100% better than they are at the minute, if that is the case then Mugga (just testing ya Tony) should be given next season to win back the league but as i stated if it gets worse then he'll have to be sacked

[lynchbhoy]

strachan was humiliated by his own tactics time and again with celtic in europe and in spl.
that he won the league when rangers were in complete turmoil with the MON ethic and some of the MON players is no big feat.
now rangers are far mr organised under smith and while rubbish on paper, are doing it week in week out.
the only diff is that when the two teams meet, Celtic dont look second best like they did under strachan.
I dont care what the football style looks like, I prefer a winning team - the football was never great under MON, was worse under strachan, but at least MON's teams werew consistent.
strachans like mowbrays are not consistent, though moggas side perform worse against the lower teams and better against rangers - complete contrast to strachans.
plenty of fellas won league medals which doesnt make them any use (sure caldwell even won poty - but several rangers players also did when it wasnt merited).
personal opinion that a lot of tthese were not good enough, but common consensus that a lot were rubbish too (wilson, caldwell etc)
Mowbray inherited a team that was in huge decline, that were split in the dressing room. Its not easy trying to pick up the mess that strachan left.
Mowbray still has it all to prove - if he doesnt have a good start to next season then he will have had his chance and then should be gone.
strachan shoul dhave been sacked after each of the seasons where he allowed Celtic to surrender large leads to rangers and hand them over the title.

I know I'd much rather inherit a team after MON than strachan, and it has been proven that after MON leaves a club, it does well for at least one season before fallinbg apart if the manager doesnt stamp his own mark on it.

Celtic havent been humiliated by rangers this season unlike almost each game under strachans tenure.

brown and calderwood have not had to get rid of substandard players like mogga had to. In fact motherwells were a good side under mcGhee and his legacy - players- are still there so its no surprise.

[Club Rossa]

I reckon Celtic should fire Mowbray with immediate effect and install T Fearon and Lynchboy until the end of the season.

[T Fearon]

Steady on, Mowbray's Celtic have only played Rangers twice and manged to lose one and humiliate Rangers in the second one yet still only draw the game.

The only real humiliation Celtic suffered against Rangers in Strachan's time was the very first time he met them in 2005 and at the start of last season, through errors more than anything else.

There was also the two back to back victories over Rangers in the must win games in the Spring of 2008 and last year's New Year's win at Ibrox and the CIS Cup Final. Strachan more tha held his own against Rangers, during the reign of Mc Leish, Le Guen and Smith. Funny the amount of players willing to joi him at Middlesbro if there was such dissention in the dressing room

I don't think Mowbray could win the SPL with the current Man Utd squad at his disposal. He is tactically naive, unable to motivate and inspire and is thoroughly lightweight in terms of football management overall. As I've said before he is ideally suited to the likes of WBA, Hibs etc but way out of his depth wth a big club with huge expectations

I don't expect Celtic to beat Dundee Utd this Saturday or Rangers the following week and I fear we'll leave Ibrox with our tails between our legs amid the Huns title winning celebrations.

However all this would be worth enduring if its brings the curtain down on the reign of Celtic's worst manager since Barnes.

[illdecide]

Steady on, Mowbray's Celtic have only played Rangers twice and manged to lose one and humiliate Rangers in the second one yet still only draw the game.

The only real humiliation Celtic suffered against Rangers in Strachan's time was the very first time he met them in 2005 and at the start of last season, through errors more than anything else.

There was also the two back to back victories over Rangers in the must win games in the Spring of 2008 and last year's New Year's win at Ibrox and the CIS Cup Final. Strachan more tha held his own against Rangers, during the reign of Mc Leish, Le Guen and Smith. Funny the amount of players willing to joi him at Middlesbro if there was such dissention in the dressing room

I don't think Mowbray could win the SPL with the current Man Utd squad at his disposal. He is tactically naive, unable to motivate and inspire and is thoroughly lightweight in terms of football management overall. As I've said before he is ideally suited to the likes of WBA, Hibs etc but way out of his depth wth a big club with huge expectations

I don't expect Celtic to beat Dundee Utd this Saturday or Rangers the following week and I fear we'll leave Ibrox with our tails between our legs amid the Huns title winning celebrations.

However all this would be worth enduring if its brings the curtain down on the reign of Celtic's worst manager since Barnes.

thats twice

[Lamh Dhearg Alba]

John thmpson right now is no worse than mcmanus at his best - at least Thompson is a centre half that will improve.

