The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread

[straightred]

I don't understand Celtic supporters who claim this is a different Rangers.If that's the case why was the Celtic end jam packed yesterday? Wouldn't have been if they were playing Dundee Utd,Inverness etc

It's simple really. The old club were liquidated after they left a trail of debt and destruction behind them. They tried every trick in the book to avoid liquidation as they knew it meant the end regarding history. A new club was then setup and they were allowed to start at near the bottom league  (but not the actual bottom league). This new club then decided to rename themselves back to Rangers and expected everyone not to notice. Some players (Naismith being probably the best example) walked away from their contracts as the new club had no hold over them in terms of a contract. Since this they have been in denial to the whole affair. You'd swear to listen to them that Craig White never existed.


As for the Celtics woes ? Delia should have been chased long ago. Not up to it and never was.

Finally, regarding the attendance. The Celtic end would have bene full yesterday regardless of the opposition. That's part of the problem, i.e. they are too loyal.

[charlieTully]

Just heard they were beat today - slap it up them and all from here who think they are associated with them. 

why?

[AZOffaly]

I don't understand Celtic supporters who claim this is a different Rangers.If that's the case why was the Celtic end jam packed yesterday? Wouldn't have been if they were playing Dundee Utd,Inverness etc

It's simple really. The old club were liquidated after they left a trail of debt and destruction behind them. They tried every trick in the book to avoid liquidation as they knew it meant the end regarding history. A new club was then setup and they were allowed to start at near the bottom league  (but not the actual bottom league). This new club then decided to rename themselves back to Rangers and expected everyone not to notice. Some players (Naismith being probably the best example) walked away from their contracts as the new club had no hold over them in terms of a contract. Since this they have been in denial to the whole affair. You'd swear to listen to them that Craig White never existed.


As for the Celtics woes ? Delia should have been chased long ago. Not up to it and never was.

Finally, regarding the attendance. The Celtic end would have bene full yesterday regardless of the opposition. That's part of the problem, i.e. they are too loyal.

Their only crime is loyalty?

[T Fearon]

That's not accurate. The stadim has been barely 1/3 full this season, for a lot of games,as supporters have deserted in their droves.

I understand the legal reasons why Rangers are still Rangers, what I don't understand is why many Celtic fans claim they are a new club (I get they want to wind up the Rangers support ok), but the same Celtic supporters treated yesterday's game very much like the Old Firm Derby, as it always has been, as if nothing had happened at all to Rangers.

I repeat if Celtic had been facing Hibs, Inverness, Dundee Utd or anyone else yesterday, the Celtic end would not have been nearly full even.

Also Ronny Deila is the manager because no one else wanted the job. At last year's AGM, the accounts revealed the club has about £4m in the Bank. With no other significant revenue streams available, that's not going to attract the likes of Guardiola, Mourinho or allow them to buy the kind of players they are accustomed to buying

[StGallsGAA]

As embarrassing as that result was for Celtic, its not half as much as Rangers winning the title next season would be.  Unless they get shot of Delia quickly, that's a very possible scenario.

[passedit]

I understand the legal reasons why Rangers are still Rangers,

I don't. Enlighten me.

[lenny]

That's not accurate. The stadim has been barely 1/3 full this season, for a lot of games,as supporters have deserted in their droves.

I understand the legal reasons why Rangers are still Rangers, what I don't understand is why many Celtic fans claim they are a new club (I get they want to wind up the Rangers support ok), but the same Celtic supporters treated yesterday's game very much like the Old Firm Derby, as it always has been, as if nothing had happened at all to Rangers.

I repeat if Celtic had been facing Hibs, Inverness, Dundee Utd or anyone else yesterday, the Celtic end would not have been nearly full even.

Also Ronny Deila is the manager because no one else wanted the job. At last year's AGM, the accounts revealed the club has about £4m in the Bank. With no other significant revenue streams available, that's not going to attract the likes of Guardiola, Mourinho or allow them to buy the kind of players they are accustomed to buying

Rangers are a new club. That is why players who were on long contracts with the old rangers were allowed to leave for nothing as their contracts became null and void as the old club no longer existed. If it was the same club they would have demanded fees for several players who left for nothing. Celtic fans are realistic enough to know that we're not going to get guardiola or mourinho and we also dont get the ridiculous tv money the epl teams get so we cant attract big name players. We do however have a stronger squad than sevco but deila has proven time and time again that he is not up to the job. Its not unreasonable for us to get a manager like david moyes or malky mckay who would both be decent options for us at this stage.

