The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread

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ned

Quote from: T Fearon on May 22, 2016, 11:50:37 AM
Agreed.But no need or justification for any euphoria yet.The guy would have taken the Swansea job again ahead of Celtic if he had been offered it

Not sure that is true, unless you have inside info. Which would you prefer? Aiming for top ten in EPL and possible European place with the backing of 50-60 thousand Swanseans OR less money to manage an iconic and world known club, possible CL competition every year, adulation of hundreds of thousands of Celts and the chance of winning a few trophies. BR is a self made man. Not everbody is motivated solely by money.
Calculated risk for us and him. If he gets it right he will enhance his reputation and as he is a young man has plenty of time to scratchthe EPL itch again should the desire take him. However, I see him managing a biggish European team outside of the UK eventually. Only job I would see him taking in England (if he is successful elsewhere)  is Chelsea.

T Fearon

He had three years at a reasonably big English Premiership club and failed miserably.

rrhf

With His experience he can do the Celtic job in his sleep

Estimator

Quote from: ned on May 21, 2016, 10:55:03 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on May 21, 2016, 09:41:36 PM
Reasons why I'm sceptical about £45k a week (and a rumoured £15 m transfer chest ) Rodgers are:

1.3 years and won nothing with Liverpool and lost the league title from practically an unassailable position.

2.Presided over  a 6-1 defeat by Stoke City, yes that's Stoke City.

3.I was at Old Trafford in December 2014 to witness an abject Liverpool team lose 3 nil to LVG's Man Utd.

4 Won one match out of four in his only Champions League involvement against mighty Basle and Ludogorets.

5 Progressed no further than round 32 of the Europa League.

Just because you come from Co Antrim and managed Liverpool without success does not make you a good manager and certainly does not merit a £45k weekly salary..

That 6-1 game was at the end of the season. Tools had been downed. Had Liverpool closer to the title than they y had been for a long time. Losing 3-0 to Man U isnt great but isolated results are not very helpful in analysing his credentials. His European performances leave a bit to be desired. However, I am hopeful he has learned lessons.
Certainly prefer BR to Moyes. Beyond those two I think any other appointment is a step down. Didn't want another RD.
Was it Mickey O'Neill you wanted TF?  Wouldn't have minded him but I feel Rodgers is a notch or two above.
Poch presided over a 5-1 defeat against Newcastle, yes Relegated Newcastle!
I'm sure your opinion of him isn't the same.
Ulster League Champions 2009

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For all Rodgers ineptitude he has approx 6 years premiership experience and the same at least in the championship.  As RRHF points out, albeit in a perhaps different way,  managing Celtic should be relatively less challenging to his previous assignments.  His gung-ho attacking style will be well received by the Celtic fans but like his predecessor, his European naivety is likely to be his shortcoming.

T Fearon

Yes,but does he justify a £45k salary and a £15m transfer fund.His record in the transfer market is nothing to write home about either.I do not see any passion from him,he strikes me as conservative and a bit morose.I do not see what all the hysteria is about.

imtommygunn

45k... I assume you're missing a 0?

foxcommander

I'd think that he's been recruited to get celtic to the 10 in row. Don't think celtic fans will care about anything else if they hit that milestone.
They couldn't trust Delia to get them across the line as he's been shown up by rangers in the cup and can't afford a repeat in the league, especially since it's no longer a one horse race.
Every second of the day there's a Democrat telling a lie

T Fearon

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Sorry I should have said £45k is his weekly salary.Interesting article in the Scottish Press today.Apparently Dermot Desmond felt humiliated at Hampden by the gloating of Rangers Directors after the recent Scottish Cup Semi Final,and felt he was shown no respect.He sat down with Lawwell and number crunched and reckoned the boat could be pushed out.So Rangers are responsible for Rodgers being manager at Celtic now!

T Fearon

Rodgers will not be there for 10 in a row.Thats why he has a one year rolling contract.He's there to qualify for Champions League Group stages.His real aspiration is a return to the English Premiership.

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How Rangers directors' antics led Celtic to Brendan Rodgers

ANDREW SMITH

It might be no surprise that the catalyst for Celtic's recruitment of Brendan Rodgers was Rangers. The unexpected element is how the impetus was formed. It was the Scottish Cup semi-final between the two Glasgow clubs last month that convinced Celtic's largest shareholder, Dermot Desmond, that the upscaling – which was always planned – had to "go large". The antics of the Rangers directors that day as they celebrated the penalty shoot-out win over Celtic is understood to have had a profound effect on Desmond.

The Irish billionaire was said to be furious that the normal etiquette rules were not respected as he sat in the vicinity of his Rangers counterparts at Hampden in the section set aside for dignitaries. Warm applause and happy smiles were cast aside for behaviour that, according to one insider, "made you think they were in the Rangers end".

What he considered a classless display was in contrast to the classy display from the Ibrox team which confirmed that the deficiencies in the Ronny Deila set-up demanded remedial action.