JoshThompson. He might well go on to be a good player but there is no way he is currently as good as McManus. Fact is when he signed it wasnt envisaged he would play in the first team for some time. Nor was his rapid promotion down to him excelling particularly in the under 19 games but rather to Mowbray being down to the bare bones.

Should be noted too that it wasnt really a case of Craig Brown inheriting Mark McGhee's players at Motherwell, McGhee left because a number of his men were moving on. Only 3 players in the Motherwell team from the weekend were signed by McGhee. A lot of that team were signed by Jim Gannon who did well initially but proved to be a terrible man manager with an unhappy dressing room. Brown put the ship back on course.

[take_yer_points]

Steady on, Mowbray's Celtic have only played Rangers twice and manged to lose one and humiliate Rangers in the second one yet still only draw the game.

The only real humiliation Celtic suffered against Rangers in Strachan's time was the very first time he met them in 2005 and at the start of last season, through errors more than anything else.

There was also the two back to back victories over Rangers in the must win games in the Spring of 2008 and last year's New Year's win at Ibrox and the CIS Cup Final. Strachan more tha held his own against Rangers, during the reign of Mc Leish, Le Guen and Smith. Funny the amount of players willing to joi him at Middlesbro if there was such dissention in the dressing room

I don't think Mowbray could win the SPL with the current Man Utd squad at his disposal. He is tactically naive, unable to motivate and inspire and is thoroughly lightweight in terms of football management overall. As I've said before he is ideally suited to the likes of WBA, Hibs etc but way out of his depth wth a big club with huge expectations

I don't expect Celtic to beat Dundee Utd this Saturday or Rangers the following week and I fear we'll leave Ibrox with our tails between our legs amid the Huns title winning celebrations.

However all this would be worth enduring if its brings the curtain down on the reign of Celtic's worst manager since Barnes.

How does his record measure up to Barnes' record? Is he better or worse thus far?

[JohnDenver]

Steady on, Mowbray's Celtic have only played Rangers twice and manged to lose one and humiliate Rangers in the second one yet still only draw the game.

The only real humiliation Celtic suffered against Rangers in Strachan's time was the very first time he met them in 2005 and at the start of last season, through errors more than anything else.

There was also the two back to back victories over Rangers in the must win games in the Spring of 2008 and last year's New Year's win at Ibrox and the CIS Cup Final. Strachan more tha held his own against Rangers, during the reign of Mc Leish, Le Guen and Smith. Funny the amount of players willing to joi him at Middlesbro if there was such dissention in the dressing room

I don't think Mowbray could win the SPL with the current Man Utd squad at his disposal. He is tactically naive, unable to motivate and inspire and is thoroughly lightweight in terms of football management overall. As I've said before he is ideally suited to the likes of WBA, Hibs etc but way out of his depth wth a big club with huge expectations

I don't expect Celtic to beat Dundee Utd this Saturday or Rangers the following week and I fear we'll leave Ibrox with our tails between our legs amid the Huns title winning celebrations.

However all this would be worth enduring if its brings the curtain down on the reign of Celtic's worst manager since Barnes.

How does his record measure up to Barnes' record? Is he better or worse thus far?

Think i read in the paper that his average SPL points is worse than Barnes record at present.  Take out of that what you want but id still be in favour of giving him a fair crack at the whip next season, no excuses after that.

[T Fearon]

We can't afford to wait. This whole era should have been another nine in a row opportunity and Celtic's financial superiority over Rangers utilised to maximum effect as it was when the roles were reversed, from 1988 to 1997 at Ibrox.

Persisting with a guy who is plainly not up to the task is sheer stupidity. He already has had longer then Le Guen got at Ibrox, and Le Guen was certainly no worse than Mowbray

[lynchbhoy]

Steady on, Mowbray's Celtic have only played Rangers twice and manged to lose one and humiliate Rangers in the second one yet still only draw the game.
The only real humiliation Celtic suffered against Rangers in Strachan's time was the very first time he met them in 2005 and at the start of last season, through errors more than anything else.
There was also the two back to back victories over Rangers in the must win games in the Spring of 2008 and last year's New Year's win at Ibrox and the CIS Cup Final. Strachan more tha held his own against Rangers, during the reign of Mc Leish, Le Guen and Smith. Funny the amount of players willing to joi him at Middlesbro if there was such dissention in the dressing room
I don't think Mowbray could win the SPL with the current Man Utd squad at his disposal. He is tactically naive, unable to motivate and inspire and is thoroughly lightweight in terms of football management overall. As I've said before he is ideally suited to the likes of WBA, Hibs etc but way out of his depth wth a big club with huge expectations
I don't expect Celtic to beat Dundee Utd this Saturday or Rangers the following week and I fear we'll leave Ibrox with our tails between our legs amid the Huns title winning celebrations.
However all this would be worth enduring if its brings the curtain down on the reign of Celtic's worst manager since Barnes.