[T Fearon]

I agree.But will Moyes take the job? I doubt it.There are no easy fixes or solutions.Deila did ok in his first year with the likes of Guidetti,Denayer etc but that quality has not been replaced.

[lenny]

I agree.But will Moyes take the job? I doubt it.There are no easy fixes or solutions.Deila did ok in his first year with the likes of Guidetti,Denayer etc but that quality has not been replaced.

He did ok in the league but was very weak tactically in Europe against teams we should have been beating. Moyes may or may not take the job but if he doesn't we should be able to get someone of that type of standing in the game.

[tonto1888]

As embarrassing as that result was for Celtic, its not half as much as Rangers winning the title next season would be.  Unless they get shot of Delia quickly, that's a very possible scenario.

Sadly this is correct. Yesterday's result did not come as that much of a surprise to me. If anyone has watched us this season they'd know we are vulnerable and haven't played well. We crumble at hampden time and time again also and regardless if wether they are a new team or not I don't think we've beaten the ibrox team in a cup semifinal since 1925

[Main Street]

As embarrassing as that result was for Celtic, its not half as much as Rangers winning the title next season would be.  Unless they get shot of Delia quickly, that's a very possible scenario.

Sadly this is correct. Yesterday's result did not come as that much of a surprise to me. If anyone has watched us this season they'd know we are vulnerable and haven't played well. We crumble at hampden time and time again also and regardless if wether they are a new team or not I don't think we've beaten the ibrox team in a cup semifinal since 1925

You have a good memory, considering.

[tonto1888]

As embarrassing as that result was for Celtic, its not half as much as Rangers winning the title next season would be.  Unless they get shot of Delia quickly, that's a very possible scenario.

Sadly this is correct. Yesterday's result did not come as that much of a surprise to me. If anyone has watched us this season they'd know we are vulnerable and haven't played well. We crumble at hampden time and time again also and regardless if wether they are a new team or not I don't think we've beaten the ibrox team in a cup semifinal since 1925

You have a good memory, considering.

Haha. I think it was only mentioned about 458 times in the build up

[T Fearon]

Simple fact is a young hungry team yesterday outfought a relatively ageing team,most of whom are well decorated in terms of medals etc.No coincidence that teenagers like Tierney,and Roberts (the glaring miss aside) were Celtic's top performers.

With no money relatively speaking,a relatively unattractive domestic league it is hard to see a top manager with a track record being persuaded.Moyes will take the first job he's offered in England anyway.

You're probably looking at a celebrity name like Roy Keane,who will not have the temperament to withstand the inevitable scrutiny and flak visited upon Old Firm managers and players.

[ashman]

The scrape at Belfast airport on the Indo is funny.

[straightred]

That's not accurate. The stadim has been barely 1/3 full this season, for a lot of games,as supporters have deserted in their droves.

I understand the legal reasons why Rangers are still Rangers, what I don't understand is why many Celtic fans claim they are a new club (I get they want to wind up the Rangers support ok), but the same Celtic supporters treated yesterday's game very much like the Old Firm Derby, as it always has been, as if nothing had happened at all to Rangers.

I repeat if Celtic had been facing Hibs, Inverness, Dundee Utd or anyone else yesterday, the Celtic end would not have been nearly full even.

Also Ronny Deila is the manager because no one else wanted the job. At last year's AGM, the accounts revealed the club has about £4m in the Bank. With no other significant revenue streams available, that's not going to attract the likes of Guardiola, Mourinho or allow them to buy the kind of players they are accustomed to buying

You can repeat away all you want but yesterday was a cup semi final and they would have sold their allocation if they were playing anyone. League games are different. I didn't treat yesterday like an old firm game. Old firm games are a thing of the past - its a Glasgow derby in my mind now and always will be. They burned almost 300 creditors including the kids face painter. If they want to claim they are the same club let them pay their debts. I could digress to cheating their way to titles using illegal scams as well. Their list of offences is pretty much endless.

As for Delia point taken but there simply has to be better out there available. Change is badly needed.