Desmond's exasperation could have been, in part, a sense of feeling betrayed. Whatever a certain section of the Celtic support may believe, his fascination with his "emotional investment" of 22 years ago extends to his poring over club forums. Within these his name is mud because of an interview he gave months after Rangers were required to start again in the fourth tier following the 2012 liquidation.

In that he spoke of the Ibrox institution "as a fantastic club with a great history", of being "disappointed" they did not share the same league set-up as Celtic, and of how he was sure it wouldn't "be long" before they were doing so. An assessment perfectly in line with how clubs across the world that take the name and form of liquidated forbears are understood to assume the former's lineage, it ran contrary to the Celtic supporter stance that Rangers post-2012 are a new club with no history beyond four years ago.

The respect, at reputational cost among his own supporters, then shown by the Celtic kingmaker for a great rival then suffering was, in his eyes, thrown back in his face at Hampden six weeks ago. Putting Rangers in their place became then entwined with the pursuit of "a great manager" for his own "great club".

Desmond, in consort with chief executive Peter Lawwell, crunched the numbers and recognised that a Martin O'Neill-style appointment was doable.

Without a direct domestic competitor with even a fraction of their resources since 2012, the intention was that the club should build over the period, and that had been achieved. In addition, commercial deals overseen by Lawwell had helped afford a financial latitude.

Along with the inevitable uptake in season ticket sales, all these elements not only made it affordable to get a "box office" draw to helm the team – and in the process repair the disconnect that had opened up with the club's following in recent years over largely joyless domestic success and Champions League failure.

With the new enthusiasm and season-ticket purchasing this would spark among the support, it would be self-sustaining – the model that Desmond prides himself on being a key strategist within.

The stars then aligned in the ability to entice Rodgers. The Irishman found the proposition intriguing from the get-go, partly owing to his background knowledge of Celtic's reach. The concerns he had over the post were equally obvious: operating in a backwater with limited funds. Yet, with a wage package that made for a £2m-plus take home and a £15m transfer budget, Celtic could sell themselves as an English Championship style possible. Rodgers wanted to consider his options. If within those, an English Premier League team had fluttered their eyelashes then the proposition would have proved irresistible.

However, this is an unusually settled summer as far as vacancies in English football's land of lucre are concerned. The one notable exception is Everton... where, for all the Merseyside cross-ties, last year's Liverpool manager is hardly a viable candidate.

Rodgers and Celtic then were made for each other in this moment. The 43-year-old had to decide, two years on from being England's manager of the year, if he wanted to be a Championship manager or, with a fair wind behind him he is confident he can generate, a Champions League manager, a domain into which he can take Celtic but which his Anfield successor Jurgen Klopp could not claim for his old club.

The final twist in this tale belongs to Desmond. It also comes from that much-regurgitated interview of 2012. "Rangers are one of the great clubs in Britain and we have to acknowledge that," he said. "They are a motivation for us to go along and beat them in every Old Firm match, so we miss that opportunity."

In Rodgers, Celtic have not missed an opportunity to remind of their reach in Britain and how out of that reach they intend to remain for Rangers


http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/celtic/how-rangers-directors-antics-led-celtic-to-brendan-rodgers-1-4134642
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ned

Quote from: T Fearon on May 22, 2016, 07:53:05 PM
Rodgers will not be there for 10 in a row.Thats why he has a one year rolling contract.He's there to qualify for Champions League Group stages.His real aspiration is a return to the English Premiership.

TF, from your postings I am well aware of your credentials as a Celtic fan, however, I just don't get your negativity.
For a start every Celtic manager, as you will be well aware, in recent past going back to MON has had that same type of rolling contract. Suits us as much as it does Rodgers, if not more so especially if he is going to be the flop you think he is. Are you being deliberately contrary?
Not sure why you think he will be so quick to want back to the EPL. Do you have inside info? Otherwise that doesn't make sense as he will be fully aware that a number of posts will be opening up in the nearish future for varied reasons.
He is here now, can't you give him a chance before the hatchet job?

Il Bomber Destro

Quote from: ned on May 22, 2016, 09:55:21 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on May 22, 2016, 07:53:05 PM
Rodgers will not be there for 10 in a row.Thats why he has a one year rolling contract.He's there to qualify for Champions League Group stages.His real aspiration is a return to the English Premiership.

TF, from your postings I am well aware of your credentials as a Celtic fan, however, I just don't get your negativity.
For a start every Celtic manager, as you will be well aware, in recent past going back to MON has had that same type of rolling contract. Suits us as much as it does Rodgers, if not more so especially if he is going to be the flop you think he is. Are you being deliberately contrary?
Not sure why you think he will be so quick to want back to the EPL. Do you have inside info? Otherwise that doesn't make sense as he will be fully aware that a number of posts will be opening up in the nearish future for varied reasons.
He is here now, can't you give him a chance before the hatchet job?

Tony is a glass half full sort of a guy.

yellowcard

Any word on Jimmys winning matches, is he remaining as part of Rodgers back room team or where exactly is he going with this whole soccer career experiment.