we obv have diff opinions on this.
the pets wanted to join strachan at boro - apart from robson, they are no loss.
strachan was tactically naive throughout his reign at Celtic. most games v rangers, artmedia bratislavia, shakthar, milan when the game was there for a draw or win etc.
strachan profited when rangers were in managerial turmoil, mcleish had been frazzled by MON, leguen never got going and smith in his first year had not settled (a bit like mowbray now).
Smith since then fecked strachan every other time.

maybe mowbray will be as bad as barnes, right now hes as bad as strachan. If he gets worse then he should be sacked. However strachan lasted the course so mogga should be given the same flexibility that strachan was very generously afforded (should have been sacked after the first week when beaten 5-2 by artmedia and drew 4-4 with a terrible mtherwell side)

[lynchbhoy]

JoshThompson. He might well go on to be a good player but there is no way he is currently as good as McManus. Fact is when he signed it wasnt envisaged he would play in the first team for some time. Nor was his rapid promotion down to him excelling particularly in the under 19 games but rather to Mowbray being down to the bare bones.

Should be noted too that it wasnt really a case of Craig Brown inheriting Mark McGhee's players at Motherwell, McGhee left because a number of his men were moving on. Only 3 players in the Motherwell team from the weekend were signed by McGhee. A lot of that team were signed by Jim Gannon who did well initially but proved to be a terrible man manager with an unhappy dressing room. Brown put the ship back on course.

LDA - a lot of Celtic fans like mcmanus, but Josh Thompson (pressed into action bec of inj to others) is as good right now as the one sided and error prone mcmanus. Never a centre half and I have said that from the first time I saw him.

...motherwell team under Gannon were decent until his personality clash fecked them up - so it just took a better personality to put that right. the structures were there from McGhees tenure. OK Gannon signed a lot of players in but some of mcghees still remain.

strachan had a similar effect on all Celtics players (esp McGeady) which I blame mowbray for not acting sooner to rid the dressing room of some bad eggs (though seemingly gone now)

[lynchbhoy]

We can't afford to wait. This whole era should have been another nine in a row opportunity and Celtic's financial superiority over Rangers utilised to maximum effect as it was when the roles were reversed, from 1988 to 1997 at Ibrox.

Persisting with a guy who is plainly not up to the task is sheer stupidity. He already has had longer then Le Guen got at Ibrox, and Le Guen was certainly no worse than Mowbray

the financial superiority had not positive effect for Celtic last season did it ??
at least compare like with like !!

[Gaoth Dobhair Abu]

Lads you are trying to compare apples with oranges: Mowbray-Barnes-WGS-MON. Each man had different circumstances and conditions which would have had major effects on his teams performances.

I mean WGS was only the 3rd ever Celtic manager to win 3 in  a row, does anyone on the face of this planet even think that he could tie Jock Steins boots, let alone be compared to him?!!

[tintin25]

Lads, heading over to watch the hoops this wkend for the first time.  Planning on heading out on the fri/sat night.  Anywhere you would recommend? Good drinking spots before the game? Cheers

[lynchbhoy]

Lads, heading over to watch the hoops this wkend for the first time.  Planning on heading out on the fri/sat night.  Anywhere you would recommend? Good drinking spots before the game? Cheers

for aCeltic night nout- anywhere in the gallowgate/barrowlands area - Bairds bar being a must.

However if its a night out with decent bars and chasing girls, maybe the bars around the merchant city area (near glasgow cross) were always a bit better.
I'd say more upmarket which sounds 'posh' but the lower levels of some bars in glasgow starts from way down the food chain, so youd want a better area/better class of pub if you are to enjoy yourseves.
West end of glasgow is also posher and full of decent bars and students/yuppies/young professionals
or you could try the celtic members bar past Celtic park out London rd. A celtic spot, cheap drink and used tohave a pool table. No weemin ther though.
You just have to sign in and 'become' a member on the spot.

Hate to say it but so many of the Glasgow bars and Celtic bars are rough spots.
Also avoid the louden tavern !